Seems a great and worthwhile experiment, I look forward to your follow up. 
-Kai

On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 2:14:47 PM UTC-4 Jay P wrote:

> I do a lot of trail riding + loaded bike picnicking with a 58cm Toyo 
> Atlantis (72.0 degree head tube and seat tube).  
>
>  
>
> And I have noticed those angles slacken a bit on Rivendell production 
> frames over the last 10-15 years
>
>  
>
> I also saw that in addition to the regular 1mm baseplate for the fork 
> crown the Chris King website also lists a thicker 5mm baseplate that they 
> no longer produce, sell, or are willing to manufacture. 
>
>  
>
> At some point I realized a thicker baseplate would slacken the Atlantis 
> head and seat tubes and started to wonder how that would change the nature 
> of the bike.  
>
>
> And figured a thicker baseplate would be fine on my Atlantis as it has 
> ~15mm of extra steerer tube, a very low bottom bracket, and is a little 
> undersized for my 91cm pbh. And as Chris King uses base plates rather than 
> crown races (ie, it does not serve as a bearing race), I figured a custom 
> fabricated piece would likely work fine.    
>
>  
>
> So eventually I asked Jim Merz (via the Classic Rendezvous list) to 
> fabricate an 8mm thick baseplate – that is pictured next to the original 
> baseplate (he made it out of 10-2-3 Ti alloy) -- which I believe will 
> slacken the Atlantis angles by ~0.43 degrees. I was aiming for somewhere 
> between too much change and too subtle to notice.  
>
>  
>
> I’ll try the thicker baseplate with no other changes to the bike, and then 
> will swap the current 46cm noodle bars + 10cm dirt drop stem with a 135mm 
> face plate stem + wavie bars + lugged seat post (to experiment with further 
> slackening the effective seat tube angle) to get a still relaxed and 
> upright but more assertive and stretched riding position for trails (and 
> maybe a little better for a wider range of handlebars). 
>
>  
>
> I won’t be able to install until the end of March but thought to share the 
> idea with the group in case this is novel or interesting –  it’s been fun 
> to think through and will be an easy experiment to undo.
>
>
> Jay P.
>
> Marin, CA 
>
>
> [image: IMG_8033.jpg]
>

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