Re: [RBW] Interesting Riv

[Ian A]

Those are much clearer pictures and there is no doubt the fork and frame 
were made together considering the lug details.  B1 is a very cool serial 
number! Post some ride reports when you have it all dialed in. Congrats on 
such a great acquisition.

IanA

On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 9:04:35 AM UTC-6 dub_...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the comments team.
>
> The serial is B 1 
>
> Some more pics now its cleaned up. 
>
> Fork is def original to frame and in keeping with the crown used in this 
> era as far as I can see.
>
> On Sunday, 27 June 2021 at 16:18:14 UTC+10 Ian A wrote:
>
>> The frame has some of the details of a Canti Long Low without the Joe 
>> Bell paint. The fork has some type of mid fork braze on (looking at the 
>> photos on mobile). Mid fork braze ons weren't really a Riv thing in the 
>> beginning, were they? It almost looks like the frame was given an 
>> available/appropriate fork. Probably a nicely made fork nonetheless.
>>
>> It is clearly a quality bike and probably rides wonderfully. I rather 
>> like the patina too. 
>>
>> IanA Alberta Canada
>>
>> On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 11:17:27 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> The lugs look right, but you're right about the fork. Maybe that's why 
>>> it didn't turn into a production frame this way? But yeah, we need the 
>>> serial number. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 7:57:47 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
 The "Protovelo" stickers were later - maybe '05 or so...  they were 
 created to sell frames which were laying about in the warehouse. I've 
 never 
 seen those applied to bikes which weren't pretty close to production 
 models 
 - might have used a different dropout without fender/rack mounts or had 
 braze-ons for cable routing in a weird place. Most I've seen had received 
 quality powder coating or paint.

 It does seem to have a "star" under the bottle boss, but Riv were't the 
 only ones doing those types of details. 

 On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 6:13:24 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

>
> I always thought Rivendell marked their prototypes as Protovelo
> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 7:14:13 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> I had a similar Road Custom that was designed around 700 x 28s 
>> w/cantis. This was before longer reach dual pivots were introduced. Steve
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:49 AM dub...@hotmail.com <
>> dub...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Team,
>>>
>>> Purchased this one on ebay and the story is that its a Prototype 
>>> Rivendell 
>>>
>>> Anyone have any ideas on it's back ground?
>>>
>>> SN M1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Adrian the Aussie
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Interesting Riv

[Joe Bernard]

Bilenky?



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Re: [RBW] Interesting Riv

[Christopher Cote]

I seem to recall reading that when Rivendell was starting out, before they 
locked in Waterford as the builder, they had sample frames made by a few 
builders. The only name I can recall is Richard Sachs. I wonder if this is 
a sample frame made by a builder identified as "B".

Chris

On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 11:04:35 AM UTC-4 dub_...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the comments team.
>
> The serial is B 1 
>
> Some more pics now its cleaned up. 
>
> Fork is def original to frame and in keeping with the crown used in this 
> era as far as I can see.
>
> On Sunday, 27 June 2021 at 16:18:14 UTC+10 Ian A wrote:
>
>> The frame has some of the details of a Canti Long Low without the Joe 
>> Bell paint. The fork has some type of mid fork braze on (looking at the 
>> photos on mobile). Mid fork braze ons weren't really a Riv thing in the 
>> beginning, were they? It almost looks like the frame was given an 
>> available/appropriate fork. Probably a nicely made fork nonetheless.
>>
>> It is clearly a quality bike and probably rides wonderfully. I rather 
>> like the patina too. 
>>
>> IanA Alberta Canada
>>
>> On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 11:17:27 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> The lugs look right, but you're right about the fork. Maybe that's why 
>>> it didn't turn into a production frame this way? But yeah, we need the 
>>> serial number. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 7:57:47 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
 The "Protovelo" stickers were later - maybe '05 or so...  they were 
 created to sell frames which were laying about in the warehouse. I've 
 never 
 seen those applied to bikes which weren't pretty close to production 
 models 
 - might have used a different dropout without fender/rack mounts or had 
 braze-ons for cable routing in a weird place. Most I've seen had received 
 quality powder coating or paint.

 It does seem to have a "star" under the bottle boss, but Riv were't the 
 only ones doing those types of details. 

 On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 6:13:24 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

>
> I always thought Rivendell marked their prototypes as Protovelo
> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 7:14:13 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> I had a similar Road Custom that was designed around 700 x 28s 
>> w/cantis. This was before longer reach dual pivots were introduced. Steve
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:49 AM dub...@hotmail.com <
>> dub...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Team,
>>>
>>> Purchased this one on ebay and the story is that its a Prototype 
>>> Rivendell 
>>>
>>> Anyone have any ideas on it's back ground?
>>>
>>> SN M1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Adrian the Aussie
>>>
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>> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>>
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Re: [RBW] Interesting Riv

[David Hallerman]

Speaking of Protovelo, here’s one for sale in NYC.

https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/d/new-york-rivendell-bicycle-works-cm/7342042431.html

Dave, who has an incoming Riv so needs to ignore ads like this

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 10:57 AM Cyclofiend Jim 
wrote:

> The "Protovelo" stickers were later - maybe '05 or so...  they were
> created to sell frames which were laying about in the warehouse. I've never
> seen those applied to bikes which weren't pretty close to production models
> - might have used a different dropout without fender/rack mounts or had
> braze-ons for cable routing in a weird place. Most I've seen had received
> quality powder coating or paint.
>
> It does seem to have a "star" under the bottle boss, but Riv were't the
> only ones doing those types of details.
>
> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 6:13:24 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>>
>> I always thought Rivendell marked their prototypes as Protovelo
>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 7:14:13 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>
>>> I had a similar Road Custom that was designed around 700 x 28s w/cantis.
>>> This was before longer reach dual pivots were introduced. Steve
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:49 AM dub...@hotmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Team,

 Purchased this one on ebay and the story is that its a Prototype
 Rivendell

 Anyone have any ideas on it's back ground?

 SN M1






 Regards

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Re: [RBW] Interesting Riv

[Ian A]

The frame has some of the details of a Canti Long Low without the Joe Bell 
paint. The fork has some type of mid fork braze on (looking at the photos 
on mobile). Mid fork braze ons weren't really a Riv thing in the beginning, 
were they? It almost looks like the frame was given an 
available/appropriate fork. Probably a nicely made fork nonetheless.

It is clearly a quality bike and probably rides wonderfully. I rather like 
the patina too. 

IanA Alberta Canada

On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 11:17:27 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The lugs look right, but you're right about the fork. Maybe that's why it 
> didn't turn into a production frame this way? But yeah, we need the serial 
> number. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 7:57:47 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>> The "Protovelo" stickers were later - maybe '05 or so...  they were 
>> created to sell frames which were laying about in the warehouse. I've never 
>> seen those applied to bikes which weren't pretty close to production models 
>> - might have used a different dropout without fender/rack mounts or had 
>> braze-ons for cable routing in a weird place. Most I've seen had received 
>> quality powder coating or paint.
>>
>> It does seem to have a "star" under the bottle boss, but Riv were't the 
>> only ones doing those types of details. 
>>
>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 6:13:24 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I always thought Rivendell marked their prototypes as Protovelo
>>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 7:14:13 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>>
 I had a similar Road Custom that was designed around 700 x 28s 
 w/cantis. This was before longer reach dual pivots were introduced. Steve

 On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:49 AM dub...@hotmail.com  
 wrote:

> Hi Team,
>
> Purchased this one on ebay and the story is that its a Prototype 
> Rivendell 
>
> Anyone have any ideas on it's back ground?
>
> SN M1
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Adrian the Aussie
>
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Re: [RBW] Interesting Riv

[exliontamer]

I don't know enough about the way Riv does prototypes but the clearance, 
spacing, and angles look a lot like an old canti-Romulus that I had. The 
lugs are way fancier on this though. Maybe a proto Legolas? It does look 
like an older model than with of those.  Either way it's a super cool frame.

On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 1:20:27 PM UTC-5 Mike Godwin wrote:

> The one-off MUSA Atlantis (2015-ish) had no serial number. It had about 1 
> cm longer chainstays than a Toyo made Atlantis, with all the brazeons of an 
> Appaloosa.  Got in trade for a Roadeo. 
>
> Mike SLO CA  
>
> On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 10:17:27 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The lugs look right, but you're right about the fork. Maybe that's why it 
>> didn't turn into a production frame this way? But yeah, we need the serial 
>> number. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 7:57:47 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>>> The "Protovelo" stickers were later - maybe '05 or so...  they were 
>>> created to sell frames which were laying about in the warehouse. I've never 
>>> seen those applied to bikes which weren't pretty close to production models 
>>> - might have used a different dropout without fender/rack mounts or had 
>>> braze-ons for cable routing in a weird place. Most I've seen had received 
>>> quality powder coating or paint.
>>>
>>> It does seem to have a "star" under the bottle boss, but Riv were't the 
>>> only ones doing those types of details. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 6:13:24 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>

 I always thought Rivendell marked their prototypes as Protovelo
 On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 7:14:13 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> I had a similar Road Custom that was designed around 700 x 28s 
> w/cantis. This was before longer reach dual pivots were introduced. Steve
>
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:49 AM dub...@hotmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Team,
>>
>> Purchased this one on ebay and the story is that its a Prototype 
>> Rivendell 
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas on it's back ground?
>>
>> SN M1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Adrian the Aussie
>>
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Re: [RBW] Interesting Riv

[Mike Godwin]

The one-off MUSA Atlantis (2015-ish) had no serial number. It had about 1 
cm longer chainstays than a Toyo made Atlantis, with all the brazeons of an 
Appaloosa.  Got in trade for a Roadeo. 

Mike SLO CA  

On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 10:17:27 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The lugs look right, but you're right about the fork. Maybe that's why it 
> didn't turn into a production frame this way? But yeah, we need the serial 
> number. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 7:57:47 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>> The "Protovelo" stickers were later - maybe '05 or so...  they were 
>> created to sell frames which were laying about in the warehouse. I've never 
>> seen those applied to bikes which weren't pretty close to production models 
>> - might have used a different dropout without fender/rack mounts or had 
>> braze-ons for cable routing in a weird place. Most I've seen had received 
>> quality powder coating or paint.
>>
>> It does seem to have a "star" under the bottle boss, but Riv were't the 
>> only ones doing those types of details. 
>>
>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 6:13:24 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I always thought Rivendell marked their prototypes as Protovelo
>>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 7:14:13 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>>
 I had a similar Road Custom that was designed around 700 x 28s 
 w/cantis. This was before longer reach dual pivots were introduced. Steve

 On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:49 AM dub...@hotmail.com  
 wrote:

> Hi Team,
>
> Purchased this one on ebay and the story is that its a Prototype 
> Rivendell 
>
> Anyone have any ideas on it's back ground?
>
> SN M1
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Adrian the Aussie
>
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Re: [RBW] Interesting Riv

[Joe Bernard]

The lugs look right, but you're right about the fork. Maybe that's why it 
didn't turn into a production frame this way? But yeah, we need the serial 
number. 



On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 7:57:47 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> The "Protovelo" stickers were later - maybe '05 or so...  they were 
> created to sell frames which were laying about in the warehouse. I've never 
> seen those applied to bikes which weren't pretty close to production models 
> - might have used a different dropout without fender/rack mounts or had 
> braze-ons for cable routing in a weird place. Most I've seen had received 
> quality powder coating or paint.
>
> It does seem to have a "star" under the bottle boss, but Riv were't the 
> only ones doing those types of details. 
>
> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 6:13:24 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>>
>> I always thought Rivendell marked their prototypes as Protovelo
>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 7:14:13 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>
>>> I had a similar Road Custom that was designed around 700 x 28s w/cantis. 
>>> This was before longer reach dual pivots were introduced. Steve
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:49 AM dub...@hotmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Team,

 Purchased this one on ebay and the story is that its a Prototype 
 Rivendell 

 Anyone have any ideas on it's back ground?

 SN M1






 Regards

 Adrian the Aussie

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Re: [RBW] Interesting Riv

[Cyclofiend Jim]

The "Protovelo" stickers were later - maybe '05 or so...  they were created 
to sell frames which were laying about in the warehouse. I've never seen 
those applied to bikes which weren't pretty close to production models - 
might have used a different dropout without fender/rack mounts or had 
braze-ons for cable routing in a weird place. Most I've seen had received 
quality powder coating or paint.

It does seem to have a "star" under the bottle boss, but Riv were't the 
only ones doing those types of details. 

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 6:13:24 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

>
> I always thought Rivendell marked their prototypes as Protovelo
> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 7:14:13 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> I had a similar Road Custom that was designed around 700 x 28s w/cantis. 
>> This was before longer reach dual pivots were introduced. Steve
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:49 AM dub...@hotmail.com  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Team,
>>>
>>> Purchased this one on ebay and the story is that its a Prototype 
>>> Rivendell 
>>>
>>> Anyone have any ideas on it's back ground?
>>>
>>> SN M1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Adrian the Aussie
>>>
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>>> 
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>>
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Re: [RBW] Interesting Riv

[Steven Sweedler]

Johnny, mine was designed as a custom, definitely not a prototype
Steve

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 9:13 AM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

>
> I always thought Rivendell marked their prototypes as Protovelo
> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 7:14:13 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> I had a similar Road Custom that was designed around 700 x 28s w/cantis.
>> This was before longer reach dual pivots were introduced. Steve
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:49 AM dub...@hotmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Team,
>>>
>>> Purchased this one on ebay and the story is that its a Prototype
>>> Rivendell
>>>
>>> Anyone have any ideas on it's back ground?
>>>
>>> SN M1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Adrian the Aussie
>>>
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>>
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Re: [RBW] Interesting Riv

[Johnny Alien]

I always thought Rivendell marked their prototypes as Protovelo
On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 7:14:13 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> I had a similar Road Custom that was designed around 700 x 28s w/cantis. 
> This was before longer reach dual pivots were introduced. Steve
>
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:49 AM dub...@hotmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Team,
>>
>> Purchased this one on ebay and the story is that its a Prototype 
>> Rivendell 
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas on it's back ground?
>>
>> SN M1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Adrian the Aussie
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Re: [RBW] Interesting Riv

[Steven Sweedler]

I had a similar Road Custom that was designed around 700 x 28s w/cantis.
This was before longer reach dual pivots were introduced. Steve

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:49 AM dub_...@hotmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi Team,
>
> Purchased this one on ebay and the story is that its a Prototype Rivendell
>
> Anyone have any ideas on it's back ground?
>
> SN M1
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Adrian the Aussie
>
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