Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)
You certainly COULD set up this bike with an IGH, but it appears to have all the usual provisions for a rear derailleur (DT shifter boss, chainstay cable mount). IMO, people buy IGHs for all the wrong reasons - i.e. the mythical no-maintenance drivetrain that tends to appeal to non-mechanical persons. The truth is closer to the drivetrain not being low-maintenance, as much as it's generally unmaintainable, since small parts are generally nonexistent for all but a few hub models. Also, they tend to complicate routine fixes, like flat tires. Grant doesn't seem to like unmaintainable stuff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/zcZGweR41REJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)
Many people like them for the simplified shifting - no cog/chainring jumping - plus the ability to downshift while stopped. I am one of those people. My derailer bikes are swell, but I like my Nexus-hubbed Electra Amsterdam a lot. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/OuSyIV0kD00J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)
I have a Civia Bryant w/ IGH. I bought it as a winter/commuter kind of experiment. It weighs a ton, but th weight mostly disappears once it gets rolling. Shifting takes some getting used to. I think Grant has something other than looks in mind here, but he's also loving the conjecture-it's fun, who wouldn't. I'm on the list and I'm not an easy build (68-70cm), so it should be fun (famous last words!). RGZ On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: Many people like them for the simplified shifting - no cog/chainring jumping - plus the ability to downshift while stopped. I am one of those people. My derailer bikes are swell, but I like my Nexus-hubbed Electra Amsterdam a lot. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/OuSyIV0kD00J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)
It exists, I am bewildered. I can't figure out the reason for the assymetrical diagatubes in the rear triangle, or what those D-shaped braze-ons are for. Discuss, people who discuss things. http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/13791776081/odd-new-bike-p-2 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/dWgHZP7i3UUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)
D-shaped braze-ons have to be anchor points for a carrying strap -- see Grant's Atlantis in the Staph Bikes post, which has one made of what looks like rim tape. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bernard Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 4:32 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS) It exists, I am bewildered. I can't figure out the reason for the assymetrical diagatubes in the rear triangle, or what those D-shaped braze-ons are for. Discuss, people who discuss things. http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/13791776081/odd-new-bike-p-2 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/dWgHZP7i3UUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)
I agree about the carry strap D-rings. Grant has talked about those before. I wonder if the left chainstay middie is positioned that way to accommodate a side-mount trailer hitch? Or, one of those heavy duty stay-mounted kickstands used for loaded tourers? From: Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, December 5, 2011 1:31:50 PM Subject: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS) It exists, I am bewildered. I can't figure out the reason for the assymetrical diagatubes in the rear triangle, or what those D-shaped braze-ons are for. Discuss, people who discuss things. http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/13791776081/odd-new-bike-p-2 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/dWgHZP7i3UUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)
I'm not completely convinced about the carry strap being a slam dunk since the downtube thingy splits the two water bottle braze ons. If that's what it is then you could run a strap OR a water bottle, but not both. I'm trying to take a clue from the horizontal rear dropout WITH a rear derailer tab. Horizontal implies we're moving the wheel around, but the derailer tab implies we wont have to move the wheel around to take up chain slack. I wonder... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/21EnCj9gzrsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:18 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to take a clue from the horizontal rear dropout WITH a rear derailer tab. Horizontal implies we're moving the wheel around, but the derailer tab implies we wont have to move the wheel around to take up chain slack. I wonder... I thought about this too, but it could be that the only horizontal dropouts available for the prototype happened to have a derailleur hanger. I noticed that there are downtube shifter bosses also. So, um, I have no clue. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)
Maybe the One Big Option (mentioned in the original post) is derailleur or high end IGH (Rohloff or Alfine 11, both of which have sufficiently wide range to obviate need for front shifting, which the original post says the HS doesn't have); hence the seemingly contradictory horizontal drops and derailleur hanger? From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of William Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 5:19 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS) I'm not completely convinced about the carry strap being a slam dunk since the downtube thingy splits the two water bottle braze ons. If that's what it is then you could run a strap OR a water bottle, but not both. I'm trying to take a clue from the horizontal rear dropout WITH a rear derailer tab. Horizontal implies we're moving the wheel around, but the derailer tab implies we wont have to move the wheel around to take up chain slack. I wonder... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/21EnCj9gzrsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)
Actually, we see one dt shifter boss on the right side, and the D-shaped thingy seems to block a front derailer placement. I've been expecting an IGH bike from Rivendell..I think this is it. I assume a cassette-plus-rear-derailer option will be available. You could made that with a Schlumpf Drive for a good gear range. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/w6Mxr9V_pHMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)
And since the gamblers get to choose IGH or derailleur (assuming that's the big option), a hanger-less dropout could be used for the IGH bikes? From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bernard Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 5:45 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS) Actually, we see one dt shifter boss on the right side, and the D-shaped thingy seems to block a front derailer placement. I've been expecting an IGH bike from Rivendell..I think this is it. I assume a cassette-plus-rear-derailer option will be available. You could made that with a Schlumpf Drive for a good gear range. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/w6Mxr9V_pHMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)
The Rohloff takes a dedicated dropout. Does anyone see anything like that here? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Kful_xIupDgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)
You can use a torque arm on the Rohloff with a regular dropout, but I assume Grant would not use such a kludgey solution if that were the hub -- good point. Alfine 11? From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bernard Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 5:58 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS) The Rohloff takes a dedicated dropout. Does anyone see anything like that here? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Kful_xIupDgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)
If it makes more demand for jtek to make the Alfine 11 bar-end shifter, I'm all for it. jtek says they're working on it, though. Of course, I'm getting way ahead of things here. -Original Message- From: Joe Bernard <joerem...@gmail.com>Sent: Dec 5, 2011 3:10 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS) I think an Alfine is more in line with a production IGH bike Rivendell would produce: It's more "105 level" to the Rohloff's "Dura-Ace" expensiveness. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/7J4U_pabMeAJ.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)
Grant has voiced opposition to IGHs before, and nothing about this suggests this will be a dedicated IGH bike. This one appears to lack the Rohloff OEM mount, as well as the ISCG tab for a Hammerschmidt crank (HS?). No anchor point for the Schlumpf either. The horizontal dropout with derailleur hanger doesn't seem weird. Most older bikes have that feature, as does the Surly Cross-check, and many others. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/klSbbak0grEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)
The horizontals make me think IGH more than anything else. It's the only Rivendell bike to have them (other than custom), which is significant. What's he doing in there...? On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Grant has voiced opposition to IGHs before, and nothing about this suggests this will be a dedicated IGH bike. This one appears to lack the Rohloff OEM mount, as well as the ISCG tab for a Hammerschmidt crank (HS?). No anchor point for the Schlumpf either. The horizontal dropout with derailleur hanger doesn't seem weird. Most older bikes have that feature, as does the Surly Cross-check, and many others. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/klSbbak0grEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)
I think Grant's opposition to IGH is not a current sentiment. His tastes have evolved some in recent years, and IGH has grown immensely in popularity in that time as well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/w1HXOmuRHc0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)
Whoa horizontal drops, 4 seat stays, brazed on derailuer hanger, it is an odd bike for sure. On Dec 5, 2011 4:31 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: It exists, I am bewildered. I can't figure out the reason for the assymetrical diagatubes in the rear triangle, or what those D-shaped braze-ons are for. Discuss, people who discuss things. http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/13791776081/odd-new-bike-p-2 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/dWgHZP7i3UUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)
I run an alfine on my saluki and is sweet, would love horizontal drops though On Dec 5, 2011 5:28 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: ** Maybe the One Big Option (mentioned in the original post) is derailleur or high end IGH (Rohloff or Alfine 11, both of which have sufficiently wide range to obviate need for front shifting, which the original post says the HS doesn't have); hence the seemingly contradictory horizontal drops and derailleur hanger? -- *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *William *Sent:* Monday, December 05, 2011 5:19 PM *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS) I'm not completely convinced about the carry strap being a slam dunk since the downtube thingy splits the two water bottle braze ons. If that's what it is then you could run a strap OR a water bottle, but not both. I'm trying to take a clue from the horizontal rear dropout WITH a rear derailer tab. Horizontal implies we're moving the wheel around, but the derailer tab implies we wont have to move the wheel around to take up chain slack. I wonder... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/21EnCj9gzrsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
