[RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[Drew Fitchette]

Hey Robert,

As someone with similar dimensions I'd suggest the 700c. The added height 
will make it much easier to get you bars up where you'd probably like them. 

I had a 53cm Atlantis from the last batch with 650b's and I had to max out 
the stem height being just under 6ft tall. I eventually sized up to a 
bigger frame with 700c wheels.

- Drew

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:02:21 PM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:

> If this is your one bike, I’d say go for the 700c. You’re already used to 
> that wheel size from the Vaya. Maybe you have some tubes and 700c parts as 
> well. 
> Additionally, I am the same height as you with a 83.3cm PBH and much 
> prefer 700c. I like the handling and rollover when on rough roads. 
> I had a Romanceur (650b) and a Hunqapillar (700c). Hunq was my favorite. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 8:56:30 AM UTC-6 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @aero and @hoch: I am selling my customized Salsa Vaya 55cm (700c) to 
>> fund this purchase, and the Homer would be my only bicycle (I say that 
>> now). I don't have any specific tires in mind and I wouldn't have any other 
>> wheels to swap out. There seems to be several 42-44 tires that would fit my 
>> riding needs for 650b, and clearly a *lot* more for 700c. I wouldn't be 
>> doing any long touring on this where tire availability is a factor. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:45:04 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> Robert - the geometry comparison highlights the point I was going to 
>>> make that given your PBH, the 650b will likely have better standover 
>>> clearance if you want to run tires at the larger end of the Homer's range.
>>>
>>> My rough stuff road bike has disc brakes so could take either 650b or 
>>> 700c wheels. Since I was wanting to run wider tires I went with 650x48 to 
>>> get the extra 16mm standover in a frame size that is near the cusp of what 
>>> I can clear.
>>>
>>> That comparison shows a much larger difference in standover, as well as 
>>> other differences that make it look to me like the 650b will be a better 
>>> fit for your proportions.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:36:56 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Bill! That's helpful. The colors are the same on both offerings 
 and the 650B's build is essentially what I would do to the 700c (with the 
 help of my lovely LBS, of course). I'm not really too concerned with 
 resale 
 value, but rather the general riding experience. I suppose I could simply 
 research the litany of 650b vs 700c threads out there to learn more about 
 this. The geometry between the two are slightly different, however. 

 The BikeInsights chart attached below shows the 700c to be quite a bit 
 taller than the 650b, which I wonder if that translates into overall 
 comfort with regards to standover and handling.  
 On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:22:15 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> If it were me the decision is close enough that I'd probably leave it 
> to the surrounding details of each transaction.  I'm a particularly 
> snobby 
> and self-absorbed curator of "builds" so that would be a huge vote in 
> favor 
> of the 700 because it's a frame, unless the curator of the 650b build did 
> a 
> lot of the things I would have done.  The effective "labor cost" of doing 
> a 
> build is essentially zero for me.  Is one a shop and the other a person? 
>  That would have some weight for me.  If the shop was one that I could 
> frequent, putting money in the register of a shop reaps benefits down the 
> road.  If the person was one that I had particular respect for, that 
> could 
> tilt me a different way.  
>
> Then there's color!  
>
> but...if we took it to a purely hypothetical situation, and asserted 
> they were both frames, both in identical condition, at the same price, 
> and 
> from the same seller, so the real and only difference was 650B vs 700, 
> then 
> I'd probably lean 700 because the 700 wheel on the 54.5 is "the latest", 
> and probably has a tiny bit better future proof resale value.  If that 
> wasn't the case and it really was completely wheel size then I'd 
> personally 
> probably lean 650B for a Hilsen, but it would be like a vote of 52 to 48, 
> and my leaning may change on another day.
>
> Both are great bikes.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:20:48 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> It's looking like I'll have the opportunity to purchase either 
>> bicycle within the next week or so, a 54.5 Homer in 700c or 650b. I'm 
>> 5'11" 
>> with a 83.8PBH, so spot on for both of those sizes. 
>>
>> I'm curious what the wisdom of the community is in regards to making 
>> this decision, which should I consider more strongly? The price 
>> difference 
>> is 

[RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[Hoch in ut]

If this is your one bike, I’d say go for the 700c. You’re already used to 
that wheel size from the Vaya. Maybe you have some tubes and 700c parts as 
well. 
Additionally, I am the same height as you with a 83.3cm PBH and much prefer 
700c. I like the handling and rollover when on rough roads. 
I had a Romanceur (650b) and a Hunqapillar (700c). Hunq was my favorite. 

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 8:56:30 AM UTC-6 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> @aero and @hoch: I am selling my customized Salsa Vaya 55cm (700c) to fund 
> this purchase, and the Homer would be my only bicycle (I say that now). I 
> don't have any specific tires in mind and I wouldn't have any other wheels 
> to swap out. There seems to be several 42-44 tires that would fit my riding 
> needs for 650b, and clearly a *lot* more for 700c. I wouldn't be doing 
> any long touring on this where tire availability is a factor. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:45:04 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>
>> Robert - the geometry comparison highlights the point I was going to make 
>> that given your PBH, the 650b will likely have better standover clearance 
>> if you want to run tires at the larger end of the Homer's range.
>>
>> My rough stuff road bike has disc brakes so could take either 650b or 
>> 700c wheels. Since I was wanting to run wider tires I went with 650x48 to 
>> get the extra 16mm standover in a frame size that is near the cusp of what 
>> I can clear.
>>
>> That comparison shows a much larger difference in standover, as well as 
>> other differences that make it look to me like the 650b will be a better 
>> fit for your proportions.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:36:56 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Bill! That's helpful. The colors are the same on both offerings 
>>> and the 650B's build is essentially what I would do to the 700c (with the 
>>> help of my lovely LBS, of course). I'm not really too concerned with resale 
>>> value, but rather the general riding experience. I suppose I could simply 
>>> research the litany of 650b vs 700c threads out there to learn more about 
>>> this. The geometry between the two are slightly different, however. 
>>>
>>> The BikeInsights chart attached below shows the 700c to be quite a bit 
>>> taller than the 650b, which I wonder if that translates into overall 
>>> comfort with regards to standover and handling.  
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:22:15 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 If it were me the decision is close enough that I'd probably leave it 
 to the surrounding details of each transaction.  I'm a particularly snobby 
 and self-absorbed curator of "builds" so that would be a huge vote in 
 favor 
 of the 700 because it's a frame, unless the curator of the 650b build did 
 a 
 lot of the things I would have done.  The effective "labor cost" of doing 
 a 
 build is essentially zero for me.  Is one a shop and the other a person? 
  That would have some weight for me.  If the shop was one that I could 
 frequent, putting money in the register of a shop reaps benefits down the 
 road.  If the person was one that I had particular respect for, that could 
 tilt me a different way.  

 Then there's color!  

 but...if we took it to a purely hypothetical situation, and asserted 
 they were both frames, both in identical condition, at the same price, and 
 from the same seller, so the real and only difference was 650B vs 700, 
 then 
 I'd probably lean 700 because the 700 wheel on the 54.5 is "the latest", 
 and probably has a tiny bit better future proof resale value.  If that 
 wasn't the case and it really was completely wheel size then I'd 
 personally 
 probably lean 650B for a Hilsen, but it would be like a vote of 52 to 48, 
 and my leaning may change on another day.

 Both are great bikes.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA



 On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:20:48 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:

> It's looking like I'll have the opportunity to purchase either bicycle 
> within the next week or so, a 54.5 Homer in 700c or 650b. I'm 5'11" with 
> a 
> 83.8PBH, so spot on for both of those sizes. 
>
> I'm curious what the wisdom of the community is in regards to making 
> this decision, which should I consider more strongly? The price 
> difference 
> is negligible. They both have similar components on it (the 650 is a 
> complete bike, the 700c I'd have to build up from a frameset and the cost 
> is about equal for both). 
>
> I mainly ride pavement and rail trails with the occasional wooded 
> paths. 
>
> Thoughts? :) 
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[Ahmed Elgasseir]

Thank you!!! FWIW, I used to have a 650b homer and I sold it to fund
another bike and I’ve regretted it ever since.

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*Castilleja School*

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On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 9:05 AM Robert Calton  wrote:

> @Ahmed: The 650b Homers look to be from 2019 MIT run and before.
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 11:27:08 AM UTC-4 aelga...@castilleja.org
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I’m curious about when the 54.5 650b is from? I thought all Rivs 54.5
>> Homers were 700c now.
>>
>> A
>>
>> *Ahmed Elgasseir*
>>
>> Department Chair, Visual and Performing Arts
>>
>>
>> *Castilleja School*
>>
>> 1310 Bryant Street
>> 
>>
>> Palo Alto, CA 94301
>> 
>>
>>
>> P (415) 654-7977
>>
>> E aelga...@castilleja.org
>>
>> www.castilleja.org
>>
>>
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>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 8:18 AM aeroperf  wrote:
>>
>>> All that considered, I’d say get the taller bike.
>>> The folks at Riv do tend to put you on the tallest bike they think will
>>> clear your stand-over height.
>>> The tiny bit extra chainstay length and wheelbase will add to the “Riv
>>> ride” feel.
>>> And you won’t have so much seat post showing that you’ll think you've
>>> moved from a Salsa to a Brompton.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[藍俊彪]

Toshi that's good to know. We have only 2 650b bikes in the garage: my
8-year-old's Salsa Journeyman (shod with Pacenti Pari-Moto 38mm tires) and
my wife's Santa Cruz 5010, which is a mountain bike with no need for skinny
tires. The 8 year old won't take too many years to outgrow the Journeyman
and will graduate to his brother's Roadini, and I'll be surprised if he
puts in enough miles to wear out the Pari-Moto tires.

On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 9:25 AM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> Piaw,
>
> There is a Grand Bois Cypres in 650b size 32 mm.  The same tire in 700c
> runs great on my Roadeo.  I run the extra light version (EL).
>
> I consider them the cheaper precursor to the Rene Herse tires and they
> ride great.
>
> Scott Davis in the 650b group purchases and distributes them in the US:
> francopedia (you know the symbol)
> gmail (you know the end)
> He might have those in stock.  I also ride Hetre 650bx42 mm both EL and
> regular casing, so I sometimes order direct from Grand Bois.  The yen is
> still weak, and shipping is reasonable, so you can consider that route if
> you order multiple tires etc.
>
> Toshi
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 8:52 AM Piaw Na  wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 7:56:30 AM UTC-7 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> @aero and @hoch: I am selling my customized Salsa Vaya 55cm (700c) to
>> fund this purchase, and the Homer would be my only bicycle (I say that
>> now). I don't have any specific tires in mind and I wouldn't have any other
>> wheels to swap out. There seems to be several 42-44 tires that would fit my
>> riding needs for 650b, and clearly a *lot* more for 700c.
>>
>>
>> For me this is the big deal about 650b. There are basically no tires
>> narrower than 38mm for the 650b, whereas if you want to run 28->32mm tires
>> 700c has a huge offering.  For my wife and son commuting in suburban
>> pavement 28->32mm is the sweet spot and 650b isn't a good option by
>> comparison.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Piaw,

There is a Grand Bois Cypres in 650b size 32 mm.  The same tire in 700c
runs great on my Roadeo.  I run the extra light version (EL).

I consider them the cheaper precursor to the Rene Herse tires and they ride
great.

Scott Davis in the 650b group purchases and distributes them in the US:
francopedia (you know the symbol)
gmail (you know the end)
He might have those in stock.  I also ride Hetre 650bx42 mm both EL and
regular casing, so I sometimes order direct from Grand Bois.  The yen is
still weak, and shipping is reasonable, so you can consider that route if
you order multiple tires etc.

Toshi




On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 8:52 AM Piaw Na  wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 7:56:30 AM UTC-7 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> @aero and @hoch: I am selling my customized Salsa Vaya 55cm (700c) to fund
> this purchase, and the Homer would be my only bicycle (I say that now). I
> don't have any specific tires in mind and I wouldn't have any other wheels
> to swap out. There seems to be several 42-44 tires that would fit my riding
> needs for 650b, and clearly a *lot* more for 700c.
>
>
> For me this is the big deal about 650b. There are basically no tires
> narrower than 38mm for the 650b, whereas if you want to run 28->32mm tires
> 700c has a huge offering.  For my wife and son commuting in suburban
> pavement 28->32mm is the sweet spot and 650b isn't a good option by
> comparison.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[Cody Marvin]

I have a few bikes, including a Sam Hillborne 650b (51cm) and a Bridgestone
RB-T 700c (53cm). For the kind of riding you describe I mostly ride the
RB-T. I realize this isn't an exact comparison, but I've found 700x35c to
be pretty ideal for pavement and rail trails, and I feel like I would
probably ride the Sam more often if it was 700c. To me the Sam can feel a
little sluggish at times, and I attribute that at least in part to the
wheel size (this isn't universal, I have a couple other "fast" 650b bikes).
I'm sure opinions are all over the place about this, and I'm not exactly
trying to present an argument, but if I were in your shoes I'd go 700c.

Cody
Chicago

On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 10:52 AM Piaw Na  wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 7:56:30 AM UTC-7 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> @aero and @hoch: I am selling my customized Salsa Vaya 55cm (700c) to fund
> this purchase, and the Homer would be my only bicycle (I say that now). I
> don't have any specific tires in mind and I wouldn't have any other wheels
> to swap out. There seems to be several 42-44 tires that would fit my riding
> needs for 650b, and clearly a *lot* more for 700c.
>
>
> For me this is the big deal about 650b. There are basically no tires
> narrower than 38mm for the 650b, whereas if you want to run 28->32mm tires
> 700c has a huge offering.  For my wife and son commuting in suburban
> pavement 28->32mm is the sweet spot and 650b isn't a good option by
> comparison.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[Mathias Steiner]

Robert,
One consideration that hasn't come up explicitly is the rest of your 
stable. Do you already have other wheels in 650b? If you don't, think hard 
about adding a new size.

I donated the sewup wheels of my first road bike a few years back, and it 
was a wrench. But I had resolved to stick to one kind of tires, and that 
was a good decision.

I have since strayed and added one bike with 27" wheels -- easily fixed by 
switching to 700... and am setting up a Trek sport tourer with 650b. 
If I like it, I'll get a road bike that I can ride with 700x38-42 wheels.


There's a lot to be said for keeping things simple.

cheers -m


On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 12:04:52 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> @Ahmed: The 650b Homers look to be from 2019 MIT run and before. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 11:27:08 AM UTC-4 aelga...@castilleja.org 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I’m curious about when the 54.5 650b is from? I thought all Rivs 54.5 
>> Homers were 700c now. 
>>
>> A
>>
>> *Ahmed Elgasseir*
>>
>> Department Chair, Visual and Performing Arts
>>
>>
>> *Castilleja School* 
>>
>> 1310 Bryant Street 
>> 
>>
>> Palo Alto, CA 94301 
>> 
>>
>>
>> P (415) 654-7977
>>
>> E aelga...@castilleja.org
>>
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>>
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>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 8:18 AM aeroperf  wrote:
>>
>>> All that considered, I’d say get the taller bike.
>>> The folks at Riv do tend to put you on the tallest bike they think will 
>>> clear your stand-over height.
>>> The tiny bit extra chainstay length and wheelbase will add to the “Riv 
>>> ride” feel.
>>> And you won’t have so much seat post showing that you’ll think you've 
>>> moved from a Salsa to a Brompton.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[Robert Calton]

@Ahmed: The 650b Homers look to be from 2019 MIT run and before. 

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 11:27:08 AM UTC-4 aelga...@castilleja.org 
wrote:

> Hi all,
> I’m curious about when the 54.5 650b is from? I thought all Rivs 54.5 
> Homers were 700c now. 
>
> A
>
> *Ahmed Elgasseir*
>
> Department Chair, Visual and Performing Arts
>
>
> *Castilleja School* 
>
> 1310 Bryant Street 
> 
>
> Palo Alto, CA 94301 
> 
>
>
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>
> E aelga...@castilleja.org
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>
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> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 8:18 AM aeroperf  wrote:
>
>> All that considered, I’d say get the taller bike.
>> The folks at Riv do tend to put you on the tallest bike they think will 
>> clear your stand-over height.
>> The tiny bit extra chainstay length and wheelbase will add to the “Riv 
>> ride” feel.
>> And you won’t have so much seat post showing that you’ll think you've 
>> moved from a Salsa to a Brompton.
>>
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[RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[Piaw Na]

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 7:56:30 AM UTC-7 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

@aero and @hoch: I am selling my customized Salsa Vaya 55cm (700c) to fund 
this purchase, and the Homer would be my only bicycle (I say that now). I 
don't have any specific tires in mind and I wouldn't have any other wheels 
to swap out. There seems to be several 42-44 tires that would fit my riding 
needs for 650b, and clearly a *lot* more for 700c. 


For me this is the big deal about 650b. There are basically no tires 
narrower than 38mm for the 650b, whereas if you want to run 28->32mm tires 
700c has a huge offering.  For my wife and son commuting in suburban 
pavement 28->32mm is the sweet spot and 650b isn't a good option by 
comparison.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[Ahmed Elgasseir]

Hi all,
I’m curious about when the 54.5 650b is from? I thought all Rivs 54.5
Homers were 700c now.

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On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 8:18 AM aeroperf  wrote:

> All that considered, I’d say get the taller bike.
> The folks at Riv do tend to put you on the tallest bike they think will
> clear your stand-over height.
> The tiny bit extra chainstay length and wheelbase will add to the “Riv
> ride” feel.
> And you won’t have so much seat post showing that you’ll think you've
> moved from a Salsa to a Brompton.
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[RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[aeroperf]

All that considered, I’d say get the taller bike.
The folks at Riv do tend to put you on the tallest bike they think will 
clear your stand-over height.
The tiny bit extra chainstay length and wheelbase will add to the “Riv 
ride” feel.
And you won’t have so much seat post showing that you’ll think you've moved 
from a Salsa to a Brompton.

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[RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[Robert Calton]

@aero and @hoch: I am selling my customized Salsa Vaya 55cm (700c) to fund 
this purchase, and the Homer would be my only bicycle (I say that now). I 
don't have any specific tires in mind and I wouldn't have any other wheels 
to swap out. There seems to be several 42-44 tires that would fit my riding 
needs for 650b, and clearly a *lot* more for 700c. I wouldn't be doing any 
long touring on this where tire availability is a factor. 

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:45:04 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Robert - the geometry comparison highlights the point I was going to make 
> that given your PBH, the 650b will likely have better standover clearance 
> if you want to run tires at the larger end of the Homer's range.
>
> My rough stuff road bike has disc brakes so could take either 650b or 700c 
> wheels. Since I was wanting to run wider tires I went with 650x48 to get 
> the extra 16mm standover in a frame size that is near the cusp of what I 
> can clear.
>
> That comparison shows a much larger difference in standover, as well as 
> other differences that make it look to me like the 650b will be a better 
> fit for your proportions.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:36:56 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> Thanks Bill! That's helpful. The colors are the same on both offerings 
>> and the 650B's build is essentially what I would do to the 700c (with the 
>> help of my lovely LBS, of course). I'm not really too concerned with resale 
>> value, but rather the general riding experience. I suppose I could simply 
>> research the litany of 650b vs 700c threads out there to learn more about 
>> this. The geometry between the two are slightly different, however. 
>>
>> The BikeInsights chart attached below shows the 700c to be quite a bit 
>> taller than the 650b, which I wonder if that translates into overall 
>> comfort with regards to standover and handling.  
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:22:15 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> If it were me the decision is close enough that I'd probably leave it to 
>>> the surrounding details of each transaction.  I'm a particularly snobby and 
>>> self-absorbed curator of "builds" so that would be a huge vote in favor of 
>>> the 700 because it's a frame, unless the curator of the 650b build did a 
>>> lot of the things I would have done.  The effective "labor cost" of doing a 
>>> build is essentially zero for me.  Is one a shop and the other a person? 
>>>  That would have some weight for me.  If the shop was one that I could 
>>> frequent, putting money in the register of a shop reaps benefits down the 
>>> road.  If the person was one that I had particular respect for, that could 
>>> tilt me a different way.  
>>>
>>> Then there's color!  
>>>
>>> but...if we took it to a purely hypothetical situation, and asserted 
>>> they were both frames, both in identical condition, at the same price, and 
>>> from the same seller, so the real and only difference was 650B vs 700, then 
>>> I'd probably lean 700 because the 700 wheel on the 54.5 is "the latest", 
>>> and probably has a tiny bit better future proof resale value.  If that 
>>> wasn't the case and it really was completely wheel size then I'd personally 
>>> probably lean 650B for a Hilsen, but it would be like a vote of 52 to 48, 
>>> and my leaning may change on another day.
>>>
>>> Both are great bikes.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:20:48 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:
>>>
 It's looking like I'll have the opportunity to purchase either bicycle 
 within the next week or so, a 54.5 Homer in 700c or 650b. I'm 5'11" with a 
 83.8PBH, so spot on for both of those sizes. 

 I'm curious what the wisdom of the community is in regards to making 
 this decision, which should I consider more strongly? The price difference 
 is negligible. They both have similar components on it (the 650 is a 
 complete bike, the 700c I'd have to build up from a frameset and the cost 
 is about equal for both). 

 I mainly ride pavement and rail trails with the occasional wooded 
 paths. 

 Thoughts? :) 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[DavidP]

Robert - the geometry comparison highlights the point I was going to make 
that given your PBH, the 650b will likely have better standover clearance 
if you want to run tires at the larger end of the Homer's range.

My rough stuff road bike has disc brakes so could take either 650b or 700c 
wheels. Since I was wanting to run wider tires I went with 650x48 to get 
the extra 16mm standover in a frame size that is near the cusp of what I 
can clear.

That comparison shows a much larger difference in standover, as well as 
other differences that make it look to me like the 650b will be a better 
fit for your proportions.

-Dave

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:36:56 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> Thanks Bill! That's helpful. The colors are the same on both offerings and 
> the 650B's build is essentially what I would do to the 700c (with the help 
> of my lovely LBS, of course). I'm not really too concerned with resale 
> value, but rather the general riding experience. I suppose I could simply 
> research the litany of 650b vs 700c threads out there to learn more about 
> this. The geometry between the two are slightly different, however. 
>
> The BikeInsights chart attached below shows the 700c to be quite a bit 
> taller than the 650b, which I wonder if that translates into overall 
> comfort with regards to standover and handling.  
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:22:15 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> If it were me the decision is close enough that I'd probably leave it to 
>> the surrounding details of each transaction.  I'm a particularly snobby and 
>> self-absorbed curator of "builds" so that would be a huge vote in favor of 
>> the 700 because it's a frame, unless the curator of the 650b build did a 
>> lot of the things I would have done.  The effective "labor cost" of doing a 
>> build is essentially zero for me.  Is one a shop and the other a person? 
>>  That would have some weight for me.  If the shop was one that I could 
>> frequent, putting money in the register of a shop reaps benefits down the 
>> road.  If the person was one that I had particular respect for, that could 
>> tilt me a different way.  
>>
>> Then there's color!  
>>
>> but...if we took it to a purely hypothetical situation, and asserted they 
>> were both frames, both in identical condition, at the same price, and from 
>> the same seller, so the real and only difference was 650B vs 700, then I'd 
>> probably lean 700 because the 700 wheel on the 54.5 is "the latest", and 
>> probably has a tiny bit better future proof resale value.  If that wasn't 
>> the case and it really was completely wheel size then I'd personally 
>> probably lean 650B for a Hilsen, but it would be like a vote of 52 to 48, 
>> and my leaning may change on another day.
>>
>> Both are great bikes.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:20:48 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:
>>
>>> It's looking like I'll have the opportunity to purchase either bicycle 
>>> within the next week or so, a 54.5 Homer in 700c or 650b. I'm 5'11" with a 
>>> 83.8PBH, so spot on for both of those sizes. 
>>>
>>> I'm curious what the wisdom of the community is in regards to making 
>>> this decision, which should I consider more strongly? The price difference 
>>> is negligible. They both have similar components on it (the 650 is a 
>>> complete bike, the 700c I'd have to build up from a frameset and the cost 
>>> is about equal for both). 
>>>
>>> I mainly ride pavement and rail trails with the occasional wooded paths. 
>>>
>>> Thoughts? :) 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[Hoch in ut]

I agree with aeroperf. Both will work just fine for your usage. I’d just 
base it on the other bikes in your possession. It’s nice to swap tires and 
dynamo wheels between bikes. 

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 7:58:10 AM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:

> I would think it would be all about the tires.
>
> If you have more than one bike, what are the wheel sizes of the others? 
>  You might want to standardize so you can swap tires.  Or if you have 
> specific tires in mind, what size do they come in?
> While there are now a lot of options for 650b tires, there are still a lot 
> more for 700c.  If you shred a tire out on a tour, it might be easier to 
> find a 700c to press on with.
>
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[RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[Bill Lindsay]

If it were me the decision is close enough that I'd probably leave it to 
the surrounding details of each transaction.  I'm a particularly snobby and 
self-absorbed curator of "builds" so that would be a huge vote in favor of 
the 700 because it's a frame, unless the curator of the 650b build did a 
lot of the things I would have done.  The effective "labor cost" of doing a 
build is essentially zero for me.  Is one a shop and the other a person? 
 That would have some weight for me.  If the shop was one that I could 
frequent, putting money in the register of a shop reaps benefits down the 
road.  If the person was one that I had particular respect for, that could 
tilt me a different way.  

Then there's color!  

but...if we took it to a purely hypothetical situation, and asserted they 
were both frames, both in identical condition, at the same price, and from 
the same seller, so the real and only difference was 650B vs 700, then I'd 
probably lean 700 because the 700 wheel on the 54.5 is "the latest", and 
probably has a tiny bit better future proof resale value.  If that wasn't 
the case and it really was completely wheel size then I'd personally 
probably lean 650B for a Hilsen, but it would be like a vote of 52 to 48, 
and my leaning may change on another day.

Both are great bikes.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA



On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:20:48 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:

> It's looking like I'll have the opportunity to purchase either bicycle 
> within the next week or so, a 54.5 Homer in 700c or 650b. I'm 5'11" with a 
> 83.8PBH, so spot on for both of those sizes. 
>
> I'm curious what the wisdom of the community is in regards to making this 
> decision, which should I consider more strongly? The price difference is 
> negligible. They both have similar components on it (the 650 is a complete 
> bike, the 700c I'd have to build up from a frameset and the cost is about 
> equal for both). 
>
> I mainly ride pavement and rail trails with the occasional wooded paths. 
>
> Thoughts? :) 
>

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[RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[aeroperf]

I would think it would be all about the tires.

If you have more than one bike, what are the wheel sizes of the others? 
 You might want to standardize so you can swap tires.  Or if you have 
specific tires in mind, what size do they come in?
While there are now a lot of options for 650b tires, there are still a lot 
more for 700c.  If you shred a tire out on a tour, it might be easier to 
find a 700c to press on with.

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