Re: [RBW] Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[Joe Broach]

Classic Blackburn-style low riders have done well on my Romulus for several
tours. I just used p clamps. It will discolor the paint over time. Fork and
tubing are functionally equivalent to your 'bou. Go for it!

-joe in pdx

Caveat lector. Sent from a phone.

On Dec 28, 2016 1:24 PM, "Kieran J"  wrote:

Hi All,

Hope everyone is having a nice holiday season!

I'm curious about how the Rambouillet handles with different configs of a
front load. I've only ever really used a small Swift Bandito up on the
handlebar, but never anything more substantial.

Have any Ram owners ever:

   - somehow run low-rider panniers on the stock fork?
   - run low-rider panniers and an additional front bag on the stock fork?
   - had success with an aftermarket fork with a different trail figure?

Long story, I'm thinking of having a couple mods done to my Ram and new
powder done (the Creamsicle is cool, but doesn't match anything -
especially not all the red clothing I have). I would consider adding
mid-fork eyelets if running front low-riders appears to work well for the
bike.

Thanks!

Kieran

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[RBW] Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[Bill Lindsay]

I would have no hesitation whatsoever to trying a good lowrider on a 
Rambouillet. My personal favorite it the Nitto F27, but many people think that 
is too much money to spend on a rack.  I think it's a bargain at the going 
price. 

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Re: [RBW] Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[Patrick Moore]

I never used front low riders on my Ram (one of the later ones, FWIW), but
I did have them built and installed on my 2003 custom, and the bike handles
10 per side very well, and I've carried 20 per side, which made the
steering sluggish.

As Steve said, there's a huge difference between carrying a front load up
high over the wheel, and on low riders.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 9:51 PM, Kieran J  wrote:

> I will add that the most extreme (and yet possibly most logical) option
> would be to commission a new low-ish trail fork from Tom Matchak or another
> builder, and powder the whole shootin' match.
>
> I'm wanting to reserve that as a last and most sensible/costly resort.
>
> KJ
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Re: [RBW] Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[Kai Vierstra]

I've got front lowriders on my Quickbeam and it rides great with a balanced 
load.
-Kai 
Brooklyn NY 

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Re: [RBW] Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/29/2016 06:10 AM, Bruce Herbitter wrote:
The Ram fork is 1.0 non butted.  RBW sold the bike as a "light" tour 
capable bike, not intended as a front loader.


Ah, but you do not need a "front loader" to use lowriders.  They work 
fine with all geometries, basically.




The Saluki which is the same bike as the Hilsen today was the one sold 
as a medium tourer with front and rear pannier rack mounts, while 
Atlantis was the heavy tourer. A slot now possibly shared with 
Hunqapillar.


On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 9:06 PM, Steve Palincsar > wrote:



On 12/28/2016 08:15 PM, Bruce Herbitter wrote:

the fork is not intended for the weight either in the tubing
choice or the geometry. But you are correct, top rack and low
hung weight will be different.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Steve Palincsar
> wrote:

Yes, but a lowrider isn't like Marks rack.


On 12/28/2016 07:37 PM, Fullylugged wrote:

The bike wasn't designed as a front loader, which is why
the absence of mounts. I used a Marks rack on mine which
attaches with P-Clamps and didn't like te handling with
anything over about 5 lbs in it. YMMV.




8/5/8 OS (which is what the Rambouillet has) is, if I recall
correctly, about as stiff as 531 Tourist grade, 10/7/10 std
diameter, as was used in the Jack Taylor Tourist, one of the most
capable loaded touring bikes of its age.  73 degree head angle was
not unknown among touring bikes of the time either, I believe.



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Re: [RBW] Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[Bruce Herbitter]

The Ram fork is 1.0 non butted.  RBW sold the bike as a "light" tour
capable bike, not intended as a front loader.  The Saluki which is the same
bike as the Hilsen today was the one sold as a medium tourer with front and
rear pannier rack mounts, while Atlantis was the heavy tourer. A slot now
possibly shared with Hunqapillar.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 9:06 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
> On 12/28/2016 08:15 PM, Bruce Herbitter wrote:
>
> the fork is not intended for the weight either in the tubing choice or the
> geometry. But you are correct, top rack and low hung weight will be
> different.
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>> Yes, but a lowrider isn't like Marks rack.
>>
>>
>> On 12/28/2016 07:37 PM, Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>>> The bike wasn't designed as a front loader, which is why the absence of
>>> mounts. I used a Marks rack on mine which attaches with P-Clamps and didn't
>>> like te handling with anything over about 5 lbs in it.  YMMV.
>>>
>>>
>>
> 8/5/8 OS (which is what the Rambouillet has) is, if I recall correctly,
> about as stiff as 531 Tourist grade, 10/7/10 std diameter, as was used in
> the Jack Taylor Tourist, one of the most capable loaded touring bikes of
> its age.  73 degree head angle was not unknown among touring bikes of the
> time either, I believe.
>
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[RBW] Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[Kieran J]

I will add that the most extreme (and yet possibly most logical) option would 
be to commission a new low-ish trail fork from Tom Matchak or another builder, 
and powder the whole shootin' match. 

I'm wanting to reserve that as a last and most sensible/costly resort.

KJ

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Re: [RBW] Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/28/2016 08:15 PM, Bruce Herbitter wrote:
the fork is not intended for the weight either in the tubing choice or 
the geometry. But you are correct, top rack and low hung weight will 
be different.


On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Steve Palincsar > wrote:


Yes, but a lowrider isn't like Marks rack.


On 12/28/2016 07:37 PM, Fullylugged wrote:

The bike wasn't designed as a front loader, which is why the
absence of mounts. I used a Marks rack on mine which attaches
with P-Clamps and didn't like te handling with anything over
about 5 lbs in it.  YMMV.




8/5/8 OS (which is what the Rambouillet has) is, if I recall correctly, 
about as stiff as 531 Tourist grade, 10/7/10 std diameter, as was used 
in the Jack Taylor Tourist, one of the most capable loaded touring bikes 
of its age.  73 degree head angle was not unknown among touring bikes of 
the time either, I believe.


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Re: [RBW] Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[Bruce Herbitter]

the fork is not intended for the weight either in the tubing choice or the
geometry. But you are correct, top rack and low hung weight will be
different.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> Yes, but a lowrider isn't like Marks rack.
>
>
> On 12/28/2016 07:37 PM, Fullylugged wrote:
>
>> The bike wasn't designed as a front loader, which is why the absence of
>> mounts. I used a Marks rack on mine which attaches with P-Clamps and didn't
>> like te handling with anything over about 5 lbs in it.  YMMV.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[Steve Palincsar]

Yes, but a lowrider isn't like Marks rack.


On 12/28/2016 07:37 PM, Fullylugged wrote:

The bike wasn't designed as a front loader, which is why the absence of mounts. 
I used a Marks rack on mine which attaches with P-Clamps and didn't like te 
handling with anything over about 5 lbs in it.  YMMV.



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[RBW] Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[Fullylugged]

The bike wasn't designed as a front loader, which is why the absence of mounts. 
I used a Marks rack on mine which attaches with P-Clamps and didn't like te 
handling with anything over about 5 lbs in it.  YMMV.

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[RBW] Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[Kieran J]

Hi All,

Hope everyone is having a nice holiday season!

I'm curious about how the Rambouillet handles with different configs of a 
front load. I've only ever really used a small Swift Bandito up on the 
handlebar, but never anything more substantial. 

Have any Ram owners ever: 

   - somehow run low-rider panniers on the stock fork?
   - run low-rider panniers and an additional front bag on the stock fork?
   - had success with an aftermarket fork with a different trail figure?

Long story, I'm thinking of having a couple mods done to my Ram and new 
powder done (the Creamsicle is cool, but doesn't match anything - 
especially not all the red clothing I have). I would consider adding 
mid-fork eyelets if running front low-riders appears to work well for the 
bike.

Thanks!

Kieran

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