Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

2013-12-07 Thread Curtis McKenzie
Peter,

To bad about your brother. I hear there are effective treatments.

Curtis
On Saturday, December 7, 2013, Peter Morgano wrote:

 My brother is a numismatic and has said for 20 years that something is
 only worth what someone is gonna pay for it.  Sounds too simple but is
 capitalism at its core.
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 Nice!  Hey, I just paid $20 for NOS gum brake hoods for a project, so I
 can appreciate paying a little extra for rare stuff.

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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

2013-12-07 Thread Peter Morgano
Haha, try sharing a room with someone for 10 years who rattles off coin
prices all Damn night like they are the most interesting thing in the
world
On Dec 7, 2013 11:08 AM, Curtis McKenzie cmcy...@gmail.com wrote:

 Peter,

 To bad about your brother. I hear there are effective treatments.

 Curtis
 On Saturday, December 7, 2013, Peter Morgano wrote:

 My brother is a numismatic and has said for 20 years that something is
 only worth what someone is gonna pay for it.  Sounds too simple but is
 capitalism at its core.
 On Dec 7, 2013 10:46 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Nice!  Hey, I just paid $20 for NOS gum brake hoods for a project, so I
 can appreciate paying a little extra for rare stuff.

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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

2013-12-06 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with this. I might try a few of my 
treasures at ridiculous prices. 

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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

2013-12-06 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
There was a guy awhile back selling a chunk of nasty old used cable housing off 
his Rivendell. I think he was more poking fun at the high level of attention 
Riv items receive on eBay. And he was right! There is undoubtedly a premium 
associated with anything Riv-related (which extends to anything Nitto, etc). 
Some might argue that that premium is justified for various reasons, while 
others shake their heads at our rationale for forking over the big bucks for 
Riv-ish stuff. What, for example, justifies the 300% price ratio between a Sam 
Hillborne and a Surly Cross-check or the even larger differential between an 
Atlantis and LHT? They have similar ride quality and expected service life and 
are made by the same nice Taiwanese workers. The main differences are aesthetic 
and intangible feelings about the two companies/brands.

Determining value of an item is purely subjective. I personally wouldn't give a 
nickel for any of the old French or Campagnolo bike parts that go for huge 
money on eBay. I also wouldn't buy that Riv bottle even at a fair price. But 
somewhere out there is a person who'll buy that stuff at those prices and be 
happy about it.

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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

2013-12-06 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Don't disagree with your perspective, Jim, but this is a little 
different... This guy is misrepresenting what he's selling by implying it's 
essentially the 'original' equivalent of the Rivendell Nitto bars.  We all 
know that's not even close. A fair price for these would be $25-$65 (or 
even over $100 if someone is willing to pay it). There are plenty of these 
out there selling in this reasonable price range.  But this practice is 
simply unethical and shouldn't be tolerated.

On Friday, December 6, 2013 7:59:52 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 There was a guy awhile back selling a chunk of nasty old used cable 
 housing off his Rivendell. I think he was more poking fun at the high level 
 of attention Riv items receive on eBay. And he was right! There is 
 undoubtedly a premium associated with anything Riv-related (which extends 
 to anything Nitto, etc). Some might argue that that premium is justified 
 for various reasons, while others shake their heads at our rationale for 
 forking over the big bucks for Riv-ish stuff. What, for example, justifies 
 the 300% price ratio between a Sam Hillborne and a Surly Cross-check or the 
 even larger differential between an Atlantis and LHT? They have similar 
 ride quality and expected service life and are made by the same nice 
 Taiwanese workers. The main differences are aesthetic and intangible 
 feelings about the two companies/brands.

 Determining value of an item is purely subjective. I personally wouldn't 
 give a nickel for any of the old French or Campagnolo bike parts that go 
 for huge money on eBay. I also wouldn't buy that Riv bottle even at a fair 
 price. But somewhere out there is a person who'll buy that stuff at those 
 prices and be happy about it.


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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

2013-12-06 Thread Scott Henry
I don't know what really wrong with the bullmoose listing.   Maybe a word
in the title that you aren't happy with (Rivendell) but I would say that
its fair to use it because if you want the current version / price of the
bars, that's where you are going to get them.

I think the description is pretty much spot on:
The rare Nitto Bullmoose handlebar. Reproduced now by Rivendell. These
bars are in near new condition. CrMo construction with a 22.2mm (1) stem
diameter. Includes cable tensioner. Bars are original (uncut).

They are listed at a $150 buy it now price which might be a tad high, but
that's what eBay is about.  I would have figured closer to a $100.  That's
why the seller has a make offer option listed.  I think that sometimes we
forget that people don't list things on eBay so that the masses can
experience the joys of cycling.  They list on eBay to make money.  Period.

Cheers,
Scott Henry
Dayton, OH

FTM-PTB


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Montclair BobbyB
montclairbob...@gmail.comwrote:

 OK here's another one, only this dope is really stooping to new lows...
  first, by asking an outrageous price for a set of 80s bullmoose bars, but
 then using Vintage Rivendell in the title AND comparing these to the Riv
 Bullmoose bars...  Not only breaking eBay rules, but demonstrating he has
 absolutely no shame whatsoever... TOOL-meter registering a 10 !!!


 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nitto-Bullmoose-Handlebar-MTB-Vintage-Rivendell-/321267648890?_trksid=p2056016.l4276



 On Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:32:59 AM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Caveat emptor...

 *Once again proving PT Barnum's Corollary... There are also plenty o'
 scheisters out there...*



 On Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:04:23 AM UTC-5, Tim McNamara wrote:

 On Dec 5, 2013, at 3:51 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
 thil...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I often wondered about the business model of selling grossly
 overpriced items on eBay. Must be that suckers come along often enough to
 make it worth the time and cost.


 I always enjoy the auctions in which an item currently available in
 stores goes to the winner for 25% above current retail prices.  D'oh!
  Shop victoriously!

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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

2013-12-06 Thread Ron Mc
worth a try, isn't it.  I have made two purchases from pb-guy - the main 
guy being dissed here. He has bought rare items cheap on ebay and opened up 
a BIN concession.  He probably lists them for free and only pays fees when 
they sell - if they sell at outrageous price who cares.  In my case, I 
needed a campy DT shifter because I discovered I needed a larger cable drum 
to get sufficiently fast shifting.  I bought the rear shifter dirt-cheap in 
auction.  PB had the left shifter and I paid more than it should have cost 
by itself, but the two together were in my target range.  The other item 
was blue REG shift lever covers, which are always cheap compared to Campy, 
and are important to keep my moustache barcons from marking my toptube.  


On Friday, December 6, 2013 6:10:33 AM UTC-6, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 Personally, I don't see anything wrong with this. I might try a few of my 
 treasures at ridiculous prices. 

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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

2013-12-05 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I often wondered about the business model of selling grossly overpriced items 
on eBay. Must be that suckers come along often enough to make it worth the time 
and cost. 

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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

2013-12-05 Thread Tim McNamara
On Dec 5, 2013, at 3:51 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com 
wrote:
 
 I often wondered about the business model of selling grossly overpriced items 
 on eBay. Must be that suckers come along often enough to make it worth the 
 time and cost. 


I always enjoy the auctions in which an item currently available in stores goes 
to the winner for 25% above current retail prices.  D'oh!  Shop victoriously!

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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

2013-12-05 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Caveat emptor... 

*Once again proving PT Barnum's Corollary... There are also plenty o' 
scheisters out there...*



On Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:04:23 AM UTC-5, Tim McNamara wrote:

 On Dec 5, 2013, at 3:51 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
 thil...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: 
  
  I often wondered about the business model of selling grossly overpriced 
 items on eBay. Must be that suckers come along often enough to make it 
 worth the time and cost. 


 I always enjoy the auctions in which an item currently available in stores 
 goes to the winner for 25% above current retail prices.  D'oh!  Shop 
 victoriously!

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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

2013-12-05 Thread Montclair BobbyB
OK here's another one, only this dope is really stooping to new lows... 
 first, by asking an outrageous price for a set of 80s bullmoose bars, but 
then using Vintage Rivendell in the title AND comparing these to the Riv 
Bullmoose bars...  Not only breaking eBay rules, but demonstrating he has 
absolutely no shame whatsoever... TOOL-meter registering a 10 !!! 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nitto-Bullmoose-Handlebar-MTB-Vintage-Rivendell-/321267648890?_trksid=p2056016.l4276



On Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:32:59 AM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Caveat emptor... 

 *Once again proving PT Barnum's Corollary... There are also plenty o' 
 scheisters out there...*



 On Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:04:23 AM UTC-5, Tim McNamara wrote:

 On Dec 5, 2013, at 3:51 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
 thil...@gmail.com wrote: 
  
  I often wondered about the business model of selling grossly overpriced 
 items on eBay. Must be that suckers come along often enough to make it 
 worth the time and cost. 


 I always enjoy the auctions in which an item currently available in 
 stores goes to the winner for 25% above current retail prices.  D'oh! 
  Shop victoriously!



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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

2013-12-04 Thread cyclotourist
Nine hours people... set your alarm clocks!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/271314267002



On 11/6/13, Joe Broach joebro...@gmail.com wrote:
 Not sure I can justify drinking from my Riv bottles in this market...

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/271314267002?pt
 t=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f2b972b7ahttp://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/271314267002?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f2b972b7a

 But it was $100!

 Best,
 joe ships free, too! broach
 portland, or

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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

2013-11-09 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Then you'll be back on eBay lookin fer vintage parts fer that frameset...  Hah! 
 
(I'm sure you already got plenny-o-stuff in inventory).   Good luck, looks like 
you got a few chasin this one...  BB

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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

2013-11-09 Thread Bill Lindsay
Yes indeed.  It appears the requisite two are competitively bidding, now.  
That'll likely price me out.  

If I wanted to set that frame up vintage, I'd leave it alone.  I've had a 
long time ambition to do a 650B conversion on a mid 80's MUSA Schwinn.  
I've had a couple Paramounts, and was a big fan of the Peloton, Circuit, 
Prologue.  I think that thing could be really slick.  

On Saturday, November 9, 2013 6:54:22 AM UTC-8, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Then you'll be back on eBay lookin fer vintage parts fer that frameset... 
  Hah!  
 (I'm sure you already got plenny-o-stuff in inventory).   Good luck, looks 
 like you got a few chasin this one...  BB

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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

2013-11-08 Thread Lee Chae
I think you all are missing an important point: It's not just a water
bottle, it's a *bidon*.

Lee Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week in SF, CA


On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Joe Broach joebro...@gmail.com wrote:

 Not sure I can justify drinking from my Riv bottles in this market...

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/271314267002?pt
 t=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f2b972b7ahttp://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/271314267002?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f2b972b7a

 But it was $100!

 Best,
 joe ships free, too! broach
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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

2013-11-08 Thread Bill Lindsay
I have a bidon and a gilet in my musette.  

On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:05:39 AM UTC-8, Lee Chae wrote:

 I think you all are missing an important point: It's not just a water 
 bottle, it's a *bidon*. 

 Lee Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week in SF, CA


 On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Joe Broach joeb...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 Not sure I can justify drinking from my Riv bottles in this market...

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/271314267002?pt
  
 t=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f2b972b7ahttp://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/271314267002?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f2b972b7a

 But it was $100!

 Best,
 joe ships free, too! broach
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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

2013-11-08 Thread Lee Chae
What, do you own Twitter stock or something? Bidons on Bill, everyone.

Lee


On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a bidon and a gilet in my musette.


 On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:05:39 AM UTC-8, Lee Chae wrote:

 I think you all are missing an important point: It's not just a water
 bottle, it's a *bidon*.

 Lee Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week in SF, CA


 On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Joe Broach joeb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Not sure I can justify drinking from my Riv bottles in this market...

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-
 MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/271314267002?pt
 t=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f2b972b7ahttp://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/271314267002?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f2b972b7a

 But it was $100!

 Best,
 joe ships free, too! broach
 portland, or

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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

2013-11-08 Thread Montclair BobbyB
... and then you find a gem like this at a great price, once again 
restoring your faith ... halleluiah!!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nishiki-Olympic-12-Speed-Road-Bike-Vintage-1986-One-Owner-/321241381626?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4acb7a7afa

Anyone live near San Diego???  Snatch this one up (local pickup only)

BB

On Friday, November 8, 2013 1:20:12 PM UTC-5, Lee Chae wrote:

 What, do you own Twitter stock or something? Bidons on Bill, everyone.

 Lee


 On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 I have a bidon and a gilet in my musette.  


 On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:05:39 AM UTC-8, Lee Chae wrote:

 I think you all are missing an important point: It's not just a water 
 bottle, it's a *bidon*. 

 Lee Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week in SF, CA


 On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Joe Broach joeb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Not sure I can justify drinking from my Riv bottles in this market...

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-
 MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/271314267002?pt 
 t=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f2b972b7ahttp://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/271314267002?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f2b972b7a

 But it was $100!

 Best,
 joe ships free, too! broach
 portland, or

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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

2013-11-08 Thread Bill Lindsay
I'm on this one:

MUSA!http://www.ebay.com/itm/181255191434?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

A dented top tube on a pristine bike is my favorite way to RADICALLY reduce 
the price of a bike.  Part that bad-boy out, selling the retro-chic Sante 
bits to the hipsters and I'll have a frameset for free (or less!)

On Friday, November 8, 2013 4:37:07 PM UTC-8, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 ... and then you find a gem like this at a great price, once again 
 restoring your faith ... halleluiah!!!


 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nishiki-Olympic-12-Speed-Road-Bike-Vintage-1986-One-Owner-/321241381626?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4acb7a7afa

 Anyone live near San Diego???  Snatch this one up (local pickup only)

 BB

 On Friday, November 8, 2013 1:20:12 PM UTC-5, Lee Chae wrote:

 What, do you own Twitter stock or something? Bidons on Bill, everyone.

 Lee


 On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a bidon and a gilet in my musette.  


 On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:05:39 AM UTC-8, Lee Chae wrote:

 I think you all are missing an important point: It's not just a water 
 bottle, it's a *bidon*. 

 Lee Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week in SF, CA


 On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Joe Broach joeb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Not sure I can justify drinking from my Riv bottles in this market...

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-
 MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/271314267002?pt 
 t=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f2b972b7ahttp://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/271314267002?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f2b972b7a

 But it was $100!

 Best,
 joe ships free, too! broach
 portland, or

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[RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

2013-11-06 Thread Joe Broach
Not sure I can justify drinking from my Riv bottles in this market...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/271314267002?pt
t=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f2b972b7ahttp://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/271314267002?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f2b972b7a

But it was $100!

Best,
joe ships free, too! broach
portland, or

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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

2013-11-06 Thread cyclotourist
Free shipping!!!

On 11/6/13, Joe Broach joebro...@gmail.com wrote:
 Not sure I can justify drinking from my Riv bottles in this market...

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/271314267002?pt
 t=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f2b972b7ahttp://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/271314267002?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f2b972b7a

 But it was $100!

 Best,
 joe ships free, too! broach
 portland, or

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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

2013-11-06 Thread Robert F. Harrison
I just checked the Wayback machine and the bottle was $4 in July, 2002.
Even at $72 that's 18 times the price in just 11 years. Anyone want to buy
my Quickbeam, another item now unavailable, for $28,800? I paid more than
the original $1600 for mine as they had no complete builds when I got mine
so you are actually going to be getting a great deal - after all it's newer
than that water bottle. In fact, I'll tell you what...you buy it tonight
and I'll knock off 28%, just like the bottle, and give it to you for
$20,736 WITH FREE SHIPPING, even if you live in CONUS (I live in Hawaii but
just this once I'll ship to CONUS).


Aloha!

Bob



On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 6:06 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

 Free shipping!!!

 On 11/6/13, Joe Broach joebro...@gmail.com wrote:
  Not sure I can justify drinking from my Riv bottles in this market...
 
 
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/271314267002?pt
  t=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f2b972b7a
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/271314267002?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f2b972b7a
 
 
  But it was $100!
 
  Best,
  joe ships free, too! broach
  portland, or
 
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