Re: [RBW] Christmas Clementine

[Roberta]

So pretty, so twinkly.  Just what we need.

We Need a Little Christmas, Angela Landsbury: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St7mQWwmo70

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Re: [RBW] Christmas Clementine

[Patrick Moore]

Wow, 75*. I was talking to a client in Chicago this morning who said that
since it was his birthday he was going to take advantage of the (also) 75*
forecast temperature (second time in his 50-something lifetime) and take
his kids out golfing. Meanwhile, here in southerly ABQ, NM, the high was
barely 50* and that quickly slipped back to the upper 40s with gusty winds;
2 light wool layers over the cotton shirt when I rode to the PO in the
early afternoon.

Patrick Moore, who often talks to clients in pyjamas (tape over laptop
camera) because most are 2 hours ahead of ABQ, NM

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> 75 degrees in November in Northern Michigan today and your picture jolted
> me back to the reality that we're just over 2 weeks away from Thanksgiving!
> What a lovely scene to ease me into a holiday state of mind. Thank you.
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Re: [RBW] Christmas Clementine

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75 degrees in November in Northern Michigan today and your picture jolted 
me back to the reality that we're just over 2 weeks away from Thanksgiving! 
What a lovely scene to ease me into a holiday state of mind. Thank you.

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Re: [RBW] Christmas Clementine

[Joe Bernard]

No sound made no difference to me, Mark. The Christmas Clementine music 
popped right in my head and stuck there anyway! 
On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:

> Fabulous. And I am grateful for your decision not to include sound on this 
> one, not yet.
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> BTW, some of us prefer flannel pjs for those work-from-home days.
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>> sweatpants are the new work attire, home is the new office, sourdough 
>> reigns supreme, toilet paper is precious... and Christmas starts November 
>> 1st. 
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Re: [RBW] Christmas Clementine

[Mark Roland]

Fabulous. And I am grateful for your decision not to include sound on this 
one, not yet.

BTW, some of us prefer flannel pjs for those work-from-home days.

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[RBW] Christmas Clementine

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I don’t care what you say, it’s time for Christmas. It’s 2020; sweatpants are 
the new work attire, home is the new office, sourdough reigns supreme, toilet 
paper is precious... and Christmas starts November 1st.

Video of my Christmas Clementine in the second post on this thread...
Leah

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RE: [RBW] Christmas Clementine

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

I used a regular stainless Allen bolt (a looong one, like 30mm) with a washer 
on the inside of the fender to spread the stress and a leather washer between 
the fender and the long nylon spacer that the bolt went through to arrive at 
the tapped downward facing hole in the seatstay bridge.  I didn't worry about 
spacing considerations inside the fender because with the (relatively) small 
42mm Hetres there was plenty of room under the fenders.

BTW, the bridges seemed perfectly equidistant on this frame.  Fenders mounted 
up very nicely.



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On 12/29/2015 09:34 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
It may be vastly better, but I have to report never having had an issue with 
the bracket style mount. Nevertheless, since I do not have that option, I seek 
advice. What type of bolt head do people use so as to create the least 
protrusion in the middle of the inside of the fender?

Something like this is nice:

[cid:image001.jpg@01D1496A.F2266AA0]



Leather washer goes between outside of fender and seat stay.


Pudge, what did you use for the Clementine above? Did you use a leather washer 
between the fender and what looks like a long aluminum spacer?  (The other nice 
thing about the bracket besides no protruding hardware inside the fender is it 
gives you a bit of latitude in adjusting the fender line at this contact point, 
both laterally and vertically. With the vastly better option, you need to 
figure it out and measure twice, cut once.)

You have to attach a bracket to the fender, and either you bolt the bracket to 
the fender, in which case the hardware to do that protrudes inside the fender, 
or you clamp it around the edges and no matter how tightly you do that it can 
(and as these things go, if it can it will) move over time, giving rise to 
rattles and changing the fender line.  What's more, a bracket can't be as solid 
a mount as directly screwing it into the seat stay bridge or to an eye bolt 
inside the fork crown.  That, plus the fact that it looks much better without 
brackets, is why "vastly better."

As for "figure it out and measure it twice," that is how it is with metal 
fenders.  It's much easier now than it was 10 years ago, since most metal 
fenders of this type now come pre-drilled for the stays.  Back in the day, they 
never did, and you had to mount, mark, remove, drill, reinstall, mark, remove, 
drill, reinstall etc., several times.  Even with brackets, to a large extent 
this is still the way it is.  You can't do all your measuring at one time, 
because once you mount the first mount things change.  It's a Zen kind of thing 
that requires patience and zero sense of urgency: it will take however long it 
takes, and it cannot be hurried.


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Re: [RBW] Christmas Clementine

[Ryan Fleming]

Your builds are just fantastic:)

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Re: [RBW] Christmas Clementine

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Yes -- the cable stops aren't well located for the pulley idea. And thanks, 
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[RBW] Christmas Clementine

[Tom Harrop]

That is magic, well done. So you went for v-brakes over the cantis and pulley 
that were discussed earlier?

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[RBW] Christmas Clementine

[grrlyrida]

Gorgeous bike! So pretty.  I hope she enjoys it!

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[RBW] Christmas Clementine

[masmojo]

Hope you Don't mind if I crib off you a little,  my kids Clementine is that 
same color, I have bookmarked that web site & I intend to get one of those 
lovely baskets!

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Re: [RBW] Christmas Clementine

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

(I started a new thread to continue/end the conversational veer regarding 
the rear fender attachment.) The Christmas Clementine looks lovely. The 
baskets look beautiful, too. Depending on what kind of loads are planned, I 
wonder if for the long run, some kind of rack or hoop might help with 
swaying, and extra support for those leather straps. My little guy is only 
six, but whenever I tinker I try to lure him in. He enjoys helping out, and 
it's a great way to teach kids all kinds of lessons without working at it 
too hard!

I got the complete Clementine, a 52cm, so not much opportunity to get super 
creative. Having already crossed the gender line by American standards, I 
chose the black paint, and I am going with black fenders, racks, and 
saddle, to create my formal attire soccer dad vehicle. (Augmented with a 
dyno lighting system and reflective tape and clothing, of course!)

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Re: [RBW] Christmas Clementine

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It may be vastly better, but I have to report never having had an issue 
with the bracket style mount. Nevertheless, since I do not have that 
option, I seek advice. What type of bolt head do people use so as to create 
the least protrusion in the middle of the inside of the fender? Pudge, what 
did you use for the Clementine above? Did you use a leather washer between 
the fender and what looks like a long aluminum spacer?  (The other nice 
thing about the bracket besides no protruding hardware inside the fender is 
it gives you a bit of latitude in adjusting the fender line at this contact 
point, both laterally and vertically. With the vastly better option, you 
need to figure it out and measure twice, cut once.)

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> It is vastly better than using that little clamp on bracket.  It in fact 
> *is* "ideal."
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Re: [RBW] Christmas Clementine

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/29/2015 09:34 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
It may be vastly better, but I have to report never having had an 
issue with the bracket style mount. Nevertheless, since I do not have 
that option, I seek advice. What type of bolt head do people use so as 
to create the least protrusion in the middle of the inside of the fender?


Something like this is nice:





Leather washer goes between outside of fender and seat stay.

Pudge, what did you use for the Clementine above? Did you use a 
leather washer between the fender and what looks like a long aluminum 
spacer?  (The other nice thing about the bracket besides no protruding 
hardware inside the fender is it gives you a bit of latitude in 
adjusting the fender line at this contact point, both laterally and 
vertically. With the vastly better option, you need to figure it out 
and measure twice, cut once.)


You have to attach a bracket to the fender, and either you bolt the 
bracket to the fender, in which case the hardware to do that protrudes 
inside the fender, or you clamp it around the edges and no matter how 
tightly you do that it can (and as these things go, if it can it will) 
move over time, giving rise to rattles and changing the fender line.  
What's more, a bracket can't be as solid a mount as directly screwing it 
into the seat stay bridge or to an eye bolt inside the fork crown.  
That, plus the fact that it looks much better without brackets, is why 
"vastly better."


As for "figure it out and measure it twice," that is how it is with 
metal fenders.  It's much easier now than it was 10 years ago, since 
most metal fenders of this type now come pre-drilled for the stays. Back 
in the day, they never did, and you had to mount, mark, remove, drill, 
reinstall, mark, remove, drill, reinstall etc., several times.  Even 
with brackets, to a large extent this is still the way it is.  You can't 
do all your measuring at one time, because once you mount the first 
mount things change.  It's a Zen kind of thing that requires patience 
and zero sense of urgency: it will take however long it takes, and it 
cannot be hurried.




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Re: [RBW] Christmas Clementine

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/28/2015 11:46 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Been meaning to ask, the Clementine is the first bike I have owned 
with the seat stay bridge having no brake or fender hole, but rather a 
hole that faces the ground. I assume I get the other two attachment 
points lined up, then drill a hole through the fender, and use a bolt 
with a flat head for the inside of the fender and whatever spacer 
required. Though I guess this way is more secure, ti seems less than 
ideal, and I almost would prefer the little clamp on bracket that I 
use on my other fendered bicycles.


It is vastly better than using that little clamp on bracket.  It in fact 
/is/ "ideal."


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RE: [RBW] Christmas Clementine

[Abcyclehank]

I don't know if your amazing build encourages me to keep my 52cm Clementine 
frame or sell it.  Hard to compete with your impressive builds.

Sincerely, 
Ryan "winter storm entrenched in West Michigan"

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[RBW] Christmas Clementine

[Montclair BobbyB]

Bravo, Hank! Nice work, master teacher Tom!
The torch has been lit...

BB

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[RBW] Christmas Clementine

[WETH]

That is a beautiful build and bike!  How wonderful that you enjoyed fabulous 
moments with your son over a shared hobby! Happy New Year!
-Erl 

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[RBW] Christmas Clementine

[islaysteve]

Very nice. What a great experience for you and your son!

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Re: [RBW] Christmas Clementine

[James Warren]

Can a bike be any more appealing than that?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 28, 2015, at 9:45 AM, "Allingham II, Thomas J" 
>  wrote:
> 
> A really great part of Christmas this year for me was building up a 
> Clementine with my son as a gift for his girlfriend.  He's always been 
> interested in bikes, and more so since he rode on the Bobby Birmingham-led 
> Riv Rally East rides a few years back, riding a couple of loaner Rivs.  I 
> gave him my SimpleOne a couple of years ago, and he rides it all over 
> Washington, D.C.  Anyway, he wanted to build a bike for his g/f, and he was 
> very interested in learning how to do it himself, with the result that we got 
> to spend some real quality time together doing something fun over the holiday 
> week.  Pics of the result are below.  It's a 52cm frame, Nitto Bullmoose 
> Bosco handlebars, VO grips, Paul levers and Moto-lite brakes, some kind of 
> thumb shifter for the 1 X 8 drive train, Stronglight 49D crank and Bespoke 
> Chainrings "Solida Cats" chainring, VO Sabot pedals, SOMA Edison taillight 
> and Torpedo battery headlight, Tanaka ivory painted alloy fenders, red 
> Hetres, a slightly used honey B-17, and a House of Talents basket (which I 
> strongly recommend – link here:  http://houseoftalents.com/ ).  This is an 
> absolutely wonderful bike – rides like a dream.  I think Grant hit it out of 
> the park with this one.
>  
> 
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[RBW] Christmas Clementine

[LeahFoy]

Wow, amazingly lovely. She's a lucky girlfriend. What will she use the bike 
for? Commuting? Errands? My MIL's 52 Clementine arrived today, and this makes 
me extra exited!!!

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Re: [RBW] Christmas Clementine

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Been meaning to ask, the Clementine is the first bike I have owned with the 
seat stay bridge having no brake or fender hole, but rather a hole that 
faces the ground. I assume I get the other two attachment points lined up, 
then drill a hole through the fender, and use a bolt with a flat head for 
the inside of the fender and whatever spacer required. Though I guess this 
way is more secure, ti seems less than ideal, and I almost would prefer the 
little clamp on bracket that I use on my other fendered bicycles.

On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 3:35:22 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
>
> Tanakas were appealing to me because they're alloy and available in Ivory 
> color 650B, 50mm wide, which for me is good enough clearance for the 42mm 
> Hetres on the Clementine (because the 'tine has a LOT of vertical room over 
> the fenders).  They're alloy, and seem quite well made, though not as fancy 
> in the hardware as Honjos.  I found them straightforward to install (within 
> the constraints of the Clementine, whose massive clearance required an 
> extra long daruma bolt and pretty long spacers on the chainstay and 
> seatstay bridges).  SOMA is running a sale on them right now – normally 
> $80, now $53).  Here's the link:  http://store.somafab.com/tafe65aliv.html 
>   The Ivory color is an extremely good match for the cream-colored details 
> on the Clementine; I didn't look, but I bet they'd also be great on cream 
> headtubed Rivs.
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Steve Palincsar
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2015 2:53 PM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Christmas Clementine
>
>  
>
> Nice looking bike.  I'm unfamiliar with Tanaka fenders.  Can you tell us 
> more about them?
>
> On 12/28/2015 12:45 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote:
>
> A really great part of Christmas this year for me was building up a 
> Clementine with my son as a gift for his girlfriend.  He's always been 
> interested in bikes, and more so since he rode on the Bobby Birmingham-led 
> Riv Rally East rides a few years back, riding a couple of loaner Rivs.  I 
> gave him my SimpleOne a couple of years ago, and he rides it all over 
> Washington, D.C.  Anyway, he wanted to build a bike for his g/f, and he was 
> very interested in learning how to do it himself, with the result that we 
> got to spend some real quality time together doing something fun over the 
> holiday week.  Pics of the result are below.  It's a 52cm frame, Nitto 
> Bullmoose Bosco handlebars, VO grips, Paul levers and Moto-lite brakes, 
> some kind of thumb shifter for the 1 X 8 drive train, Stronglight 49D crank 
> and Bespoke Chainrings "Solida Cats" chainring, VO Sabot pedals, SOMA 
> Edison taillight and Torpedo battery headlight, Tanaka ivory painted alloy 
> fenders, red Hetres, a slightly used honey B-17, and a House of Talents 
> basket (which I strongly recommend – link here:  
> http://houseoftalents.com/ ).  This is an absolutely wonderful bike – 
> rides like a dream.  I think Grant hit it out of the park with this one.
>
>  
>
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>
>  
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