Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Don Compton]

 Patrick, As I age ( 64 ), I am still enjoying riding, but the "roadie 
club" rides have become less attractive to me. I put together a Sunday ride 
from my home and usually have 8-15 people show up. Maybe because I am 
getting older, I am getting less tolerant of riders whole can't appreciate 
the benefit of a cohesive group that allows everyone on the ride to keep up 
with the group. Oh well. 
Another change I see is all this Strave like crap. Whatever happened to the 
just, sheer enjoyment of riding? When I see this crap on my rides, I just 
can't wait for the ride to be over and head to the range to hit some 
bullseyes
Rant over.

On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 1:48:06 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I dislike officious roadies myself, but I like to remember that I've met 
> many very friendly ones, in fact, the higher up on the racing scale, the 
> nicer they seem. 
>
> Some people like to toodle along, others like to push themselves, I'm 
> rather in the middle, and I say, *vive la difference.*
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 10:36 AM, El Sapo  > wrote:
>
>> I get the most enjoyment from just observing those guys. I ride a flat 
>> path. There are walkers, joggers, kids, dogs. Every time I go out I tell 
>> myself to enjoy the ride and forget about everything else. That lady with 
>> the Kmart full suspension bike and a bag of groceries passes me? I say 
>> hello, what a great day for a ride! When I see racers, clubs etc. They 
>> ignore me, or at least try to. I'm thinking if you are trying to have a 
>> speedy ride, why are you on this path? Sometimes the conditions are right 
>> and I might be a little hard for them to drop. In those cases I love to see 
>> the looks of pain on their faces. Seriously, these guys look like they are 
>> in pain. I imagine they are battling a case of projectile diarrhea, have a 
>> chuckle, it takes me to my happy place.  
>>
>>  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Patrick Moore]

I dislike officious roadies myself, but I like to remember that I've met
many very friendly ones, in fact, the higher up on the racing scale, the
nicer they seem.

Some people like to toodle along, others like to push themselves, I'm
rather in the middle, and I say, *vive la difference.*

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 10:36 AM, El Sapo 
wrote:

> I get the most enjoyment from just observing those guys. I ride a flat
> path. There are walkers, joggers, kids, dogs. Every time I go out I tell
> myself to enjoy the ride and forget about everything else. That lady with
> the Kmart full suspension bike and a bag of groceries passes me? I say
> hello, what a great day for a ride! When I see racers, clubs etc. They
> ignore me, or at least try to. I'm thinking if you are trying to have a
> speedy ride, why are you on this path? Sometimes the conditions are right
> and I might be a little hard for them to drop. In those cases I love to see
> the looks of pain on their faces. Seriously, these guys look like they are
> in pain. I imagine they are battling a case of projectile diarrhea, have a
> chuckle, it takes me to my happy place.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[El Sapo]

I get the most enjoyment from just observing those guys. I ride a flat 
path. There are walkers, joggers, kids, dogs. Every time I go out I tell 
myself to enjoy the ride and forget about everything else. That lady with 
the Kmart full suspension bike and a bag of groceries passes me? I say 
hello, what a great day for a ride! When I see racers, clubs etc. They 
ignore me, or at least try to. I'm thinking if you are trying to have a 
speedy ride, why are you on this path? Sometimes the conditions are right 
and I might be a little hard for them to drop. In those cases I love to see 
the looks of pain on their faces. Seriously, these guys look like they are 
in pain. I imagine they are battling a case of projectile diarrhea, have a 
chuckle, it takes me to my happy place.  

   

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 6:42:39 PM UTC-7, Julian wrote:

> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect 
> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying 
> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really 
> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!) 
>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," 
> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few 
> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two. 
>
> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs 
> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the 
> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got 
> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how 
> best to deal with people like that. 
>
> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Hugh Smitham]

Hey is this John Oliver masquerading as Jim Warren?? Or perhaps the "Dude"
Priceless. "This aggression will not stand, man". ROTFL

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 3:05:35 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
>
> For me, Julian's story is notable for one huge reason:
>
> that the guy said to him, "you're making us look bad."
>
> This will not stand, ya' know. This aggression will not stand, man.
>
>
> - James
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 20, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Ryan Fleming  > wrote:
>
> Actually, in Winnipeg , I've never been dissed for what I was riding 
> either. There are not  so many Riv owners in Winnipeg...I would guess it's 
> a very small population (20 or so?), so  Rivs are unusual enough that they 
> garner attention,   it's usually complimentary and this is based on 23 
> years as an X0-1 /Riv owner. I've never encountered  a fellow cyclistas 
> hostile as the guy  in Julian's original post ; that person was just being 
>  rude. Personally speaking, I have nothing against racers or people who 
> ride carbon fiber bikes fast..(huge fan of international racing)
>
>  I'd like to say to Julian  that I would love to  have the grace to rise 
> above it and just ride that person off my wheel , but that probably 
> wouldn't happen and my inner fishwife would come out...as it does with bad 
> drivers.  It's hard to bite your tongue when someone's being nasty and /or 
> outright threatening though.
>
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 2:47:15 PM UTC-5, masmojo wrote:
>>
>> Honestly,  it's been my experience that the Freds, "roadies", mamils, 
>> etc. Don't need anything to make themselves look bad; when I used to race 
>> mountain bikes some years back, I would go for long excursions on the 
>> weekend outside of town.  Large groups of lycra clad roadies, would 
>> sometimes pass me & I would simply be amazed at their audacity and 
>> ambivalence towards cars & traffic.  Typically,  when they passed riding 6 
>> & 7 across thoroughly blocking 1 plus lane of a narrow country road, there 
>> would be 2 or 3 cars patiently driving 20 mph behind them and would be 
>> making no attempt at all to move over & let them by! My thought!? No wonder 
>> motorists hate them!
>> Regarding bells, I have them on most of my bikes now, not so much because 
>> I like bells, but I found they are the most effective, non-obnoxious way to 
>> alert people ahead you are coming.  You can ding your bell much earlier 
>> then you would call (or yell) & the sound of the bell really carries, and 
>> is much friendlier and cheerful. 
>> I have always ridden unconventional bikes, but honestly I typically get 
>> more compliments; here in Texas, people may smirk or make a comment to 
>> their riding companion,  but they would never even think about being rude 
>> to your face. I am constantly amazed by people who say "hey, nice bike" or 
>> "cool bike"; occasionally I think they are being condescending,  but I play 
>> along and usually find that they actually know what it is I am riding and 
>> they are being sincere. ;-)
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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Cecily Walker]

Or better yet, smoke him on your "relic". ;)


On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 6:50:01 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Breath is wasted on ignorant arrogance like that. Ignore him.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 7:42:39 PM UTC-6, Julian wrote:
>>
>>
>> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
>> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Evan E.]

Jock: That's a great story!

Julian: It occurs to me that the guy who said mean things about your 
Rambouillet actually covets it. Seriously. Imagine this:

ROADIE:  "Where'd you get that relic?"

JULIAN:  (Smiles. Doesn't reply.) 

ROADIE:  "Is it from the sixties or the seventies?"

JULIAN:  "2007."

ROADIE:  "No way! That thing must be a tank."

JULIAN:  (Chuckles slightly.) "No, not really."

ROADIE:  "I can't understand why you'd ride it."

JULIAN:  "Do you want this bike?"

ROADIE:  (Surprised.) "What?"

JULIAN:  "You've dissed it four times in the last five minutes, so I can 
only surmise that you protest too much. You like this bike, right?"

ROADIE:  (Sputtering.)  "No!"

JULIAN:  "Come on. Your secret's safe."

ROADIE:  (Whispers.)  "Well . . . those lugs *are* pretty sweet."

 ~ FIN ~













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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Daniel D.]

But if you're on the 6lb racer bike and your clone's on a 45lb gas pipe 
you're going to kick ass...

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 8:16:01 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Wasn't it Lon Haldeman who said something like "Bikes don't win races, 
> muscles win races."?
>
> Put me on a 6lb. Trek racer bike, give Lon haldeman a 45 lb. gas pipe 
> tubed steel frame and let's see who can finish a 200k brevet first. I'll 
> probably still be at the first control while Lon is getting his finishing 
> stamp on his card.
>

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Lungimsam]

Wasn't it Lon Haldeman who said something like "Bikes don't win races, 
muscles win races."?

Put me on a 6lb. Trek racer bike, give Lon haldeman a 45 lb. gas pipe tubed 
steel frame and let's see who can finish a 200k brevet first. I'll probably 
still be at the first control while Lon is getting his finishing stamp on 
his card.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Ron Mc]

the punch-line is the irony - his ignorance in voicing his perception of 
your ignorance

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 5:53:40 PM UTC-5, Julian wrote:
>
> In my experience good comments far outweigh bad, and both are dwarfed by 
> the norm - -no comment, which is what I would expect. 
>
> This guy was not threatening, just obnoxious and clueless -- my biggest 
> issue was trying not to respond in kind, which is tough indeed when faced 
> with persistent idiocy -- I felt my polite but firm response was ok, but 
> perhaps not ideal -- "now please be quiet," followed by my best 
> middle-aged-guy-who-was-never-fast-and-is-even-less-so-in-early-spring hill 
> sprint, which was only marginally better than his...   :) 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, Il 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Julian]

In my experience good comments far outweigh bad, and both are dwarfed by 
the norm - -no comment, which is what I would expect. 

This guy was not threatening, just obnoxious and clueless -- my biggest 
issue was trying not to respond in kind, which is tough indeed when faced 
with persistent idiocy -- I felt my polite but firm response was ok, but 
perhaps not ideal -- "now please be quiet," followed by my best 
middle-aged-guy-who-was-never-fast-and-is-even-less-so-in-early-spring hill 
sprint, which was only marginally better than his...   :) 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, Il 

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 4:38:10 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Actually, in Winnipeg , I've never been dissed for what I was riding 
> either. There are not  so many Riv owners in Winnipeg...I would guess it's 
> a very small population (20 or so?), so  Rivs are unusual enough that they 
> garner attention,   it's usually complimentary and this is based on 23 
> years as an X0-1 /Riv owner. I've never encountered  a fellow cyclistas 
> hostile as the guy  in Julian's original post ; that person was just being 
>  rude. Personally speaking, I have nothing against racers or people who 
> ride carbon fiber bikes fast..(huge fan of international racing)
>
>  I'd like to say to Julian  that I would love to  have the grace to rise 
> above it and just ride that person off my wheel , but that probably 
> wouldn't happen and my inner fishwife would come out...as it does with bad 
> drivers.  It's hard to bite your tongue when someone's being nasty and /or 
> outright threatening though.
>
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 2:47:15 PM UTC-5, masmojo wrote:
>>
>> Honestly,  it's been my experience that the Freds, "roadies", mamils, 
>> etc. Don't need anything to make themselves look bad; when I used to race 
>> mountain bikes some years back, I would go for long excursions on the 
>> weekend outside of town.  Large groups of lycra clad roadies, would 
>> sometimes pass me & I would simply be amazed at their audacity and 
>> ambivalence towards cars & traffic.  Typically,  when they passed riding 6 
>> & 7 across thoroughly blocking 1 plus lane of a narrow country road, there 
>> would be 2 or 3 cars patiently driving 20 mph behind them and would be 
>> making no attempt at all to move over & let them by! My thought!? No wonder 
>> motorists hate them!
>> Regarding bells, I have them on most of my bikes now, not so much because 
>> I like bells, but I found they are the most effective, non-obnoxious way to 
>> alert people ahead you are coming.  You can ding your bell much earlier 
>> then you would call (or yell) & the sound of the bell really carries, and 
>> is much friendlier and cheerful. 
>> I have always ridden unconventional bikes, but honestly I typically get 
>> more compliments; here in Texas, people may smirk or make a comment to 
>> their riding companion,  but they would never even think about being rude 
>> to your face. I am constantly amazed by people who say "hey, nice bike" or 
>> "cool bike"; occasionally I think they are being condescending,  but I play 
>> along and usually find that they actually know what it is I am riding and 
>> they are being sincere. ;-)
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Will]

Nah... next time Julian says: "It sucks to ride a hand made frame from one 
of the top shops in the world..." Then he looks at the carbon bike, maybe 
pinches one of its skinny tires...  AND LAUGHS. 

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 5:05:35 PM UTC-5, James Warren wrote:
>
> For me, Julian's story is notable for one huge reason:
>
> that the guy said to him, "you're making us look bad."
>
> This will not stand, ya' know. This aggression will not stand, man.
>
>
> - James
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 20, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Ryan Fleming  > wrote:
>
> Actually, in Winnipeg , I've never been dissed for what I was riding 
> either. There are not  so many Riv owners in Winnipeg...I would guess it's 
> a very small population (20 or so?), so  Rivs are unusual enough that they 
> garner attention,   it's usually complimentary and this is based on 23 
> years as an X0-1 /Riv owner. I've never encountered  a fellow cyclistas 
> hostile as the guy  in Julian's original post ; that person was just being 
>  rude. Personally speaking, I have nothing against racers or people who 
> ride carbon fiber bikes fast..(huge fan of international racing)
>
>  I'd like to say to Julian  that I would love to  have the grace to rise 
> above it and just ride that person off my wheel , but that probably 
> wouldn't happen and my inner fishwife would come out...as it does with bad 
> drivers.  It's hard to bite your tongue when someone's being nasty and /or 
> outright threatening though.
>
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 2:47:15 PM UTC-5, masmojo wrote:
>>
>> Honestly,  it's been my experience that the Freds, "roadies", mamils, 
>> etc. Don't need anything to make themselves look bad; when I used to race 
>> mountain bikes some years back, I would go for long excursions on the 
>> weekend outside of town.  Large groups of lycra clad roadies, would 
>> sometimes pass me & I would simply be amazed at their audacity and 
>> ambivalence towards cars & traffic.  Typically,  when they passed riding 6 
>> & 7 across thoroughly blocking 1 plus lane of a narrow country road, there 
>> would be 2 or 3 cars patiently driving 20 mph behind them and would be 
>> making no attempt at all to move over & let them by! My thought!? No wonder 
>> motorists hate them!
>> Regarding bells, I have them on most of my bikes now, not so much because 
>> I like bells, but I found they are the most effective, non-obnoxious way to 
>> alert people ahead you are coming.  You can ding your bell much earlier 
>> then you would call (or yell) & the sound of the bell really carries, and 
>> is much friendlier and cheerful. 
>> I have always ridden unconventional bikes, but honestly I typically get 
>> more compliments; here in Texas, people may smirk or make a comment to 
>> their riding companion,  but they would never even think about being rude 
>> to your face. I am constantly amazed by people who say "hey, nice bike" or 
>> "cool bike"; occasionally I think they are being condescending,  but I play 
>> along and usually find that they actually know what it is I am riding and 
>> they are being sincere. ;-)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Julian]

Hah! Too make the motley group on that ride (myself included) actually look 
worse than we did would be an achievement worth noting! 


On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 5:05:35 PM UTC-5, James Warren wrote:
>
> For me, Julian's story is notable for one huge reason:
>
> that the guy said to him, "you're making us look bad."
>
> This will not stand, ya' know. This aggression will not stand, man.
>
>
> - James
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 20, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Ryan Fleming  > wrote:
>
> Actually, in Winnipeg , I've never been dissed for what I was riding 
> either. There are not  so many Riv owners in Winnipeg...I would guess it's 
> a very small population (20 or so?), so  Rivs are unusual enough that they 
> garner attention,   it's usually complimentary and this is based on 23 
> years as an X0-1 /Riv owner. I've never encountered  a fellow cyclistas 
> hostile as the guy  in Julian's original post ; that person was just being 
>  rude. Personally speaking, I have nothing against racers or people who 
> ride carbon fiber bikes fast..(huge fan of international racing)
>
>  I'd like to say to Julian  that I would love to  have the grace to rise 
> above it and just ride that person off my wheel , but that probably 
> wouldn't happen and my inner fishwife would come out...as it does with bad 
> drivers.  It's hard to bite your tongue when someone's being nasty and /or 
> outright threatening though.
>
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 2:47:15 PM UTC-5, masmojo wrote:
>>
>> Honestly,  it's been my experience that the Freds, "roadies", mamils, 
>> etc. Don't need anything to make themselves look bad; when I used to race 
>> mountain bikes some years back, I would go for long excursions on the 
>> weekend outside of town.  Large groups of lycra clad roadies, would 
>> sometimes pass me & I would simply be amazed at their audacity and 
>> ambivalence towards cars & traffic.  Typically,  when they passed riding 6 
>> & 7 across thoroughly blocking 1 plus lane of a narrow country road, there 
>> would be 2 or 3 cars patiently driving 20 mph behind them and would be 
>> making no attempt at all to move over & let them by! My thought!? No wonder 
>> motorists hate them!
>> Regarding bells, I have them on most of my bikes now, not so much because 
>> I like bells, but I found they are the most effective, non-obnoxious way to 
>> alert people ahead you are coming.  You can ding your bell much earlier 
>> then you would call (or yell) & the sound of the bell really carries, and 
>> is much friendlier and cheerful. 
>> I have always ridden unconventional bikes, but honestly I typically get 
>> more compliments; here in Texas, people may smirk or make a comment to 
>> their riding companion,  but they would never even think about being rude 
>> to your face. I am constantly amazed by people who say "hey, nice bike" or 
>> "cool bike"; occasionally I think they are being condescending,  but I play 
>> along and usually find that they actually know what it is I am riding and 
>> they are being sincere. ;-)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[James Warren]

For me, Julian's story is notable for one huge reason:

that the guy said to him, "you're making us look bad."

This will not stand, ya' know. This aggression will not stand, man.


- James


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> On Apr 20, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Ryan Fleming  
> wrote:
> 
> Actually, in Winnipeg , I've never been dissed for what I was riding either. 
> There are not  so many Riv owners in Winnipeg...I would guess it's a very 
> small population (20 or so?), so  Rivs are unusual enough that they garner 
> attention,   it's usually complimentary and this is based on 23 years as an 
> X0-1 /Riv owner. I've never encountered  a fellow cyclistas hostile as 
> the guy  in Julian's original post ; that person was just being  rude. 
> Personally speaking, I have nothing against racers or people who ride carbon 
> fiber bikes fast..(huge fan of international racing)
> 
>  I'd like to say to Julian  that I would love to  have the grace to rise 
> above it and just ride that person off my wheel , but that probably wouldn't 
> happen and my inner fishwife would come out...as it does with bad drivers.  
> It's hard to bite your tongue when someone's being nasty and /or outright 
> threatening though.
> 
>> On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 2:47:15 PM UTC-5, masmojo wrote:
>> Honestly,  it's been my experience that the Freds, "roadies", mamils, etc. 
>> Don't need anything to make themselves look bad; when I used to race 
>> mountain bikes some years back, I would go for long excursions on the 
>> weekend outside of town.  Large groups of lycra clad roadies, would 
>> sometimes pass me & I would simply be amazed at their audacity and 
>> ambivalence towards cars & traffic.  Typically,  when they passed riding 6 & 
>> 7 across thoroughly blocking 1 plus lane of a narrow country road, there 
>> would be 2 or 3 cars patiently driving 20 mph behind them and would be 
>> making no attempt at all to move over & let them by! My thought!? No wonder 
>> motorists hate them!
>> Regarding bells, I have them on most of my bikes now, not so much because I 
>> like bells, but I found they are the most effective, non-obnoxious way to 
>> alert people ahead you are coming.  You can ding your bell much earlier then 
>> you would call (or yell) & the sound of the bell really carries, and is much 
>> friendlier and cheerful. 
>> I have always ridden unconventional bikes, but honestly I typically get more 
>> compliments; here in Texas, people may smirk or make a comment to their 
>> riding companion,  but they would never even think about being rude to your 
>> face. I am constantly amazed by people who say "hey, nice bike" or "cool 
>> bike"; occasionally I think they are being condescending,  but I play along 
>> and usually find that they actually know what it is I am riding and they are 
>> being sincere. ;-)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Ryan Fleming]

Actually, in Winnipeg , I've never been dissed for what I was riding 
either. There are not  so many Riv owners in Winnipeg...I would guess it's 
a very small population (20 or so?), so  Rivs are unusual enough that they 
garner attention,   it's usually complimentary and this is based on 23 
years as an X0-1 /Riv owner. I've never encountered  a fellow cyclistas 
hostile as the guy  in Julian's original post ; that person was just being 
 rude. Personally speaking, I have nothing against racers or people who 
ride carbon fiber bikes fast..(huge fan of international racing)

 I'd like to say to Julian  that I would love to  have the grace to rise 
above it and just ride that person off my wheel , but that probably 
wouldn't happen and my inner fishwife would come out...as it does with bad 
drivers.  It's hard to bite your tongue when someone's being nasty and /or 
outright threatening though.

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 2:47:15 PM UTC-5, masmojo wrote:
>
> Honestly,  it's been my experience that the Freds, "roadies", mamils, etc. 
> Don't need anything to make themselves look bad; when I used to race 
> mountain bikes some years back, I would go for long excursions on the 
> weekend outside of town.  Large groups of lycra clad roadies, would 
> sometimes pass me & I would simply be amazed at their audacity and 
> ambivalence towards cars & traffic.  Typically,  when they passed riding 6 
> & 7 across thoroughly blocking 1 plus lane of a narrow country road, there 
> would be 2 or 3 cars patiently driving 20 mph behind them and would be 
> making no attempt at all to move over & let them by! My thought!? No wonder 
> motorists hate them!
> Regarding bells, I have them on most of my bikes now, not so much because 
> I like bells, but I found they are the most effective, non-obnoxious way to 
> alert people ahead you are coming.  You can ding your bell much earlier 
> then you would call (or yell) & the sound of the bell really carries, and 
> is much friendlier and cheerful. 
> I have always ridden unconventional bikes, but honestly I typically get 
> more compliments; here in Texas, people may smirk or make a comment to 
> their riding companion,  but they would never even think about being rude 
> to your face. I am constantly amazed by people who say "hey, nice bike" or 
> "cool bike"; occasionally I think they are being condescending,  but I play 
> along and usually find that they actually know what it is I am riding and 
> they are being sincere. ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[masmojo]

Honestly,  it's been my experience that the Freds, "roadies", mamils, etc. 
Don't need anything to make themselves look bad; when I used to race mountain 
bikes some years back, I would go for long excursions on the weekend outside of 
town.  Large groups of lycra clad roadies, would sometimes pass me & I would 
simply be amazed at their audacity and ambivalence towards cars & traffic.  
Typically,  when they passed riding 6 & 7 across thoroughly blocking 1 plus 
lane of a narrow country road, there would be 2 or 3 cars patiently driving 20 
mph behind them and would be making no attempt at all to move over & let them 
by! My thought!? No wonder motorists hate them!
Regarding bells, I have them on most of my bikes now, not so much because I 
like bells, but I found they are the most effective, non-obnoxious way to alert 
people ahead you are coming.  You can ding your bell much earlier then you 
would call (or yell) & the sound of the bell really carries, and is much 
friendlier and cheerful. 
I have always ridden unconventional bikes, but honestly I typically get more 
compliments; here in Texas, people may smirk or make a comment to their riding 
companion,  but they would never even think about being rude to your face. I am 
constantly amazed by people who say "hey, nice bike" or "cool bike"; 
occasionally I think they are being condescending,  but I play along and 
usually find that they actually know what it is I am riding and they are being 
sincere. ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Patrick Kelly]

Jumping in here pretty late...

'If you are willing to look at another person’s behavior toward you as
a reflection of the state of their relationship with themselves rather
than a statement about your value as a person, then you will, over a
period of time cease to react at all.' - Yogi Bhajan

But if you do actually want to react, :), here are some responses I'd
have at hand:

* Where do you put your tent and sleeping bag?
* How do you carry groceries on that?
* What do you do with that bike when you run out of pavement?
* Do you like looking like a skunk? (if your own bike has fenders)
* How long do you think that bike will last?
* How can you ride that thing without any suspension? (non-riv-like,
but apropos)
* What's the widest tire you can fit in there?

Riv bikes address a different set of "problems" than racy bikes. For
any kind of bike, you can easily "insult" other kinds of bikes as
failing to address the concerns your bike does address.

Photography provides an excellent metaphor for trade-offs. It's
impossible to create The Perfect Camera for All Situations, because
physics. You cannot have an all-range zoom camera with wide aperture
at all focal lengths that you can carry in your pocket. It's just not
possible. Everything in life involves trade-offs, and it's impossible
to create a thing that addresses all needs, all the time.

I just recently became a riv owner, but I've been lusting after them
for quite a while. My first bike (when I took up cycling again in
2010) was a hybrid bike. People may think that Hawaii is perfect for
cycling, but the infrastructure really is not up to grade (so to
speak). Consequently, I ride routes which are away from the cars as
much as possible. I very quickly learned that my aluminum, skinny
tired (fatter than "race" but still skinny) bike was NOT good for the
riding I was doing. I jumped in the other direction for my next bike
and got a trek 29er hardtail. This was great for riding
anywhere/everywhere but was really more than I needed, too heavy and
not suited to carrying anything, and I wasn't really doing "mountain
biking". There were a few more bikes in the stream before my current
Appaloosa, but the point is that every bike addresses some needs and
not others, and it's too easy to find fault with any bike based on the
needs addressed by another kind of bike. Riv hits the points I need
for my bike, and the riding I do, but it would be pointless for me to
tell somebody else to get one, until I really knew what kind of riding
they're going to do (which very likely is different than what kind of
riding they think they want to do).

cheerios



On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> Isn't it spring? I thought topics like this were the Winter variety. "Just
> Ride"
>
> On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 6:42:39 PM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
>>
>> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect
>> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying
>> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really
>> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!)  rode
>> up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," "that
>> thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few other
>> choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two.
>>
>> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs
>> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the right
>> bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got fed up
>> and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how best to
>> deal with people like that.
>>
>> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal
>> compared to this joker. How do you respond?
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL
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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Ron Mc]

I don't build/ride bikes for other people - except maybe my daughter.  I 
honestly don't care what they think.  Sometimes have to wonder why.  
A bit of internet searching can often provide answers: 
 
http://forums.roadbikereview.com/bikes-frames-forks/1-reason-why-you-wont-buy-rivendell-bikes-stuff-172393.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Jim Bronson]

Old enough to know better, young enough not to care ;)
On Apr 19, 2016 16:49, "IanA"  wrote:

I'd take that over the comments that I get.  My bikes are Riv-like in
set-up. My daily ride is a single-speed and I live in a valley, so hills in
every direction.  I'm 48, most of my hair is grey and I  live in
oil-country (pick-up trucks and guts) and people just can't believe a man
of my age could be riding a bicycle in normal clothes.  People surprisingly
often ask straight-out "hold old ARE you?".  I'm going to have to move
soon.  I'm fed-up with defending mankind's right to be healthy in their
prime.  I wish people would stick to denigrating my ride and leave me out
of it!

There are none so knowledgeable as those with narrow experience.

Ian A/ Alberta Canada


On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 7:42:39 PM UTC-6, Julian wrote:

> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect
> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying
> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really
> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!)
>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?,"
> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few
> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two.
>
> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs
> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the
> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got
> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how
> best to deal with people like that.
>
> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal
> compared to this joker. How do you respond?
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL
>
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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Ron Mc]

always is a really bad word, Evan.  (never, too).  I have a blast when I 
ride and exude kindness.  When I don't get it back is when it feels odd.  

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 1:11:13 PM UTC-5, Evan E. wrote:
>
> Ron said:  "Evan, we're not bad people."
>
> I agree! I like everybody on this list. And I like bike riders in general. 
> My only point is that every time I see a thread such as this one (and I've 
> seen scores of them over the years) at least one person mentions how he or 
> she dropped/passed a roadie or a Fred. The implication is that it is always 
> the "roadie" or "Fred" who was rude or smug or competitive or aggressive or 
> envious or dumb or ignorant or condescending. Are other riders sometimes 
> not nice? Yes. Do they denigrate us or our bikes? Yes. Does each case 
> require context? Of course. But my point remains: each culture (such as 
> bicyclists) tends to subdivide into subcultures, and some members -- not 
> all of them -- of these subcultures enjoy pointing fingers at the members 
> of the other subcultures who are "doing it wrong." It's human nature. No 
> big deal. I agree with Hugh: it's springtime! Here's wishing that Julian 
> and everyone else on this list has a safe season, with more kindness on the 
> roads. 
>
>  
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Evan E.]

Ron said:  "Evan, we're not bad people."

I agree! I like everybody on this list. And I like bike riders in general. 
My only point is that every time I see a thread such as this one (and I've 
seen scores of them over the years) at least one person mentions how he or 
she dropped/passed a roadie or a Fred. The implication is that it is always 
the "roadie" or "Fred" who was rude or smug or competitive or aggressive or 
envious or dumb or ignorant or condescending. Are other riders sometimes 
not nice? Yes. Do they denigrate us or our bikes? Yes. Does each case 
require context? Of course. But my point remains: each culture (such as 
bicyclists) tends to subdivide into subcultures, and some members -- not 
all of them -- of these subcultures enjoy pointing fingers at the members 
of the other subcultures who are "doing it wrong." It's human nature. No 
big deal. I agree with Hugh: it's springtime! Here's wishing that Julian 
and everyone else on this list has a safe season, with more kindness on the 
roads. 

 




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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Ron Mc]

as far as the bell thing, every bike here has a bell, for pedestrians, deer 
and squirrels (no kidding).  
Last year, my carbon-bike buddy was hit by a deer and broke his arm and 
collar bone.  
He didn't have a bell and I e-mailed him that he should.  
Deer stop dead in their tracks at the sound of a bike bell, including a 
200lb buck that was charging across my path when I was doing over 40 
downhill (had been followed by a pickup for 3 miles because we were 
exceeding the speed limit)

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Hugh Smitham]

Isn't it spring? I thought topics like this were the Winter variety. "Just 
Ride"

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 6:42:39 PM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
>
> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect 
> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying 
> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really 
> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!) 
>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," 
> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few 
> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two. 
>
> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs 
> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the 
> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got 
> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how 
> best to deal with people like that. 
>
> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

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Yeah... Every now and then I get an oddball carbon-dude chiming in about 
how heavy my Atlantis looks with is 42 mm tires and gen-hub and bar-ends 
and friction shiftin and fat tubing. One friend dubbed my bike a "Bentley." 
Frankly, yes it is. My Atlantis is comfortable to ride on my morning 
commutes to work to Bellevue from Seattle (yeah, I bus across the 520, but 
looking forward to the new bridge's bike line when it opens); rain or 
shine. Honestly, I don't see many of these characters riding in the rain or 
during the dark, morning, freezing winter mornings on the BG; They seem to 
come out in Spring. On sunny days.

Generally, I just smile and go about my way. A few years ago a colleague 
criticized my Atlantis for being too "bulky" and that his carbonish racing 
bike got him from Kenmore to SLU much faster than my old-school bike going 
from NE Seattle to SLU. I tried arguing my point with these mainstream 
dudes on a few occasions. But stopped. It's really pointless, especially 
when you realize that you're just dealing with someone's ego. Besides, 
commuting to work is not a competition. it's more like rondoneuring--you 
gotta be somewhere at a certain time. For me, I'm not fast about it. Maybe 
I average 12 miles per hour. My Atlantis gets me there in comfort. It 
tracks well down hills and through curves when going at speed. It's a 
stable bike. If I need to go fast, the bike performs. No complaints. I just 
enjoy the ride. Whereas, my carbon-fiber friend who called my bike a 
Bentley, cracked his top tube the first day he rode his new La Pierre. Yes. 
he's enamored with the Tour de France look.

A couple of months ago, I loaded my bike onto the bus, and the bus driver 
mentioned how "beautiful" my bike is. There's a lot to be said for lugged 
steal, and she said it. I get this type of comment from a few bus drivers 
now and then.

One morning as I was locking up my bike in the bike locker at work, a guy 
at the other end of the room saw my bike and mentioned that he's been 
"lusting" for a Riv. I love my Atlantis, but I've been lusting for an AHH 
for years now; just can't rationalize having two bikes that's all.

A few weeks ago, I was at a corner in downtown Bellevue waiting for the 
light to change, and a pedestrian wanted to know how many miles I had on my 
bike. I really don't know. I bought the frame new in '03, and rigged it 
with non-aero brake levers with exposed cabling for a look that I enjoy. It 
donned on me that this cat thought my bike was older than it looked. I took 
that as a compliment.

For me, aesthetics and comfort trump technology and speed. Pulling away 
from the carbon-racey-dudes and their egotistic comments speaks volumes. 
Just sayin'. 'Nough said.

-Steve DeMont
Seattle, WA

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

['Steve D.' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yeah... Every now and then I get an oddball carbon-dude chiming in about 
how heavy my Atlantis looks with is 42 mm tires and gen-hub and bar-ends 
and friction shiftin and fat tubing. One friend dubbed my bike a "Bentley." 
Frankly, yes it is. My Atlantis is comfortable to ride on my morning 
commutes to work to Bellevue from Seattle (yeah, I bus across the 520, but 
looking forward to the new bridge's bike line when it opens); rain or 
shine. Honestly, I don't see many of these characters riding in the rain or 
during the dark, morning, freezing winter mornings on the BG; They seem to 
come out in Spring. On sunny days.

Generally, I just smile and go about my way. A few years ago a colleague 
criticized my Atlantis for being too "bulky" and that his carbonish racing 
bike got him from Kenmore to SLU much faster than my old-school bike. I 
tried arguing my point on a few occasions. But stopped. It's really 
pointless, especially when you realize that you're just dealing with 
someone's ego. Besides, commuting to work is not a competition. it's more 
like rondoneuring, you gotta be somewhere at a certain time. For me, I'm 
not fast about it. Maybe I average 12 miles per hour. My Atlantis gets me 
there in comfort. It tracks well down hill and through curves when going at 
speed. It's a stable bike. If I need to go fast, the bike performs. No 
complaints. I just enjoy the ride. Whereas, my carbon fiber friend who 
dubbed my bike a Bentley, cracked his top tube the first day he rode his La 
Pierre. Yes. he's enamored with the Tour de France look.

A couple of months ago, I loaded my bike onto the bus, and the bus drive 
mention how "beautiful" my bike was. There's a lot to be said for lugged 
steal, and she said it. I get this type of comment from a few bus drivers 
now and then.

A few weeks ago, I was at a corner in downtown Bellevue waiting for the 
light to change, and a pedestrian wanted to know how many miles I had on my 
bike. I really don't know. I've bought the frame new in '03, and rigged it 
with non-aero brake levers with exposed cabling for a look that I enjoy. It 
donned on me that this cat thought my bike was older than it looked. I took 
that as a compliment.

For me, aesthetics and comfort trump technology and speed. Pulling away 
from the carbon-racey-dudes and their egotistic comments speaks volumes. 
Just sayin'. 'Nough said.

-Steve
Seattle

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Surlyprof]

I do find it a pity that bike frame composition can be viewed as a variable 
of differentiation between those who are "serious" and those who are not. 
 I've always ridden steel bikes (with the exception of one aluminum mtb). 
 I used to ride with a friend fairly regularly because we were friends 
aside from riding, approximately the same age and we rode about the same 
pace.  At the time, I rode a 2005 steel Bianchi Veloce that was a nice but 
far from extravagant road bike in which I could only manage up to 25mm 
tires (and even that was tight).  He initially rode a carbon Willier and 
then upgraded to a $9000 carbon BMC with electric shifting and top of the 
line Campy drivetrain.  Soon after I "downgraded" to my Hillborne.  He 
stopped calling me to ride.  He actually said that we obviously are 
pursuing different types of riding since I bought a "touring bike".  The 
Bianchi was pretty comfortable but was starting to become a bit of a strain 
on my neck after long rides.  I thought about keeping it for club riding 
and riding with friends who tend toward racing bikes.  I sold it because I 
never rode it anymore.

The Hillborne is by far the most comfortable, pleasurable and beautiful 
bike I've ever ridden.  I've found that with a lighter wheelset, Compass 
tires and less commuter gear, I can ride just as fast, much smoother and 
with more confidence than I could on my Bianchi.  I can also switch over to 
mixed terrain whenever I choose.  Not a possibility on the Bianchi.  So why 
keep a less comfortable road bike around just to be included in an 
occasional group ride?  I haven't actually gotten any negative comments 
about the my Sam, mostly positive remarks.  I have had people give it a 
strange look at traffic lights and then try harder to get ahead of me and 
stay ahead of me.  When I can keep up with them, they glance back a lot and 
then pedal harder.  The way I see it, in those situations, my Hillborne is 
helping improve both our riding.  And, if anyone in the bay area is up for 
a group ride, summer's coming, school is ending and I'll be up for it.

Sorry you had such a negative encounter, Julian.  I guess we just need to 
embrace the positive comments, ignore those who are that far out of line 
and enjoy the ride.

John

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 6:42:39 PM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
>
> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect 
> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying 
> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really 
> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!) 
>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," 
> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few 
> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two. 
>
> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs 
> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the 
> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got 
> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how 
> best to deal with people like that. 
>
> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Ron Mc]

It's not the engine, it's the fuel

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 8:16:20 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> hahahahahaha, 
>
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 9:02:17 AM UTC-4, Jay LePree wrote:
>>
>>
>> At the risk of repeating myself, I will share a funny story.  I have a 
>> Rivendell Rambouillet with a rear rack, fenders, lights, etc.  I use it to 
>> get back and forth to work, and depending on my route, I will encounter 
>> some small steep hills.  While riding up one of these hills, a fully kitted 
>> out guy comes behind me and rather sarcastically asks, "Nice bike, does it 
>> have a bell?"  I ring the bell and then tell him it has a horn too.  At 
>> that moment, I stand an rip a loud fart.  It kinda surprised me how loud 
>> and long it was, so I start laughing.  I am laughing so hard that it 
>> becomes contagious, and racer boy starts laughing.  We both are laughing so 
>> hard that we had to dismount and walk the bikes up the rest of the hill.
>>
>> So to answer your question, "It is not the bike, it is the engine is 
>> always a good reply."  Maybe showing him the horn is a second good reply.
>>
>> Jay LePree
>> Demarest, NJ
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Philip Kim]

hahahahahaha, 

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 9:02:17 AM UTC-4, Jay LePree wrote:
>
>
> At the risk of repeating myself, I will share a funny story.  I have a 
> Rivendell Rambouillet with a rear rack, fenders, lights, etc.  I use it to 
> get back and forth to work, and depending on my route, I will encounter 
> some small steep hills.  While riding up one of these hills, a fully kitted 
> out guy comes behind me and rather sarcastically asks, "Nice bike, does it 
> have a bell?"  I ring the bell and then tell him it has a horn too.  At 
> that moment, I stand an rip a loud fart.  It kinda surprised me how loud 
> and long it was, so I start laughing.  I am laughing so hard that it 
> becomes contagious, and racer boy starts laughing.  We both are laughing so 
> hard that we had to dismount and walk the bikes up the rest of the hill.
>
> So to answer your question, "It is not the bike, it is the engine is 
> always a good reply."  Maybe showing him the horn is a second good reply.
>
> Jay LePree
> Demarest, NJ
>

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Jay LePree]

At the risk of repeating myself, I will share a funny story.  I have a 
Rivendell Rambouillet with a rear rack, fenders, lights, etc.  I use it to 
get back and forth to work, and depending on my route, I will encounter 
some small steep hills.  While riding up one of these hills, a fully kitted 
out guy comes behind me and rather sarcastically asks, "Nice bike, does it 
have a bell?"  I ring the bell and then tell him it has a horn too.  At 
that moment, I stand an rip a loud fart.  It kinda surprised me how loud 
and long it was, so I start laughing.  I am laughing so hard that it 
becomes contagious, and racer boy starts laughing.  We both are laughing so 
hard that we had to dismount and walk the bikes up the rest of the hill.

So to answer your question, "It is not the bike, it is the engine is always 
a good reply."  Maybe showing him the horn is a second good reply.

Jay LePree
Demarest, NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Ron Mc]

could OP a thread, pleasant encounters with other riders.  We all have 
them, and some of them, too, stick out.  
Why I like my carbon bike better than my steel bike.  
Why I like lycra better than baggy canvas shorts.  
Why I like gel saddles and padded underwear, etc.  
I tried one on platform pedals and walking/riding shoes that turned into 
cage pedals and toe clips, which is how life frequently works.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Ron Mc]

Evan, we're not bad people.  We're not badmouthing your friend with the 
carbon bike (or you if you have one - knock your lights out).  Life is full 
of strange encounters, some leave us feeling mildly insulted, some stick 
out in our minds.  Every day we have weird experiences whether driving 
behind a Volvo, or showing up at the river with a '70s fiberglass fly rod 
and meeting a guy who stepped out of the LL Bean catalog.  Humor by 
definition is a healthy refocusing of anger.  Stand up comics earn a meager 
living throwing out their life examples.  Julian opened this thread with a 
curious encounter of his own.  We all have them, pedaling either direction. 
 Sometimes people's strange expressions are just their performance grimace. 
 But when their expression changes just for you, it's natural to 
internalize it and try to figure out what it's about.  

You seem to want more understanding and context, so I'll offer.  When I 
ride, it's most often for calories.  I like to pump out 50 to 100 mi / 
week.  It doesn't make me lean and racy, but lets me pretty much eat what I 
choose.  When I jump on my bike on a Sunday morning and my daughter is 
still asleep.  Up early, out and quick to be off the rural roads before the 
hungover guys get out in their pickups.  I'm going to ride 26 miles and be 
back in 2 under hours.  400' drop to the creek bottom.  2-mile hill up to 
the county park for a water and stretch break,  on the way back, so I don't 
want to ride the cliff side against the creek, so I turn up and make the 
climb to the rolling hills.  There is a good stop at the top of that climb. 
 One day leaving that stop, I encountered a group of people on road bikes. 
 To cook my daughter breakfast, I don't have time to coast down the hills, 
and it's not my goal.  So I stand to pass these people on the first descent 
(I'm on my upright, which I love for all the reasons we come here).  The 
woman in the group laughs with incredulity.  I don't know why she did that, 
but it seems like it was something along the lines of, "hey, he's not 
supposed to do that (on that junk), I'm the one who paid to look and ride 
like this."  One guy in their group broke out and chased me 2 miles to the 
next stop sign, leaving his group a half-mile behind.  That was 
competitive.  

Every one of the interactions alluded on this thread would require similar 
context for complete understanding.  It's probably better to assume the 
context does exist, and it might be better to ask about the context than to 
make broad generalizations about the people posting them.   

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 5:11:29 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Right? Wrong. Folks making observations with a narrow brush. No wide 
> generalizations except your own.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Ron Mc]

Right? Wrong. Folks making observations with a narrow brush. No wide 
generalizations except your own.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Joe Bernard]

You'll note I went with the "stand there and look at the guy like he's an 
idiot" scenario. There's no chance I'm dropping anyone on a group ride. Also no 
chance I'm going on a group ride.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Evan E.]

One day I'd love to see a thread in which no one says something to the 
effect of "Those Lycra-clad roadies stop laughing at my bike when I drop 
them without even trying."  I am definitely not criticizing anyone on this 
thread, or any bike riders in particular. I'm just observing that many of 
us riders seem to be competitive to some degree, and on threads such as 
these we find various ways to bash roadies and Freds, etc., for being rude, 
smug, competitive, slow in the head, not strong enough to hang with us on 
our lugged steel bikes. Just ride, right?  :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[kielsun]

I don't think my Sam would generally beat a carbon frame rb in a flat out 
race, but it's going to last for a really long time, and I love riding it. 
Lots of people have never seen anything like it, and I enjoy explaining the 
reasons why it's the right bike for me. If dude likes his bike and seems to 
be having a good ol' time on the ride, good for him. To each his own. I 
hope his bike makes him as happy as mine does me.

The real issue seems to be his smug attitude, and unfortunately, offering 
unsolicited advice in return won't solve much of anything. I love the idea 
of offering to swap for a while. I'm definitely giving this a shot if ever 
in the situation!

BK

On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 11:37:21 AM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> First of all, I’ve never heard anything but complimentary comments about 
> any of my Rivs.
>
> Second, I think that responding to criticism of my bike by criticizing the 
> other guy’s bike is not an appropriate response. After all, do you really 
> care what this other guy thinks about your bike? 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.campyonly.com
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>
> On Apr 19, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Geir Bentzen  > wrote:
>
> I think the best response is this...
>  
> Hey (carbon-guy) would you like to swap for an hour? 
>
> Because we know (WE KNOW) that Rivs plus 30-40 mm tires beat everything 
> out there for speed and comfort. Those carbon frames with 24 mm tires suck.
>  
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Ron Mc]

Except nobody is talking about Cat6 racers - we're discussing weekend 
roadies outfitted to look like them

On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 5:35:43 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> You've got your smug filter calibrated well, double D.  :-)
>
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 2:42:51 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>>
>> Surprised to see so many CAT 6 racers on here :p
>>
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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Bill Lindsay]

You've got your smug filter calibrated well, double D.  :-)

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> Surprised to see so many CAT 6 racers on here :p
>

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Ryan Fleming]

funny my riv road does that too

Probably some people are pissed that you can pass them on a steel bike if 
they're on a carbon wunderkind  that they spent a lot of dough on.  I'd 
look at it that way, then you won't be so offended. I've never actually 
passed someone on a CF bike...Cervelo is  super popular here and actually , 
honestly, most people do comment on my bikes and they're not rude, they're 
intrigued. However, I am a 63 year-old woman who's no threat to anyone.  I 
do find the CF bikes interesting and intriguing too; I just have no desire 
to own one .Obviously YEMV.

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 9:24:53 PM UTC-5, BSWP wrote:
>
> My '98 LongLow seems to attract people looking for mustard... 
> specifically, Grey Poupon. I have no idea why.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[IanA]

I'd take that over the comments that I get.  My bikes are Riv-like in 
set-up. My daily ride is a single-speed and I live in a valley, so hills in 
every direction.  I'm 48, most of my hair is grey and I  live in 
oil-country (pick-up trucks and guts) and people just can't believe a man 
of my age could be riding a bicycle in normal clothes.  People surprisingly 
often ask straight-out "hold old ARE you?".  I'm going to have to move 
soon.  I'm fed-up with defending mankind's right to be healthy in their 
prime.  I wish people would stick to denigrating my ride and leave me out 
of it!

There are none so knowledgeable as those with narrow experience.  

Ian A/ Alberta Canada

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 7:42:39 PM UTC-6, Julian wrote:
>
> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect 
> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying 
> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really 
> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!) 
>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," 
> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few 
> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two. 
>
> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs 
> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the 
> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got 
> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how 
> best to deal with people like that. 
>
> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Daniel D.]

Surprised to see so many CAT 6 racers on here :p

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Andy Williams]

Ye.

Andy

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 8:25:03 PM UTC-7, sameness wrote:
>
> My New Year's resolution back in '03 was to stop caring about what 
> assholes think. It's the only resolution I've ever kept.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Ron Mc]

yes, I'm always wondering why the roadies laugh when I pass them on my 
upright

On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 2:28:08 PM UTC-5, Julian wrote:
>
> Will, 
>
> I'm not really that fast/competitive either -- but in this case more so 
> than my carbon-ated inquisitor!   :) 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Julian]

Will, 

I'm not really that fast/competitive either -- but in this case more so 
than my carbon-ated inquisitor!   :) 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 1:35:33 PM UTC-5, William deRosset wrote:
>
> Dear Julian, 
>
> A tone deaf rider for sure. A response like, "Well, the proof of the bike 
> is in the riding," and a pointed change of topic would be my strategy. Or a 
> change of position in the double paceline might be in order. A gentle roll 
> off the front sounds like your response. I am just not that 
> fast/competitive these days.
>
> I get a very few comments on the club runs like yours, but if they 
> continue with the distance events, then they will figure it out. I 
> ordinarily will point positive, and answer questions straight. Sometimes 
> the interlocutor is just expressing ignorance and curiosity.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Will
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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Mike in WA]

True Freds are to be pitied, not scorned. Have a laugh with this lycra 
warrior rap (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn29DvMITu4).

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 6:42:39 PM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
>
> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect 
> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying 
> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really 
> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!) 
>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," 
> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few 
> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two. 
>
> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs 
> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the 
> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got 
> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how 
> best to deal with people like that. 
>
> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Brian Campbell]

I have taken George Carlin's advice to heart in matters like the one 
described:

"Never argue with idiots. They will only drag you down to their level and 
then beat you with experience."  (or something akin to that!)

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Ron Mc]

You can ask him how his Vivax motor is working out

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[NickBull]

That's already the best response possible ... as long as you could stay 
ahead of him for a decent interval.  If his wunderbike is so wunderful, why 
isn't he keeping up with you on it?

Alternatively, you could always tell him how much you admire his plastic 
Big Wheel bike.

On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 6:37:29 AM UTC-4, Julian wrote:
>
> Yes, I did speed off up a hill, which felt good.   :)
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
> On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 10:03:36 PM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
>>
>> Whatever, just smile and nod and keep on pedaling. Hopefully by 'rode 
>> away from him' that means you sped off in front of him, if not it doesn't 
>> even matter. I often get people commenting on my rivendell and similar 
>> bikes, i generally think they're positive but there's this weird west coast 
>> passive aggressive thing I've noticed in the 5 years that I've lived here 
>> that makes me think some are likely making fun of me. Doesn't matter either 
>> way. Just enjoying the ride. 
>>
>> On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 6:42:39 PM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
>>>
>>> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect 
>>> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying 
>>> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really 
>>> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!) 
>>>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," 
>>> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few 
>>> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two. 
>>>
>>> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs 
>>> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the 
>>> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got 
>>> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how 
>>> best to deal with people like that. 
>>>
>>> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
>>> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>>>
>>> Julian Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, IL 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Patrick Moore]

I sold it to a randonneuse in Georgia, who loves it -- a Herse but not a
"collectible" one.

I should have kept that Motobecane!

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> I should have bought that Herse ...
>
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> On Apr 19, 2016, at 9:10 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> The problem is not merely the Fred's ignorant opinions about bicycles,
> it's also his blatant rudeness, and IMO, a cheerful putdown is not at all
> out of place for such rudeness and crassness. "Cheerful." Isn't "admonish
> the foolish" a work of mercy?
>
> Once again, I have received only praise for my Rivendells and, when I
> owned that '58 Herse, the employees younger and older at the high end bike
> shop (High Desert) where I took it for repairs were all fascinated by it.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Ron Mc]

I'm lucky - have never seen one in my size

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> I should have bought that Herse ...
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Eric Norris]

I should have bought that Herse ...

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> On Apr 19, 2016, at 9:10 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> The problem is not merely the Fred's ignorant opinions about bicycles, it's 
> also his blatant rudeness, and IMO, a cheerful putdown is not at all out of 
> place for such rudeness and crassness. "Cheerful." Isn't "admonish the 
> foolish" a work of mercy?
> 
> Once again, I have received only praise for my Rivendells and, when I owned 
> that '58 Herse, the employees younger and older at the high end bike shop 
> (High Desert) where I took it for repairs were all fascinated by it.
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Patrick Moore]

The problem is not merely the Fred's ignorant opinions about bicycles, it's
also his blatant rudeness, and IMO, a cheerful putdown is not at all out of
place for such rudeness and crassness. "Cheerful." Isn't "admonish the
foolish" a work of mercy?

Once again, I have received only praise for my Rivendells and, when I owned
that '58 Herse, the employees younger and older at the high end bike shop
(High Desert) where I took it for repairs were all fascinated by it.

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Steven Butcher]

My inclination is to thank the individual for his or her concern then allow 
them to blissfully continue in their ignorance.  

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 8:42:39 PM UTC-5, Julian wrote:
>
> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect 
> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying 
> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really 
> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!) 
>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," 
> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few 
> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two. 
>
> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs 
> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the 
> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got 
> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how 
> best to deal with people like that. 
>
> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[ChrisB]

Hi Julian
On the occasions that I took my AHH into a bike shop here in the UK the 
staff were always really impressed and told me what a lovely bike they 
thought it was. Often the owners (who, admittedly, were older) made a point 
of coming out to talk to me about it. To me these are the knowledgeable 
folks who know bikes and their genuine admiration made me feel good about 
my choice and their shop. In a similar vein to others, the AHH was, by a 
long shot, the bike that got the most admiration from people (family, 
friends and total strangers). My wife even had me bring it into the studio 
once when we had a family portrait done! Viva la difference!
Chris

On Tuesday, 19 April 2016 02:42:39 UTC+1, Julian wrote:

> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect 
> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying 
> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really 
> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!) 
>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," 
> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few 
> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two. 
>
> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs 
> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the 
> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got 
> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how 
> best to deal with people like that. 
>
> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Ron Mc]

Eric is right, all discourse is good and it's healthy to keep it positive.  

On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 10:37:21 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> First of all, I’ve never heard anything but complimentary comments about 
> any of my Rivs.
>
> Second, I think that responding to criticism of my bike by criticizing the 
> other guy’s bike is not an appropriate response. After all, do you really 
> care what this other guy thinks about your bike? 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Eric Norris]

First of all, I’ve never heard anything but complimentary comments about any of 
my Rivs.

Second, I think that responding to criticism of my bike by criticizing the 
other guy’s bike is not an appropriate response. After all, do you really care 
what this other guy thinks about your bike? 

--Eric Norris
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> On Apr 19, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Geir Bentzen  wrote:
> 
> I think the best response is this...
>  
> Hey (carbon-guy) would you like to swap for an hour? 
> 
> Because we know (WE KNOW) that Rivs plus 30-40 mm tires beat everything out 
> there for speed and comfort. Those carbon frames with 24 mm tires suck. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Geir Bentzen]

I think we should remember the positive. I have received lots of 'cool
bike' type of comments to my Hunqapillar. I also teach a safety course
called Group Riding Skills. The Hunqapillar is in front of the room as the
demonstration bike and I use it for the outside part to teach the riders
avoidance skills, braking and close proximity riding. Never a single
negative comment.

On Tuesday, April 19, 2016, Will  wrote:

> I think the best response is this...
>
> Hey (carbon-guy) would you like to swap for an hour?
>
> Because we know (WE KNOW) that Rivs plus 30-40 mm tires beat everything
> out there for speed and comfort. Those carbon frames with 24 mm tires suck.
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 8:42:39 PM UTC-5, Julian wrote:
>>
>> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect
>> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying
>> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really
>> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!)
>>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?,"
>> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few
>> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two.
>>
>> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs
>> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the
>> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got
>> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how
>> best to deal with people like that.
>>
>> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal
>> compared to this joker. How do you respond?
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL
>>
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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Will]

I think the best response is this...
 
Hey (carbon-guy) would you like to swap for an hour? 

Because we know (WE KNOW) that Rivs plus 30-40 mm tires beat everything out 
there for speed and comfort. Those carbon frames with 24 mm tires suck. 



On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 8:42:39 PM UTC-5, Julian wrote:
>
> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect 
> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying 
> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really 
> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!) 
>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," 
> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few 
> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two. 
>
> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs 
> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the 
> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got 
> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how 
> best to deal with people like that. 
>
> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Kurt Manley]

Just pull a deli sandwich, a tall can of beer, and a cup of coffee out of 
your shopsack while riding and commence feasting. Offer him a gu 
packet...

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 6:42:39 PM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
>
> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect 
> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying 
> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really 
> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!) 
>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," 
> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few 
> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two. 
>
> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs 
> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the 
> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got 
> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how 
> best to deal with people like that. 
>
> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Geir Bentzen]

Here in Texas they put sensors in the street at traffic lights. A steel 
bike gets you a green light. Carbon fiber lets you stand there. Enjoy what 
you have!

Geir

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 8:42:39 PM UTC-5, Julian wrote:
>
> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect 
> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying 
> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really 
> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!) 
>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," 
> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few 
> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two. 
>
> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs 
> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the 
> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got 
> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how 
> best to deal with people like that. 
>
> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 8:42:39 PM UTC-5, Julian wrote:
>
> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect 
> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying 
> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really 
> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!) 
>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," 
> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few 
> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two. 
>
> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs 
> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the 
> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got 
> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how 
> best to deal with people like that. 
>
> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 8:42:39 PM UTC-5, Julian wrote:
>
> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect 
> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying 
> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really 
> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!) 
>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," 
> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few 
> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two. 
>
> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs 
> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the 
> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got 
> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how 
> best to deal with people like that. 
>
> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Tim Gavin]

I don't go on club rides.  They don't ride where or how I like to ride.  My
"club" rides gravel and b-roads.

The "roadie attitude" is another reason I stay away from club rides.

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Preston Smith 
wrote:

> I get that sorta thing  ALL the time, and I get a kick out of it! Being a
> fairly young rider, (25 years old) older roadies chat me up all the time,
> most of these guys are great and are familiar with Rivendell...but not all
> of em are fun to talk to. The latter commenting/asking "how old is that
> thing?" "How much does it weigh?" "You expecting rain with those fenders?"
> and of course  "your making us look bad!" I hear that one all the time. I
> usually think to myself "your doing a fine job on your own". I think most
> of these guys just don't get it. They've been told by peers that they need
> a race bikes to keep up or to have fun or whatever, and when they see you,
> it's mind melting. They can't help but say something dumb. I wouldn't take
> these comments to seriously. Engage with them when you wanna talk, and
> laugh em off when you don't.
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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Preston Smith]

I get that sorta thing  ALL the time, and I get a kick out of it! Being a 
fairly young rider, (25 years old) older roadies chat me up all the time, most 
of these guys are great and are familiar with Rivendell...but not all of em are 
fun to talk to. The latter commenting/asking "how old is that thing?" "How much 
does it weigh?" "You expecting rain with those fenders?" and of course  "your 
making us look bad!" I hear that one all the time. I usually think to myself 
"your doing a fine job on your own". I think most of these guys just don't get 
it. They've been told by peers that they need a race bikes to keep up or to 
have fun or whatever, and when they see you, it's mind melting. They can't help 
but say something dumb. I wouldn't take these comments to seriously. Engage 
with them when you wanna talk, and laugh em off when you don't.

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Deacon Patrick]

How do you tell them apart? Moron is a subset of fool.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 10:21:04 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I'll put some effort into suffering fools gladly. Morons get no such 
> grace. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 When I visit my mother on the Jersey Shore, where I've been riding with 
the Atlantic Bicycle Club since Lemond won the tour, I am generally the  
only rider on steel. One day I showed up with my Ron Kitching, which 
admittedly has a decent amount of beausage. The club president greeted me 
with "Where did you get that P-O-S?" More or less in a joking spirit.

As for your encounter, it does sound annoying. But I would not judge quite 
so harshly. This person is probably a bit socially inept. I would try one 
of two strategies. First, a bit of humor. "I wanted a Trek Madone, but they 
don't come in orange, so the sales person recommended this bike." "Yes, I 
would love a Calfee. Sadly, I am highly allergic to carbon fibers and break 
out in awful hives. Oops, you're getting a little too close there!" If this 
does not quell his desire to dispense free commentary, try deflecting the 
attention back to him: "Enough about me. How much does your bike weigh? 
Wow! How much with you on it?" "Hey, cool jersey. I just love the way it 
follows every contour of your bod. Sex-ay!" As a last resort, If he still 
won't leave you alone, try the Mafia Guy on Trial Insanity move:"I have to 
ride steel. The reception when the space lizards contact me is so much 
better." If that doesn't get rid of him, you've found a riding partner for 
life! 

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 9:42:39 PM UTC-4, Julian wrote:
>
> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect 
> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying 
> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really 
> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!) 
>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," 
> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few 
> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two. 
>
> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs 
> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the 
> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got 
> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how 
> best to deal with people like that. 
>
> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Ron Mc]

and if all else fails and the need to retort prevails, there's always the 
Bullwinkle show  http://bullwinkle.toonzone.net/knowall.wav

On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 6:28:33 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Michael, that still defines a control freak.  For me, it wouldn't be worth 
> a retort, maybe just a grin.  Getting into bike conversations is always 
> part of the fun, and it's fair to expect it to work both ways.  Again, I 
> would give an ear to the guy and if he didn't have an ear for me, just keep 
> pedaling.  
>
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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Ron Mc]

Michael, that still defines a control freak.  For me, it wouldn't be worth 
a retort, maybe just a grin.  Getting into bike conversations is always 
part of the fun, and it's fair to expect it to work both ways.  Again, I 
would give an ear to the guy and if he didn't have an ear for me, just keep 
pedaling.  

On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 5:29:23 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I suspect it's more about reassuring himself than actually trying to 
> control you.  How about, "Thank you for sharing, but your opinions are none 
> of my business."
> Michael
>
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 6:18:56 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> Offering unsolicited advice is the definition of a control freak
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Julian]

Thanks to all -- not really that big of a deal, just annoying. 

It is true that most comments I get are positive. 

We'll have to see if he continues to show up on rides, and if he's had his 
fill of being obnoxious with me. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Julian]

Yes, I did speed off up a hill, which felt good.   :)

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 10:03:36 PM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
>
> Whatever, just smile and nod and keep on pedaling. Hopefully by 'rode away 
> from him' that means you sped off in front of him, if not it doesn't even 
> matter. I often get people commenting on my rivendell and similar bikes, i 
> generally think they're positive but there's this weird west coast passive 
> aggressive thing I've noticed in the 5 years that I've lived here that 
> makes me think some are likely making fun of me. Doesn't matter either way. 
> Just enjoying the ride. 
>
> On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 6:42:39 PM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
>>
>> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect 
>> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying 
>> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really 
>> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!) 
>>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," 
>> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few 
>> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two. 
>>
>> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs 
>> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the 
>> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got 
>> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how 
>> best to deal with people like that. 
>>
>> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
>> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Michael Hechmer]

I suspect it's more about reassuring himself than actually trying to 
control you.  How about, "Thank you for sharing, but your opinions are none 
of my business."
Michael

On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 6:18:56 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Offering unsolicited advice is the definition of a control freak

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[sameness]

My New Year's resolution back in '03 was to stop caring about what assholes 
think. It's the only resolution I've ever kept.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[dstein]

Whatever, just smile and nod and keep on pedaling. Hopefully by 'rode away 
from him' that means you sped off in front of him, if not it doesn't even 
matter. I often get people commenting on my rivendell and similar bikes, i 
generally think they're positive but there's this weird west coast passive 
aggressive thing I've noticed in the 5 years that I've lived here that 
makes me think some are likely making fun of me. Doesn't matter either way. 
Just enjoying the ride. 

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 6:42:39 PM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
>
> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect 
> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying 
> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really 
> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!) 
>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," 
> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few 
> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two. 
>
> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs 
> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the 
> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got 
> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how 
> best to deal with people like that. 
>
> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Don Compton]

Julian,
Don't take stuff like that too seriously. I used to hear that crap and the 
assh$#les would get real quiet when I passed them up  a hill. At 64 and a 
bad back, I stay away from long, hilly rides, but I still ride my Riv. Rivs 
are not racing bikes, but they are bikes for those of us that love to ride 
and enjoy our own pace. 
In the scheme of things, we've got these morons beat in riding pleasure and 
satisfaction. We win.

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 6:42:39 PM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
>
> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect 
> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying 
> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really 
> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!) 
>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," 
> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few 
> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two. 
>
> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs 
> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the 
> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got 
> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how 
> best to deal with people like that. 
>
> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[BSWP]

My '98 LongLow seems to attract people looking for mustard... specifically, 
Grey Poupon. I have no idea why.

- Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Deacon Patrick]

Breath is wasted on ignorant arrogance like that. Ignore him.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 7:42:39 PM UTC-6, Julian wrote:
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>
> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>

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