Re: [RBW] Has anyone used trekking / butterfly bars on a Rivendell?

[Tim Gavin]

Dave-

Trekking bars have a 22.2 mm grip diameter, and they use MTB controls (road
bars have a 23.8 mm grip diameter).  That 22.2 diameter means the ends are
usually too small to insert bar-end shifters.

However, Nitto makes Albatross bars for Rivendell that are 22.2 AND fit
bar-end shifters.
So, though I doubt that any butterfly/trekking bar can fit bar-end
shifters, the Nitto 825 would be the most likely suspect to do so.

Also, I think bar-end shifters on a trekking bar would be weird and
un-ergonomic.  Seems like a perfect application for thumb shifters.

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:09 PM, Dave Redmon  wrote:

> Rene, I saw your post from 6 or 7 years ago. At 74, I too am thinking that
> the Nitto butterfly/trekking bar might solve my arm ache problems. Did you
> decide to keep them? Can you insert bar end shifters?
>
> Dave in Kansas
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[RBW] Has anyone used trekking / butterfly bars on a Rivendell?

[Garth]

Of all the butterfly I have seen, and there are many, the Nitto seems the only 
one that I would try as it is the only ergonmically designed one for all hand 
positions. All the others have the open ends straight across 90 degrees and 0 
degrees flat, which is not natural at all. Hold a straight bar with both hands 
shoulder width apart, it just does not feel natural, the wrists are not like 
that. 

I would also be concerned with knee clearance while standing, but again the 
Nitto having some upward rise in the ends may be enough, it depends on each 
rider and their setup and body shape. 

Thanks for the posting the idea and your experience Rene ☺

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Re: [RBW] Has anyone used trekking / butterfly bars on a Rivendell?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I have tried the VO/Daija version on three different bikes but not yet on my 
only Riv(Clem H.). Like Ken suggested I found that stem length needed to be 
chosen to optimize one grip area, which puts the others in less desirable 
territory, or you may end up compromising on all the grip areas only to find 
you are not happy with any of them.  I tried them both with mtb levers/shifters 
on the flat rearward section and with road levers i. The curve a la 
moustache/Albastache and came to prefer the latter.  The last frame I tried 
them was a single speed it so I had no shifter location to address and ended up 
rarely using the rear/flats once I settled on a stem to optimize the sides and 
front curves so I essentially used them as a moustache bar and found that I hit 
my knees on the rear flats during out of saddle climbs more than I used them as 
grips while cruising so I eventually replaced with a moustache anyway.  I also 
found the rear inner flats a bit too narrow for my liking.  You may have better 
luck than I depending on top tube length and your preferred grip section and 
stem lengths.  The best thing about the bar is that there is no right or wrong 
way to install them.  You could flip/rotate and put the narrow flats out front 
with rise instead of drop but I never tried that once I found I preferred the 
moustache with drop bar lever type setup.

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ

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[RBW] Has anyone used trekking / butterfly bars on a Rivendell?

[Dave Redmon]

Rene, I saw your post from 6 or 7 years ago. At 74, I too am thinking that the 
Nitto butterfly/trekking bar might solve my arm ache problems. Did you decide 
to keep them? Can you insert bar end shifters? 

Dave in Kansas

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[RBW] Has anyone used trekking / butterfly bars on a Rivendell?

[Rene Sterental]

Trying to see if I can manage to get completely rid of my left shoulder/neck
pain, I've decided to try installing Trekking bars on my Atlantis. Figuring
out that I'm only going to get to do this once, I've ordered a Nitto B825AA
Touring Bar (Trekking/Butterfly style) and a Modolo Yuma Trekking bar. I had
ordered this one first, and then found out that Nitto had a version that
someone in one of the bike forums recommended as being much better than the
Modolo so I ordered one as well figuring out that the one I don't like I can
always sell, and if I don't like them at all I can sell both.

Reviews and online discussions show that a number of people have found the
solution to their comfort/fit problems with these bars, and that they're
very popular in Europe. Has anyone on this list tried them at all?

While these bars arrive later this week, I put my Moustache bars on the
Atlantis with the 8cm Dirt Drop stem to see how it would fit. I had only
used them back on the Bombadil but they hurt my hands. The shorter top tube
on the Atlantis puts them at a much nicer range, but after a couple of short
rides with no tape (and no rear brake), I can't quite make up my mind if
they're going to be more comfortable than the Noodles or not. They seemed
very nice, and I liked the position with the stem at almost full rise.

It seems to me, based on how I felt with the M-bars, that the Trekking bars
will address the following concerns:
- Lack of straight section where the brake levers are on the M-bars
- Lack of angle on the straight sections of the M-bars that angles out
instead of being straight back
- Additional close horizontal section for fully upright riding at slow
speeds.

I'm thinking I'm going to set the brake levers on the Trekking bars just
like they go on the M-bars instead of the usual setup on the rear (close to
the body) straight sections and I ordered a set of Paul's bar-end shifter
pods to explore where to put the shifters for optimal placement. I have
several ideas in mind, but will have to do some playing around first to see
if they make sense at all.

Finally, since these bars are 25.4, I ordered a 10 and an 8cm Nitto Dirt
Drop stems so I can fine tune the fit and avoid using the shims on the 26.0
Nitto Dirt Drop stem.

I appreciate any feedback or suggestions regarding the best way to leverage
these bars to see if I can finally take care of my neck!

Thanks to all,

René

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Re: [RBW] Has anyone used trekking / butterfly bars on a Rivendell?

[Ken Freeman]

I tried a set of them on my wife's Breezer, with odd results. Essentially,
the near grips are VERY near, the far grips are VERY far, and the side grips
are very widely spaced.  She went back to the original MTB bars, and was
happier.  The stem length can be optimized for one of the hand posiitons,
but then the others are very far out, with a large distance from the good
position.  She's now (2 years after going back to MTB bars) happiest with
Georgena Terry road bars.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 2:28 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:

 Trying to see if I can manage to get completely rid of my left
 shoulder/neck pain, I've decided to try installing Trekking bars on my
 Atlantis. Figuring out that I'm only going to get to do this once, I've
 ordered a Nitto B825AA Touring Bar (Trekking/Butterfly style) and a Modolo
 Yuma Trekking bar. I had ordered this one first, and then found out that
 Nitto had a version that someone in one of the bike forums recommended as
 being much better than the Modolo so I ordered one as well figuring out that
 the one I don't like I can always sell, and if I don't like them at all I
 can sell both.

 Reviews and online discussions show that a number of people have found the
 solution to their comfort/fit problems with these bars, and that they're
 very popular in Europe. Has anyone on this list tried them at all?

 While these bars arrive later this week, I put my Moustache bars on the
 Atlantis with the 8cm Dirt Drop stem to see how it would fit. I had only
 used them back on the Bombadil but they hurt my hands. The shorter top tube
 on the Atlantis puts them at a much nicer range, but after a couple of short
 rides with no tape (and no rear brake), I can't quite make up my mind if
 they're going to be more comfortable than the Noodles or not. They seemed
 very nice, and I liked the position with the stem at almost full rise.

 It seems to me, based on how I felt with the M-bars, that the Trekking bars
 will address the following concerns:
 - Lack of straight section where the brake levers are on the M-bars
 - Lack of angle on the straight sections of the M-bars that angles out
 instead of being straight back
 - Additional close horizontal section for fully upright riding at slow
 speeds.

 I'm thinking I'm going to set the brake levers on the Trekking bars just
 like they go on the M-bars instead of the usual setup on the rear (close to
 the body) straight sections and I ordered a set of Paul's bar-end shifter
 pods to explore where to put the shifters for optimal placement. I have
 several ideas in mind, but will have to do some playing around first to see
 if they make sense at all.

 Finally, since these bars are 25.4, I ordered a 10 and an 8cm Nitto Dirt
 Drop stems so I can fine tune the fit and avoid using the shims on the 26.0
 Nitto Dirt Drop stem.

 I appreciate any feedback or suggestions regarding the best way to leverage
 these bars to see if I can finally take care of my neck!

 Thanks to all,

 René

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Re: [RBW] Has anyone used trekking / butterfly bars on a Rivendell?

[Kenneth Stagg]

On Wednesday, June 1, 2011, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
  Reviews and online discussions show that a number of people have found the 
 solution to their comfort/fit problems with these bars, and
 that they're very popular in Europe. Has anyone on this list tried them at 
 all?

Not on my 'Riv' (actually a Heron) but I have the on the tandem but
only because then only  shifter (that I know of at least) for the
Rohloff is the damned twist shifter.  I found that I needed a much
longer stem than when I was using drop bars, but if you're able to
mount your shifter pods out on the reach portion that might take care
of that issue - the twist shifter won't go out there.

All in all I'm not a huge fan but they work OK for me as long as I
keep the rides fairly short and casual.  Anything longer than 40 miles
and I start to really wish for me standard bars.  I keep saying I'm
going to try to work up a bar end shifter for the Rohloff and ditch
the trekking bars for good.

My wife, OTOH, loves them in the stoker's compartment.

-Ken

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