Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
John, you are correct. I misspoke. The middle ‘X’ on my photo is the median nerve. There goes my ‘my armchair expert’ status. My damage is mostly to both ulnar nerves, which is why I don’t like the Albastache, but my other nerves are affected too. On a hard ride, the wrong handlebar, tire pressure etc. can cause me to lose my grip on the handlebar, and unable to squeeze the brake lever. It scared me big time, the first time it happened, as it was my front brake and I had to stop quickly. Nothing there. It’s a very freaky feeling to lose something that has always worked unconsciously. After an hour at the side of the trail, I trusted my hand to finish the rest of the ride, after I lowered my air pressure, and slowed to a crawl. I don’t use padded gloves, because of the ulnar pressure. The search goes on for a time machine... I need to go back and make some changes. Thanks for the correction and the diagram. Clayton Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Friday, November 16, 2018, 10:14 AM, Surlyprof wrote: Clayton, The center is actually the Median nerve. The Radial runs closer to the ball of the thumb. Although there are several repetitive stress injuries that effect the hand, carpal tunnel issues effect the median nerve and can be brought on by trauma and repetitive stress (grocery clerks used to often get it until they redesigned the scanners). When the synovial sheath is swollen it puts pressure on the median nerve causing pain numbness usually in the index and middle fingers. Unfortunately, once the synovial sheath is swollen, it generates friction on the tendons which aggrevates it more. That swelling is why carpal tunnel is so hard to fix even with surgery. Many of the glove manufacturers learned to put pads on both sides of the median nerve but that tends to put pressure on the radial and ulner nerves. I’ve found that riding the front curves of the albastache tends to put the most pressure on the ulnar nerve. This diagram does a pretty decent job of showing what effects what: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/00/d2/63/00d263b0aef6950308611260909af357.jpg John An avid albastache fan who moves his hands around a lot to redistribute pressure as often as possible. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/dmrOBmIrdI4/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
Clayton, The center is actually the Median nerve. The Radial runs closer to the ball of the thumb. Although there are several repetitive stress injuries that effect the hand, carpal tunnel issues effect the median nerve and can be brought on by trauma and repetitive stress (grocery clerks used to often get it until they redesigned the scanners). When the synovial sheath is swollen it puts pressure on the median nerve causing pain numbness usually in the index and middle fingers. Unfortunately, once the synovial sheath is swollen, it generates friction on the tendons which aggrevates it more. That swelling is why carpal tunnel is so hard to fix even with surgery. Many of the glove manufacturers learned to put pads on both sides of the median nerve but that tends to put pressure on the radial and ulner nerves. I’ve found that riding the front curves of the albastache tends to put the most pressure on the ulnar nerve. This diagram does a pretty decent job of showing what effects what: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/00/d2/63/00d263b0aef6950308611260909af357.jpg John An avid albastache fan who moves his hands around a lot to redistribute pressure as often as possible. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
Thanks J, but I have had three back surgeries too, and their stem isn’t tall enough, due to the fact I bought a smaller frame than Grant would recommend, so I can run a suspension seat post. I have a 100 mm Nitto dirt drop, all the way up, to get the right fit. Rather funny looking but it works. I am stiff and can’t get low. If I have a custom frame made, which I probably should, it will have a sloping top tube and a tall head tube, so I can run a normal stem without six inches of spacers...and a suspension seat post (which I swear by, everyone should have one, they save energy as well as the back) and be able to use a short travel Hite Rite at the same time, for when I go bikepacking. Moving my saddle height around really helps with the back pain and stability in rough terrain. Dream bike would be a lugged Riv Gus Boots, with light steel, and a straight, but highly sloped top tube, with fancy paint and lugs, and geometry that works with drops, wide tires and moderate front load. Roadish, with a burly seat cluster optimized for the hite rite, with a grease pin hole. It should come with a woman I can date for free. And coffee. It should come with coffee too. ClaytonDDD Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Thursday, November 15, 2018, 8:54 PM, Justin, Oakland wrote: You can use carbon 31.8 bars on your Atlantis with one of the VO 31.8 quill stems. -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/dmrOBmIrdI4/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
You can use carbon 31.8 bars on your Atlantis with one of the VO 31.8 quill stems. -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
Vibration is now my enemy. I have two carbon bikes, both with carbon handlebars which are very absorbent but air pressure is the thing that affects my hands the most. The higher the air pressure in my tires, the quicker my hand(s) go. I was kinda amazed at the difference in speed that my hands went numb at different pressures. Riding around with fifteen lbs. pressure is the sweet spot. I have to run drops so I can move my hands around, or they go numb. Flat bars don’t work for me either, as my weight goes on the outside edge of my palm. A wide, extremely flared drop bar lets me put my weight on the thumb web, or muscle area rather than the no-no spot. Carbon bars help me the most, but I can’t find a 26.0 dia. in an extremely flared drop carbon bar. Anyone know of one? One of the reasons I’m excited over the Boots is all the carbon bars I can chose from (the new Thompson gravel bar looks sweet). I firmly believe that the long one inch steerers and quill stems is one of the secret to the comfort of my Atlantis, so I think it would be a tie (with a stiff clamp on stem and larger diameter carbon bars on the Boots), if they were to get in a fight. The Boots fork looks comfy and not overbuilt, and with the bigger tires I’m making a guess that it would be as comfortable as my Atlantis, just slower around town, with 2.8s at fifteen psi to prevent vibration. Crap. Did I just talk myself out of a Boots? Sorry for the topic wander... Clayton DDD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
It's happened to me with every flat-style (i.e., non-drop) bar I've ever used. On 11/15/18 2:41 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: It's interesting. The only two bikes in my fleet that give me occasional numbness both have flat bars. On my mountain bike I'll get numbness on my two smallest fingertips (pinky and ring finger) on both hands if I'm mountain biking for more than ~2 hours. On my Rosco Road I'm running Jitensha bars and I get similar numbness at the tips of my pinky and ring finger on my left hand, doing my typical 18 mile (each way) commute several days in a row. I'm experimenting with a different model of grips this season on my mountain bike. I'm considering switching the Rosco Road back to drop bars Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 11:15:02 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote: The nerve location is the same on most everyone. There are variations, but the general location is the same. The neurologist said to not put pressure there to avoid nerve damage, so I assume it would be the same for all cyclists or anyone who might suffer from repetitive impacts in that area. I just posted the photo, first up on #Dirtdancedesigns on instagram, showing where she drew the “X’s”, so people don’t have to dig. I can’t post photos here on my IPad yet. Haven’t figured it out. I love the looks of the Albastache, but the brake lever rotation problem (quick brake lever access is a big safety issue) and the nerve impingement issue killed it for me. Clayton #DirtDanceDesigns (I sell nothing, so it’s not a sales push )... -- Steve Palincsar Alexandria, Virginia USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
It's interesting. The only two bikes in my fleet that give me occasional numbness both have flat bars. On my mountain bike I'll get numbness on my two smallest fingertips (pinky and ring finger) on both hands if I'm mountain biking for more than ~2 hours. On my Rosco Road I'm running Jitensha bars and I get similar numbness at the tips of my pinky and ring finger on my left hand, doing my typical 18 mile (each way) commute several days in a row. I'm experimenting with a different model of grips this season on my mountain bike. I'm considering switching the Rosco Road back to drop bars Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 11:15:02 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote: > > The nerve location is the same on most everyone. There are variations, but > the general location is the same. The neurologist said to not put pressure > there to avoid nerve damage, so I assume it would be the same for all > cyclists or anyone who might suffer from repetitive impacts in that area. > > I just posted the photo, first up on #Dirtdancedesigns on instagram, > showing where she drew the “X’s”, so people don’t have to dig. I can’t post > photos here on my IPad yet. Haven’t figured it out. > > I love the looks of the Albastache, but the brake lever rotation problem > (quick brake lever access is a big safety issue) and the nerve impingement > issue killed it for me. > > Clayton > #DirtDanceDesigns (I sell nothing, so it’s not a sales push )... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
Ok, thanks Patrick!\Clay Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Thursday, November 15, 2018, 11:19 AM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote: Clayton, To post photos, switch to Desktop (bottom of the page), attache file. With abandon, Patrick, who has never experienced numbness with Albastache bars except when he should have worn mittens. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/dmrOBmIrdI4/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
Clayton, To post photos, switch to Desktop (bottom of the page), attache file. With abandon, Patrick, who has never experienced numbness with Albastache bars except when he should have worn mittens. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
The nerve location is the same on most everyone. There are variations, but the general location is the same. The neurologist said to not put pressure there to avoid nerve damage, so I assume it would be the same for all cyclists or anyone who might suffer from repetitive impacts in that area. I just posted the photo, first up on #Dirtdancedesigns on instagram, showing where she drew the “X’s”, so people don’t have to dig. I can’t post photos here on my IPad yet. Haven’t figured it out. I love the looks of the Albastache, but the brake lever rotation problem (quick brake lever access is a big safety issue) and the nerve impingement issue killed it for me. Clayton #DirtDanceDesigns (I sell nothing, so it’s not a sales push )... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
Thanks Clayton. That context makes sense. In your 'armchair expert' opinion, is the Albastache a fundamentally bad handlebar for everyone, given that everyone has roughly the same hand anatomy? Or is it mainly bad for those people whose hands are already wrecked from the sum of their previous hand-activities? Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 8:35:08 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote: > > E. I chose “E”. > > The surgeon drew little “x’s“ on my hand and the surgeon said ‘No pressure > here.’ I came home and went to work on a bar swap project and tried: > Nitto 13’s off road drop, Salsa woodchipper, Albastache, Ahearn, Sycip > singles bar, Carver Ti bar and original WTB drops from the eighties. The > flat bars were the best for not hitting the ‘x’. Out of the rest, I chose > the original WTBs with tons of padding to put the pressure on the fat thumb > muscle, rather than the heal of my hand. The Albastache was the worst. > > I’m an ex firefighter paramedic with knowledge of anatomy and > physiology I’ve had three carpal tunnel surgeries and have received > lots of advice from MD’s on this... “I’m an armchair expert”. > > Most everyone’s nerve is in the same area. At the base of your palm, on > the pinkie side, there is a bony lump. Just in front of it is where the > ulnar nerve is, and is exactly where the Albastache’s outer curve hits, no > matter where I put my hand. When evaluating bars, the first thing I check > is nerve ‘clearance ‘. Buried somewhere in my Instagram feed is a picture > of the ‘x’s’ she drew. #dirtdancedesigns .I can’t post photos or I > would. > > Hand numbness sucks. Protect your nerves. > > Clayton DDD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
you're funny, Joe On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 12:47:19 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote: > > I suspect it was a variation on the old doctor joke. > > "Doctor, it hurts when I ride like this." > > 'Don't ride like that!' > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
E. I chose “E”. The surgeon drew little “x’s“ on my hand and the surgeon said ‘No pressure here.’ I came home and went to work on a bar swap project and tried: Nitto 13’s off road drop, Salsa woodchipper, Albastache, Ahearn, Sycip singles bar, Carver Ti bar and original WTB drops from the eighties. The flat bars were the best for not hitting the ‘x’. Out of the rest, I chose the original WTBs with tons of padding to put the pressure on the fat thumb muscle, rather than the heal of my hand. The Albastache was the worst. I’m an ex firefighter paramedic with knowledge of anatomy and physiology I’ve had three carpal tunnel surgeries and have received lots of advice from MD’s on this... “I’m an armchair expert”. Most everyone’s nerve is in the same area. At the base of your palm, on the pinkie side, there is a bony lump. Just in front of it is where the ulnar nerve is, and is exactly where the Albastache’s outer curve hits, no matter where I put my hand. When evaluating bars, the first thing I check is nerve ‘clearance ‘. Buried somewhere in my Instagram feed is a picture of the ‘x’s’ she drew. #dirtdancedesigns .I can’t post photos or I would. Hand numbness sucks. Protect your nerves. Clayton DDD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
I suspect it was a variation on the old doctor joke. "Doctor, it hurts when I ride like this." 'Don't ride like that!' -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
Clayton said: "My hand surgeon told me no" I'm not sure what 'no' means without any context. Do you mean a. Your hand surgeon personally evaluated the Albastache handlebar and determined that it is a bad handlebar for all human hands b. Your hand surgeon evaluated the Albastache handlebar and determined that it is a bad handlebar for you c. Your hand surgeon evaluated you on your bike with Albastache handlebars and determined that you shouldn't use it d. Your hand surgeon used sensors on your hands to measure pressure on your ulnar nerve and used that data to determine that you can't use Albastache bars e. Your hand surgeon showed you where your ulnar nerve is and told you don't put pressure here. You used that knowledge to rule out the Albastache yourself f. Something completely different Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 10:27:15 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote: > > My hand surgeon told me no. The albastache puts pressure on the ulnar > nerve directly in almost all hand positions. Also no matter how I set them > up, brake access sucks. I couldn’t get the levers low enough. Three > unsuccessful carpal tunnel surgeries later, I actually listen now. > > Clayton DDD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
My hand surgeon told me no. The albastache puts pressure on the ulnar nerve directly in almost all hand positions. Also no matter how I set them up, brake access sucks. I couldn’t get the levers low enough. Three unsuccessful carpal tunnel surgeries later, I actually listen now. Clayton DDD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
Please report on the Albastaches. (And what problems did the original moustache bar cause you?) On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 5:37 PM Ray Varella wrote: > I had the original mustache bars on a commuter with barend shifters. > I really liked that combo for riding in traffic. Braking was super strong > and quickly accessible and shifting required almost no loss of > attentiveness. > Great attributes for riding in traffic. > I have a pair of Albastache bars I’ll be trying soon. > The new shape addresses the issues I had with the originals that prevented > me from liking them on rides of 50 miles or more. > > Ray > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique ** ** *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] No love for the Albastache?
I had the original mustache bars on a commuter with barend shifters. I really liked that combo for riding in traffic. Braking was super strong and quickly accessible and shifting required almost no loss of attentiveness. Great attributes for riding in traffic. I have a pair of Albastache bars I’ll be trying soon. The new shape addresses the issues I had with the originals that prevented me from liking them on rides of 50 miles or more. Ray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] No love for the Albastache?
I’ve had three bikes with Albastache bars (only one now, though), and two with Moustache (none at the moment, though). I really like the Albastache a lot. Multiple hand positions, easy access to shifters and to the brakes. Great leverage for climbing and nice aero position when you need it. An underrated bar, in my opinion. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
FWIW, I've found that M-bars are most comfortable, for me, when there is adequate reach from saddle: either low enough, or at least far-out enough to more or less mimic my drop bars. When I tried "high and close" I hated them. On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 1:13 PM Patrick Moore wrote: > (Sorry, I forget your name.) I'm interested in hearing of the "things you > didn't love" about the original Moustache bar, and how the Albastache > solves these problems. I personally find all bars -- and I've used a huge > selection -- except standard, road-type drop bars, uncomfortable for more > than a few miles. But of all alternatives, I've preferred the original > M-bar, which I've tried very, very hard to like, and which I've used on at > least 8 different bikes over the years. I presently have an original-type > M-bar on my Hon Solo folder, as the best (if very imperfect) compromise > between hand comfort and folding. > > So, how does the Albastache improve on the Moustache? One reason I've > hesitated to just buy one and try it out is that it's so damned wide -- > I've found few non-drop bars that don't feel better after cutting 2" -- at > least! -- off each end, and with drop bars I like 38s for pavement, wide > 42s for dirt, for my Maes Parallels (and my ideal frame size is 60 X 56 > c-c). I'd be interested to hear your opinion about the Albastache versus > the Moustache. > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 9:41 AM masmojo wrote: > >> ... >> Having run a Moustache bar for 20+ years & now the Albastache since >> shortly after they appeared I am somewhat perplexed??? The original >> moustache was fairly popular & the new bar has all the originals charms, >> but none of the things that I didn't love. (Which were few). > > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique ** ** *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
(Sorry, I forget your name.) I'm interested in hearing of the "things you didn't love" about the original Moustache bar, and how the Albastache solves these problems. I personally find all bars -- and I've used a huge selection -- except standard, road-type drop bars, uncomfortable for more than a few miles. But of all alternatives, I've preferred the original M-bar, which I've tried very, very hard to like, and which I've used on at least 8 different bikes over the years. I presently have an original-type M-bar on my Hon Solo folder, as the best (if very imperfect) compromise between hand comfort and folding. So, how does the Albastache improve on the Moustache? One reason I've hesitated to just buy one and try it out is that it's so damned wide -- I've found few non-drop bars that don't feel better after cutting 2" -- at least! -- off each end, and with drop bars I like 38s for pavement, wide 42s for dirt, for my Maes Parallels (and my ideal frame size is 60 X 56 c-c). I'd be interested to hear your opinion about the Albastache versus the Moustache. On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 9:41 AM masmojo wrote: > ... > Having run a Moustache bar for 20+ years & now the Albastache since > shortly after they appeared I am somewhat perplexed??? The original > moustache was fairly popular & the new bar has all the originals charms, > but none of the things that I didn't love. (Which were few). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
I have albastache bars on my BMC > On Nov 6, 2018, at 8:45 AM, Doug H. wrote: > > I put Albastache bars on a Trek 520 that I was stretched out on and they > transformed the bike. I’m a fan of Albastache bars. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] No love for the Albastache?
Here, about a fith.3 of the way down: https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/ultra-variety-pack-anagramers-theft-hhh-rosco-bebe-bike-other “Our worst-selling handlebar is the Albastache. Drop-bar people don't take it seriously, and non-drop bar people think it's too much like a drop bar. I think it's the bar to ride for anybody who's not ready to go full-Albatross or Billie or Bosco; who has a drop-bar road bike but isn't thrilled with it...but it all depends on the shifters. Albastache bars aren't designed for brifters. The're perfect for bar-end shifters. There is little chance that you won't like them 10x more than your drop bars, as long as you ride bar-end shifters, which are always a good idea with any bar.” The new Moustache aka Albastache is indeed the best of all possible worlds. I love the way it climbs, whether I’m sitting or stomping. And of course, riding fixed, I interact with the bar a lot more than with gears. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] No love for the Albastache?
I put Albastache bars on a Trek 520 that I was stretched out on and they transformed the bike. I’m a fan of Albastache bars. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] No love for the Albastache?
I reading somewhere that the Albastache is the least popular handlebar!? Having run a Moustache bar for 20+ years & now the Albastache since shortly after they appeared I am somewhat perplexed??? The original moustache was fairly popular & the new bar has all the originals charms, but none of the things that I didn't love. (Which were few). Now granted, I admit moustache bars in general are slightly odd looking, but they are so great for so many things. Indeed, aside from my Ogre I don't think I've built a bike in the last 4 years without Albastache or Albatross bars! And as much as I like Albatross bars they are not always the answer. I think a lot of people here would love them if they gave them a try! Who do I think would benefit the most? People who ride drop bars, but mostly ride on the hoods or bar tops are ideal candidates for Albastache bars. Who else? People who like Albatross bars and can't quite cotton to drop bars. I find them to be the single most versatile handlebar, fine for spirited paved road jaunts or all but the most technical offroad stuff. The main thing I love about them is how I can activate the brakes from almost any hand position! Grap the end of the lever with my forefinger when I am back on the flats; several fingers when I am forward in the curved sections OR use my pinkie & ring fingers when I am riding "on the hoods"! Indeed only when riding with my hands close to the stem, (which I rarely do with these bars) do I not have instant braking available. So, I am interested to hear why people don't go for these latest & greatest moustache bars? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
