Re: [RBW] Cameras for Biking

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Deacon:

Your photos speak for themselves. Keep doing what you’re doing!

--Eric Norris
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YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On Jun 12, 2020, at 12:54 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Aye, Eric, friction between riding and photo is a thing. For me the equation 
> is complicated by the technical trails I ride, necessitating a mirrorless 
> camera be in a protective case inside my bike bag. But, because of a number 
> of factors, the form fitting leather case I got is not usable with the tripod 
> I use (detachable plate conflicts with the case), so I have to remove the 
> camera in case from the bike bag, then the camera from the leather case to 
> take shots. Haven't found anything on the market that addresses these issues, 
> short of a direct mount tripod, but I've not seen or looked hard for one 
> equal to the Velbon EX-Macro. 
> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1007229-REG/velbon_ex_macro_ex_macro_aluminum_tabletop_tripod.html?sts=pi=Y
>  
> 
> 
> The good news, for me, is when I want to take pictures, I'm remote, and it's 
> relaxed, so the extra friction is just part of using more purposeful gear.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 12:06:36 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
> Amen! There’s a design concept called “friction” that seeks to make things as 
> easy as possible (for instance, “Buy It Now” buttons on web sites). For me, 
> this is directly applicable to photography while riding: If I have to do more 
> than about three things to get to the point where I can take a picture, it’s 
> too complicated and I find that I don’t even try. 
> 
> Basically, I like a camera that I can 1) reach into the bag and grab, 2) turn 
> on/activate, and 3) put to my eye and shoot. Steps 1 and 2 should be possible 
> without looking at the camera. Depending on the circumstances, I may just 
> “aim” and shoot without using the viewfinder.
> 
> This is why I don’t like using my phone (other than the risk of dropping it). 
> Getting the darn thing unlocked and then loading the camera app *or* pressing 
> on the screen in the right place to start the camera is just too complicated 
> and requires too much attention.
> 
> This is also why I’m trending toward auto-focus, auto-exposure 
> point-and-shoot film cameras. I love rangefinders and have a bunch of them, 
> but unless I set the focus and hope for the best, they’re not useful to me 
> for bicycle shooting … unless I’m willing to stop, focus, meter (for cameras 
> like Rob K’s Leica iii), compose, and shoot.
> 
> These days, I likes cameras like the Olympus XA-4, which allows me to zone 
> focus and just point (wide angle lens makes it easier to aim). I also have a 
> few 1980s-ish point and shoot cameras like the Yashica T3 and Minoltal 
> HiMatic AF2 that are easy to use and do everything but push their own shutter 
> button. Most of these cameras even load and advance the film automatically. I 
> find I take more pictures when I carry these cameras.
> 
> This is based on almost 40 years of cycling photography. I started shooting 
> pictures of rides in the early 80s, using disposable film cameras that by 
> coincidence met the ease of use characteristics that I became aware of years 
> later. 
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com <>
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2020, at 4:04 AM, Augi > wrote:
>> 
>> I think the most important part of carrying a camera is how easy it is to 
>> get to.  I drop it into my stem/bar bag so I can pull it out at anytime.
>> 
>> https://www.outershelladventure.com/shop/7826r9hyzpjknnobe479ebu35yse8v 
>> 
>> 
>> When I used to pack my camera in a real bag, I noticed I got too lazy to get 
>> it out and in a jersey pocket doesn't work for me.  I get too sweaty.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 3:49:31 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>> 
>> How do you haul it, use it, etc?
>> 
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Cameras for Biking

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Aye, Eric, friction between riding and photo is a thing. For me the 
equation is complicated by the technical trails I ride, necessitating a 
mirrorless camera be in a protective case inside my bike bag. But, because 
of a number of factors, the form fitting leather case I got is not usable 
with the tripod I use (detachable plate conflicts with the case), so I have 
to remove the camera in case from the bike bag, then the camera from the 
leather case to take shots. Haven't found anything on the market that 
addresses these issues, short of a direct mount tripod, but I've not seen 
or looked hard for one equal to the Velbon EX-Macro. 
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1007229-REG/velbon_ex_macro_ex_macro_aluminum_tabletop_tripod.html?sts=pi=Y

The good news, for me, is when I want to take pictures, I'm remote, and 
it's relaxed, so the extra friction is just part of using more purposeful 
gear.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 12:06:36 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Amen! There’s a design concept called “friction” that seeks to make things 
> as easy as possible (for instance, “Buy It Now” buttons on web sites). For 
> me, this is directly applicable to photography while riding: If I have to 
> do more than about three things to get to the point where I can take a 
> picture, it’s too complicated and I find that I don’t even try. 
>
> Basically, I like a camera that I can 1) reach into the bag and grab, 2) 
> turn on/activate, and 3) put to my eye and shoot. Steps 1 and 2 should be 
> possible without looking at the camera. Depending on the circumstances, I 
> may just “aim” and shoot without using the viewfinder.
>
> This is why I don’t like using my phone (other than the risk of dropping 
> it). Getting the darn thing unlocked and then loading the camera app *or* 
> pressing on the screen in the right place to start the camera is just too 
> complicated and requires too much attention.
>
> This is also why I’m trending toward auto-focus, auto-exposure 
> point-and-shoot film cameras. I love rangefinders and have a bunch of them, 
> but unless I set the focus and hope for the best, they’re not useful to me 
> for bicycle shooting … unless I’m willing to stop, focus, meter (for 
> cameras like Rob K’s Leica iii), compose, and shoot.
>
> These days, I likes cameras like the Olympus XA-4, which allows me to zone 
> focus and just point (wide angle lens makes it easier to aim). I also have 
> a few 1980s-ish point and shoot cameras like the Yashica T3 and Minoltal 
> HiMatic AF2 that are easy to use and do everything but push their own 
> shutter button. Most of these cameras even load and advance the film 
> automatically. I find I take more pictures when I carry these cameras.
>
> This is based on almost 40 years of cycling photography. I started 
> shooting pictures of rides in the early 80s, using disposable film cameras 
> that by coincidence met the ease of use characteristics that I became aware 
> of years later. 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Jun 9, 2020, at 4:04 AM, Augi > wrote:
>
> I think the most important part of carrying a camera is how easy it is to 
> get to.  I drop it into my stem/bar bag so I can pull it out at anytime.
>
> https://www.outershelladventure.com/shop/7826r9hyzpjknnobe479ebu35yse8v
>
> When I used to pack my camera in a real bag, I noticed I got too lazy to 
> get it out and in a jersey pocket doesn't work for me.  I get too sweaty.
>
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 3:49:31 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>>
>> How do you haul it, use it, etc?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Cameras for Biking

[Rob Klurfield]

David, thanks. The Gordy's works well.

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 1:13:12 PM UTC-4, David Hays wrote:
>
> Nice cameras. And I love the Gordy’s strap! Very Bobish.
>
> On Jun 9, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Rob Klurfield  > wrote:
>
> 
>
> Leica M8 with Canon 35 f2 LTM and Leica IIIf with 50 f2 Summitar (Legacy 
> Pro 100 B film). Good to go. Also had a couple of tangerines in there.
>  
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Re: [RBW] Cameras for Biking

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

iPhone. I can activate the camera from the lock screen by pressing on a screen 
iconStill involves looking at the screen and long pressing on the right 
spot, which is too hard to do while riding. 

–Eric N


> On Jun 11, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Christopher Cote 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I don't know what phone you're using, but with my Pixel 2, double-pressing 
> the power button brings up the camera, even if the phone is locked. Pressing 
> the - volume button takes a picture. Easy to do while riding. Most of the 
> other phones I've owned allow similar shortcuts to bring up the camera app.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 2:06:36 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>> Amen! There’s a design concept called “friction” that seeks to make things 
>> as easy as possible (for instance, “Buy It Now” buttons on web sites). For 
>> me, this is directly applicable to photography while riding: If I have to do 
>> more than about three things to get to the point where I can take a picture, 
>> it’s too complicated and I find that I don’t even try. 
>> 
>> Basically, I like a camera that I can 1) reach into the bag and grab, 2) 
>> turn on/activate, and 3) put to my eye and shoot. Steps 1 and 2 should be 
>> possible without looking at the camera. Depending on the circumstances, I 
>> may just “aim” and shoot without using the viewfinder.
>> 
>> This is why I don’t like using my phone (other than the risk of dropping 
>> it). Getting the darn thing unlocked and then loading the camera app *or* 
>> pressing on the screen in the right place to start the camera is just too 
>> complicated and requires too much attention.
>> 
>> This is also why I’m trending toward auto-focus, auto-exposure 
>> point-and-shoot film cameras. I love rangefinders and have a bunch of them, 
>> but unless I set the focus and hope for the best, they’re not useful to me 
>> for bicycle shooting … unless I’m willing to stop, focus, meter (for cameras 
>> like Rob K’s Leica iii), compose, and shoot.
>> 
>> These days, I likes cameras like the Olympus XA-4, which allows me to zone 
>> focus and just point (wide angle lens makes it easier to aim). I also have a 
>> few 1980s-ish point and shoot cameras like the Yashica T3 and Minoltal 
>> HiMatic AF2 that are easy to use and do everything but push their own 
>> shutter button. Most of these cameras even load and advance the film 
>> automatically. I find I take more pictures when I carry these cameras.
>> 
>> This is based on almost 40 years of cycling photography. I started shooting 
>> pictures of rides in the early 80s, using disposable film cameras that by 
>> coincidence met the ease of use characteristics that I became aware of years 
>> later. 
>> 
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2020, at 4:04 AM, Augi  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think the most important part of carrying a camera is how easy it is to 
>>> get to.  I drop it into my stem/bar bag so I can pull it out at anytime.
>>> 
>>> https://www.outershelladventure.com/shop/7826r9hyzpjknnobe479ebu35yse8v
>>> 
>>> When I used to pack my camera in a real bag, I noticed I got too lazy to 
>>> get it out and in a jersey pocket doesn't work for me.  I get too sweaty.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 3:49:31 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
 
 How do you haul it, use it, etc?
 
 With abandon,
 Patrick
 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Cameras for Biking

[Christopher Cote]

I don't know what phone you're using, but with my Pixel 2, double-pressing 
the power button brings up the camera, even if the phone is locked. 
Pressing the - volume button takes a picture. Easy to do while riding. Most 
of the other phones I've owned allow similar shortcuts to bring up the 
camera app.

Chris



On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 2:06:36 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Amen! There’s a design concept called “friction” that seeks to make things 
> as easy as possible (for instance, “Buy It Now” buttons on web sites). For 
> me, this is directly applicable to photography while riding: If I have to 
> do more than about three things to get to the point where I can take a 
> picture, it’s too complicated and I find that I don’t even try. 
>
> Basically, I like a camera that I can 1) reach into the bag and grab, 2) 
> turn on/activate, and 3) put to my eye and shoot. Steps 1 and 2 should be 
> possible without looking at the camera. Depending on the circumstances, I 
> may just “aim” and shoot without using the viewfinder.
>
> This is why I don’t like using my phone (other than the risk of dropping 
> it). Getting the darn thing unlocked and then loading the camera app *or* 
> pressing on the screen in the right place to start the camera is just too 
> complicated and requires too much attention.
>
> This is also why I’m trending toward auto-focus, auto-exposure 
> point-and-shoot film cameras. I love rangefinders and have a bunch of them, 
> but unless I set the focus and hope for the best, they’re not useful to me 
> for bicycle shooting … unless I’m willing to stop, focus, meter (for 
> cameras like Rob K’s Leica iii), compose, and shoot.
>
> These days, I likes cameras like the Olympus XA-4, which allows me to zone 
> focus and just point (wide angle lens makes it easier to aim). I also have 
> a few 1980s-ish point and shoot cameras like the Yashica T3 and Minoltal 
> HiMatic AF2 that are easy to use and do everything but push their own 
> shutter button. Most of these cameras even load and advance the film 
> automatically. I find I take more pictures when I carry these cameras.
>
> This is based on almost 40 years of cycling photography. I started 
> shooting pictures of rides in the early 80s, using disposable film cameras 
> that by coincidence met the ease of use characteristics that I became aware 
> of years later. 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Jun 9, 2020, at 4:04 AM, Augi > wrote:
>
> I think the most important part of carrying a camera is how easy it is to 
> get to.  I drop it into my stem/bar bag so I can pull it out at anytime.
>
> https://www.outershelladventure.com/shop/7826r9hyzpjknnobe479ebu35yse8v
>
> When I used to pack my camera in a real bag, I noticed I got too lazy to 
> get it out and in a jersey pocket doesn't work for me.  I get too sweaty.
>
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 3:49:31 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>>
>> How do you haul it, use it, etc?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Cameras for Biking

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Amen! There’s a design concept called “friction” that seeks to make things as 
easy as possible (for instance, “Buy It Now” buttons on web sites). For me, 
this is directly applicable to photography while riding: If I have to do more 
than about three things to get to the point where I can take a picture, it’s 
too complicated and I find that I don’t even try. 

Basically, I like a camera that I can 1) reach into the bag and grab, 2) turn 
on/activate, and 3) put to my eye and shoot. Steps 1 and 2 should be possible 
without looking at the camera. Depending on the circumstances, I may just “aim” 
and shoot without using the viewfinder.

This is why I don’t like using my phone (other than the risk of dropping it). 
Getting the darn thing unlocked and then loading the camera app *or* pressing 
on the screen in the right place to start the camera is just too complicated 
and requires too much attention.

This is also why I’m trending toward auto-focus, auto-exposure point-and-shoot 
film cameras. I love rangefinders and have a bunch of them, but unless I set 
the focus and hope for the best, they’re not useful to me for bicycle shooting 
… unless I’m willing to stop, focus, meter (for cameras like Rob K’s Leica 
iii), compose, and shoot.

These days, I likes cameras like the Olympus XA-4, which allows me to zone 
focus and just point (wide angle lens makes it easier to aim). I also have a 
few 1980s-ish point and shoot cameras like the Yashica T3 and Minoltal HiMatic 
AF2 that are easy to use and do everything but push their own shutter button. 
Most of these cameras even load and advance the film automatically. I find I 
take more pictures when I carry these cameras.

This is based on almost 40 years of cycling photography. I started shooting 
pictures of rides in the early 80s, using disposable film cameras that by 
coincidence met the ease of use characteristics that I became aware of years 
later. 

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On Jun 9, 2020, at 4:04 AM, Augi  wrote:
> 
> I think the most important part of carrying a camera is how easy it is to get 
> to.  I drop it into my stem/bar bag so I can pull it out at anytime.
> 
> https://www.outershelladventure.com/shop/7826r9hyzpjknnobe479ebu35yse8v 
> 
> 
> When I used to pack my camera in a real bag, I noticed I got too lazy to get 
> it out and in a jersey pocket doesn't work for me.  I get too sweaty.
> 
> 
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 3:49:31 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> 
> How do you haul it, use it, etc?
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
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Re: [RBW] Cameras for Biking

[David Hays]

Nice cameras. And I love the Gordy’s strap! Very Bobish.

> On Jun 9, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Rob Klurfield  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Leica M8 with Canon 35 f2 LTM and Leica IIIf with 50 f2 Summitar (Legacy Pro 
> 100 B film). Good to go. Also had a couple of tangerines in there.
> 
>  
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Re: [RBW] Cameras for Biking

[Robert Tilley]

I also really like the Sony RX100 but I don't believe it has the timer 
functions the OP wants. I had the original version but mine finally died due to 
poor packing on an off-road tour last year. I picked up a replacement of the 
basic version since I didn't want to spend the $$ for the upgraded model. I 
like mine enough I didn't even look at what else may be out there now when 
deciding to buy a new one.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA


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I have no recommendations for you, but huge praises for being able to shed your 
cell phone. You are an inspiration Deacon!

Karl
Nash, TN

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[RBW] Cameras for Biking

[Karl]

I have no recommendations for you, but huge praises for being able to shed your 
cell phone. You are an inspiration Deacon! 

Karl
Nash, TN

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Re: [RBW] Cameras for Biking

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I love the micro four thirds system too.  I'm a fan of the Panasonic GX
line (small form with built-in viewfinder).  I have the GX1 and then
upgraded to GX8.  It peaked there with the weather resistant body and was
downgraded with the GX9.  The 20mm f1.7 lens is fantastic.  It has a great
walk forward and backward zoom :) and is perfect for most things except
wildlife, which may flee by the zoom actuation.  I use an old Lightroom
(before they went subscription) with RAW images to get lossless exposure
control.

Toshi


On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 5:57 AM Michael Morrissey <
michaelgmorris...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I love Micro four thirds! Get the Panasonic 20mm f1.7 lens. I get so many
> compliments on my photos from it. Just like Rivendell bikes, on paper,
> looking at the technical specs only, micro four thirds cameras don’t seem
> that great. They’re not technically “the best.” But, when you get your
> hands on one in real life they’re way more fun than you expect. For real
> life use, they’re just inexplicably more practical than any other option.
>
> Good call with the Olympus. You’ll like it a lot.
>
> M
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[RBW] Cameras for Biking

[Michael Morrissey]

I love Micro four thirds! Get the Panasonic 20mm f1.7 lens. I get so many 
compliments on my photos from it. Just like Rivendell bikes, on paper, looking 
at the technical specs only, micro four thirds cameras don’t seem that great. 
They’re not technically “the best.” But, when you get your hands on one in real 
life they’re way more fun than you expect. For real life use, they’re just 
inexplicably more practical than any other option. 

Good call with the Olympus. You’ll like it a lot. 

M

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[RBW] Cameras for Biking

[Christopher Cote]

I bought an Olympus E-M10 Mark iii camera last winter, and have already 
acquired a little collection of lenses, including the "prime trio" of 17, 25, 
and 45mm F/1.8 (35, 50, and 90mm equivalent in 35mm) lenses. I love the image 
quality, real "bokeh" (as opposed to the fake bokeh you get with fancy phone 
cameras these days), the normal and short tele perspectives, which are 
refreshing compared to the overabundance of 24-28mm equivalent phone camera 
pictures you see everywhere. I like the ability to shoot with manual settings, 
and the built-in Olympus art filters.

I know film camera (please don't call it analog) shooting is all the rage these 
days, but digital is so much cheaper and more convenient.

My primary outlet for photography these days is instagram. You can look me up 
@cj.biker there.

Finally, I think the Micro 4/3 format is brilliant. It doesn't match the image 
quality and light gathering of full-frame, but the smaller size and tremendous 
quality lenses for the price more than make up for it, IMHO.

Chris

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[RBW] Cameras for Biking

[Tom Wyland]

I consider myself to be someone who likes trailing-edge reliable tech. I spent 
many years happily snapping away with my canon film SLR. I’ve had various 
iterations of Canon digital SLRs.. some even use my 15-year-old lenses.
I bought a Samsung mirrorless camera years ago and even put aside my DSLR for 
travel. The mirrorless is smaller and just as nice as my DSLR.
The newest iPhones with the multiple lenses and portrait mode take photos only 
rivaled by full-frame cameras. I’ll carry around a $700 camera all day but bulk 
at a friends $9000 full-frame camera kit.
Your results may vary.

Tom

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[RBW] Cameras for Biking

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I recommended Canon before. Sony's great, but they're $. 
This one is good, and you can collect lenses, and if you crunch it by accident 
it's not the end of the world.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1321345-REG/canon_eos_m5_mirrorless_digital.html
-Kai

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[RBW] Cameras for Biking

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've no longer a mobile phone and thus no longer have the incorporated camera 
and it's happy ability to take a burst of photos after a set delay of 20 
seconds or so. Kai kindly recommended Sony, and in my research I ended up 
finding the simplicity of mirrorless, which presumably means heartier (I'll 
test that!), then, in looking for older models that do what I want so I don't 
pay for all the latest bells and whistles, I found Olympus' Pen E-PL8, which is 
long in the tooth and thus happily under $300 with lens for a step uyp from a 
point and shoot or adventure camera. I have it coming, along with a better 
tripod and a leather case. I plan to carry it in my XS Saddlesack handlebar bag.

Curious what folks going digital, who are into photography are doing/using. I 
love the simplicity of the mobile phone, but miss the qualities and settings of 
a higher end camera. It seems there are the point and shoots (not many as 
mobile phones do this), adventure cameras, which are a step up but still 
feature shy without spending a fortune, and then the higher end cameras 
(recommendations for ones that are weather proof and heartier?).

What do you like, not like about what you are using? How do you haul it, use 
it, etc?

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] cameras and biking

[Brian Hanson]

I'm curious of those who bring a small SLR or mirrorless camera on trips,
have you found a good way to carry it so you have it ready quickly?  I've
always used a small point  shoot kept in a pocket or the small pocket in
my acorn boxy rando bag.  I'm looking for a way to have a larger camera
ready to photograph the scenes I'm biking by on longer rides.  I seem to
recall Grant talking about some kind of harness a few years back?

Brian
Seattle, WA

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Re: [RBW] cameras and biking

[Eric Platt]

Seem to remember Grant was using a second strap to go around his chest to
keep the camera in place.  Tried it, but found it sub-optimal for my riding
style.  First, I sweat a lot, and that gets all over the camera.  Not a
good thing on a digital.  Even my rangefinder looked pretty ugly very
quick.  And I didn't like the feel of something pulling down on my neck.
Might not be as much an issue on an Albatross or similar bar bike.

For longer rides where a larger camera is along, it's either in the
saddlebag, or a Hobo bag up front.  Most of the time a point and shoot is
adequate for my needs, though.

Have been thinking about this as I'm trying to figure out what cameras to
take on the Rivendell Ride Midwest next weekend.  And how to carry them
best.  Go with zoom digital and film, or intentionally limit myself to
think about the photo?

Eric Platt
St, Paul, MN
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 2:18 AM, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm curious of those who bring a small SLR or mirrorless camera on trips,
 have you found a good way to carry it so you have it ready quickly?  I've
 always used a small point  shoot kept in a pocket or the small pocket in
 my acorn boxy rando bag.  I'm looking for a way to have a larger camera
 ready to photograph the scenes I'm biking by on longer rides.  I seem to
 recall Grant talking about some kind of harness a few years back?

 Brian
 Seattle, WA

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