Re: [RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[Surlyprof]

Thanks for the heads up on that part, Joe.  I had read in a couple of 
product reviews that there might be a rattle.  Didn't know that there might 
be a fix.  I'll check it out.

John

On Friday, October 16, 2015 at 3:41:13 PM UTC-7, joe b. wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 3:37 PM, I wrote:
>
>> Surlyprof,
>>
>> Re: lever rattle, Have you removed the plastic cable installation guide 
>> from lever body? Apparently it's only use is speeding factory assemblies. 
>> Mine have been gone for 10k happy, buzz and rattle free miles! Here's an 
>> old i-bob thread about it: 
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/internet-bob/THW_gw6tLf4
>> My Ultegra levers had the same design, and it drive me crazy until I 
>> learned this--quiet ever since.
>>
>
> ​And, here's a photo 
>  of the 
> offending bit. Thanks, Internet!  -joe in pdx​
>  
>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Surlyprof > > wrote:
>>
>>> When I went from albatross to albastache, I dropped down from a 110 stem 
>>> to an 80 based on Sean's recommendation at Riv.  The 30mm reduction was 
>>> perfect.  My only regret was not spending a little more on the brake 
>>> levers.  The Tiagras tend to rattle a little.
>>>
>>> John
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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[Surlyprof]

When I went from albatross to albastache, I dropped down from a 110 stem to an 
80 based on Sean's recommendation at Riv.  The 30mm reduction was perfect.  My 
only regret was not spending a little more on the brake levers.  The Tiagras 
tend to rattle a little.

John

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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[Will]

+1 for the Albastache. I recently installed one on my Atlantis. It replaced 
an older 25.4 Moustache. I like both, but the Albastashe is a more 
"generalist" bar: wider, slightly more sweep, more relaxed. It's not a 
cruiser bar, it is a comfortable bar. I wouldn't hesitate to take it in the 
woods. And I definitely like it for running errands and commuting. There 
are two considerations:

1) it will take your Albatross/Moustache bar-ends, and brake levers (good). 
Cockpit feel is very intuitive, organized, and logical. 
2) you will likely need a new stem (25.4 to 26) (bad) and if your 
transitioning from an Albatross, that stem should be shorter. Call Riv for 
the adjustment info. 





On Thursday, October 15, 2015 at 8:48:54 PM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> After selling dedicated road bike and mtb, I only own a Hillborne now.  I 
> also tried flipping my albatross bars to save some money.  Found the drop 
> was too far among other problems.  Sucked it up on the cost of a whole new 
> cockpit and bought the albastache.  I've never been happier with any other 
> set up.  They give a nice amount of reach for going fast-ish and enough 
> upright position to relax the neck and back while meandering.  The 
> albastache on my Hillborne feels about as all arounder as I can get.  Seems 
> to handle both roads and trails equally well.
>
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[hsmitham]

Hey Drew,

I think I'm close to pulling the trigger on some Soma Portola drops for my 
Hilsen. Seems like a bar I'd like for all round mixed terrain. The Hilsen 
is in flux now that I have a go faster bike. Change is inevitable. 

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 7:45:35 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> I have a sam and a hunqapillar. sam had mustache bars, hunq had albatross. 
> Then the hunq got albastache and the sam got the old albatross bars because 
> I figured it was silly to have 2 bikes with similar bars. Long story short, 
> the albatross bars on the sam feel way too upright for my liking (and sam 
> is my "roadyish" bike). I'm aware of all the nitto/riv models, but what do 
> people like for an all around bar?
>
> Looking for a couple hand positions, not fully upright, faster feeling 
> bar, mostly road riding with a little dirt. Solo, all purpose/no purpose 
> rides. 
> I haven't ridden drops since a fixed gear bike got me into bikes (and away 
> from fixed gears). I'm not super excited about drops but am somewhat 
> curious about the low rise dirt drop style bars. What's out there that I 
> should be considering?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[Joe Broach]

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 3:37 PM, I wrote:

> Surlyprof,
>
> Re: lever rattle, Have you removed the plastic cable installation guide
> from lever body? Apparently it's only use is speeding factory assemblies.
> Mine have been gone for 10k happy, buzz and rattle free miles! Here's an
> old i-bob thread about it:
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/internet-bob/THW_gw6tLf4
> My Ultegra levers had the same design, and it drive me crazy until I
> learned this--quiet ever since.
>

​And, here's a photo
 of the
offending bit. Thanks, Internet!  -joe in pdx​


>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Surlyprof  wrote:
>
>> When I went from albatross to albastache, I dropped down from a 110 stem
>> to an 80 based on Sean's recommendation at Riv.  The 30mm reduction was
>> perfect.  My only regret was not spending a little more on the brake
>> levers.  The Tiagras tend to rattle a little.
>>
>> John
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Re: [RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[Joe Broach]

Surlyprof,

Re: lever rattle, Have you removed the plastic cable installation guide
from lever body? Apparently it's only use is speeding factory assemblies.
Mine have been gone for 10k happy, buzz and rattle free miles! Here's an
old i-bob thread about it:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/internet-bob/THW_gw6tLf4
My Ultegra levers had the same design, and it drive me crazy until I
learned this--quiet ever since.

Best,
joe in pdx or

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Surlyprof  wrote:

> When I went from albatross to albastache, I dropped down from a 110 stem
> to an 80 based on Sean's recommendation at Riv.  The 30mm reduction was
> perfect.  My only regret was not spending a little more on the brake
> levers.  The Tiagras tend to rattle a little.
>
> John
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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[Matthew J]

No experience with the bar, but while looking over the JonesBike site for 
what's new, I noticed there is now a swept flat bar offering 
 among the H-bars.  (about half way down)

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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[David Banzer]

Having trouble loading attachments. Here's some links to the flipped 
Oxfords.
http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz136/dabanzer/bicycles/5D370652-C6A8-4893-B808-96F77916208F_zpsryrm0sxg.jpg
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http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz136/dabanzer/bicycles/10902CDF-30A6-4478-9B12-FC8FC02502D9_zps9ot9jp5h.jpg
David
Chicago

On Thursday, October 15, 2015 at 9:20:30 AM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>
> +1 to trying the Albatross flipped over, since you have it at least. I'd 
> been wanting to do this with the Soma Oxford (pretty close copy of 
> Albatross) bar I have on a lock-up commuter. I shortened the Oxfords by 
> about 1-1/2" on each side. Tried it out on my ride home yesterday, 
> definitely more aggressive, making the grip are below saddle - mine were 
> slightly above in the 'correct' orientation. Not sure if I'll keep them 
> this way or not. I have a threadless quill adapter and appropriate length 
> stem, might buy some hinged brake levers so I can flip them back/forth 
> easily.
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 11:49:55 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Have you tried Albatross flipped over? I have them that way on my Bike 
>> Friday and like it.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 7:45:35 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a sam and a hunqapillar. sam had mustache bars, hunq had 
>>> albatross. Then the hunq got albastache and the sam got the old albatross 
>>> bars because I figured it was silly to have 2 bikes with similar bars. Long 
>>> story short, the albatross bars on the sam feel way too upright for my 
>>> liking (and sam is my "roadyish" bike). I'm aware of all the nitto/riv 
>>> models, but what do people like for an all around bar?
>>>
>>> Looking for a couple hand positions, not fully upright, faster feeling 
>>> bar, mostly road riding with a little dirt. Solo, all purpose/no purpose 
>>> rides. 
>>> I haven't ridden drops since a fixed gear bike got me into bikes (and 
>>> away from fixed gears). I'm not super excited about drops but am somewhat 
>>> curious about the low rise dirt drop style bars. What's out there that I 
>>> should be considering?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[David Banzer]

+1 to trying the Albatross flipped over, since you have it at least. I'd 
been wanting to do this with the Soma Oxford (pretty close copy of 
Albatross) bar I have on a lock-up commuter. I shortened the Oxfords by 
about 1-1/2" on each side. Tried it out on my ride home yesterday, 
definitely more aggressive, making the grip are below saddle - mine were 
slightly above in the 'correct' orientation. Not sure if I'll keep them 
this way or not. I have a threadless quill adapter and appropriate length 
stem, might buy some hinged brake levers so I can flip them back/forth 
easily.
David
Chicago

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 11:49:55 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Have you tried Albatross flipped over? I have them that way on my Bike 
> Friday and like it.
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 7:45:35 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>>
>> I have a sam and a hunqapillar. sam had mustache bars, hunq had 
>> albatross. Then the hunq got albastache and the sam got the old albatross 
>> bars because I figured it was silly to have 2 bikes with similar bars. Long 
>> story short, the albatross bars on the sam feel way too upright for my 
>> liking (and sam is my "roadyish" bike). I'm aware of all the nitto/riv 
>> models, but what do people like for an all around bar?
>>
>> Looking for a couple hand positions, not fully upright, faster feeling 
>> bar, mostly road riding with a little dirt. Solo, all purpose/no purpose 
>> rides. 
>> I haven't ridden drops since a fixed gear bike got me into bikes (and 
>> away from fixed gears). I'm not super excited about drops but am somewhat 
>> curious about the low rise dirt drop style bars. What's out there that I 
>> should be considering?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[Surlyprof]

After selling dedicated road bike and mtb, I only own a Hillborne now.  I also 
tried flipping my albatross bars to save some money.  Found the drop was too 
far among other problems.  Sucked it up on the cost of a whole new cockpit and 
bought the albastache.  I've never been happier with any other set up.  They 
give a nice amount of reach for going fast-ish and enough upright position to 
relax the neck and back while meandering.  The albastache on my Hillborne feels 
about as all arounder as I can get.  Seems to handle both roads and trails 
equally well.

John

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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[Ron Mc]

drew, I've set my Map bar up with just 2 hand positions, but there's a mid 
hook position (I have it blocked with a bell). Great for climbing - best 
standing bike I've ever ridden. I was on a greenway path today and a band 
of roadies were spinning past then slowing down on their wind, several 
times (forcing me to pass them several times).  When they created a dicey 
traffic situation, I stood up and blew them away, tossing the bike left and 
right. It's a much more secure feeling than leaning on the hoods of my 
drop-bar bike. .  

On Thursday, October 15, 2015 at 5:14:22 PM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> Great info!
> flipped albatross didnt work so well for me when i tried it a couple of 
> years ago. i kind of like the look, but the positioning never felt good for 
> me. the vo crazy bar is too crazy, too wild. 
>
> so i think im down to the map/ahearne/jones/pope style bars or noodleish 
> drop bars. 
>
> leaning slightly to jones/ahearne. so questions about that style of bar: 
> how many hand positions will i realistically get? how are they for 
> climbing?  one main complaint i have about the albatross bars is that i 
> never really feel comfortable on long, sit down climbs. the position doesnt 
> really allow a satisfactory lean/weight distribution in that setting, and 
> my arms end up changing position every couple of minutes. 
>

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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[Matthew J]

Take a look at the VO Casey's Crazy Bar: 

That would be a challenge for a Riv.  There are open face quill stems on 
the market, but not so many decent ones.

I don't recall Riv ever selling an open face quill stem.

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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[drew]

Great info!
flipped albatross didnt work so well for me when i tried it a couple of 
years ago. i kind of like the look, but the positioning never felt good for 
me. the vo crazy bar is too crazy, too wild. 

so i think im down to the map/ahearne/jones/pope style bars or noodleish 
drop bars. 

leaning slightly to jones/ahearne. so questions about that style of bar: 
how many hand positions will i realistically get? how are they for 
climbing?  one main complaint i have about the albatross bars is that i 
never really feel comfortable on long, sit down climbs. the position doesnt 
really allow a satisfactory lean/weight distribution in that setting, and 
my arms end up changing position every couple of minutes. 

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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[drew]

thanks all. 
im not entirely opposed to drops. if it wasnt a whole other can of worms 
and didnt require a different sized stem and brake levers, i'd probably try 
noodles before anything else.. and may still be convinced that that is the 
way to go.  the jitensa shape makes sense in my mind, and would be a 
cheaper swap. 


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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[RJM]

Well, I personally think drops are where it's at for an all around bar, 
especially on a bike that has canti posts and allows some serious braking. 
Nitto Noodles work well as an all around bar with really comfortable hand 
positions. 
 
Now, I will say I really liked the Nitto mustache bars I used on a Jamis 
Aurora. They gave a few hand positions and you could get yourself down into 
a more aggressive position with holding the bends too. I've had Albatross 
bars and those are good for a bike that I'm not going to try to "perform" 
on. 
 
For mountain biking I still like a flat bar (my mountain bike is a newer 
Trek fuel ex, so it's not rivy at all). The flat bars seem to give enough 
leverage where I can move that front wheel around obstacles with authority. 
I'm not a great, graceful mountain biker, so the extra "authority" is often 
needed. 
 
So...All around I would go with Noodles...my go fast Roadeo has Mark's bars 
which I like a lotgetting more into the dirt and trail riding I would 
opt for something like a mustache bar. 
 

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 9:45:35 PM UTC-5, drew wrote:

> I have a sam and a hunqapillar. sam had mustache bars, hunq had albatross. 
> Then the hunq got albastache and the sam got the old albatross bars because 
> I figured it was silly to have 2 bikes with similar bars. Long story short, 
> the albatross bars on the sam feel way too upright for my liking (and sam 
> is my "roadyish" bike). I'm aware of all the nitto/riv models, but what do 
> people like for an all around bar? 
>
> Looking for a couple hand positions, not fully upright, faster feeling 
> bar, mostly road riding with a little dirt. Solo, all purpose/no purpose 
> rides. 
> I haven't ridden drops since a fixed gear bike got me into bikes (and away 
> from fixed gears). I'm not super excited about drops but am somewhat 
> curious about the low rise dirt drop style bars. What's out there that I 
> should be considering?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[Jim Bronson]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> Riveldell Mark's bar,  Nitto 177


177 is the Noodle model number.  Mark's Bar is Nitto 178, and from the
description on Rivendell's page, sounds like it was developed from the 185.

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/hb6.htm



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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[David Banzer]

The Jitensha bar is 26.0mm clamp, so unless you have a 26.0mm stem with a 
shim to 25.4mm for the Albatross bars, you'll need a different stem.
David
Chicago

On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 10:47:56 AM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> thanks all. 
> im not entirely opposed to drops. if it wasnt a whole other can of worms 
> and didnt require a different sized stem and brake levers, i'd probably try 
> noodles before anything else.. and may still be convinced that that is the 
> way to go.  the jitensa shape makes sense in my mind, and would be a 
> cheaper swap. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

['Hudson Doerge' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have jones bend bars on my mtb and really like them. Would definitely 
consider them for an all rounder setup. And the bend bars are cheaper than loop 
or cut jones bars. The map/ahearne bar looks awesome for a more road oriented, 
narrower alternative to the jones and it comes in a quill stem friendly clamp 
diameter. 

Hudson in ATX 

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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[Ron Mc]

Ahearne MAP bar is 25.4 mm clamp, and available in same width as Jitensa 
(575), and wider (615). 
 http://www.ahearnecycles.com/shop/ahearnemap-handlebar

On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 11:26:36 AM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>
> The Jitensha bar is 26.0mm clamp, so unless you have a 26.0mm stem with a 
> shim to 25.4mm for the Albatross bars, you'll need a different stem.
> David
> Chicago
>
>>
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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[ant ritchey]

my shoulders/anatomy feel a little pinched on the jitensha's, but I see 
where they'd work for folks.  i'm a six foot four broad shouldered bloke.

i just swapped albatross for ahearne maps on my "all rounder" (atlantis), 
the bike on which i'm about to do this oregon outback thing i've heard so 
much about, so we'll see.

i've been comfy and pleased with the albatross for many years, many miles, 
many types of roads and riding.  and i'd never sell them.  get noodles high 
enough and they're pretty all-roundish, especially if yer sam is roady-ish.


On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 7:45:35 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> I have a sam and a hunqapillar. sam had mustache bars, hunq had albatross. 
> Then the hunq got albastache and the sam got the old albatross bars because 
> I figured it was silly to have 2 bikes with similar bars. Long story short, 
> the albatross bars on the sam feel way too upright for my liking (and sam 
> is my "roadyish" bike). I'm aware of all the nitto/riv models, but what do 
> people like for an all around bar?
>
> Looking for a couple hand positions, not fully upright, faster feeling 
> bar, mostly road riding with a little dirt. Solo, all purpose/no purpose 
> rides. 
> I haven't ridden drops since a fixed gear bike got me into bikes (and away 
> from fixed gears). I'm not super excited about drops but am somewhat 
> curious about the low rise dirt drop style bars. What's out there that I 
> should be considering?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[Ron Mc]

thanks Jim, I knew there was a difference with the Mark's bar having 
shorter reach.  I tried to find it on Alex and picked the wrong one.  

On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 1:32:32 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Ron Mc  
> wrote:
>
>> Riveldell Mark's bar,  Nitto 177
>
>
> 177 is the Noodle model number.  Mark's Bar is Nitto 178, and from the 
> description on Rivendell's page, sounds like it was developed from the 185.
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/hb6.htm
>
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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[Ron Mc]

Since it came up, I'll throw in here.  The Jitensa (Nitto B2522), Ahearne 
MAP bar, and One One Mary are all the shape bar (based on the Jones H-bar), 
listed from narrowest to widest.  My Ahearne MAP bars are 615 mm.  Jitensa, 
575mm; MAP available in 615mm and also 575mm; and Mary bar 645mm.  
http://oldglorymtb.com/round-up-alternative-or-alt-mountain-bike-handlebars/ 
 

 




 

I built a very upright bike, though I can certainly lean into it.  Even 
though I used grips with no wrap, I do have two grip positions, hooking 
just inside the cork with knuckles against the shifter (my normal), and a 
rest position by reaching out wider on the grips.  
I don't need more - I regularly ride up to 50 mi, and have been over 65.  
While we have a tendency to lean on the bars, we're really not supposed to 
- that's what creates cervical strain/injury and at least part of hand 
numbness.  
Should be supporting our torso with our core muscles.  
That said, the shape of these bars makes for very natural hand position, 
though it did take me about 200 mi to dial in the tilt just right.  But 
after that, no hand numbness on any ride of any length.  

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 10:28:47 PM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
>
> Oooh, this is gonna get a lot of responses I bet. 
>
> Honestly, the albastache's for me have been the overall best so far, for 
> multipurpose riding as they give an upright position *and* aggressive 
> aero position (with the big drawback being that the brake levers are not in 
> your hands for the upright bar end position). But like drop bars, 
> albastaches are pretty dependent on stem length and height (whereas 
> abatross, bosco's, and other upright bars are less so).  That being said, I 
> no longer have the albastache's on any of my bikes. 
>
> I still like drop bars for fast road riding and run them on my main road 
> bike: nothing beats the flat parts and brake hoods for cruising. I'm 
> currently running Jones Loop bars on my mountain bike and like them a lot 
> more than albastache and bullmoose for trail riding, and am really getting 
> into them for road riding too, but they are 31.8 so if you have a threaded 
> steerer you need an adapter which isn't ideal. 
>
> I hear the Ahearne Map bars are a really good all rounder. I may end up 
> replacing my jones with map bars next. 
>
> Handlebars are the cheaper and more fun way to change your bike without 
> having to pay for a new bike. I like experimenting with different setups.
>

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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[Matthew J]

I'm with Ron.  That bike is as all round as it gets for me.

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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

['hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Drew,

Take a look at the Surly Open Bar:

http://surlybikes.com/parts/handlebars/open_bar

I choose the "zero rise" version for my Sam.  It has three solid hand 
positions which allow me to ride both upright and stretched out.  I 
installed this bar as a temporary solution and haven't looked back.  It's 
been over two years and the Noodles are just hanging up in the garage.  If  
black doesn't float your boat than just wrap them with the tape and color 
of your choice.

Matt

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 7:45:35 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> I have a sam and a hunqapillar. sam had mustache bars, hunq had albatross. 
> Then the hunq got albastache and the sam got the old albatross bars because 
> I figured it was silly to have 2 bikes with similar bars. Long story short, 
> the albatross bars on the sam feel way too upright for my liking (and sam 
> is my "roadyish" bike). I'm aware of all the nitto/riv models, but what do 
> people like for an all around bar?
>
> Looking for a couple hand positions, not fully upright, faster feeling 
> bar, mostly road riding with a little dirt. Solo, all purpose/no purpose 
> rides. 
> I haven't ridden drops since a fixed gear bike got me into bikes (and away 
> from fixed gears). I'm not super excited about drops but am somewhat 
> curious about the low rise dirt drop style bars. What's out there that I 
> should be considering?
>

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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[Ron Mc]

Thanks Matthew - I built this bike for a 10-20 mi city greenway ride, but I 
can't leave it alone and my other bikes are getting lonely.  

On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 8:36:41 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>
> I'm with Ron.  That bike is as all round as it gets for me.
>

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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[Rod Holland]

Just to be contrary, I'll through Noodles into the mix. I find they give me 
a very comfortable range of upright positions, as well as some very useful 
more aggressive ones.

rod

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 10:45:35 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> I have a sam and a hunqapillar. sam had mustache bars, hunq had albatross. 
> Then the hunq got albastache and the sam got the old albatross bars because 
> I figured it was silly to have 2 bikes with similar bars. Long story short, 
> the albatross bars on the sam feel way too upright for my liking (and sam 
> is my "roadyish" bike). I'm aware of all the nitto/riv models, but what do 
> people like for an all around bar?
>
> Looking for a couple hand positions, not fully upright, faster feeling 
> bar, mostly road riding with a little dirt. Solo, all purpose/no purpose 
> rides. 
> I haven't ridden drops since a fixed gear bike got me into bikes (and away 
> from fixed gears). I'm not super excited about drops but am somewhat 
> curious about the low rise dirt drop style bars. What's out there that I 
> should be considering?
>

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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[Ron Mc]

the (former?) Riveldell Mark's bar,  Nitto 177,  is a shorter-reach noodle. 
 My daughter has noodles with cross brakes (interruptors) on her road bike, 
and the downward slope, opposite of a rando bar, makes for a perfect cross 
grip position.  




On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 8:58:30 AM UTC-5, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> Just to be contrary, I'll through Noodles into the mix. I find they give 
> me a very comfortable range of upright positions, as well as some very 
> useful more aggressive ones.
>
> rod
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 10:45:35 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>>
>> I have a sam and a hunqapillar. sam had mustache bars, hunq had 
>> albatross. Then the hunq got albastache and the sam got the old albatross 
>> bars because I figured it was silly to have 2 bikes with similar bars. Long 
>> story short, the albatross bars on the sam feel way too upright for my 
>> liking (and sam is my "roadyish" bike). I'm aware of all the nitto/riv 
>> models, but what do people like for an all around bar?
>>
>> Looking for a couple hand positions, not fully upright, faster feeling 
>> bar, mostly road riding with a little dirt. Solo, all purpose/no purpose 
>> rides. 
>> I haven't ridden drops since a fixed gear bike got me into bikes (and 
>> away from fixed gears). I'm not super excited about drops but am somewhat 
>> curious about the low rise dirt drop style bars. What's out there that I 
>> should be considering?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[Joe Bernard]

Have you tried Albatross flipped over? I have them that way on my Bike 
Friday and like it.

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 7:45:35 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> I have a sam and a hunqapillar. sam had mustache bars, hunq had albatross. 
> Then the hunq got albastache and the sam got the old albatross bars because 
> I figured it was silly to have 2 bikes with similar bars. Long story short, 
> the albatross bars on the sam feel way too upright for my liking (and sam 
> is my "roadyish" bike). I'm aware of all the nitto/riv models, but what do 
> people like for an all around bar?
>
> Looking for a couple hand positions, not fully upright, faster feeling 
> bar, mostly road riding with a little dirt. Solo, all purpose/no purpose 
> rides. 
> I haven't ridden drops since a fixed gear bike got me into bikes (and away 
> from fixed gears). I'm not super excited about drops but am somewhat 
> curious about the low rise dirt drop style bars. What's out there that I 
> should be considering?
>

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[RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[dstein]

Oooh, this is gonna get a lot of responses I bet. 

Honestly, the albastache's for me have been the overall best so far, for 
multipurpose riding as they give an upright position *and* aggressive aero 
position (with the big drawback being that the brake levers are not in your 
hands for the upright bar end position). But like drop bars, albastaches 
are pretty dependent on stem length and height (whereas abatross, bosco's, 
and other upright bars are less so).  That being said, I no longer have the 
albastache's on any of my bikes. 

I still like drop bars for fast road riding and run them on my main road 
bike: nothing beats the flat parts and brake hoods for cruising. I'm 
currently running Jones Loop bars on my mountain bike and like them a lot 
more than albastache and bullmoose for trail riding, and am really getting 
into them for road riding too, but they are 31.8 so if you have a threaded 
steerer you need an adapter which isn't ideal. 

I hear the Ahearne Map bars are a really good all rounder. I may end up 
replacing my jones with map bars next. 

Handlebars are the cheaper and more fun way to change your bike without 
having to pay for a new bike. I like experimenting with different setups.

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