Re: [RBW] Getting Groceries - Someone has to, might as well enjoy it.

2017-11-14 Thread Deacon Patrick 
J, its a Silky saw. Japanese, it cuts on the draw rather than push, which is 
more effecient all around and allows for an agressive blade yet fine cut. They 
come smaller, but I use this one for trail work as I find it also, and with a 
bit of angle creativity I’ve cut through some impressive trees. We also use it 
for cutting our 2x4 furniture.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0014CA3JQ/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8=1

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Getting Groceries - Someone has to, might as well enjoy it.

2017-11-13 Thread J Imler 
Hey Deacon Patrick, 

Awesome errand rides! What is the saw in the Errandonnee 2017 post? I'm looking 
for a nice camp saw. 

Thanks. 

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Re: [RBW] Getting Groceries - Someone has to, might as well enjoy it.

2017-11-13 Thread Patrick Moore 
Oh, shucks, 'tweren't nothin. (Shuffle shuffle.) No, it's no big deal, and
I certainly enjoy riding my Riv even with a tail wagging load.

I never did use my Sam, owned for a year or so, for grocery shopping ...

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 6:58 PM, R Shannon  wrote:

> Patrick:
>
> Thanks very much; those are wonderful stories. I feel like a wuss carrying
> only 15-20 lbs. of groceries on my SamH, LOL! My grocery rides are about
> the same as yours too.
>
> Keep it upright!
>
> Best regards,
> Richard
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> Rich: I may well be far more tolerant of instability than many; also, my
>> grocery journeys tend to be short -- under 10 miles 1 way with detours, and
>> usually about 6-7 -- so I don't have to suffer instability for hours.
>>
>> I've carried up to 40 lb on it, in the rear only -- 45 max between front
>> and rear, and more on that later -- and find that it's best if the load is
>> no more than 30, distributed between the 2 rear panniers.
>>
>> An old 1973 Motobecane racing frame (well, it was 2nd tier model, I
>> think; Grand Record) with what felt like lighter tubing carried rear loads
>> better, oddly enough; 35 or more lbs in the rear, and this on a 11 oz Tubus
>> Fly rack. I carried up to 45 lb in the 2 rear panniers on that one.
>>
>> Back to the Curt: A year or so after this photo was taken, I had the bike
>> modified and powdercoated, and had new racks made, front lowriders as well
>> as a new rear rack. With the lowriders in place, I've carried a total of
>> ~45 lb: about 30 lb in the rear, ~15 in front, and the bike was less waggy
>> than with 40 in the rear alone, but it felt very sluggish to turn. I've
>> carried up to about 30 lb in front panniers alone, on lowriders, and it's
>> best with about 20 or less total in front, though even with 20 lb the
>> steering is quite sluggish -- perhaps I have to learn how to turn by
>> leaning instead of steering, with such front loads.
>>
>> Odd that the Motobecane should do so well at rear loads; though, being
>> built in the early '70s, it did have long stays -- skinny ones! The 58 cm
>> Ram I owned wasn't as good at load carrying, but it was better at rear
>> loads than the Curt, though not by much.
>>
>> The Curt is fine, though, for short loaded return journeys. I must load
>> up 45 lb on the Matthews and see how that does ...
>>
>> Long ago, I had a Fuji Royale "12 speed", which handled *best* with a
>> rear load! It was twitchy without any load, and stabilized with 20 lb in
>> the rear.
>>
>> One last aside: one of my first grocery bikes, long ago in WDC, was a 5
>> speed Raleigh Sprite, to which I attached a cheap Pletscher rack and those
>> saddlebag-type rear baskets, Between flex in rack and frame, it was almost
>> impossible to ride a straight line with a sizeable rear load, and my
>> trajectory was a series of gentle "S" bends -- good thing the store was
>> only 1/2 mile away.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 9:37 AM, RichS  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick, what is the most weight you’ve loaded on your good looking Curt
>>> and still felt the bike to be stable?
>>>
>>> Thanks very much,
>>> Richard
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Re: [RBW] Getting Groceries - Someone has to, might as well enjoy it.

2017-11-13 Thread R Shannon 
Patrick:

Thanks very much; those are wonderful stories. I feel like a wuss carrying
only 15-20 lbs. of groceries on my SamH, LOL! My grocery rides are about
the same as yours too.

Keep it upright!

Best regards,
Richard

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Rich: I may well be far more tolerant of instability than many; also, my
> grocery journeys tend to be short -- under 10 miles 1 way with detours, and
> usually about 6-7 -- so I don't have to suffer instability for hours.
>
> I've carried up to 40 lb on it, in the rear only -- 45 max between front
> and rear, and more on that later -- and find that it's best if the load is
> no more than 30, distributed between the 2 rear panniers.
>
> An old 1973 Motobecane racing frame (well, it was 2nd tier model, I think;
> Grand Record) with what felt like lighter tubing carried rear loads better,
> oddly enough; 35 or more lbs in the rear, and this on a 11 oz Tubus Fly
> rack. I carried up to 45 lb in the 2 rear panniers on that one.
>
> Back to the Curt: A year or so after this photo was taken, I had the bike
> modified and powdercoated, and had new racks made, front lowriders as well
> as a new rear rack. With the lowriders in place, I've carried a total of
> ~45 lb: about 30 lb in the rear, ~15 in front, and the bike was less waggy
> than with 40 in the rear alone, but it felt very sluggish to turn. I've
> carried up to about 30 lb in front panniers alone, on lowriders, and it's
> best with about 20 or less total in front, though even with 20 lb the
> steering is quite sluggish -- perhaps I have to learn how to turn by
> leaning instead of steering, with such front loads.
>
> Odd that the Motobecane should do so well at rear loads; though, being
> built in the early '70s, it did have long stays -- skinny ones! The 58 cm
> Ram I owned wasn't as good at load carrying, but it was better at rear
> loads than the Curt, though not by much.
>
> The Curt is fine, though, for short loaded return journeys. I must load up
> 45 lb on the Matthews and see how that does ...
>
> Long ago, I had a Fuji Royale "12 speed", which handled *best* with a
> rear load! It was twitchy without any load, and stabilized with 20 lb in
> the rear.
>
> One last aside: one of my first grocery bikes, long ago in WDC, was a 5
> speed Raleigh Sprite, to which I attached a cheap Pletscher rack and those
> saddlebag-type rear baskets, Between flex in rack and frame, it was almost
> impossible to ride a straight line with a sizeable rear load, and my
> trajectory was a series of gentle "S" bends -- good thing the store was
> only 1/2 mile away.
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 9:37 AM, RichS  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, what is the most weight you’ve loaded on your good looking Curt
>> and still felt the bike to be stable?
>>
>> Thanks very much,
>> Richard
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Re: [RBW] Getting Groceries - Someone has to, might as well enjoy it.

2017-11-13 Thread Patrick Moore 
Rich: I may well be far more tolerant of instability than many; also, my
grocery journeys tend to be short -- under 10 miles 1 way with detours, and
usually about 6-7 -- so I don't have to suffer instability for hours.

I've carried up to 40 lb on it, in the rear only -- 45 max between front
and rear, and more on that later -- and find that it's best if the load is
no more than 30, distributed between the 2 rear panniers.

An old 1973 Motobecane racing frame (well, it was 2nd tier model, I think;
Grand Record) with what felt like lighter tubing carried rear loads better,
oddly enough; 35 or more lbs in the rear, and this on a 11 oz Tubus Fly
rack. I carried up to 45 lb in the 2 rear panniers on that one.

Back to the Curt: A year or so after this photo was taken, I had the bike
modified and powdercoated, and had new racks made, front lowriders as well
as a new rear rack. With the lowriders in place, I've carried a total of
~45 lb: about 30 lb in the rear, ~15 in front, and the bike was less waggy
than with 40 in the rear alone, but it felt very sluggish to turn. I've
carried up to about 30 lb in front panniers alone, on lowriders, and it's
best with about 20 or less total in front, though even with 20 lb the
steering is quite sluggish -- perhaps I have to learn how to turn by
leaning instead of steering, with such front loads.

Odd that the Motobecane should do so well at rear loads; though, being
built in the early '70s, it did have long stays -- skinny ones! The 58 cm
Ram I owned wasn't as good at load carrying, but it was better at rear
loads than the Curt, though not by much.

The Curt is fine, though, for short loaded return journeys. I must load up
45 lb on the Matthews and see how that does ...

Long ago, I had a Fuji Royale "12 speed", which handled *best* with a rear
load! It was twitchy without any load, and stabilized with 20 lb in the
rear.

One last aside: one of my first grocery bikes, long ago in WDC, was a 5
speed Raleigh Sprite, to which I attached a cheap Pletscher rack and those
saddlebag-type rear baskets, Between flex in rack and frame, it was almost
impossible to ride a straight line with a sizeable rear load, and my
trajectory was a series of gentle "S" bends -- good thing the store was
only 1/2 mile away.

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 9:37 AM, RichS  wrote:

> Patrick, what is the most weight you’ve loaded on your good looking Curt
> and still felt the bike to be stable?
>
> Thanks very much,
> Richard
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Re: [RBW] Getting Groceries - Someone has to, might as well enjoy it.

2017-11-13 Thread RichS 
Patrick, what is the most weight you’ve loaded on your good looking Curt and 
still felt the bike to be stable?

Thanks very much,
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Re: [RBW] Getting Groceries - Someone has to, might as well enjoy it.

2017-11-13 Thread Patrick Moore 
To pad the frame or fork at the appropriate place when locking the bike to
a rack, to prevent scratching. But it fell off, and I forgot all about it.
(I often just wheel my bike into the store, anyway.)

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 7:19 AM, ascpgh  wrote:

> Patrick, what's the pipe insulation (?) around the bottom of the seat tube
> do?
>
> Andy Cheatham
> PIttsburgh
>
> On Sunday, November 12, 2017 at 9:45:33 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> The '03 Curt has undergone changes since this photo was taken more than 3
>> years ago, but it still carries grocery loads.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 7:24 PM, J Imler  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm inspired to keep a cycling lifestyle by others posts, blogs, and
>>> sites. Here's a little something from me.
>>>
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/lifecyclecyclelife/home/mega-g
>>> rocery-gettin
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Re: [RBW] Getting Groceries - Someone has to, might as well enjoy it.

2017-11-13 Thread Deacon Patrick 
I’ll play. I agree a trailer is a wonderful thing, and I may start using it 
more as I have more purposeful rides up the pass to the grocery (five miles 
with around a thousand feet of climbing) as I test using my Quickbeam as more 
my daily ride bike. Here’s what I’ve done semi-recently...

Grocery runs:
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/hungry-hungry-hunqapillar/

Errandonee 2017
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/errandonee-2017/

Lumber
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/getting-into-hand-powered-woodworking/

There’s a better way (and for me it’s called my wife and our mini-van). Live 
and learn. Grin.
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/theres-a-smarter-way-to-haul-lumber-on-a-bike-but-i-aint/

With grinning abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Getting Groceries - Someone has to, might as well enjoy it.

2017-11-13 Thread ascpgh 
Patrick, what's the pipe insulation (?) around the bottom of the seat tube 
do?

Andy Cheatham
PIttsburgh

On Sunday, November 12, 2017 at 9:45:33 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The '03 Curt has undergone changes since this photo was taken more than 3 
> years ago, but it still carries grocery loads.
>
> On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 7:24 PM, J Imler  
> wrote:
>
>> I'm inspired to keep a cycling lifestyle by others posts, blogs, and 
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>>
>> https://sites.google.com/site/lifecyclecyclelife/home/mega-grocery-gettin
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[RBW] Getting Groceries - Someone has to, might as well enjoy it.

2017-11-12 Thread J Imler 
I'm inspired to keep a cycling lifestyle by others posts, blogs, and sites. 
Here's a little something from me.

https://sites.google.com/site/lifecyclecyclelife/home/mega-grocery-gettin

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