Re: [RBW] Only ourselves to blame?
Jim, What are the cog teeth of the 13-28 FW ? On Friday, January 4, 2013 11:41:13 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Hey, I just found a lightly used Shimano 600 freewheel today. 6sp, 13-28, seems smooth and good. In original box with original $29.95 price tag! Anybody want it? Make me an offer that includes shipping. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Kqxcor50gcAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Only ourselves to blame?
13-15-18-21-24-28, I think. I'll confirm when I get to work in a couple hours, and report back if a correction is in order. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/-J0kId8a5x0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Only ourselves to blame?
Hey, I just found a lightly used Shimano 600 freewheel today. 6sp, 13-28, seems smooth and good. In original box with original $29.95 price tag! Anybody want it? Make me an offer that includes shipping. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/a7NNC9iGuooJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Only ourselves to blame?
As far as I can see, we bike consumer types have NOTHING to complain about. There has never been such a wide selection of bikes, parts, and accessories from which to choose. 5/6/7 speed freewheels are still available (and becoming more so, not less), if that's your thing. Yeah, you can buy 10sp or 11sp systems, too, but nobody is forcing you to do that. There is no retro-grouch persecution for us to rally around, though I will concede that you'd be hard pressed to find a new rear derailleur as crappy as what was considered state-of-the-art in the 1970s. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cnYmVWvzmnkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Only ourselves to blame?
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 00:18 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: As far as I can see, we bike consumer types have NOTHING to complain about. There has never been such a wide selection of bikes, parts, and accessories from which to choose. 5/6/7 speed freewheels are still available (and becoming more so, not less), if that's your thing. Barely available, and with a tremendously restricted availability of gearing combinations, compared to years past. Where is the old cog board that let you make custom gearing? Where do you find 5 or 6 speed freewheels for half-step gearing? Where do you find quality freewheels? Nowhere. But it's indexed shifters where the pressure gets applied. Do you like 9 speed and brifters? What do you do when your Shimano STI units fail, as they all eventually do? Can you even buy a replacement other than NOS? Yeah, you can buy 10sp or 11sp systems, too, but nobody is forcing you to do that. Yes, actually they are forcing you. Can you get a new 7, 8 or 9 speed Ultegra or Dura Ace quality STI unit? Can you get any wide range 8 speed cassette that doesn't start with 11? Can you buy a new road bike equipped with a Shimano group of 105 quality level or above with anything but 10? Can you buy any new road bike equipped with Campagnolo that isn't either 10 or 11 (and almost all 11)? There is no retro-grouch persecution for us to rally around, though I will concede that you'd be hard pressed to find a new rear derailleur as crappy as what was considered state-of-the-art in the 1970s. Inexorable pressure and the ever-present threat of obsolescence is how I'd characterize it. Persecution is putting it a bit strong, but claiming the pressure does not exist is denying the truth. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Only ourselves to blame?
Having gotten to the point in life where I have enough spares on the shelf to make it to the finish line, this is more an academic than actual discussion for me. With Loose Screws closing up, one of the few sources of good old stuff is now gone. There certainly are still new freewheels to be had, from IRD direct in 5,6 or 7 speeds http://store.interlocracing.com/fr76and5sp.html The ubiquitous Shimano Hyperglide https://shop.sunrisecyclery.com/item/13986?gclid=CNW9nOaqzLQCFQY5nAodvQUAHQ and some mega range cheap stuff for comfort/mountain style use. The Grouch is right that the rich selections once avail are gone, but that is the way of almost any technology. We can still make it work though. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 00:18 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: As far as I can see, we bike consumer types have NOTHING to complain about. There has never been such a wide selection of bikes, parts, and accessories from which to choose. 5/6/7 speed freewheels are still available (and becoming more so, not less), if that's your thing. Barely available, and with a tremendously restricted availability of gearing combinations, compared to years past. Where is the old cog board that let you make custom gearing? Where do you find 5 or 6 speed freewheels for half-step gearing? Where do you find quality freewheels? Nowhere. But it's indexed shifters where the pressure gets applied. Do you like 9 speed and brifters? What do you do when your Shimano STI units fail, as they all eventually do? Can you even buy a replacement other than NOS? Yeah, you can buy 10sp or 11sp systems, too, but nobody is forcing you to do that. Yes, actually they are forcing you. Can you get a new 7, 8 or 9 speed Ultegra or Dura Ace quality STI unit? Can you get any wide range 8 speed cassette that doesn't start with 11? Can you buy a new road bike equipped with a Shimano group of 105 quality level or above with anything but 10? Can you buy any new road bike equipped with Campagnolo that isn't either 10 or 11 (and almost all 11)? There is no retro-grouch persecution for us to rally around, though I will concede that you'd be hard pressed to find a new rear derailleur as crappy as what was considered state-of-the-art in the 1970s. Inexorable pressure and the ever-present threat of obsolescence is how I'd characterize it. Persecution is putting it a bit strong, but claiming the pressure does not exist is denying the truth. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Only ourselves to blame?
Steve, I noticed recently that qbp is stocking a new line of pricey freewheels with lots of gearing options. I forget the name and I'm not in a place where I could look it up right now. I don't know if that brand has the interchangeability and customizability of old Sun Tour freewheels. But here is a case where the industry is responding to the demand for this kind of thing. There will always be people who want a carburetor instead of a fuel injector, or send handwritten letters instead of email, or old discontinued parts instead of what is currently available. Keeping an old bike on the road is one thing. Setting up a new bike deliberately with obsolete parts is to swim against the current. Many of us here fall into the latter category. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/sVUqvXVJagsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Only ourselves to blame?
Backing up Jim, I looked to QBP and they do offer a line of freewheels from DNP. 7, 8, 9 and 10 speed freewheels (a 10 speed freewheel?!?!). All with an 11 small cog. Aside from that, they have the standard Falcon low end 5 speeders, the Shimanopores and the SunRace offerings. None of those approach the fundamental versatility that Steve P was reckoning back to. On Thursday, January 3, 2013 7:43:20 AM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Steve, I noticed recently that qbp is stocking a new line of pricey freewheels with lots of gearing options. I forget the name and I'm not in a place where I could look it up right now. I don't know if that brand has the interchangeability and customizability of old Sun Tour freewheels. But here is a case where the industry is responding to the demand for this kind of thing. There will always be people who want a carburetor instead of a fuel injector, or send handwritten letters instead of email, or old discontinued parts instead of what is currently available. Keeping an old bike on the road is one thing. Setting up a new bike deliberately with obsolete parts is to swim against the current. Many of us here fall into the latter category. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Dwa5chK-7cEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Only ourselves to blame?
Yep, 9 and 10 spd freewheels exist. The application I know about for these rarities are electric assist rear hubs such as BionX, which use flex of the rear axle as a strain gauge to determine when the rider is pedaling, to activate the assist system. I haven't examined one of these freewheels closely, but not that I could tell much from the outside. The proof, as they say, is in the pudding, and in this case is weather these things can stand up to years of use (beyond occasional usage) and weather and not explode like the IRD and Shimano ones are known to. On Thursday, January 3, 2013 8:07:45 AM UTC-8, William wrote: Backing up Jim, I looked to QBP and they do offer a line of freewheels from DNP. 7, 8, 9 and 10 speed freewheels (a 10 speed freewheel?!?!). All with an 11 small cog. Aside from that, they have the standard Falcon low end 5 speeders, the Shimanopores and the SunRace offerings. None of those approach the fundamental versatility that Steve P was reckoning back to. On Thursday, January 3, 2013 7:43:20 AM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Steve, I noticed recently that qbp is stocking a new line of pricey freewheels with lots of gearing options. I forget the name and I'm not in a place where I could look it up right now. I don't know if that brand has the interchangeability and customizability of old Sun Tour freewheels. But here is a case where the industry is responding to the demand for this kind of thing. There will always be people who want a carburetor instead of a fuel injector, or send handwritten letters instead of email, or old discontinued parts instead of what is currently available. Keeping an old bike on the road is one thing. Setting up a new bike deliberately with obsolete parts is to swim against the current. Many of us here fall into the latter category. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/56VoHDUAutQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Only ourselves to blame?
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 07:43 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Steve, I noticed recently that qbp is stocking a new line of pricey freewheels with lots of gearing options. I forget the name and I'm not in a place where I could look it up right now. I don't know if that brand has the interchangeability and customizability of old Sun Tour freewheels. But here is a case where the industry is responding to the demand for this kind of thing. There will always be people who want a carburetor instead of a fuel injector, or send handwritten letters instead of email, or old discontinued parts instead of what is currently available. Keeping an old bike on the road is one thing. Setting up a new bike deliberately with obsolete parts is to swim against the current. Many of us here fall into the latter category. Yes, but in my opinion it shouldn't be swimming against the current to want to use 7, 8 or 9 speed cassettes. It's not like a 9 speed cassette drive train is as antiquated as a carburetor. There are huge, even monumental advantages to fuel injection over carburetors. Carburetors can't deliver emissions in the range required of new production, not by a long chalk. The relative advantage of 10 sprockets over 9, on the other hand, is trivial, even meaningless to all but a few riders (and that of 11 is even more trivial), while the costs, both in terms of dollars and longevity are great. Ever narrower chains and ever thinner sprockets mean shorter service life and more delicate adjustment as well as costlier chains and cassettes (not to mention shockingly expensive Campagnolo 11 speed chain tools). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Only ourselves to blame?
Can you get any wide range 8 speed cassette that doesn't start with 11? Apparently yes. IRD offers a 12-32 (among other less-wide variants). http://store.interlocracing.com/9and8spmtca.html On Thursday, January 3, 2013 4:54:56 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 00:18 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: As far as I can see, we bike consumer types have NOTHING to complain about. There has never been such a wide selection of bikes, parts, and accessories from which to choose. 5/6/7 speed freewheels are still available (and becoming more so, not less), if that's your thing. Barely available, and with a tremendously restricted availability of gearing combinations, compared to years past. Where is the old cog board that let you make custom gearing? Where do you find 5 or 6 speed freewheels for half-step gearing? Where do you find quality freewheels? Nowhere. But it's indexed shifters where the pressure gets applied. Do you like 9 speed and brifters? What do you do when your Shimano STI units fail, as they all eventually do? Can you even buy a replacement other than NOS? Yeah, you can buy 10sp or 11sp systems, too, but nobody is forcing you to do that. Yes, actually they are forcing you. Can you get a new 7, 8 or 9 speed Ultegra or Dura Ace quality STI unit? Can you get any wide range 8 speed cassette that doesn't start with 11? Can you buy a new road bike equipped with a Shimano group of 105 quality level or above with anything but 10? Can you buy any new road bike equipped with Campagnolo that isn't either 10 or 11 (and almost all 11)? There is no retro-grouch persecution for us to rally around, though I will concede that you'd be hard pressed to find a new rear derailleur as crappy as what was considered state-of-the-art in the 1970s. Inexorable pressure and the ever-present threat of obsolescence is how I'd characterize it. Persecution is putting it a bit strong, but claiming the pressure does not exist is denying the truth. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/A8YXH2CmoJoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Only ourselves to blame?
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 13:55 -0800, William wrote: Can you get any wide range 8 speed cassette that doesn't start with 11? Apparently yes. IRD offers a 12-32 (among other less-wide variants). http://store.interlocracing.com/9and8spmtca.html Good to hear that, because in my opinion the 12-32 (originally an XTR M900 cassette but long since discontinued) was the best 8 speed combination ever offered. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Only ourselves to blame?
I find myself almost disturbingly unconcerned with the makeup of a drivetrain as long as it works for the bike it's on, and I can find the bits somewhere (I always can). 6-and-7speed freewheels, 8-speed cassettes, friction, indexed downtube, indexed trigger shifters, sidepulls, dual-pivots, cantis, V-brakes, and disks. I tend to like lugged-steel frames, Brooks saddles, and uprightish bars. Other than that, it's important to me that the drivetrain look nice and work well, but I seem to find something good about just about every variation of age/technology/number-of-cogs. And yes, I would love to set my Saluki up with Shimano electronic shifting on a Moustache Bar :) Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Thursday, January 3, 2013 1:55:38 PM UTC-8, William wrote: Can you get any wide range 8 speed cassette that doesn't start with 11? Apparently yes. IRD offers a 12-32 (among other less-wide variants). http://store.interlocracing.com/9and8spmtca.html On Thursday, January 3, 2013 4:54:56 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 00:18 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: As far as I can see, we bike consumer types have NOTHING to complain about. There has never been such a wide selection of bikes, parts, and accessories from which to choose. 5/6/7 speed freewheels are still available (and becoming more so, not less), if that's your thing. Barely available, and with a tremendously restricted availability of gearing combinations, compared to years past. Where is the old cog board that let you make custom gearing? Where do you find 5 or 6 speed freewheels for half-step gearing? Where do you find quality freewheels? Nowhere. But it's indexed shifters where the pressure gets applied. Do you like 9 speed and brifters? What do you do when your Shimano STI units fail, as they all eventually do? Can you even buy a replacement other than NOS? Yeah, you can buy 10sp or 11sp systems, too, but nobody is forcing you to do that. Yes, actually they are forcing you. Can you get a new 7, 8 or 9 speed Ultegra or Dura Ace quality STI unit? Can you get any wide range 8 speed cassette that doesn't start with 11? Can you buy a new road bike equipped with a Shimano group of 105 quality level or above with anything but 10? Can you buy any new road bike equipped with Campagnolo that isn't either 10 or 11 (and almost all 11)? There is no retro-grouch persecution for us to rally around, though I will concede that you'd be hard pressed to find a new rear derailleur as crappy as what was considered state-of-the-art in the 1970s. Inexorable pressure and the ever-present threat of obsolescence is how I'd characterize it. Persecution is putting it a bit strong, but claiming the pressure does not exist is denying the truth. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/HGNJApKA81IJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Only ourselves to blame?
Steve I have that 8 speed XTR 12-32 on my Bombadil with one to spare, so I'm right there with you on that. The bummer about the IRD 12-32 is that it has a super goofy cliff right in the middle where both you and I tend to live. Get this: It's a 12-14-16-18-*20*-24-28-32. Jumps of 2-2-2-2-4-4-4. Really unfortunate. It would be *so* much better if that 20 was a 21. 2-2-2-3-3-4-4 is the right way to go. On Thursday, January 3, 2013 2:17:30 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 13:55 -0800, William wrote: Can you get any wide range 8 speed cassette that doesn't start with 11? Apparently yes. IRD offers a 12-32 (among other less-wide variants). http://store.interlocracing.com/9and8spmtca.html Good to hear that, because in my opinion the 12-32 (originally an XTR M900 cassette but long since discontinued) was the best 8 speed combination ever offered. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/CsvutebWumoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Only ourselves to blame?
For no more 5 speed or 6 speed freewheels in production? Been reading Rivreaders and less gears on the back wheel sounds great. But I have seen the readers talking about the dwindling availabilty of these. I am guessing that as racers needed more narrow jumps, it has grown to 11-speed cassettes. I guess that as the bike companies are pushing racing gear for regular cyclists at shops, un-racers riders are taking the bait so all the demand is for the latest racing tech stuff, causing the demise of the 5/6/7 speed freewheels/cassettes? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/bHL_nzRvHt0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
