[RBW] New Bike Syndrome

[lum gim fong]

And plan as you may, a Rivbike is so versatile that a given build is never 
“complete”.

After a few months it sometimes goes like this:

H...I might want that other front bag,... but then I need another rack that 
holds it lower over the tire so I can attach the rack directly to the fender 
this time, and I need to switch to cantis to get the straddle cable clearance I 
need so I can attach the rack mount to the fork crown, then I’ll need a 
different decaleur, and then of course I’ll swap do a fender nut for the front 
fender instead of my daruma while I have the front end apart for easier removal 
next time, and with the new rack I could finally bolt an edeluxe headlight 
directly to the front side eyelet...and I can finally have a wired dyno tail 
light with that headlight! But I’d need Honjo fenders this time cus only 
their’s has the crimp hole big enough to run a tail light wire through...oh, 
man it’s already 6am?!?!?!

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[RBW] New Bike Syndrome

[Irreguleur]

My experience echoes yours, Rusty. I’m a 1 bike person and this is my first 
Riv, so I made lists (spreadsheets), window shopped, and compiled everything 
until the Clem was was shipped. Then I tore down my Kodiak and cleaned the 
migratory components. Everything* was ready for the new frame when it arrived.

I Pre-Pre-Ordered the frameset before the details of the new version were 
available (June?) I made photo mockups, compared owners builds, etc. Anxiety 
set in a few times (phone calls to Riv settled me) and I took some chances on a 
few personally untested parts, but I’d do it all again every year if I could.

Enjoy it while it lasts!

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[RBW] New Bike Syndrome

[Joe Bernard]

Getting back to your question: Yes, I drove myself crazy planning the build on 
my new Cheviot. Fortunately it was only a 2 month wait so craziness is over. 
It's a fun kinda crazy, though 

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[RBW] New Bike Syndrome

[Jay Connolly]

I’d keep the Sam, too. If cycling is important to you, then sometimes it’s 
great to have a similar-but-different bike. Use a different bar, a 
wider/thinner tire, and setthe bike (or both bikes) to be a little more purpose 
driven. I have an Appaloosa set up as an anyroad bike with 700 x 50 Cazaderos 
for mud and forest trails. I run a basket some of the time, but mostly use a 
Sackville medium seat bag. My Sam, A VERY similar frame, is my road bike. I run 
a moustache bar, slicks, and generally keep it unencumbered. They feel entirely 
different.

Jay

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[RBW] New Bike Syndrome

[RichS]

Rusty,

If you can figure out a way, I implore you to keep your Sam. I have one; and an 
Atlantis. They’re very different bikes.

Even though there is overlap between 
them and you can accomplish many of the same things on both, they do have their 
own handling characteristics and feel.

At one point I thought I wanted the Atlantis more roadish. Nope. Didn’t like 
it. But the Sam is a wonderful ride for me in a bit more of a svelte setup.

Now, the Atlantis has fatter tires, wider rims, Albatross bars and fenders. 
It’s golden! Took awhile but I found my sweet spot.

In sum I would be hard pressed to get rid of either bike. Hope I never have to 
make that decision. Congratulations, dream on and enjoy what your new Atlantis 
might be like. And keep the Sam!

All the best,
Richard

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Syndrome

[Pondero]

Like others have already well said, I'm also a huge proponent of a backup bike. 
 If you could find creative financing (other things to sell besides a Sam?), 
you have a great opportunity for that here.

Your single bike approach, if it comes down to that, sounds fine.  The only 
other idea I have is a few strategic WTB/WTT posts.  You've got time and this 
group of fickle folks on your side.  Maybe a micro-swap meet would help you 
economize.  I've learned that used good stuff is usually still good stuff.

Either way, I'll enjoy following this project!

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Syndrome

[Deacon Patrick]

Is cycling an important part of your life? Important for exercise, 
transportation, errands, relaxing, contemplating, theraputic, etc? Then you 
need two bikes. One goes down now and then. Derailure or hub blows up, spoke 
snaps, rim gets dinged. It happens. No worries, you have your other bike. Or, 
to randomly give another example, say you get the knuckle-headed idea that 
you’re only going to ride fixed, so you send your frame in for dropout swap for 
several months. No worries. You have your other bike. Grin.

If cycling is unimportant to you, a take it or leave it activity (and how could 
it be — you’ve bought two Rivs!), then sell the Sam.

As for your wife, ask her how you do on weeks when you haven’t been able to 
ride. You grouchier? I’d wager all of us are. A common phrase round these parts 
is “Papa needed a longer ride.” Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Syndrome

[Dale Click]

Hi Chris,

If I have Riv build it as a complete, then I am thinking Rich built Atlas 
wheels, Albatross bars, Riv’s pick for the F derailleurs, the Sugino triple, 
and downtube shifters.  Eventually, when I can find the parts, I would move the 
rear shifter up onto the bar with a Paul thumbie.  I would have to decide 
between V-brakes and canti’s and the brake levers.  I would move the Nitto big 
back rack and Marks rack over from the Sam soon after I get the bike (You saw a 
moderately loaded version of my Sam when we met for coffee at Big Dog Coffee).  
I would try to sell the Hub Area rack and replace it later.   This would leave 
me with a stripped down version of the Sam, that I would either try to sell on 
the list, or keep around for scooting around downtown etc.

My wife, in her wisdom, believes that I should get a complete bike and try to 
sell the Sam in the ridable version.  It would help off set the crazy 
extravagance of buying the Atlantis.


Rusty Click
Pgh, PA 





> On Jan 13, 2018, at 9:21 AM, Pondero  wrote:
> 
> Rusty, just wanted to express my congrats on the Atlantis!  The classic of 
> all classics!  I can relate to the mania.  I suspect it could probably be 
> worse when you are scheming an Atlantis build.  There are SO many wonderfully 
> creative examples to peruse.
> 
> How about you tell us more about your current thinking for your setup.  
> Consider it therapy.  We are here to help.
> 
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
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[RBW] New Bike Syndrome

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Hi Dale,
Take the Sam for a ride!  And ditto on the congrats for your new coming 
Atlantis.  I’ve often suffered similar symptoms but find they often flair up 
more when not getting enough riding in.  Although I certainly still think of 
build changes while riding or because of revelations discovered after several 
rides the immediacy of such changes quickly subsides once I get back in the 
saddle and allows me to think about them more critically or economically rather 
than succumb to the impulse buying that turns into a pile of parts (which I 
still need to dig myself out of, of course.)

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ

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[RBW] New Bike Syndrome

[ted]

There is no final step, and the true panic sets in when you thought you would 
be all done but instead realize you also really NEED just one more bike to .

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[RBW] New Bike Syndrome

[Pondero]

Rusty, just wanted to express my congrats on the Atlantis!  The classic of all 
classics!  I can relate to the mania.  I suspect it could probably be worse 
when you are scheming an Atlantis build.  There are SO many wonderfully 
creative examples to peruse.

How about you tell us more about your current thinking for your setup.  
Consider it therapy.  We are here to help.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] New Bike Syndrome

[lum gim fong]

Another idea is swap everything over and then upgrade as the wallet permits.

That's what I did. Swapped my Sam build over to my Rambouillet. Cleaned the 
parts before installing. Fun!!

But no wait. I can see the fun in the planning.
You could sell everything you aren't going to use and then use the $$$ to buy 
the new parts.

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[RBW] New Bike Syndrome

[Surlyprof]

I’m not sure I’ll be the support you need or want.  Given that the Hillborne is 
a great bike that you’d miss it more than the few hundred dollars you’d get for 
it, I’d make it your lighter, go-fastish bike and make the Atlantis the handle 
anything life throws at you bike.  That would involve:
- assessing what Sam parts would be good on a stripped down road bike...
- assessing which parts are heavier duty and should shift to the Atlantis...
- order and replace the lighter parts on to the Sam while you wait for the 
Atlantis...
-  order and install the new and old parts on the Atlantis when it arrives...
-  Sit back and marvel at yor ingenuity because you just diversified your bike 
stable while only buying parts for one bike AND you were never without a Riv to 
ride!

Of course the final step involves the panic-stricken period while you figure 
out how to rationalize this insanity to your significant other followed by lots 
of household chores, flowers, begging forgiveness and, maybe, some retaliatory 
spending on their part. 

Good luck and enjoy the ride (literally and metaphorically).

John

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[RBW] New Bike Syndrome

[Rusty Click]

I am suffering from this condition, and wondered if it is normal.  You see, 
I've recently ordered a new Atlantis (62), and I find myself looking at 
owners pictures of their builds, and obsessing over whether to have Riv do 
a complete build, or move what I can from my '11 S. Hillborne (which will 
have to be sold to slightly offset the new bikes expense) and only worry 
over what will not transfer.  

Why can't I stop looking at wheels, at handlebars, and brakes?  I know I 
have many months ahead of wading through the minutiae of all the choices to 
be made, including the selling of my loyal Sam.  Is this "Buyers Remorse", 
or some other malady experienced by those of us waiting anxiously for a new 
bike?  I know I have at least 6 months of this torture/excitement to 
endure, and don't know if I will make it through.  

I consider all of you on this amazing site, a sort of support group for the 
bike obsessed.  I am one.  


Dementedly Yours,

Dale Click "Rusty"
Pgh, PA

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