[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
On Oct 4, 8:21 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: On Oct 3, 8:44 pm, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote: well, there is at least the 650b Nokian A10 around, perhaps more studded tires on the way. Yes, I know. Tried them. But they don't fit Synergy rims. The 584mm Nokian A10's fit Velocity Synergy rims perfectly, at least on the pairs I own. Sounds like you had an off-spec pair or maybe I got incredibly lucky. John McMurry Burlington, VT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
How is he concerned with the geometry? I have a 62 650B bike that I think looks rather good, proportionally speaking. On Oct 4, 1:13 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 06:14 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I'd say buy the bike and ride it. Don't even worry about hoarding beyond maybe 1-2 extra sets of tires and half a dozen tubes when they are found at a good price. Worst case future scenario - convert the bike to 26x1-3/8 (590), which, worldwide, is probably more common than 700c. There's no need at all to hoard tubes. Every bike shop in this country, I'll wager, carries the right size tube to fit a 650B bike. It's typically labeled 559 x 1.25 - 1.5. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
Not sure exactly but he likely be on the edge of needing something larger than a 60. Not even an option it would seem. Perhaps that's the issue. I'll ask. On Oct 5, 1:34 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: How is he concerned with the geometry? I have a 62 650B bike that I think looks rather good, proportionally speaking. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
The bigger Hillbornes (56 and 60 cm) take 700C, so 650B isn't even an issue... On Oct 5, 4:11 pm, bradgantt bga...@dentsuamerica.com wrote: Not sure exactly but he likely be on the edge of needing something larger than a 60. Not even an option it would seem. Perhaps that's the issue. I'll ask. On Oct 5, 1:34 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: How is he concerned with the geometry? I have a 62 650B bike that I think looks rather good, proportionally speaking. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
Hmmm, interesting. I certainly could have looked into that myself but I thought he already had. He's certainly larger than a 56 so this whole thing is much ado about nothing apparently. I do appreciate everybody's advice and opinions on the 650 issue though, as does he. On Oct 5, 5:48 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: The bigger Hillbornes (56 and 60 cm) take 700C, so 650B isn't even an issue... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
Yes, I know. Tried them. But they don't fit Synergy rims. Am pretty sure we had this discussion last winter. I apologize for bringing it up again. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Oct 3, 8:44�pm, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote: well, there is at least the 650b Nokian A10 around, perhaps more studded tires on the way. On Oct 3, 5:58�pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Another one who feels that 650B will probably be around for a long time. My caveat - if he rides in winter and uses studded tires, there may be a problem. �However, that is probably a discussion for a different list at a different time. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Oct 3, 12:35 pm, bradgantt bga...@dentsuamerica.com wrote: I have a friend who is seriously considering purchasing a Hillborne for his next bike. His only hesitation is committing to 650B given the fact that he tends to hang on to bikes for a long time. His specific concern is the availability of tires,tubes,wheels several years from now. I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
I'd say buy the bike and ride it. Don't even worry about hoarding beyond maybe 1-2 extra sets of tires and half a dozen tubes when they are found at a good price. Worst case future scenario - convert the bike to 26x1-3/8 (590), which, worldwide, is probably more common than 700c. On Oct 3, 12:35 pm, bradgantt bga...@dentsuamerica.com wrote: I have a friend who is seriously considering purchasing a Hillborne for his next bike. His only hesitation is committing to 650B given the fact that he tends to hang on to bikes for a long time. His specific concern is the availability of tires,tubes,wheels several years from now. I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
Thanks everybody. I forwarded the link to this thread and I'm sure it will help him make his decision. When I spoke to him last night, he had moved on (thanks to you) from concern over the tire/rim issue to one of geometry in the larger sizes. I'm going to bring him with me when I visit RBWWHL to pick-up my custom. That should push him off of the fence. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
on 10/4/09 10:37 AM, bradgantt at bga...@dentsuamerica.com wrote: Thanks everybody. I forwarded the link to this thread and I'm sure it will help him make his decision. When I spoke to him last night, he had moved on (thanks to you) from concern over the tire/rim issue to one of geometry in the larger sizes. I'm going to bring him with me when I visit RBWWHL to pick-up my custom. That should push him off of the fence. Riding the danged bike... is always a deal-maker. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Your Photos are needed! - http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines I thought the idea was to waste the rest of our lives together.. -- Cyril, Breaking Away --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 06:14 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I'd say buy the bike and ride it. Don't even worry about hoarding beyond maybe 1-2 extra sets of tires and half a dozen tubes when they are found at a good price. Worst case future scenario - convert the bike to 26x1-3/8 (590), which, worldwide, is probably more common than 700c. There's no need at all to hoard tubes. Every bike shop in this country, I'll wager, carries the right size tube to fit a 650B bike. It's typically labeled 559 x 1.25 - 1.5. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
I think a good question for him to answer for himself is how he currently gets parts for his bikes. If he uses mail-order, there will always be a way to get 650b consumables. If he currently gets off the shelf parts from his LBS, he may not comfortable w/ the 650b size. Another alternative is to buy horde, which behavior I may or may not resemble. :-) On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:35 AM, bradgantt bga...@dentsuamerica.com wrote: I have a friend who is seriously considering purchasing a Hillborne for his next bike. His only hesitation is committing to 650B given the fact that he tends to hang on to bikes for a long time. His specific concern is the availability of tires,tubes,wheels several years from now. I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks! -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
Good rubber tires kept in a cool dry place will remain good as new for decades. If he is real worried all the manufacturers making these tires will stop, I suggest buying 3 or 4 sets and storing them somewhere. A good set of tires well maintained should last you at least 3 or 4 years (my eldest sister, admittedly eccentric, used the same pair of tires that came new on her '79 Raleigh until just this Spring!). If he cannot get new 650Bs 15 years from now, perhaps the bike will be old enough he does not mind converting it to a 26 incher. On Oct 3, 12:35 pm, bradgantt bga...@dentsuamerica.com wrote: I have a friend who is seriously considering purchasing a Hillborne for his next bike. His only hesitation is committing to 650B given the fact that he tends to hang on to bikes for a long time. His specific concern is the availability of tires,tubes,wheels several years from now. I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
He could always get an extra set of rims to hold onto and an extra set of those Schwalbe tires like Rivendell sells, they'll last years. I ride bigger bikes so all mine are 700c but if I rode smaller bikes I wouldn't hesitate to go for 650b. On Oct 3, 10:35 am, bradgantt bga...@dentsuamerica.com wrote: I have a friend who is seriously considering purchasing a Hillborne for his next bike. His only hesitation is committing to 650B given the fact that he tends to hang on to bikes for a long time. His specific concern is the availability of tires,tubes,wheels several years from now. I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
I agree- at the very least, your friend will be able to mail order 650b rims/tires etc. when needed. The 650b wheel size has been around for the better part of a century, so I wouldn't worry too much about it vanishing. Right now especially, it is gaining popularity after a period of (relative) obscurity. On Oct 3, 4:13 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: He could always get an extra set of rims to hold onto and an extra set of those Schwalbe tires like Rivendell sells, they'll last years. I ride bigger bikes so all mine are 700c but if I rode smaller bikes I wouldn't hesitate to go for 650b. On Oct 3, 10:35 am, bradgantt bga...@dentsuamerica.com wrote: I have a friend who is seriously considering purchasing a Hillborne for his next bike. His only hesitation is committing to 650B given the fact that he tends to hang on to bikes for a long time. His specific concern is the availability of tires,tubes,wheels several years from now. I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
Considering that the 650B is not a new wheel or tire size and has been around much longer than the 26inch, I would say he has nothing to worry about. On Oct 3, 1:35 pm, bradgantt bga...@dentsuamerica.com wrote: I have a friend who is seriously considering purchasing a Hillborne for his next bike. His only hesitation is committing to 650B given the fact that he tends to hang on to bikes for a long time. His specific concern is the availability of tires,tubes,wheels several years from now. I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
Sign him on to the 650B list From: bradgantt bga...@dentsuamerica.com Subject: [RBW] 650B for the long haul? I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
On Oct 3, 2009, at 12:35 PM, bradgantt wrote: I have a friend who is seriously considering purchasing a Hillborne for his next bike. His only hesitation is committing to 650B given the fact that he tends to hang on to bikes for a long time. His specific concern is the availability of tires,tubes,wheels several years from now. I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks! That the future of 650B is brighter than the future of tubulars. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
Another one who feels that 650B will probably be around for a long time. My caveat - if he rides in winter and uses studded tires, there may be a problem. However, that is probably a discussion for a different list at a different time. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Oct 3, 12:35�pm, bradgantt bga...@dentsuamerica.com wrote: I have a friend who is seriously considering purchasing a Hillborne for his next bike. His only hesitation is committing to 650B given the fact that he tends to hang on to bikes for a long time. His specific concern is the availability of tires,tubes,wheels several years from now. I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
well, there is at least the 650b Nokian A10 around, perhaps more studded tires on the way. On Oct 3, 5:58 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Another one who feels that 650B will probably be around for a long time. My caveat - if he rides in winter and uses studded tires, there may be a problem. However, that is probably a discussion for a different list at a different time. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Oct 3, 12:35 pm, bradgantt bga...@dentsuamerica.com wrote: I have a friend who is seriously considering purchasing a Hillborne for his next bike. His only hesitation is committing to 650B given the fact that he tends to hang on to bikes for a long time. His specific concern is the availability of tires,tubes,wheels several years from now. I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
Or make your own! On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:44 PM, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote: well, there is at least the 650b Nokian A10 around, perhaps more studded tires on the way. On Oct 3, 5:58 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Another one who feels that 650B will probably be around for a long time. My caveat - if he rides in winter and uses studded tires, there may be a problem. However, that is probably a discussion for a different list at a different time. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Oct 3, 12:35 pm, bradgantt bga...@dentsuamerica.com wrote: I have a friend who is seriously considering purchasing a Hillborne for his next bike. His only hesitation is committing to 650B given the fact that he tends to hang on to bikes for a long time. His specific concern is the availability of tires,tubes,wheels several years from now. I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks! -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
