Re: [RBW] Bertoud Bag & Decaleur Installation Update

[Ron Mc]

I'm going to say again, all you need is two leather washers to solve the 
loosening M5 issue on the ends of the decaleur mount.  
several thousand miles on these without the need to retighten

 
 
 
  

I also replaced the safety pin with a spring cotter pin I made 


  

We need to get Jan to buy 100 of these for $9 plus shipping from 
McMaster http://www.mcmaster.com/#cotter-pins/=xbikf5  

3/64" is the correct wire diameter





On Saturday, May 23, 2015 at 11:27:49 PM UTC-5, LeeC wrote:
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> Regarding the white elastic loops on the Berthoud bags, you're right, they 
> are a bit too big. But with non-bulky loads, all you need to do is thread 
> one end of the loop through the main loop and everything cinches up just 
> right. It'll take a ride to get used to doing this while in motion. 
>
> Here are a couple pics to demonstrate:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/flickr_lee/17357997952/in/dateposted-public/
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/flickr_lee/17173701249/in/dateposted-public/
>
> Best,
> Lee
> SF, CA
>
> On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Michael Hechmer  > wrote:
>
>> I finally got the new Bertoud bag and decaleur installed, and tested on 
>> my Ram.  Thanks again to all who offered so much good advice.  In case not 
>> everyone is riding for the whole weekend I want to share a few of my first 
>> impressions.
>>
>> I have a small Acorn Bag Rondinee bag and considered buying the larger 
>> version but bought the Bertoud after three failures to win the Acorn 
>> lottery.  (Hard to win from EST).  Each of these bags has plusses and 
>> minuses.  Bertoud has a slight edge on looks and Acorn on functionality.
>>
>> Pluses.  The leather trim on the Bertoud looks very nice; the large bag 
>> is a perfect fit on my 62 cm Ram; the stiffener, along with the added ridge 
>> piece provided by Boulder Bicycle gives the bag a consistent rectangular 
>> shape where my Acorn sags a bit at the top.  It probably holds more than I 
>> should put in it and my glass case rattled around inside until I stripped 
>> off my wind breaker and stuffed it into the bag. ( It was a gorgeous, sunny 
>> day in northern Vt but 55 & breezy!)
>>
>> Negatives:  The white elastic loops that close the outside pockets were 
>> mostly the wrong size and ragged at the edges.  It ended up taking a long 
>> time to get the bag operational because I wanted my favorite leather worker 
>> to rehab it with the nice brass turnbuckles that Acorn uses.  He was at 
>> Disneyland with his grandchildren and when he got home he said it would be 
>> difficult to do it right.  Additionally, where they do have elastic,  Acorn 
>> uses rounded latches and black cord, both of which work better than the 
>> pointed metal and white elastic on the Bertoud.
>>
>> The outside rear packets on the Bertoud can't be closed, while empty, 
>> with the supplied elastic, which is too long to loop tightly but too short 
>> to try to retie.  Additionally, even though the bag is bigger those pockets 
>> are smaller than Acorn and also smaller than my iphone 5.
>>
>> The tan canvas of the Acorn reflects light and makes it easier to see 
>> inside, while the black stiffener in the Bertoud absorbs light and makes it 
>> hard to see things inside the bag.  I'm baffled by the persistent use of 
>> black interiors in so many different kinds of bags.  I always prefer a 
>> light interior, which makes things much more visible.  
>>
>> The decaleur works fine (except the bizarre safety pin) and I installed 
>> it with locktite (was it Patrick who suggest that) and it held well over 
>> the first twenty miles of bad roads.
>>
>> I plan to replace the poor elastic ties and to get white contact paper to 
>> line the stiffener. 
>>
>> My ideal bag would combine the Acorn's light color, nice turn buckles, 
>> and shoulder strap loops, with Bertoud's leather trim, square shape, size 
>> choices, and real availability.
>>
>> I've uploaded some photos to Flicker: 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/25287678@N08/sets/72157653328881511
>>
>> BTW, the Ram had hammered honjos for eight years until they broke.  I 
>> replaced them with cream longboards but don't like them nearly as much.  
>> Also this was my first time publishing photos since "upgrading" to 
>> Yosemite. Qudos to Apple to for taking iPhoto, a stupid program, and making 
>> it even less user friendly.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bertoud Bag & Decaleur Installation Update

[Lee Chae]

Hi Michael,

Regarding the white elastic loops on the Berthoud bags, you're right, they
are a bit too big. But with non-bulky loads, all you need to do is thread
one end of the loop through the main loop and everything cinches up just
right. It'll take a ride to get used to doing this while in motion.

Here are a couple pics to demonstrate:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/flickr_lee/17357997952/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/flickr_lee/17173701249/in/dateposted-public/

Best,
Lee
SF, CA

On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> I finally got the new Bertoud bag and decaleur installed, and tested on my
> Ram.  Thanks again to all who offered so much good advice.  In case not
> everyone is riding for the whole weekend I want to share a few of my first
> impressions.
>
> I have a small Acorn Bag Rondinee bag and considered buying the larger
> version but bought the Bertoud after three failures to win the Acorn
> lottery.  (Hard to win from EST).  Each of these bags has plusses and
> minuses.  Bertoud has a slight edge on looks and Acorn on functionality.
>
> Pluses.  The leather trim on the Bertoud looks very nice; the large bag is
> a perfect fit on my 62 cm Ram; the stiffener, along with the added ridge
> piece provided by Boulder Bicycle gives the bag a consistent rectangular
> shape where my Acorn sags a bit at the top.  It probably holds more than I
> should put in it and my glass case rattled around inside until I stripped
> off my wind breaker and stuffed it into the bag. ( It was a gorgeous, sunny
> day in northern Vt but 55 & breezy!)
>
> Negatives:  The white elastic loops that close the outside pockets were
> mostly the wrong size and ragged at the edges.  It ended up taking a long
> time to get the bag operational because I wanted my favorite leather worker
> to rehab it with the nice brass turnbuckles that Acorn uses.  He was at
> Disneyland with his grandchildren and when he got home he said it would be
> difficult to do it right.  Additionally, where they do have elastic,  Acorn
> uses rounded latches and black cord, both of which work better than the
> pointed metal and white elastic on the Bertoud.
>
> The outside rear packets on the Bertoud can't be closed, while empty, with
> the supplied elastic, which is too long to loop tightly but too short to
> try to retie.  Additionally, even though the bag is bigger those pockets
> are smaller than Acorn and also smaller than my iphone 5.
>
> The tan canvas of the Acorn reflects light and makes it easier to see
> inside, while the black stiffener in the Bertoud absorbs light and makes it
> hard to see things inside the bag.  I'm baffled by the persistent use of
> black interiors in so many different kinds of bags.  I always prefer a
> light interior, which makes things much more visible.
>
> The decaleur works fine (except the bizarre safety pin) and I installed it
> with locktite (was it Patrick who suggest that) and it held well over the
> first twenty miles of bad roads.
>
> I plan to replace the poor elastic ties and to get white contact paper to
> line the stiffener.
>
> My ideal bag would combine the Acorn's light color, nice turn buckles, and
> shoulder strap loops, with Bertoud's leather trim, square shape, size
> choices, and real availability.
>
> I've uploaded some photos to Flicker:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/25287678@N08/sets/72157653328881511
>
> BTW, the Ram had hammered honjos for eight years until they broke.  I
> replaced them with cream longboards but don't like them nearly as much.
> Also this was my first time publishing photos since "upgrading" to
> Yosemite. Qudos to Apple to for taking iPhoto, a stupid program, and making
> it even less user friendly.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
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[RBW] Bertoud Bag & Decaleur Installation Update

[Michael Hechmer]

I finally got the new Bertoud bag and decaleur installed, and tested on my 
Ram.  Thanks again to all who offered so much good advice.  In case not 
everyone is riding for the whole weekend I want to share a few of my first 
impressions.

I have a small Acorn Bag Rondinee bag and considered buying the larger 
version but bought the Bertoud after three failures to win the Acorn 
lottery.  (Hard to win from EST).  Each of these bags has plusses and 
minuses.  Bertoud has a slight edge on looks and Acorn on functionality.

Pluses.  The leather trim on the Bertoud looks very nice; the large bag is 
a perfect fit on my 62 cm Ram; the stiffener, along with the added ridge 
piece provided by Boulder Bicycle gives the bag a consistent rectangular 
shape where my Acorn sags a bit at the top.  It probably holds more than I 
should put in it and my glass case rattled around inside until I stripped 
off my wind breaker and stuffed it into the bag. ( It was a gorgeous, sunny 
day in northern Vt but 55 & breezy!)

Negatives:  The white elastic loops that close the outside pockets were 
mostly the wrong size and ragged at the edges.  It ended up taking a long 
time to get the bag operational because I wanted my favorite leather worker 
to rehab it with the nice brass turnbuckles that Acorn uses.  He was at 
Disneyland with his grandchildren and when he got home he said it would be 
difficult to do it right.  Additionally, where they do have elastic,  Acorn 
uses rounded latches and black cord, both of which work better than the 
pointed metal and white elastic on the Bertoud.

The outside rear packets on the Bertoud can't be closed, while empty, with 
the supplied elastic, which is too long to loop tightly but too short to 
try to retie.  Additionally, even though the bag is bigger those pockets 
are smaller than Acorn and also smaller than my iphone 5.

The tan canvas of the Acorn reflects light and makes it easier to see 
inside, while the black stiffener in the Bertoud absorbs light and makes it 
hard to see things inside the bag.  I'm baffled by the persistent use of 
black interiors in so many different kinds of bags.  I always prefer a 
light interior, which makes things much more visible.  

The decaleur works fine (except the bizarre safety pin) and I installed it 
with locktite (was it Patrick who suggest that) and it held well over the 
first twenty miles of bad roads.

I plan to replace the poor elastic ties and to get white contact paper to 
line the stiffener. 

My ideal bag would combine the Acorn's light color, nice turn buckles, and 
shoulder strap loops, with Bertoud's leather trim, square shape, size 
choices, and real availability.

I've uploaded some photos to 
Flicker: https://www.flickr.com/photos/25287678@N08/sets/72157653328881511

BTW, the Ram had hammered honjos for eight years until they broke.  I 
replaced them with cream longboards but don't like them nearly as much. 
 Also this was my first time publishing photos since "upgrading" to 
Yosemite. Qudos to Apple to for taking iPhoto, a stupid program, and making 
it even less user friendly.

Michael



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