Re: [RBW] Converting 650b Hilsen to Rene Herse 42/26 cranks

[johnboy]

I have an early A Homer (2006?)700 c 59 cm. I switched from a typical RBW 
Sugino triple to a RH 46/30 double. Did nothing to the bottom bracket-a 
110mm Phil Wood. No issues. Changed to a vintage Suntour lite front 
derailler. John -Walnut Creek
On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 2:50:56 PM UTC-7 Doug Williams wrote:

> Thanks very much, Patrick! As usual, very helpful.
>
> Doug
>
> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 4:30:06 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Doug: There are all sorts of reasons to buy the RH crank, foremost among 
>> which is its beauty. But if you want a cheaper, more utilitarian way to get 
>> the same result, consider converting the homely Sugino by removing the 46 
>> and replacing it with a guard (https://bbgbashguard.com), swapping the 
>> 36 for a 42, and considering whether you need to swap the 24 for a 26; but 
>> if you decide that you do, this is easy. 
>>
>> Then you can hold an interior debate about the cogs you need to change in 
>> the rear.
>>
>> The *upshot* is that you can leave the bb spindle and even the front 
>> derailleur strictly alone. 
>>
>> Some years ago I changed the 46-36-24 on my Fargo, long since sold, to a 
>> BBBashGuard/38/24 on the same Sugino XD2. I swapped the 7 cogs on the 
>> Shimano LX freehub for 9 different ones; IIRC, I simply bought 9-sp spacers 
>> and built a cassette from the cogs in my Big Box.
>>
>> Note this carefully: I *did not* change the bb assembly, I kept the same 
>> LX triple front derailleur, *and I didn't even** lower the front 
>> derailleur.* I simply adjusted the fd outer throw adjustment screw. 
>>
>> It all worked fine. Again, I did not lower the fd; just left it hanging 
>> with a huge gap over the outer, formerly middle, ring.
>>
>> But once again, the RH crank is indeed very pretty, and I am tempted to 
>> buy one myself simply for prettiness.
>>
>> Oh,
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 1:53 PM Doug Williams  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 58cm 650b A. Homer Hilsen that I purchased from Riv in 2014. I 
>>> have been loving it ever since! It has the Sugino Triple Crank 46-36-24 and 
>>> I run it all friction shifting with bar end silvers, 8 speed with a 11-32 
>>> cassette. The front derailer is Shimano Claris Triple. The bottom bracket 
>>> is  bbc110.
>>>
>>> So...I'm getting older and I notice I don't use the 46 ring much, at 
>>> least not with the higher gears in the back. I am definitely an "UnRacer" 
>>> anyway. I am thinking of getting the Rene Herse double cranks with 42-26 
>>> rings. If I go with the 8 speed megarange 11-34 cassette in the back, I 
>>> would give up almost nothing in the lower gears and lose just some high 
>>> gears that I rarely use anyway. So two questions:
>>>
>>> 1. Is my bottom bracket compatible with the Rene Herse cranks? I think 
>>> so, but I'm not sure. Would now be a good time to replace it anyway?
>>>
>>> 2. Should I just keep my Claris triple FD and crank in the limit screw 
>>> or go with something like the Shimano CX70 or some other double FD that 
>>> works well with compact 42-26 rings?
>>>
>>> Any other comments or suggestions would be welcome.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
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[RBW] Converting 650b Hilsen to Rene Herse 42/26 cranks

[KenP]

Hi Doug,
My Appaloosa needed a much longer bottom bracket.
RH shipped me a 121 & LBS had me return the BB because it needed to be 
even longer.  The RH crank has a different feel because of the Q factor.  
It puts the legs closer together.  It weighs about the same.  Advantages 
that you customize it with the rings you want, a longer/shorter crank arm, 
finish color, etc.  The rings have a different bolt pattern than the XD2. I 
switched front derailleur  and  I switched to a RH crank from XD2 and am 
satisfied.  I had been having trouble with the XD2 having the chain drop 
between the rings.  Riv's own new crank might be nice as well if they have 
them available.
Ken
On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 3:53:47 PM UTC-4 Doug Williams wrote:

> I have a 58cm 650b A. Homer Hilsen that I purchased from Riv in 2014. I 
> have been loving it ever since! It has the Sugino Triple Crank 46-36-24 and 
> I run it all friction shifting with bar end silvers, 8 speed with a 11-32 
> cassette. The front derailer is Shimano Claris Triple. The bottom bracket 
> is  bbc110.
>
> So...I'm getting older and I notice I don't use the 46 ring much, at least 
> not with the higher gears in the back. I am definitely an "UnRacer" anyway. 
> I am thinking of getting the Rene Herse double cranks with 42-26 rings. If 
> I go with the 8 speed megarange 11-34 cassette in the back, I would give up 
> almost nothing in the lower gears and lose just some high gears that I 
> rarely use anyway. So two questions:
>
> 1. Is my bottom bracket compatible with the Rene Herse cranks? I think so, 
> but I'm not sure. Would now be a good time to replace it anyway?
>
> 2. Should I just keep my Claris triple FD and crank in the limit screw or 
> go with something like the Shimano CX70 or some other double FD that works 
> well with compact 42-26 rings?
>
> Any other comments or suggestions would be welcome.
>
> Doug
>

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Re: [RBW] Converting 650b Hilsen to Rene Herse 42/26 cranks

[Mark Allen]

I made a very similar switch from a 46-36-26 Sugino to a 42-26 White 
Industries VBC, both with an 11-34 9 speed cassette. It's been a great move 
– I don't miss the few high gears I lost, I still have plenty of really low 
gears for loaded climbing, and shifting is a bit simpler. The bottom 
bracket spindle length with the Sugino triple was 118mm long, and the White 
Industries support docs suggested a 113mm length was ideal for that 
crankset so I swapped those out, although the dark art of chainlines is a 
bit of a mystery to me so I don't know if keeping the 118mm would have had 
any adverse effects. I kept the front triple derailleur which worked fine 
with friction shifting after adjusting the limit screws. I've since moved 
to a 10 speed 11-34 cassette just because it was what I could find when I 
needed to replace it late last year, but everything still works flawlessly.

Mark
On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 5:50:56 PM UTC-4 Doug Williams wrote:

> Thanks very much, Patrick! As usual, very helpful.
>
> Doug
>
> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 4:30:06 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Doug: There are all sorts of reasons to buy the RH crank, foremost among 
>> which is its beauty. But if you want a cheaper, more utilitarian way to get 
>> the same result, consider converting the homely Sugino by removing the 46 
>> and replacing it with a guard (https://bbgbashguard.com), swapping the 
>> 36 for a 42, and considering whether you need to swap the 24 for a 26; but 
>> if you decide that you do, this is easy. 
>>
>> Then you can hold an interior debate about the cogs you need to change in 
>> the rear.
>>
>> The *upshot* is that you can leave the bb spindle and even the front 
>> derailleur strictly alone. 
>>
>> Some years ago I changed the 46-36-24 on my Fargo, long since sold, to a 
>> BBBashGuard/38/24 on the same Sugino XD2. I swapped the 7 cogs on the 
>> Shimano LX freehub for 9 different ones; IIRC, I simply bought 9-sp spacers 
>> and built a cassette from the cogs in my Big Box.
>>
>> Note this carefully: I *did not* change the bb assembly, I kept the same 
>> LX triple front derailleur, *and I didn't even** lower the front 
>> derailleur.* I simply adjusted the fd outer throw adjustment screw. 
>>
>> It all worked fine. Again, I did not lower the fd; just left it hanging 
>> with a huge gap over the outer, formerly middle, ring.
>>
>> But once again, the RH crank is indeed very pretty, and I am tempted to 
>> buy one myself simply for prettiness.
>>
>> Oh,
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 1:53 PM Doug Williams  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 58cm 650b A. Homer Hilsen that I purchased from Riv in 2014. I 
>>> have been loving it ever since! It has the Sugino Triple Crank 46-36-24 and 
>>> I run it all friction shifting with bar end silvers, 8 speed with a 11-32 
>>> cassette. The front derailer is Shimano Claris Triple. The bottom bracket 
>>> is  bbc110.
>>>
>>> So...I'm getting older and I notice I don't use the 46 ring much, at 
>>> least not with the higher gears in the back. I am definitely an "UnRacer" 
>>> anyway. I am thinking of getting the Rene Herse double cranks with 42-26 
>>> rings. If I go with the 8 speed megarange 11-34 cassette in the back, I 
>>> would give up almost nothing in the lower gears and lose just some high 
>>> gears that I rarely use anyway. So two questions:
>>>
>>> 1. Is my bottom bracket compatible with the Rene Herse cranks? I think 
>>> so, but I'm not sure. Would now be a good time to replace it anyway?
>>>
>>> 2. Should I just keep my Claris triple FD and crank in the limit screw 
>>> or go with something like the Shimano CX70 or some other double FD that 
>>> works well with compact 42-26 rings?
>>>
>>> Any other comments or suggestions would be welcome.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
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>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Converting 650b Hilsen to Rene Herse 42/26 cranks

[Doug Williams]

Thanks very much, Patrick! As usual, very helpful.

Doug

On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 4:30:06 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Doug: There are all sorts of reasons to buy the RH crank, foremost among 
> which is its beauty. But if you want a cheaper, more utilitarian way to get 
> the same result, consider converting the homely Sugino by removing the 46 
> and replacing it with a guard (https://bbgbashguard.com), swapping the 36 
> for a 42, and considering whether you need to swap the 24 for a 26; but if 
> you decide that you do, this is easy. 
>
> Then you can hold an interior debate about the cogs you need to change in 
> the rear.
>
> The *upshot* is that you can leave the bb spindle and even the front 
> derailleur strictly alone. 
>
> Some years ago I changed the 46-36-24 on my Fargo, long since sold, to a 
> BBBashGuard/38/24 on the same Sugino XD2. I swapped the 7 cogs on the 
> Shimano LX freehub for 9 different ones; IIRC, I simply bought 9-sp spacers 
> and built a cassette from the cogs in my Big Box.
>
> Note this carefully: I *did not* change the bb assembly, I kept the same 
> LX triple front derailleur, *and I didn't even** lower the front 
> derailleur.* I simply adjusted the fd outer throw adjustment screw. 
>
> It all worked fine. Again, I did not lower the fd; just left it hanging 
> with a huge gap over the outer, formerly middle, ring.
>
> But once again, the RH crank is indeed very pretty, and I am tempted to 
> buy one myself simply for prettiness.
>
> Oh,
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 1:53 PM Doug Williams  
> wrote:
>
>> I have a 58cm 650b A. Homer Hilsen that I purchased from Riv in 2014. I 
>> have been loving it ever since! It has the Sugino Triple Crank 46-36-24 and 
>> I run it all friction shifting with bar end silvers, 8 speed with a 11-32 
>> cassette. The front derailer is Shimano Claris Triple. The bottom bracket 
>> is  bbc110.
>>
>> So...I'm getting older and I notice I don't use the 46 ring much, at 
>> least not with the higher gears in the back. I am definitely an "UnRacer" 
>> anyway. I am thinking of getting the Rene Herse double cranks with 42-26 
>> rings. If I go with the 8 speed megarange 11-34 cassette in the back, I 
>> would give up almost nothing in the lower gears and lose just some high 
>> gears that I rarely use anyway. So two questions:
>>
>> 1. Is my bottom bracket compatible with the Rene Herse cranks? I think 
>> so, but I'm not sure. Would now be a good time to replace it anyway?
>>
>> 2. Should I just keep my Claris triple FD and crank in the limit screw or 
>> go with something like the Shimano CX70 or some other double FD that works 
>> well with compact 42-26 rings?
>>
>> Any other comments or suggestions would be welcome.
>>
>> Doug
>>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Converting 650b Hilsen to Rene Herse 42/26 cranks

[Patrick Moore]

Doug: There are all sorts of reasons to buy the RH crank, foremost among
which is its beauty. But if you want a cheaper, more utilitarian way to get
the same result, consider converting the homely Sugino by removing the 46
and replacing it with a guard (https://bbgbashguard.com), swapping the 36
for a 42, and considering whether you need to swap the 24 for a 26; but if
you decide that you do, this is easy.

Then you can hold an interior debate about the cogs you need to change in
the rear.

The *upshot* is that you can leave the bb spindle and even the front
derailleur strictly alone.

Some years ago I changed the 46-36-24 on my Fargo, long since sold, to a
BBBashGuard/38/24 on the same Sugino XD2. I swapped the 7 cogs on the
Shimano LX freehub for 9 different ones; IIRC, I simply bought 9-sp spacers
and built a cassette from the cogs in my Big Box.

Note this carefully: I *did not* change the bb assembly, I kept the same LX
triple front derailleur, *and I didn't even** lower the front derailleur.* I
simply adjusted the fd outer throw adjustment screw.

It all worked fine. Again, I did not lower the fd; just left it hanging
with a huge gap over the outer, formerly middle, ring.

But once again, the RH crank is indeed very pretty, and I am tempted to buy
one myself simply for prettiness.

Oh,



On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 1:53 PM Doug Williams 
wrote:

> I have a 58cm 650b A. Homer Hilsen that I purchased from Riv in 2014. I
> have been loving it ever since! It has the Sugino Triple Crank 46-36-24 and
> I run it all friction shifting with bar end silvers, 8 speed with a 11-32
> cassette. The front derailer is Shimano Claris Triple. The bottom bracket
> is  bbc110.
>
> So...I'm getting older and I notice I don't use the 46 ring much, at least
> not with the higher gears in the back. I am definitely an "UnRacer" anyway.
> I am thinking of getting the Rene Herse double cranks with 42-26 rings. If
> I go with the 8 speed megarange 11-34 cassette in the back, I would give up
> almost nothing in the lower gears and lose just some high gears that I
> rarely use anyway. So two questions:
>
> 1. Is my bottom bracket compatible with the Rene Herse cranks? I think so,
> but I'm not sure. Would now be a good time to replace it anyway?
>
> 2. Should I just keep my Claris triple FD and crank in the limit screw or
> go with something like the Shimano CX70 or some other double FD that works
> well with compact 42-26 rings?
>
> Any other comments or suggestions would be welcome.
>
> Doug
>
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[RBW] Converting 650b Hilsen to Rene Herse 42/26 cranks

[Doug Williams]

I have a 58cm 650b A. Homer Hilsen that I purchased from Riv in 2014. I 
have been loving it ever since! It has the Sugino Triple Crank 46-36-24 and 
I run it all friction shifting with bar end silvers, 8 speed with a 11-32 
cassette. The front derailer is Shimano Claris Triple. The bottom bracket 
is  bbc110.

So...I'm getting older and I notice I don't use the 46 ring much, at least 
not with the higher gears in the back. I am definitely an "UnRacer" anyway. 
I am thinking of getting the Rene Herse double cranks with 42-26 rings. If 
I go with the 8 speed megarange 11-34 cassette in the back, I would give up 
almost nothing in the lower gears and lose just some high gears that I 
rarely use anyway. So two questions:

1. Is my bottom bracket compatible with the Rene Herse cranks? I think so, 
but I'm not sure. Would now be a good time to replace it anyway?

2. Should I just keep my Claris triple FD and crank in the limit screw or 
go with something like the Shimano CX70 or some other double FD that works 
well with compact 42-26 rings?

Any other comments or suggestions would be welcome.

Doug

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