Re: [RBW] Interesting Simple One mod into "touring/cx" bike

[Christopher Murray]

I agree with you Patrick. The difference I see is that altering your custom to 
fit your riding style makes logical sense. Seems the purpose of a custom is to 
be exactly what the customer wants and therefore your changes were a 
fulfillment of that ideal. I am not passing judgment on the SO owner just 
wondering about their logic. I would think the mods costs as much as the frame 
itself. All to make a bike the SO was never meant to be.

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Re: [RBW] Interesting Simple One mod into "touring/cx" bike

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/30/2015 10:43 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:
No, what I wanted would have required a new custom even after the 
singles came out, since the QB and SO don't have what I want in a 
fixed gear bike.


Likewise without the "destructive" mods, I would not have had the kind 
of bicycle I wanted, as I said before.


Well, it is yours and custom is custom, and if there was no other way to 
get what you want and you are happy, then great -- as long as you never 
change your mind and want to go back, because those mods aren't reversible.





On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Steve Palincsar > wrote:


On 12/30/2015 10:23 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:

Well, I had a custom derailleur Rivendell modified to long
horizontals without derailleur hangar (and had the dt shifter
bosses removed, too); this is just the opposite case. My own
excuse is, that I loved the way the bike fit and handled, but
preferred a dedicated fixed gear drivetrain, and I didn't have
the $ for a new custom Rivendell. I've been happy with this mod
for getting on for 10 years. Perhaps the owner loved his SO but
preferred derailleurs, and didn't want to spend for another
Rivendell?

I suppose I take a more liberal view of bicycle modification than
many, but my guiding principle is, if you really have thought the
modification through, and there are good reasons why alternatives
won't work as well for you, all variables considered, do it. A
bike is meant for riding, and riding is meant to give the rider
pleasure, so do what is most pleasant.


Well, except that your modification was destructive and not
reversible, and his could have been ignored and the bike run as a
single-speed as originally designed even after having been
modified.  Not that I'm saying his made any sense economically: I
agree with Jim, there are plenty of other Riv models that already
did that job.  At the time you made those mods, the
single-speed/fixie models had not yet been designed.




I agree that whimsical mods are silly. I'm just not sure this is
one of them.

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Jim Bronson
> wrote:

Why would anyone do this?  There are other Rivendell models
that fit
this role without frame modification.

I don't mean to be overly negative but this is seriously
(expletive) stupid.



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Re: [RBW] Interesting Simple One mod into "touring/cx" bike

[Patrick Moore]

No, what I wanted would have required a new custom even after the singles
came out, since the QB and SO don't have what I want in a fixed gear bike.

Likewise without the "destructive" mods, I would not have had the kind of
bicycle I wanted, as I said before.

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On 12/30/2015 10:23 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Well, I had a custom derailleur Rivendell modified to long horizontals
> without derailleur hangar (and had the dt shifter bosses removed, too);
> this is just the opposite case. My own excuse is, that I loved the way the
> bike fit and handled, but preferred a dedicated fixed gear drivetrain,
> and I didn't have the $ for a new custom Rivendell. I've been happy with
> this mod for getting on for 10 years. Perhaps the owner loved his SO but
> preferred derailleurs, and didn't want to spend for another Rivendell?
>
> I suppose I take a more liberal view of bicycle modification than many,
> but my guiding principle is, if you really have thought the modification
> through, and there are good reasons why alternatives won't work as well for
> you, all variables considered, do it. A bike is meant for riding, and
> riding is meant to give the rider pleasure, so do what is most pleasant.
>
>
> Well, except that your modification was destructive and not reversible,
> and his could have been ignored and the bike run as a single-speed as
> originally designed even after having been modified.  Not that I'm saying
> his made any sense economically: I agree with Jim, there are plenty of
> other Riv models that already did that job.  At the time you made those
> mods, the single-speed/fixie models had not yet been designed.
>
>
>
> I agree that whimsical mods are silly. I'm just not sure this is one of
> them.
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Jim Bronson 
> wrote:
>
>> Why would anyone do this?  There are other Rivendell models that fit
>> this role without frame modification.
>>
>> I don't mean to be overly negative but this is seriously (expletive)
>> stupid.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Interesting Simple One mod into "touring/cx" bike

[Jim Bronson]

Why would anyone do this?  There are other Rivendell models that fit
this role without frame modification.

I don't mean to be overly negative but this is seriously (expletive) stupid.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 3:15 PM, nathaniel nichols  wrote:
> Found this on local CL, not mine, but I would think the dropout would make it 
> shift funny or just kinda annoying to change a flat..idk looks fun though
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/5375840206.html
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Re: [RBW] Interesting Simple One mod into "touring/cx" bike

[Christopher Murray]

Thanks but I'm going to keep the QB as a single for now. 

Cheers!
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Re: [RBW] Interesting Simple One mod into "touring/cx" bike

[Patrick Moore]

Well, I had a custom derailleur Rivendell modified to long horizontals
without derailleur hangar (and had the dt shifter bosses removed, too);
this is just the opposite case. My own excuse is, that I loved the way the
bike fit and handled, but preferred a dedicated fixed gear drivetrain,
and I didn't have the $ for a new custom Rivendell. I've been happy with
this mod for getting on for 10 years. Perhaps the owner loved his SO but
preferred derailleurs, and didn't want to spend for another Rivendell?

I suppose I take a more liberal view of bicycle modification than many, but
my guiding principle is, if you really have thought the modification
through, and there are good reasons why alternatives won't work as well for
you, all variables considered, do it. A bike is meant for riding, and
riding is meant to give the rider pleasure, so do what is most pleasant.

I agree that whimsical mods are silly. I'm just not sure this is one of
them.

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> Why would anyone do this?  There are other Rivendell models that fit
> this role without frame modification.
>
> I don't mean to be overly negative but this is seriously (expletive)
> stupid.
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 3:15 PM, nathaniel nichols 
> wrote:
> > Found this on local CL, not mine, but I would think the dropout would
> make it shift funny or just kinda annoying to change a flat..idk looks fun
> though
> > http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/5375840206.html
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Re: [RBW] Interesting Simple One mod into "touring/cx" bike

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/30/2015 10:23 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:
Well, I had a custom derailleur Rivendell modified to long horizontals 
without derailleur hangar (and had the dt shifter bosses removed, 
too); this is just the opposite case. My own excuse is, that I loved 
the way the bike fit and handled, but preferred a dedicated fixed gear 
drivetrain, and I didn't have the $ for a new custom Rivendell. I've 
been happy with this mod for getting on for 10 years. Perhaps the 
owner loved his SO but preferred derailleurs, and didn't want to spend 
for another Rivendell?


I suppose I take a more liberal view of bicycle modification than 
many, but my guiding principle is, if you really have thought the 
modification through, and there are good reasons why alternatives 
won't work as well for you, all variables considered, do it. A bike is 
meant for riding, and riding is meant to give the rider pleasure, so 
do what is most pleasant.


Well, except that your modification was destructive and not reversible, 
and his could have been ignored and the bike run as a single-speed as 
originally designed even after having been modified.  Not that I'm 
saying his made any sense economically: I agree with Jim, there are 
plenty of other Riv models that already did that job.  At the time you 
made those mods, the single-speed/fixie models had not yet been designed.





I agree that whimsical mods are silly. I'm just not sure this is one 
of them.


On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Jim Bronson > wrote:


Why would anyone do this?  There are other Rivendell models that fit
this role without frame modification.

I don't mean to be overly negative but this is seriously
(expletive) stupid.



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[RBW] Interesting Simple One mod into "touring/cx" bike

[nathaniel nichols]

Found this on local CL, not mine, but I would think the dropout would make it 
shift funny or just kinda annoying to change a flat..idk looks fun though
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/5375840206.html

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Re: [RBW] Interesting Simple One mod into "touring/cx" bike

[cyclotourist]

So they turned a S.O. into a Legolas, but with annoying rear-facing track
ends.

If you want a Legolas, Riv will sell you one, just ask nicely on the phone.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 1:15 PM, nathaniel nichols 
wrote:

> Found this on local CL, not mine, but I would think the dropout would make
> it shift funny or just kinda annoying to change a flat..idk looks fun though
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/5375840206.html
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