Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on a bike trade

[Brandon Souba]

Frankie - what size is your Atlantis?

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 5:32 PM Nikko in Oakland 
wrote:

> I’d keep the Atlantis.
>
> Mounts on the fork, better paint, and it’s Grant’s take on a better
> version of the XO-1.
>
> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 3:03:27 PM UTC-7 frankie garcia wrote:
>
>> Would you trade your mint 2000 Toyota Atlantis 26” for a Bridgestone Xo-1
>> in the same condition?
>> Please elaborate.
>>
>> -Frankie
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on a bike trade

[Ryan]

So what did you decide, I wonder.

On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 7:44:06 AM UTC-5 frankie garcia wrote:

> All this very helpful advice. 
> Much thanks
> I’ve made my decision. 
> -Frankie
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 22, 2022, at 6:23 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> If I had the extra cash to get an XO-1 in fantastic shape that I could 
> use as a display piece in the house only I would do so. Getting one for 
> riding in comparison to a Riv? I would take the Riv every single time.
>
>
>
> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 5:33:21 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Nope.
>>
>> The slope of resistance to to really letting yourself ride and enjoy an 
>> XO-1 as Grant designed and intended is steep. Considering this trade 
>> communicates that you objectify the XO-1, as many do. I had a '93 XO-2 (the 
>> purple Dirt Drop bar one) and found it a pioneering design idea but easily 
>> outdone by my 2002 Rambouillet, also by Toyo. The focus Rivendell allowed 
>> Grant to give the Atlantis and Rambouillet exceeded what could be done in 
>> the Bridgestone business model considering the production nature of those 
>> bikes, even the rare halo models (had a '91 MB-0 too). 
>>
>> Good conversation a while back either here or on iBOB about production 
>> lugged construction (realtive to the MB-series) with input from Mark B. 
>> about the copper brazing head tube and lugs made as a component for the 
>> main triangle build was a good example how the finished frame looks like a 
>> hand built item but incorporates definitely mass production process.
>>
>> I prefer my bikes dusty from miles on unpaved roads, not storing them. 
>> Keep and ride the Atlantis.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 6:03:27 PM UTC-4 frankie garcia wrote:
>>
>>> Would you trade your mint 2000 Toyota Atlantis 26” for a Bridgestone 
>>> Xo-1 in the same condition? 
>>> Please elaborate. 
>>>
>>> -Frankie 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on a bike trade

[frankie garcia]

All this very helpful advice. 
Much thanks
I’ve made my decision. 
-Frankie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 22, 2022, at 6:23 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
> 
> If I had the extra cash to get an XO-1 in fantastic shape that I could use 
> as a display piece in the house only I would do so. Getting one for riding in 
> comparison to a Riv? I would take the Riv every single time.
> 
>> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 5:33:21 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>> Nope.
>> 
>> The slope of resistance to to really letting yourself ride and enjoy an XO-1 
>> as Grant designed and intended is steep. Considering this trade communicates 
>> that you objectify the XO-1, as many do. I had a '93 XO-2 (the purple Dirt 
>> Drop bar one) and found it a pioneering design idea but easily outdone by my 
>> 2002 Rambouillet, also by Toyo. The focus Rivendell allowed Grant to give 
>> the Atlantis and Rambouillet exceeded what could be done in the Bridgestone 
>> business model considering the production nature of those bikes, even the 
>> rare halo models (had a '91 MB-0 too). 
>> 
>> Good conversation a while back either here or on iBOB about production 
>> lugged construction (realtive to the MB-series) with input from Mark B. 
>> about the copper brazing head tube and lugs made as a component for the main 
>> triangle build was a good example how the finished frame looks like a hand 
>> built item but incorporates definitely mass production process.
>> 
>> I prefer my bikes dusty from miles on unpaved roads, not storing them. Keep 
>> and ride the Atlantis.
>> 
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>> 
>>> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 6:03:27 PM UTC-4 frankie garcia wrote:
>>> Would you trade your mint 2000 Toyota Atlantis 26” for a Bridgestone Xo-1 
>>> in the same condition? 
>>> Please elaborate. 
>>> 
>>> -Frankie 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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[RBW] Re: Advice on a bike trade

[Johnny Alien]

If I had the extra cash to get an XO-1 in fantastic shape that I could use 
as a display piece in the house only I would do so. Getting one for riding 
in comparison to a Riv? I would take the Riv every single time.

On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 5:33:21 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> Nope.
>
> The slope of resistance to to really letting yourself ride and enjoy an 
> XO-1 as Grant designed and intended is steep. Considering this trade 
> communicates that you objectify the XO-1, as many do. I had a '93 XO-2 (the 
> purple Dirt Drop bar one) and found it a pioneering design idea but easily 
> outdone by my 2002 Rambouillet, also by Toyo. The focus Rivendell allowed 
> Grant to give the Atlantis and Rambouillet exceeded what could be done in 
> the Bridgestone business model considering the production nature of those 
> bikes, even the rare halo models (had a '91 MB-0 too). 
>
> Good conversation a while back either here or on iBOB about production 
> lugged construction (realtive to the MB-series) with input from Mark B. 
> about the copper brazing head tube and lugs made as a component for the 
> main triangle build was a good example how the finished frame looks like a 
> hand built item but incorporates definitely mass production process.
>
> I prefer my bikes dusty from miles on unpaved roads, not storing them. 
> Keep and ride the Atlantis.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 6:03:27 PM UTC-4 frankie garcia wrote:
>
>> Would you trade your mint 2000 Toyota Atlantis 26” for a Bridgestone Xo-1 
>> in the same condition? 
>> Please elaborate. 
>>
>> -Frankie 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
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[RBW] Re: Advice on a bike trade

[ascpgh]

Nope.

The slope of resistance to to really letting yourself ride and enjoy an 
XO-1 as Grant designed and intended is steep. Considering this trade 
communicates that you objectify the XO-1, as many do. I had a '93 XO-2 (the 
purple Dirt Drop bar one) and found it a pioneering design idea but easily 
outdone by my 2002 Rambouillet, also by Toyo. The focus Rivendell allowed 
Grant to give the Atlantis and Rambouillet exceeded what could be done in 
the Bridgestone business model considering the production nature of those 
bikes, even the rare halo models (had a '91 MB-0 too). 

Good conversation a while back either here or on iBOB about production 
lugged construction (realtive to the MB-series) with input from Mark B. 
about the copper brazing head tube and lugs made as a component for the 
main triangle build was a good example how the finished frame looks like a 
hand built item but incorporates definitely mass production process.

I prefer my bikes dusty from miles on unpaved roads, not storing them. Keep 
and ride the Atlantis.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 6:03:27 PM UTC-4 frankie garcia wrote:

> Would you trade your mint 2000 Toyota Atlantis 26” for a Bridgestone Xo-1 
> in the same condition?
> Please elaborate. 
>
> -Frankie 
>
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on a bike trade

[Brian Turner]

I’d keep the Toyo.

> On Jul 21, 2022, at 7:42 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Value is another story. I'd be looking for some cash in the trade if I had a 
> Toyo Atlantis, that's a handbuilt Japanese frame 🙌
> 
>> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 4:35:43 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> You are correct, if you really want a perfect XO-1 that's not going to 
>> happen too many more times, we're 29-30 years out from them now. You can 
>> always find another Riv if you want one later, grab that XO.  
>> 
>>> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 4:02:16 PM UTC-7 frankie garcia wrote:
>>> Does the rarity effect your choice though? I feel like mint Xo-1 is 
>>> impossible to get now. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jul 21, 2022, at 5:40 PM, Ryan  wrote:
> 
 I'll be interested to see what others say. 
>>> 
 
 I still have a 93 X0-1 but I have other bikes too. I do love the 93 X0-1; 
 it's an iconic bike. But honestly, I think the 2000 Toyo Atlantis is a 
 better-made , more versatile bike as Nikko points out. They're not 
 interchangeable and if you're doing any touring , the Atlantis is a 
 hands-down winner
 
>> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 5:32:07 PM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>> I’d keep the Atlantis. 
>> 
>> Mounts on the fork, better paint, and it’s Grant’s take on a better 
>> version of the XO-1. 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 3:03:27 PM UTC-7 frankie garcia wrote:
>>> Would you trade your mint 2000 Toyota Atlantis 26” for a Bridgestone 
>>> Xo-1 in the same condition? 
>>> Please elaborate. 
>>> 
>>> -Frankie 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on a bike trade

[Joe Bernard]

Value is another story. I'd be looking for some cash in the trade if I had 
a Toyo Atlantis, that's a handbuilt Japanese frame 🙌

On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 4:35:43 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> You are correct, if you really want a perfect XO-1 that's not going to 
> happen too many more times, we're 29-30 years out from them now. You can 
> always find another Riv if you want one later, grab that XO.  
>
> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 4:02:16 PM UTC-7 frankie garcia wrote:
>
>> Does the rarity effect your choice though? I feel like mint Xo-1 is 
>> impossible to get now. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2022, at 5:40 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>
>> I'll be interested to see what others say. 
>>
>>
>> I still have a 93 X0-1 but I have other bikes too. I do love the 93 X0-1; 
>> it's an iconic bike. But honestly, I think the 2000 Toyo Atlantis is a 
>> better-made , more versatile bike as Nikko points out. They're not 
>> interchangeable and if you're doing any touring , the Atlantis is a 
>> hands-down winner
>>
>> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 5:32:07 PM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>>
>>> I’d keep the Atlantis. 
>>>
>>> Mounts on the fork, better paint, and it’s Grant’s take on a better 
>>> version of the XO-1. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 3:03:27 PM UTC-7 frankie garcia wrote:
>>>
 Would you trade your mint 2000 Toyota Atlantis 26” for a Bridgestone 
 Xo-1 in the same condition? 
 Please elaborate. 

 -Frankie 

 Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on a bike trade

[Joe Bernard]

You are correct, if you really want a perfect XO-1 that's not going to 
happen too many more times, we're 29-30 years out from them now. You can 
always find another Riv if you want one later, grab that XO.  

On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 4:02:16 PM UTC-7 frankie garcia wrote:

> Does the rarity effect your choice though? I feel like mint Xo-1 is 
> impossible to get now. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 21, 2022, at 5:40 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>
> I'll be interested to see what others say. 
>
>
> I still have a 93 X0-1 but I have other bikes too. I do love the 93 X0-1; 
> it's an iconic bike. But honestly, I think the 2000 Toyo Atlantis is a 
> better-made , more versatile bike as Nikko points out. They're not 
> interchangeable and if you're doing any touring , the Atlantis is a 
> hands-down winner
>
> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 5:32:07 PM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>
>> I’d keep the Atlantis. 
>>
>> Mounts on the fork, better paint, and it’s Grant’s take on a better 
>> version of the XO-1. 
>>
>> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 3:03:27 PM UTC-7 frankie garcia wrote:
>>
>>> Would you trade your mint 2000 Toyota Atlantis 26” for a Bridgestone 
>>> Xo-1 in the same condition? 
>>> Please elaborate. 
>>>
>>> -Frankie 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on a bike trade

[amillhench]

Do you want an iconic bike? A touring bike? A Rivendell? An all rounder?

I’d pick the Atlantis. XO-1s are cool for what they were, but the idea has 
evolved into something better, IMO.

Best,

Aaron in El Paso 

On Jul 21, 2022, at 17:02, frankie garcia  wrote:

Does the rarity effect your choice though? I feel like mint Xo-1 is impossible 
to get now. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 21, 2022, at 5:40 PM, Ryan  wrote:
> 
> I'll be interested to see what others say. 
> 
> I still have a 93 X0-1 but I have other bikes too. I do love the 93 X0-1; 
> it's an iconic bike. But honestly, I think the 2000 Toyo Atlantis is a 
> better-made , more versatile bike as Nikko points out. They're not 
> interchangeable and if you're doing any touring , the Atlantis is a 
> hands-down winner
> 
> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 5:32:07 PM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>> I’d keep the Atlantis. 
>> 
>> Mounts on the fork, better paint, and it’s Grant’s take on a better version 
>> of the XO-1. 
>> 
>> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 3:03:27 PM UTC-7 frankie garcia wrote:
>>> Would you trade your mint 2000 Toyota Atlantis 26” for a Bridgestone Xo-1 
>>> in the same condition? 
>>> Please elaborate. 
>>> 
>>> -Frankie 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on a bike trade

[frankie garcia]

Does the rarity effect your choice though? I feel like mint Xo-1 is impossible 
to get now. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 21, 2022, at 5:40 PM, Ryan  wrote:
> 
> I'll be interested to see what others say. 
> 
> I still have a 93 X0-1 but I have other bikes too. I do love the 93 X0-1; 
> it's an iconic bike. But honestly, I think the 2000 Toyo Atlantis is a 
> better-made , more versatile bike as Nikko points out. They're not 
> interchangeable and if you're doing any touring , the Atlantis is a 
> hands-down winner
> 
>> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 5:32:07 PM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>> I’d keep the Atlantis. 
>> 
>> Mounts on the fork, better paint, and it’s Grant’s take on a better version 
>> of the XO-1. 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 3:03:27 PM UTC-7 frankie garcia wrote:
>>> Would you trade your mint 2000 Toyota Atlantis 26” for a Bridgestone Xo-1 
>>> in the same condition? 
>>> Please elaborate. 
>>> 
>>> -Frankie 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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[RBW] Re: Advice on a bike trade

[Ryan]

I'll be interested to see what others say. 

I still have a 93 X0-1 but I have other bikes too. I do love the 93 X0-1; 
it's an iconic bike. But honestly, I think the 2000 Toyo Atlantis is a 
better-made , more versatile bike as Nikko points out. They're not 
interchangeable and if you're doing any touring , the Atlantis is a 
hands-down winner

On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 5:32:07 PM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland wrote:

> I’d keep the Atlantis. 
>
> Mounts on the fork, better paint, and it’s Grant’s take on a better 
> version of the XO-1. 
>
> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 3:03:27 PM UTC-7 frankie garcia wrote:
>
>> Would you trade your mint 2000 Toyota Atlantis 26” for a Bridgestone Xo-1 
>> in the same condition? 
>> Please elaborate. 
>>
>> -Frankie 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on a bike trade

[Nikko in Oakland]

I’d keep the Atlantis. 

Mounts on the fork, better paint, and it’s Grant’s take on a better version 
of the XO-1. 

On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 3:03:27 PM UTC-7 frankie garcia wrote:

> Would you trade your mint 2000 Toyota Atlantis 26” for a Bridgestone Xo-1 
> in the same condition?
> Please elaborate. 
>
> -Frankie 
>
> Sent from my iPhone

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