[RBW] Re: All Rounder with Midge bar UPDATE
hi Jinxed - beautiful set up. I have an old road bike frame project in the mill. Can you measure drop on your bars for me? The 345mm overall drop listed by on-one for these bars makes no sense. Thanks On Friday, March 15, 2013 7:15:01 PM UTC-5, jinxed wrote: OK. So after some excellent and insightful RBW list input I went ahead and ordered the OnOne Midge bars some Cane Creek levers, and some Kenda MTB tires. My immediate goal was to alter the hand positions. I've been pretty content with the mustache bar set up, but have come to really enjoy the flats and wide sram hoods of my cross bike. My default position on the m-bars was basically on the very ends with my palms hanging over the bar end shifters. I thought adding the closer brake position and the flats of a more traditional drop bar would be a welcome change. As soon as the bars came in, I was happy I made the purchase, even if they dont remain on the Rivendell. Right out of the box they looked interestingly comfortable. NICE wide top flat section, short reach, tight and short drop. They flair but not out of control. I had heard the drop section was short, and it is, but to me seemed perfect. I got them installed with a vacant stem so I wouldnt have to completely disassemble my M-bar set up. The stem is a little too long, but the short reach on the bar still pulled the levers back vs the m-bar. I set up the Midge essentially parallel with the ground with the drops pointing down. The levers then become a nice flat extension of the bar and make for some good hand placement real estate! The flair on the midge is restrained enough to still use the tops of the lever hoods. This is what I was looking for. I also wanted to add some knobbage to the marathonesque bonty tires I was using without going full on 2.1 mtb. I am VERY happy I ran across the Kenda Klimax 1.9 tires. They were exactly what I wanted. Good enough knobs to hit some aggressive singletrack, but civilized on the pavement. So now in V.3.0 I took to the road so to speak. I did a nice meandering 30+ mile ride in mixed terrain to get some initial impressions. The extra width and positions of the bars were very welcome in varying conditions. Having the flats gave a nice upright comfortable cruising placement and then the wide hoods were awesome in the dirt. I was so impressed with the feel off road, I would consider these on my dedicated mtb. The drops worked surprisingly well on the couple steep dirt climbs I encountered too. I had quick access to the shifters without having to move away from reaching the brakes. So overall I think this is a positive change. I will say this however...when you ride a 700c CX bike and a 29er MTB...jumping on a 26 feels SO SLUGGISH. I kept checking to see if my brakes were dragging! I kept wondering if I could shoehorn a 650b in there and get some brakes to work! The AR is an awesome bike, but I will say that my old too small Bleriot felt loads more efficient. Here is a beautiful shot of the garage door with the newly altered bike obscuring the view. http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8531/8561112128_8bc9a3e879_b.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: All Rounder with Midge bar UPDATE
also, is anyone using a Soma Road 1 bar? tried a search with no luck On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:20:11 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: hi Jinxed - beautiful set up. I have an old road bike frame project in the mill. Can you measure drop on your bars for me? The 345mm overall drop listed by on-one for these bars makes no sense. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: All Rounder with Midge bar UPDATE
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.comwrote: and I certainly agree with you on hardtail 29ers... after going through a few full suspension bikes, a well designed 29er is the best MTB no question! Eh, I don't find them to be all that, personally. They do seem to work well for the people they work well for tho... Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: All Rounder with Midge bar UPDATE
Man,that's a nice bike. I really like that yellow and I think the black tape looks fine. That's an early Waterford AR,correct? On Friday, March 15, 2013 7:15:01 PM UTC-5, jinxed wrote: OK. So after some excellent and insightful RBW list input I went ahead and ordered the OnOne Midge bars some Cane Creek levers, and some Kenda MTB tires. My immediate goal was to alter the hand positions. I've been pretty content with the mustache bar set up, but have come to really enjoy the flats and wide sram hoods of my cross bike. My default position on the m-bars was basically on the very ends with my palms hanging over the bar end shifters. I thought adding the closer brake position and the flats of a more traditional drop bar would be a welcome change. As soon as the bars came in, I was happy I made the purchase, even if they dont remain on the Rivendell. Right out of the box they looked interestingly comfortable. NICE wide top flat section, short reach, tight and short drop. They flair but not out of control. I had heard the drop section was short, and it is, but to me seemed perfect. I got them installed with a vacant stem so I wouldnt have to completely disassemble my M-bar set up. The stem is a little too long, but the short reach on the bar still pulled the levers back vs the m-bar. I set up the Midge essentially parallel with the ground with the drops pointing down. The levers then become a nice flat extension of the bar and make for some good hand placement real estate! The flair on the midge is restrained enough to still use the tops of the lever hoods. This is what I was looking for. I also wanted to add some knobbage to the marathonesque bonty tires I was using without going full on 2.1 mtb. I am VERY happy I ran across the Kenda Klimax 1.9 tires. They were exactly what I wanted. Good enough knobs to hit some aggressive singletrack, but civilized on the pavement. So now in V.3.0 I took to the road so to speak. I did a nice meandering 30+ mile ride in mixed terrain to get some initial impressions. The extra width and positions of the bars were very welcome in varying conditions. Having the flats gave a nice upright comfortable cruising placement and then the wide hoods were awesome in the dirt. I was so impressed with the feel off road, I would consider these on my dedicated mtb. The drops worked surprisingly well on the couple steep dirt climbs I encountered too. I had quick access to the shifters without having to move away from reaching the brakes. So overall I think this is a positive change. I will say this however...when you ride a 700c CX bike and a 29er MTB...jumping on a 26 feels SO SLUGGISH. I kept checking to see if my brakes were dragging! I kept wondering if I could shoehorn a 650b in there and get some brakes to work! The AR is an awesome bike, but I will say that my old too small Bleriot felt loads more efficient. Here is a beautiful shot of the garage door with the newly altered bike obscuring the view. http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8531/8561112128_8bc9a3e879_b.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: All Rounder with Midge bar UPDATE
Thanks! I have not yet made peace with the yellow, but that's the fickle artist in me that I generally try to ignore. I have not contacted Rivendell to check the date, but AFAIK yes it's an early Waterford model. I have my suspicions it was built for/by Richard Schwinn. It has a hand done under the clear coat Richard S. on the top tube. As much as I dislike the color, I would feel guilty having it repainted from a provenance standpointunless it's Richard Smith. On Sunday, March 17, 2013 8:10:33 AM UTC-6, Ryan wrote: Man,that's a nice bike. I really like that yellow and I think the black tape looks fine. That's an early Waterford AR,correct? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: All Rounder with Midge bar UPDATE
Richard Schwinn or Richard Sachs. He build a few Rivendells. Here's my friend's: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3386542024/ So check the BB. Richard Schwinn custom is pretty cool as well! On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:36 AM, jinxed hbcl...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks! I have not yet made peace with the yellow, but that's the fickle artist in me that I generally try to ignore. I have not contacted Rivendell to check the date, but AFAIK yes it's an early Waterford model. I have my suspicions it was built for/by Richard Schwinn. It has a hand done under the clear coat Richard S. on the top tube. As much as I dislike the color, I would feel guilty having it repainted from a provenance standpointunless it's Richard Smith. On Sunday, March 17, 2013 8:10:33 AM UTC-6, Ryan wrote: Man,that's a nice bike. I really like that yellow and I think the black tape looks fine. That's an early Waterford AR,correct? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: All Rounder with Midge bar UPDATE
Or another Richard. But I like the idea of it being Richard Schwinn's bike. When I ordered my AR in Aug 1997, one of the options was to have your name painted on it, so I ordered mine with my name painted on the top tube. Probably kills the resale value but I have no plans to sell it anyway. On Friday, March 15, 2013 7:15:01 PM UTC-5, jinxed wrote: OK. So after some excellent and insightful RBW list input I went ahead and ordered the OnOne Midge bars some Cane Creek levers, and some Kenda MTB tires. My immediate goal was to alter the hand positions. I've been pretty content with the mustache bar set up, but have come to really enjoy the flats and wide sram hoods of my cross bike. My default position on the m-bars was basically on the very ends with my palms hanging over the bar end shifters. I thought adding the closer brake position and the flats of a more traditional drop bar would be a welcome change. As soon as the bars came in, I was happy I made the purchase, even if they dont remain on the Rivendell. Right out of the box they looked interestingly comfortable. NICE wide top flat section, short reach, tight and short drop. They flair but not out of control. I had heard the drop section was short, and it is, but to me seemed perfect. I got them installed with a vacant stem so I wouldnt have to completely disassemble my M-bar set up. The stem is a little too long, but the short reach on the bar still pulled the levers back vs the m-bar. I set up the Midge essentially parallel with the ground with the drops pointing down. The levers then become a nice flat extension of the bar and make for some good hand placement real estate! The flair on the midge is restrained enough to still use the tops of the lever hoods. This is what I was looking for. I also wanted to add some knobbage to the marathonesque bonty tires I was using without going full on 2.1 mtb. I am VERY happy I ran across the Kenda Klimax 1.9 tires. They were exactly what I wanted. Good enough knobs to hit some aggressive singletrack, but civilized on the pavement. So now in V.3.0 I took to the road so to speak. I did a nice meandering 30+ mile ride in mixed terrain to get some initial impressions. The extra width and positions of the bars were very welcome in varying conditions. Having the flats gave a nice upright comfortable cruising placement and then the wide hoods were awesome in the dirt. I was so impressed with the feel off road, I would consider these on my dedicated mtb. The drops worked surprisingly well on the couple steep dirt climbs I encountered too. I had quick access to the shifters without having to move away from reaching the brakes. So overall I think this is a positive change. I will say this however...when you ride a 700c CX bike and a 29er MTB...jumping on a 26 feels SO SLUGGISH. I kept checking to see if my brakes were dragging! I kept wondering if I could shoehorn a 650b in there and get some brakes to work! The AR is an awesome bike, but I will say that my old too small Bleriot felt loads more efficient. Here is a beautiful shot of the garage door with the newly altered bike obscuring the view. http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8531/8561112128_8bc9a3e879_b.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: All Rounder with Midge bar UPDATE
Whatta Machine! Get out and get that bike dirty. Really nice set up. - Jim / cyclofiend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: All Rounder with Midge bar UPDATE
LOL! Thanks!! It's funny, I have a personal RIV hall of fame and they are all 700c - 650B bikes. Thankfully they're all on flickr so I can drool when needed. To me, these bikes just look like fun and adventure waiting to happen at a split second. No particular order and hopefully not out of line by linking them. (all have been posted here previously) http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2327/2061530080_3ec46969a4_z.jpg http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2760/4354827488_d6f76b9d6d_z.jpg http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4118/4775212992_bd91f15d9d_z.jpg http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6083/6029981169_c453181a61_z.jpg http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2066/2877818929_70f234f2f8_z.jpg?zz=1 On Friday, March 15, 2013 6:48:59 PM UTC-6, murphyjrfk wrote: Of all this rivs I have drooled over seen ridden and loved yours is up there on the list o' the best. Then again I've never seen a riv I haven't loved:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: All Rounder with Midge bar UPDATE
Your AR is one of my inspirations for a future custom. Simple one color paint in a booming color. It was nice to see my old Hillborne on your list too. I hope the Midges work out for you like that. I love the way they look, but I could not get comfortable on the hoods. and I certainly agree with you on hardtail 29ers... after going through a few full suspension bikes, a well designed 29er is the best MTB no question! ~mike Carlsbad Ca..jpghttp://farm9.staticflickr.com/8531/8561112128_8bc9a3e879_b.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: All Rounder with Midge bar UPDATE
Sweet bike. I have the 700c version. About the Midge bars... Can you tell me how long of a stem you're using relative to the stem you used with the Mustache? It sounds like a little bit longer results in a slightly closer reach? What is your experience riding on the hoods? Weird angle? Better/worse than a standard drop bar hood position? On Friday, March 15, 2013 8:15:01 PM UTC-4, jinxed wrote: OK. So after some excellent and insightful RBW list input I went ahead and ordered the OnOne Midge bars some Cane Creek levers, and some Kenda MTB tires. My immediate goal was to alter the hand positions. I've been pretty content with the mustache bar set up, but have come to really enjoy the flats and wide sram hoods of my cross bike. My default position on the m-bars was basically on the very ends with my palms hanging over the bar end shifters. I thought adding the closer brake position and the flats of a more traditional drop bar would be a welcome change. As soon as the bars came in, I was happy I made the purchase, even if they dont remain on the Rivendell. Right out of the box they looked interestingly comfortable. NICE wide top flat section, short reach, tight and short drop. They flair but not out of control. I had heard the drop section was short, and it is, but to me seemed perfect. I got them installed with a vacant stem so I wouldnt have to completely disassemble my M-bar set up. The stem is a little too long, but the short reach on the bar still pulled the levers back vs the m-bar. I set up the Midge essentially parallel with the ground with the drops pointing down. The levers then become a nice flat extension of the bar and make for some good hand placement real estate! The flair on the midge is restrained enough to still use the tops of the lever hoods. This is what I was looking for. I also wanted to add some knobbage to the marathonesque bonty tires I was using without going full on 2.1 mtb. I am VERY happy I ran across the Kenda Klimax 1.9 tires. They were exactly what I wanted. Good enough knobs to hit some aggressive singletrack, but civilized on the pavement. So now in V.3.0 I took to the road so to speak. I did a nice meandering 30+ mile ride in mixed terrain to get some initial impressions. The extra width and positions of the bars were very welcome in varying conditions. Having the flats gave a nice upright comfortable cruising placement and then the wide hoods were awesome in the dirt. I was so impressed with the feel off road, I would consider these on my dedicated mtb. The drops worked surprisingly well on the couple steep dirt climbs I encountered too. I had quick access to the shifters without having to move away from reaching the brakes. So overall I think this is a positive change. I will say this however...when you ride a 700c CX bike and a 29er MTB...jumping on a 26 feels SO SLUGGISH. I kept checking to see if my brakes were dragging! I kept wondering if I could shoehorn a 650b in there and get some brakes to work! The AR is an awesome bike, but I will say that my old too small Bleriot felt loads more efficient. Here is a beautiful shot of the garage door with the newly altered bike obscuring the view. http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8531/8561112128_8bc9a3e879_b.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: All Rounder with Midge bar UPDATE
Good lookin' lot of bikes! On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 6:16 PM, jinxed hbcl...@yahoo.com wrote: LOL! Thanks!! It's funny, I have a personal RIV hall of fame and they are all 700c - 650B bikes. Thankfully they're all on flickr so I can drool when needed. To me, these bikes just look like fun and adventure waiting to happen at a split second. No particular order and hopefully not out of line by linking them. (all have been posted here previously) http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2327/2061530080_3ec46969a4_z.jpg http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2760/4354827488_d6f76b9d6d_z.jpg http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4118/4775212992_bd91f15d9d_z.jpg http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6083/6029981169_c453181a61_z.jpg http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2066/2877818929_70f234f2f8_z.jpg?zz=1 On Friday, March 15, 2013 6:48:59 PM UTC-6, murphyjrfk wrote: Of all this rivs I have drooled over seen ridden and loved yours is up there on the list o' the best. Then again I've never seen a riv I haven't loved:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
