[RBW] Pedaling in Circles article by a cycling coach that reiterates G.P.'s assertion
http://cyclingillustrated.com/pedaling-circles-by-sean-burke/ Nice to see that at least one cycling coach who trains competitive riders is acknowledging this, especially in Cycling Illustrated (the very-racy website I've managed to infiltrate with my own totally-non-racy weekly column, though this one isn't mine). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/b7BJnRIW0hkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Pedaling in Circles article by a cycling coach that reiterates G.P.'s assertion
This has been the conventional wisdom for some time: http://sheldonbrown.com/brandt/ankling.html I remember when its efficacy *was* the conventional wisdom, from at least the late 60s to the 80s or 90s. IME, the truth as usual lies in between: you can pedal in circles to some effect, but only for short periods. Two examples: deliberately pulling back and (at least for a short part of the return stroke) up when torquing up steep hills in a high gear; when accelerating for a sprint. I at least can't keep it up for much more than a few moments and, even if I could, I'm not sure it would do me much good except when trying to put extra torque to the pedals. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Scot Brooks scothinck...@gmail.com wrote: http://cyclingillustrated.com/pedaling-circles-by-sean-burke/ Nice to see that at least one cycling coach who trains competitive riders is acknowledging this, especially in Cycling Illustrated (the very-racy website I've managed to infiltrate with my own totally-non-racy weekly column, though this one isn't mine). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/b7BJnRIW0hkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Believe nothing until it has been officially denied. -- Claude Cockburn - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Pedaling in Circles article by a cycling coach that reiterates G.P.'s assertion
I see from a closer look that the author basically says the same thing: not that pedaling in circles accomplishes nothing, but that it does not do so more efficiently -- with exceptions: he advances mountain biking (ie, up steep hills in lowish gears, I assume) but the same is true as below. Note too that the examples I give assume that one does not use one's gears to best effect -- or that one doesn't have the benefit of multiple gears. Climbing very steep hills, I assume, would be more efficiently done in lower gears; and sprinting, I assume, would be better done mashing a higher gear. I assume. Of course people pedal differently, so who knows. Patrick if I wanted to be as efficient as possible I wouldn't ride fixed Moore On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 12:49 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: This has been the conventional wisdom for some time: http://sheldonbrown.com/brandt/ankling.html I remember when its efficacy *was* the conventional wisdom, from at least the late 60s to the 80s or 90s. IME, the truth as usual lies in between: you can pedal in circles to some effect, but only for short periods. Two examples: deliberately pulling back and (at least for a short part of the return stroke) up when torquing up steep hills in a high gear; when accelerating for a sprint. I at least can't keep it up for much more than a few moments and, even if I could, I'm not sure it would do me much good except when trying to put extra torque to the pedals. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Scot Brooks scothinck...@gmail.comwrote: http://cyclingillustrated.com/pedaling-circles-by-sean-burke/ Nice to see that at least one cycling coach who trains competitive riders is acknowledging this, especially in Cycling Illustrated (the very-racy website I've managed to infiltrate with my own totally-non-racy weekly column, though this one isn't mine). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/b7BJnRIW0hkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Believe nothing until it has been officially denied. -- Claude Cockburn - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- Believe nothing until it has been officially denied. -- Claude Cockburn - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Pedaling in Circles article by a cycling coach that reiterates G.P.'s assertion
No scientific basis for this at all, just a single data point. I agree, cycling in circles seems good, but only for a short while, and not at all going uphill. Mostly it helps me to smooth out my motion and that feels like an advantage. I notice something else that seems to make a bigger difference in my pedal stroke. When I am tired my knees tend to move outward, and when I move them back over the pedal I at least feel more efficient. Lots of rain and too many commitments rather unhappily keeping me away from Fall riding. It's a shame as we are at midseason foliage right now. Michael Westford, Vt On Saturday, October 6, 2012 2:58:24 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: I see from a closer look that the author basically says the same thing: not that pedaling in circles accomplishes nothing, but that it does not do so more efficiently -- with exceptions: he advances mountain biking (ie, up steep hills in lowish gears, I assume) but the same is true as below. Note too that the examples I give assume that one does not use one's gears to best effect -- or that one doesn't have the benefit of multiple gears. Climbing very steep hills, I assume, would be more efficiently done in lower gears; and sprinting, I assume, would be better done mashing a higher gear. I assume. Of course people pedal differently, so who knows. Patrick if I wanted to be as efficient as possible I wouldn't ride fixed Moore On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 12:49 PM, PATRICK MOORE bert...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: This has been the conventional wisdom for some time: http://sheldonbrown.com/brandt/ankling.html I remember when its efficacy *was* the conventional wisdom, from at least the late 60s to the 80s or 90s. IME, the truth as usual lies in between: you can pedal in circles to some effect, but only for short periods. Two examples: deliberately pulling back and (at least for a short part of the return stroke) up when torquing up steep hills in a high gear; when accelerating for a sprint. I at least can't keep it up for much more than a few moments and, even if I could, I'm not sure it would do me much good except when trying to put extra torque to the pedals. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Scot Brooks scothi...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: http://cyclingillustrated.com/pedaling-circles-by-sean-burke/ Nice to see that at least one cycling coach who trains competitive riders is acknowledging this, especially in Cycling Illustrated (the very-racy website I've managed to infiltrate with my own totally-non-racy weekly column, though this one isn't mine). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/b7BJnRIW0hkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Believe nothing until it has been officially denied. -- Claude Cockburn - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- Believe nothing until it has been officially denied. -- Claude Cockburn - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/-ehe9HqxtlsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
