[RBW] On Topic / Off Topic

2020-06-02 Thread Joe Bernard
The post is still at internet-bob (locked to replies) and 650B and Mr. Heine's 
blog. And as stated there's a million other places to pursue this topic, I've 
done a significant amount of opining in those places myself. I'm not going to 
do so here for the reasons Jim stated, and I don't think it's necessary to give 
him grief about moderating his forum. It's not Riv's forum or yours or mine, 
it's Jim's.  

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[RBW] On Topic / Off Topic

2020-06-02 Thread rob markwardt
Agree. 

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[RBW] On Topic / Off Topic

2020-06-02 Thread William!
Jim,
You deleted a post that linked to a fundraiser for BLM being organized by a 
member of *our* community. If you want to define that as out of bounds, you can 
count me out of *your* community. 

William

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[RBW] On Topic / Off Topic

2020-06-02 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
The topic of this group has always been narrowly defined by design. 

Over the...what...13 years (the old rbw list migrated here to google groups 
in March of 2007) in which I've moderated the group, I've taken down all 
manner of threads which were off topic and got weirdly nasty. 

Mostly they were about SUV's or bait versus fly fishing, sometimes about 
helmets. Innocuous topics that suddenly lurched sideways. Good people 
saying hurtful things for little reason other than getting caught up in the 
call and response of the internet. I usually manage to get the nasty 
threads deleted, but sometimes run out of energy and time before I can get 
rid of others which are kind of on the bubble. That's not the same as tacit 
approval.

Before the COVID situation had developed into even a quarter of what it is 
now, we had an exceptionally nasty thread which expanded here. Caused folks 
to post some very angry things and leave. 

The current demonstrations and responses and actions are playing out on a 
scale I don't feel we can ever hope to cover in this group.In the short 
time following the original post, I deleted responses in the the moderation 
queue which had already crossed the line of civil discourse. Not to mention 
the growing debate simply about whether or not the post was on or off 
topic. 

There are plenty of places online to have those conversations. 

I do understand the anger and the pain and frustration going on right now. 
But there are much more appropriate venues to directly apply yourself to 
begin to address these issues in our culture than talking (or arguing) 
about them here.

Thank you to those of you who contacted me directly - some of you were 
concerned about the growing adversarial tone of comments, others the 
non-RBW content of the post. Others have asked directly why the thread was 
deleted. I hope this gives some insight to the decision. 

I guess I come back to the idea: the topic of this group has always been 
narrowly defined by design at the beginning.

Stay safe and act fairly. 

- Jim / Cyclofiend / list admin

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