[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
@ Andrew: You have to bend the tang over the calipers of the R559 sidepull brake arms when you are using R559's and fenders on a Bleriot with 42mm tires - almost absolutely no clearance left between the fender and sidepull brakes arms to run the tang. And because you cannot get the fender close enough to the hole under the fork crown, you can't run a daruma to accept the tang and fenders anyway. That's why I am liking the idea of canti brakes, so that nothing is in the way between tire/fender/fork crown and you would not need to buy a rack with a flat tang anyway, but a rack with a regular tube rod that runs through the hole in fork crown, to then attach the fender to. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
trying to precisely bend a rack's rear strut tang over sidepull or centerpull caliper arms... OVER? I always put it UNDER. Wham, bam, it's done. On Friday, December 5, 2014 1:05:18 AM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: ...With a canti bike, it must be such a sweet feeling to just slide a front rack strut bolt into your fork crown and then tighten, ever so gently, along with the precisely fitting strut legs to your fork braze-ons, installing the rack in just 5 minutes instead of an hour or more trying to precisely bend a rack's rear strut tang over sidepull or centerpull caliper arms...what a rewarding sigh that must be, afterwards, as you take in the beauty of the newly installed front rack, with the smell of the fresh beeswax or Loctite in the air that was heated, ever so delicately, by the responsible torque-ing of the bolts...did I mention...done in just 5 minutes...the joyful anticipation of seeing how that front rack bag will look nestled onto that bike jewelry you just installed...ok, I'm being silly now... Really, I can't complain. I love and appreciate my bike and brakes so much, and it was a lot of fun to install the fenders and rack. I learned a lot and love the set up. And the challenges made it very rewarding when it was all done. But I remember thinking these type of things at the time I was wrestling with all the parts to get them installed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
I don't know that I have anything pertinent to add to this thread, but I will say, that after installing metal fenders on my sidepull brake road bikebrakes on them. I just don't want any calipers limiting the height I can raise the fender to the fork crown. Centerpull like the new Compass or Paul Racer give you more room than all but the real fat tire MTBs would ever need. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
I don't know that I have anything pertinent to add to this thread, but I will say, that after installing metal fenders on my sidepull brake road bike, I am of the mind now to purchase any future bikes I get with canti brakes on them. I just don't want any calipers limiting the height I can raise the fender to the fork crown. You can see how the calipers in the pic below limit that space: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
...With a canti bike, it must be such a sweet feeling to just slide a front rack strut bolt into your fork crown and then tighten, ever so gently, along with the precisely fitting strut legs to your fork braze-ons, installing the rack in just 5 minutes instead of an hour or more trying to precisely bend a rack's rear strut tang over sidepull or centerpull caliper arms...what a rewarding sigh that must be, afterwards, as you take in the beauty of the newly installed front rack, with the smell of the fresh beeswax or Loctite in the air that was heated, ever so delicately, by the responsible torque-ing of the bolts...did I mention...done in just 5 minutes...the joyful anticipation of seeing how that front rack bag will look nestled onto that bike jewelry you just installed...ok, I'm being silly now... Really, I can't complain. I love and appreciate my bike and brakes so much, and it was a lot of fun to install the fenders and rack. I learned a lot and love the set up. And the challenges made it very rewarding when it was all done. But I remember thinking these type of things at the time I was wrestling with all the parts to get them installed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
The updated brakes and rack looks good, and thank you for bringing up the brake debate As Brian eloquently pointed out - brakes are a system, and adjusting or changing components within a system will make it perform differently. I guess I am curious about what you're trying to achieve - is it maximum stopping force or most linear modulation for lever inches travelled, or something different altogether ? I heard an apocryphal story that Campy single-pivots were purposely designed with less than optimal stopping force, to allow for better scrubbing of speed without locking up - great in a peloton, but perhaps less so when needing to emergency stop. Also, Kool-stops are great, but I found a company claiming to have resurrected the original '80s Scott-Mathauser brake pad formula - here's the link for those that are interested. http://www.yokozunausa.com/brakepadsshoes.html Cheerio J. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
I switched from Tektro long reach dual pivots to Paul's bolt-on center pulls. The Tektro stock pads were replaced with Kool-Stop salmon pads. I think the center pulls were more powerful and modulated better. Maybe the wider 650b x 32 tires have something to do with the difference? https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_VLPdjewy14/UlWgn7eNviI/BcE/qhC1EaaqaHk/s1600/IMG_0520.JPG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
*blush* On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:11:40 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: I've said it before, but I'll say it again: complements from the Tinker carry weight. I fish for complements fairly often, but when I hook the Tinker, then I know I've got something. On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:32:45 AM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote: Wow. I liked the bike 'before,' but 'after' is visually a lot lighter. Prettier. Philip www.biketinker.com On Monday, October 21, 2013 6:47:56 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: Thanks for that. I finished up with the initial setup. Here's the before: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7452/10237186425_f38e3e5b1a_z.jpg And here's after: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7319/10383159085_5010e3d1ce_z.jpg Copious pictures on my flickr, as usual: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157636508980195/ Anyway the switch was from Tektro 559s mid-reach dual pivots to Gran Compe 610 centerpulls. Also we added the Gran Compe Ciclo ENE mini front rack. That enabled me to move over a Berthoud decaleur from another bike for a proper handlebar bag setup with my Loyal Designs front bag. Extra clearance earned provoked me to try out a pair of 700x35 Pasela tires that I had in the tire box. I of course still have the 700x30 Challenge Eroicas that came off the bike and will likely use them again soon. Finally, just for fun, I swapped Flite saddles between bikes to convert from Black to Blue, and I did a new Blue Newbaums wrap job to tie it together. I only rode up and down my 12% hill a few times, but first impression is the centerpulls are substantially more powerful, and the modulation seems excellent. The harder you grab the more they stop. So far, positive reviews. Time will tell. On Sunday, October 20, 2013 1:13:30 PM UTC-7, Johan Larsson wrote: On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 8:30:30 PM UTC+2, Bill Lindsay wrote: /.../ Anyway, can anyone share about changing straight from modern dual pivot caliper brakes to centerpulls and liking them better? I'm interested to hear about it. /.../ Well, I liked Weinmann 610's better than the original (single pivot) brakes on my XO-1 because they had much better clearance for fenders. 40 mm Berthoud fenders worked well with those centerpull brakes while the original brakes only could handle 30 mm fenders. The Weinmann/Dia Compe 610 brakes are as powerful as I could wish for, no problems at all. Johan, Sweden -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
Wow. I liked the bike 'before,' but 'after' is visually a lot lighter. Prettier. Philip www.biketinker.com On Monday, October 21, 2013 6:47:56 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: Thanks for that. I finished up with the initial setup. Here's the before: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7452/10237186425_f38e3e5b1a_z.jpg And here's after: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7319/10383159085_5010e3d1ce_z.jpg Copious pictures on my flickr, as usual: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157636508980195/ Anyway the switch was from Tektro 559s mid-reach dual pivots to Gran Compe 610 centerpulls. Also we added the Gran Compe Ciclo ENE mini front rack. That enabled me to move over a Berthoud decaleur from another bike for a proper handlebar bag setup with my Loyal Designs front bag. Extra clearance earned provoked me to try out a pair of 700x35 Pasela tires that I had in the tire box. I of course still have the 700x30 Challenge Eroicas that came off the bike and will likely use them again soon. Finally, just for fun, I swapped Flite saddles between bikes to convert from Black to Blue, and I did a new Blue Newbaums wrap job to tie it together. I only rode up and down my 12% hill a few times, but first impression is the centerpulls are substantially more powerful, and the modulation seems excellent. The harder you grab the more they stop. So far, positive reviews. Time will tell. On Sunday, October 20, 2013 1:13:30 PM UTC-7, Johan Larsson wrote: On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 8:30:30 PM UTC+2, Bill Lindsay wrote: /.../ Anyway, can anyone share about changing straight from modern dual pivot caliper brakes to centerpulls and liking them better? I'm interested to hear about it. /.../ Well, I liked Weinmann 610's better than the original (single pivot) brakes on my XO-1 because they had much better clearance for fenders. 40 mm Berthoud fenders worked well with those centerpull brakes while the original brakes only could handle 30 mm fenders. The Weinmann/Dia Compe 610 brakes are as powerful as I could wish for, no problems at all. Johan, Sweden -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
I've said it before, but I'll say it again: complements from the Tinker carry weight. I fish for complements fairly often, but when I hook the Tinker, then I know I've got something. On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:32:45 AM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote: Wow. I liked the bike 'before,' but 'after' is visually a lot lighter. Prettier. Philip www.biketinker.com On Monday, October 21, 2013 6:47:56 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: Thanks for that. I finished up with the initial setup. Here's the before: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7452/10237186425_f38e3e5b1a_z.jpg And here's after: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7319/10383159085_5010e3d1ce_z.jpg Copious pictures on my flickr, as usual: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157636508980195/ Anyway the switch was from Tektro 559s mid-reach dual pivots to Gran Compe 610 centerpulls. Also we added the Gran Compe Ciclo ENE mini front rack. That enabled me to move over a Berthoud decaleur from another bike for a proper handlebar bag setup with my Loyal Designs front bag. Extra clearance earned provoked me to try out a pair of 700x35 Pasela tires that I had in the tire box. I of course still have the 700x30 Challenge Eroicas that came off the bike and will likely use them again soon. Finally, just for fun, I swapped Flite saddles between bikes to convert from Black to Blue, and I did a new Blue Newbaums wrap job to tie it together. I only rode up and down my 12% hill a few times, but first impression is the centerpulls are substantially more powerful, and the modulation seems excellent. The harder you grab the more they stop. So far, positive reviews. Time will tell. On Sunday, October 20, 2013 1:13:30 PM UTC-7, Johan Larsson wrote: On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 8:30:30 PM UTC+2, Bill Lindsay wrote: /.../ Anyway, can anyone share about changing straight from modern dual pivot caliper brakes to centerpulls and liking them better? I'm interested to hear about it. /.../ Well, I liked Weinmann 610's better than the original (single pivot) brakes on my XO-1 because they had much better clearance for fenders. 40 mm Berthoud fenders worked well with those centerpull brakes while the original brakes only could handle 30 mm fenders. The Weinmann/Dia Compe 610 brakes are as powerful as I could wish for, no problems at all. Johan, Sweden -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
Thanks for that. I finished up with the initial setup. Here's the before: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7452/10237186425_f38e3e5b1a_z.jpg And here's after: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7319/10383159085_5010e3d1ce_z.jpg Copious pictures on my flickr, as usual: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157636508980195/ Anyway the switch was from Tektro 559s mid-reach dual pivots to Gran Compe 610 centerpulls. Also we added the Gran Compe Ciclo ENE mini front rack. That enabled me to move over a Berthoud decaleur from another bike for a proper handlebar bag setup with my Loyal Designs front bag. Extra clearance earned provoked me to try out a pair of 700x35 Pasela tires that I had in the tire box. I of course still have the 700x30 Challenge Eroicas that came off the bike and will likely use them again soon. Finally, just for fun, I swapped Flite saddles between bikes to convert from Black to Blue, and I did a new Blue Newbaums wrap job to tie it together. I only rode up and down my 12% hill a few times, but first impression is the centerpulls are substantially more powerful, and the modulation seems excellent. The harder you grab the more they stop. So far, positive reviews. Time will tell. On Sunday, October 20, 2013 1:13:30 PM UTC-7, Johan Larsson wrote: On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 8:30:30 PM UTC+2, Bill Lindsay wrote: /.../ Anyway, can anyone share about changing straight from modern dual pivot caliper brakes to centerpulls and liking them better? I'm interested to hear about it. /.../ Well, I liked Weinmann 610's better than the original (single pivot) brakes on my XO-1 because they had much better clearance for fenders. 40 mm Berthoud fenders worked well with those centerpull brakes while the original brakes only could handle 30 mm fenders. The Weinmann/Dia Compe 610 brakes are as powerful as I could wish for, no problems at all. Johan, Sweden -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
Thanks for the write up. I was wondering if you think the different brake pad compounds were a factor as well? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
Yes I think brake pad compound is a factor. On Monday, October 21, 2013 6:56:59 PM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote: Thanks for the write up. I was wondering if you think the different brake pad compounds were a factor as well? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 8:30:30 PM UTC+2, Bill Lindsay wrote: /.../ Anyway, can anyone share about changing straight from modern dual pivot caliper brakes to centerpulls and liking them better? I'm interested to hear about it. /.../ Well, I liked Weinmann 610's better than the original (single pivot) brakes on my XO-1 because they had much better clearance for fenders. 40 mm Berthoud fenders worked well with those centerpull brakes while the original brakes only could handle 30 mm fenders. The Weinmann/Dia Compe 610 brakes are as powerful as I could wish for, no problems at all. Johan, Sweden -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
FYI, Paul Centerpulls on sale at RBW, in the web special area. $295 for FR pair. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/prm.htm - Andrew, Berkeley -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
*Experimenting with Centerpulls, you say?*... Careful, some regard centerpulls as a gateway brake... leading to heavier stuff, like drum and eventually hydraulic brakes... Don't go there, friend... I'm living it, and have been trying to get clean for years... it's a dark place. Just say NO... (TGIF, I'm losing it..) On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 2:30:30 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: I'm going to start playing around a little bit with centerpull brakes on at least one of my caliper brake equipped bikes. I bought a pair of the snazzy Gran Compe 610s and the tiny optional front rack from Velo Orange. They will be replacing Tektro R539 on my budget Roadeo. Riv Content: I am no longer capable of taking a bike seriously if it doesn't have a front rack on it, thanks to Riv. I'm obsessed with getting more clearance for fenders and chubby tires for safety, thanks to Riv. Anyway, can anyone share about changing straight from modern dual pivot caliper brakes to centerpulls and liking them better? I'm interested to hear about it. FYI, that little rack is TINY. Check it out next to the Nitto Mini Front: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_VLPdjewy14/UlWgn7eNviI/BcE/qhC1EaaqaHk/s1600/IMG_0520.JPG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
Haha. In all seriousness though I always found centerpulls the most aesthetically pleasing, being a CV guy for a while but also found no real difference in stopping. They did give a bit more clearance to run Hetres on my AHH, however. On Oct 11, 2013 10:29 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: *Experimenting with Centerpulls, you say?*... Careful, some regard centerpulls as a gateway brake... leading to heavier stuff, like drum and eventually hydraulic brakes... Don't go there, friend... I'm living it, and have been trying to get clean for years... it's a dark place. Just say NO... (TGIF, I'm losing it..) On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 2:30:30 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: I'm going to start playing around a little bit with centerpull brakes on at least one of my caliper brake equipped bikes. I bought a pair of the snazzy Gran Compe 610s and the tiny optional front rack from Velo Orange. They will be replacing Tektro R539 on my budget Roadeo. Riv Content: I am no longer capable of taking a bike seriously if it doesn't have a front rack on it, thanks to Riv. I'm obsessed with getting more clearance for fenders and chubby tires for safety, thanks to Riv. Anyway, can anyone share about changing straight from modern dual pivot caliper brakes to centerpulls and liking them better? I'm interested to hear about it. FYI, that little rack is TINY. Check it out next to the Nitto Mini Front: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_VLPdjewy14/UlWgn7eNviI/BcE/qhC1EaaqaHk/s1600/IMG_0520.JPG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
Howdy folks. Speaking as a Rivendell Bicycle Works mechanic, I can offer a couple of tidbits about brake stuff that may help out here: It's one thing to compare brakes to brakes -- Silver sidepulls to Paul Racers, for an easy example -- but it's another thing to compare brake *set-ups* from bike to bike. There are variables! The brake itself is part of a *system* that consists of cables, housing, ferrules, possibly straddle cable and yoke position, brake pads and their toe-in or lack thereof, brake levers, hangers, frame braze-ons, and, finally, brakes. I could mention tires, too, since these are essentially huge brake pads that provide friction against the ground. Too easy, then, to look at the brake as the only component of note in stopping a bike. So, it's worth it to look at housing quality, length, and curvature, and to look at the finishing on the ends of the housing -- is it flat? Flattened on a grinder or file, or is it all sharp and burr-covered? It matters! Is the housing the jet-lubed variety? Is it dry as a desert gulch in there? Is there a funny kink in the housing, or is it too short or too long? These things will directly effect braking feel. Maybe way more than the brakes themselves. It's worth noting that if a brake didn't work at all, we would all know it, it would probably no longer be sold, or at least the maker would be a disgrace. I have encountered bikes with Paul Racers that frankly frightened me in their reluctance to slow down my forward momentum. Same with cantilevers, which can be tricky to set up right even for mechanics. I also have experienced, on my own bike, humble sidepulls that will safely and reliably slow/stop on trails that I have no business riding on. If something is *the best*, then all the other things are some degree of *worst*. What if, however, there is merely a range of acceptable/workable, and it's our responsibility to make the most of the setup? Sometimes I think disc brakes are taking off merely because the successful setup element is more or less simplified to the point of disappearing. Set up any brake just right, and the bike *will* stop. Then, it's up to us to learn how best to use the brakes. Anyway, just my two or three cents. Give a call in to RBW if you want to discuss this some more. Best, Brian On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 11:30:30 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: I'm going to start playing around a little bit with centerpull brakes on at least one of my caliper brake equipped bikes. I bought a pair of the snazzy Gran Compe 610s and the tiny optional front rack from Velo Orange. They will be replacing Tektro R539 on my budget Roadeo. Riv Content: I am no longer capable of taking a bike seriously if it doesn't have a front rack on it, thanks to Riv. I'm obsessed with getting more clearance for fenders and chubby tires for safety, thanks to Riv. Anyway, can anyone share about changing straight from modern dual pivot caliper brakes to centerpulls and liking them better? I'm interested to hear about it. FYI, that little rack is TINY. Check it out next to the Nitto Mini Front: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_VLPdjewy14/UlWgn7eNviI/BcE/qhC1EaaqaHk/s1600/IMG_0520.JPG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
Brian nailed it. On Friday, October 11, 2013 10:43:28 AM UTC-7, brian tester wrote: Howdy folks. Speaking as a Rivendell Bicycle Works mechanic, I can offer a couple of tidbits about brake stuff that may help out here: It's one thing to compare brakes to brakes -- Silver sidepulls to Paul Racers, for an easy example -- but it's another thing to compare brake *set-ups* from bike to bike. There are variables! The brake itself is part of a *system* that consists of cables, housing, ferrules, possibly straddle cable and yoke position, brake pads and their toe-in or lack thereof, brake levers, hangers, frame braze-ons, and, finally, brakes. I could mention tires, too, since these are essentially huge brake pads that provide friction against the ground. Too easy, then, to look at the brake as the only component of note in stopping a bike. So, it's worth it to look at housing quality, length, and curvature, and to look at the finishing on the ends of the housing -- is it flat? Flattened on a grinder or file, or is it all sharp and burr-covered? It matters! Is the housing the jet-lubed variety? Is it dry as a desert gulch in there? Is there a funny kink in the housing, or is it too short or too long? These things will directly effect braking feel. Maybe way more than the brakes themselves. It's worth noting that if a brake didn't work at all, we would all know it, it would probably no longer be sold, or at least the maker would be a disgrace. I have encountered bikes with Paul Racers that frankly frightened me in their reluctance to slow down my forward momentum. Same with cantilevers, which can be tricky to set up right even for mechanics. I also have experienced, on my own bike, humble sidepulls that will safely and reliably slow/stop on trails that I have no business riding on. If something is *the best*, then all the other things are some degree of *worst*. What if, however, there is merely a range of acceptable/workable, and it's our responsibility to make the most of the setup? Sometimes I think disc brakes are taking off merely because the successful setup element is more or less simplified to the point of disappearing. Set up any brake just right, and the bike *will* stop. Then, it's up to us to learn how best to use the brakes. Anyway, just my two or three cents. Give a call in to RBW if you want to discuss this some more. Best, Brian On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 11:30:30 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: I'm going to start playing around a little bit with centerpull brakes on at least one of my caliper brake equipped bikes. I bought a pair of the snazzy Gran Compe 610s and the tiny optional front rack from Velo Orange. They will be replacing Tektro R539 on my budget Roadeo. Riv Content: I am no longer capable of taking a bike seriously if it doesn't have a front rack on it, thanks to Riv. I'm obsessed with getting more clearance for fenders and chubby tires for safety, thanks to Riv. Anyway, can anyone share about changing straight from modern dual pivot caliper brakes to centerpulls and liking them better? I'm interested to hear about it. FYI, that little rack is TINY. Check it out next to the Nitto Mini Front: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_VLPdjewy14/UlWgn7eNviI/BcE/qhC1EaaqaHk/s1600/IMG_0520.JPG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
Spoken like a true professional. Someone should write up a Rivendell's Way To Canti/V/Centerpull/Single Pivot/Dual Pivot Happiness. The IRDs on the Sam that Riv set up were the best brakes I've used, bar none, and I've used most of them. Speak more to us about housing: quality, lubrication (what about the plastic lined stuff?), even ends, ferrules, lengths, bends, and of cables themselves -- gauge, what have you. I will sit quietly and listen. I've never had much luck setting up cantis for drop bar levers, so I can stand to learn much there, having tried with a vast variety of makes and models -- so much so that I've avoided cantis on my bikes. Patrick Moore, who has been procrastinating in replacing the disk pads on his Fargo, which he means nonetheless to ride this afternoon in ABQ, NM. On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:43 AM, brian tester brian.tes...@gmail.comwrote: Howdy folks. Speaking as a Rivendell Bicycle Works mechanic, I can offer a couple of tidbits about brake stuff that may help out here: It's one thing to compare brakes to brakes -- Silver sidepulls to Paul Racers, for an easy example -- but it's another thing to compare brake *set-ups* from bike to bike. There are variables! The brake itself is part of a *system* that consists of cables, housing, ferrules, possibly straddle cable and yoke position, brake pads and their toe-in or lack thereof, brake levers, hangers, frame braze-ons, and, finally, brakes. I could mention tires, too, since these are essentially huge brake pads that provide friction against the ground. Too easy, then, to look at the brake as the only component of note in stopping a bike. So, it's worth it to look at housing quality, length, and curvature, and to look at the finishing on the ends of the housing -- is it flat? Flattened on a grinder or file, or is it all sharp and burr-covered? It matters! Is the housing the jet-lubed variety? Is it dry as a desert gulch in there? Is there a funny kink in the housing, or is it too short or too long? These things will directly effect braking feel. Maybe way more than the brakes themselves. It's worth noting that if a brake didn't work at all, we would all know it, it would probably no longer be sold, or at least the maker would be a disgrace. I have encountered bikes with Paul Racers that frankly frightened me in their reluctance to slow down my forward momentum. Same with cantilevers, which can be tricky to set up right even for mechanics. I also have experienced, on my own bike, humble sidepulls that will safely and reliably slow/stop on trails that I have no business riding on. If something is *the best*, then all the other things are some degree of *worst*. What if, however, there is merely a range of acceptable/workable, and it's our responsibility to make the most of the setup? Sometimes I think disc brakes are taking off merely because the successful setup element is more or less simplified to the point of disappearing. Set up any brake just right, and the bike *will* stop. Then, it's up to us to learn how best to use the brakes. Anyway, just my two or three cents. Give a call in to RBW if you want to discuss this some more. Best, Brian On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 11:30:30 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: I'm going to start playing around a little bit with centerpull brakes on at least one of my caliper brake equipped bikes. I bought a pair of the snazzy Gran Compe 610s and the tiny optional front rack from Velo Orange. They will be replacing Tektro R539 on my budget Roadeo. Riv Content: I am no longer capable of taking a bike seriously if it doesn't have a front rack on it, thanks to Riv. I'm obsessed with getting more clearance for fenders and chubby tires for safety, thanks to Riv. Anyway, can anyone share about changing straight from modern dual pivot caliper brakes to centerpulls and liking them better? I'm interested to hear about it. FYI, that little rack is TINY. Check it out next to the Nitto Mini Front: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_VLPdjewy14/UlWgn7eNviI/BcE/qhC1EaaqaHk/s1600/IMG_0520.JPG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
Have used both Racers and Tektro R559 brakes. Paul's: were hard to get centered for me. So many points of adjustment possible on them. Hard to get cables attached. I was new to center pulls though. Got easier each time I messed with them. They were great with salmon pads. R559's: install and set up wy easier for me. I like them much better. More user friendly for an un-mechanic like me. Both stop and feel just as good to my unrefined hands. I am not a brake connoisseur. Both my Pauls and Tektros were/are allen bolt ons. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
