Re: [RBW] Eleven speeds on a ten-speed hub

2015-11-27 Thread Kevin Lindsey 
Like most things in life, the 11-speed issue started out as a simple thing: 
in this case, a request from my wife for indexed shifting, as she wasn't 
sure she'd be comfortable taking one of her hands off the brakes to make 
the shift with bar ends or downtubes.  Fine, no problem, except no one 
seemed to have a 9- or 10-speed STI set-up for sale, just 11.  However, I 
found a great deal on an entire 11-speed groupo with a British bike shop 
and so placed the order.  It was all going swimmingly until I tried 
installing the 11-speed cluster on the 10-speed hub.
Last night, I removed one of the gears and the cluster now seems to fit 
snugly on the hub.  Whether it'll actually shift as it's supposed to is 
another matter entirely, however.  That remains to be seen.

On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 12:33:48 AM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> If you're thinking of going 11-speed...then you aren't thinking...
>
> Just kidding.
> I have been intrigued by the new 1x11 idea that is going on now.
> But I like friction shifting. And I don't like the fact that anything over 
> 32T makes the cogset look like a discus from the non-drive side. I don't 
> like the aesthetic. But I could probably get over it easily.
> And never having to shift up front again sounds interesting. And coggert 
> is always fun to think about.
>

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Re: [RBW] Eleven speeds on a ten-speed hub

2015-11-27 Thread Ron Mc 
the spacing will still be the same - seems like it should just be a matter 
of adjusting the cable length

On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 8:58:54 AM UTC-6, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> Like most things in life, the 11-speed issue started out as a simple 
> thing: in this case, a request from my wife for indexed shifting, as she 
> wasn't sure she'd be comfortable taking one of her hands off the brakes to 
> make the shift with bar ends or downtubes.  Fine, no problem, except no one 
> seemed to have a 9- or 10-speed STI set-up for sale, just 11.  However, I 
> found a great deal on an entire 11-speed groupo with a British bike shop 
> and so placed the order.  It was all going swimmingly until I tried 
> installing the 11-speed cluster on the 10-speed hub.
> Last night, I removed one of the gears and the cluster now seems to fit 
> snugly on the hub.  Whether it'll actually shift as it's supposed to is 
> another matter entirely, however.  That remains to be seen.
>
>
>>

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[RBW] Eleven speeds on a ten-speed hub

2015-11-26 Thread Kevin Lindsey 
I'm building a Sam for my wife and bought a complete Shimano 105 11-speed 
STI group for it.  Without thinking, I ordered a 650B wheel from Rivendell, 
only to find that it's a ten-speed hub.  Now, I know there are spacing 
issues with STI shifters, but I'm wondering what would happen if I simply 
removed the biggest gear from the 11-speed cluster and installed it on the 
hub.  Would the indexed shifting still work?  The spacing between the gears 
would remain the same and, in theory, I don't see how the transmission 
would know the difference.  However, I've built up enough bikes in my time 
to know that nothing (well, almost nothing) is that simple.  Before I have 
the local bike shop build me an entirely new 650B 135mm 11-speed wheel 
(which, by the way, apparently are only made now for disc brakes), I 
thought I'd ping the group and see if anyone has any ideas.
Thanks in advance,
Kevin

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Re: [RBW] Eleven speeds on a ten-speed hub

2015-11-26 Thread Jim Bronson 
Not true that 135 o.l.d. rear hubs are only made in disc.  Pretty much all
the boutique hub makers have them, for example:  http://www.whiteind.com/mi5
On Nov 26, 2015 11:38, "Kevin Lindsey"  wrote:

> I'm building a Sam for my wife and bought a complete Shimano 105 11-speed
> STI group for it.  Without thinking, I ordered a 650B wheel from Rivendell,
> only to find that it's a ten-speed hub.  Now, I know there are spacing
> issues with STI shifters, but I'm wondering what would happen if I simply
> removed the biggest gear from the 11-speed cluster and installed it on the
> hub.  Would the indexed shifting still work?  The spacing between the gears
> would remain the same and, in theory, I don't see how the transmission
> would know the difference.  However, I've built up enough bikes in my time
> to know that nothing (well, almost nothing) is that simple.  Before I have
> the local bike shop build me an entirely new 650B 135mm 11-speed wheel
> (which, by the way, apparently are only made now for disc brakes), I
> thought I'd ping the group and see if anyone has any ideas.
> Thanks in advance,
> Kevin
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Re: [RBW] Eleven speeds on a ten-speed hub

2015-11-26 Thread Lungimsam 
Coggery, that is.

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Re: [RBW] Eleven speeds on a ten-speed hub

2015-11-26 Thread Lungimsam 
If you're thinking of going 11-speed...then you aren't thinking...

Just kidding.
I have been intrigued by the new 1x11 idea that is going on now.
But I like friction shifting. And I don't like the fact that anything over 32T 
makes the cogset look like a discus from the non-drive side. I don't like the 
aesthetic. But I could probably get over it easily.
And never having to shift up front again sounds interesting. And coggert is 
always fun to think about.

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