[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[John Phillips]

Hi Bob,
Amen! I can never understand why Schwalbe doesn't try for greater 
clarity on their webpages.

I found I could search for answers on the Schwalbe website by using 
Google. For instance, if I searched Google for "What is Schwalbe v-guard?" 
and clicked on the result linked to a Schwalbe webpage. Using the Schwalbe 
website's search function or tables of pages got me nowhere.

I should dig my pair of Mondials out of the closet and ride them until the 
new tires arrive just so I'm not mentally comparing the ride to the current 
55mm Compass tires.

Thanks,
John

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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I keep seeing this tread topic and thinking, no, the Supremes didn’t sing “I 
second that Almotion.” Shrug. Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Thanks John,

It is both a little frustrating and even kind of funny how hard it can be 
to figure out all of the variations, in the models and sub-models, in the 
"market speak" labels, etc.  I do truly like Schwalble tires and, 
considering how long I have used them, it seems I should know more!  But 
every time I look at their site, it is like it's the first time except for 
maybe the basic models that have lasted.  I do love the options and the 
improvements!  Still, a flowchart or history or better summaries would be 
helpful.

Let us know if the new tires arrive and perform as expected!  I use 
Supreme's on one city/errand/touring bike but am considering Almotion's for 
a more dedicated tourer.  I will say I went with 700x50(?) Mondials one 
time (still have them) and they seemed really heavy for anything other than 
true outback touring.  I can see where Schwalbe might be trying to provide 
lighter weight options within the model lines.

Thanks for the help and the info,

Bob


On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 1:44:27 PM UTC-6, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Hi Bob,
> I meant the V-Guard tires vs the MicroSkin TL-Easy tires. 
>
> Maybe I was wrong, maybe the V-Guard tires are tubeless compatible. 
> You're right, the general description of the Almotion says:
>
> "Now all sizes of Marathon Almotion are equipped for tubeless operation. 
> The patented Microskin construction tires are also significantly lighter. 
> the tire is for tubeless compatible." 
>
> But the V-Guard tires are a new listing on this page, and since the 
> V-Guard 50-622 tires are listed as 135 grams lighter, and not listed as 
> TL-Easy, I assumed they were the updated version of the Almotion clincher 
> Schwalbe used to list as simply "Dynamic Casing" and that Schwalbe was in 
> the process of updating this web page.
>
> On the Marathon Supreme web page, the text says, "Maximum comfort and 
> speed are achieved in its Tubeless Easy version..." And the non-TL Easy" 
> Supremes have V-Guard.
>
> On this page TL-Easy compared to V-Guard and other flat protection:
> https://www.schwalbetires.com/BENCHMARK-OF-PUNCTURE-PROTECTION
>
> I guess I will have to just see what's what when the tires get here.
>
> John
>
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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[John Phillips]

Hi Bob,
I meant the V-Guard tires vs the MicroSkin TL-Easy tires. 

Maybe I was wrong, maybe the V-Guard tires are tubeless compatible. 
You're right, the general description of the Almotion says:

"Now all sizes of Marathon Almotion are equipped for tubeless operation. 
The patented Microskin construction tires are also significantly lighter. 
the tire is for tubeless compatible." 

But the V-Guard tires are a new listing on this page, and since the V-Guard 
50-622 tires are listed as 135 grams lighter, and not listed as TL-Easy, I 
assumed they were the updated version of the Almotion clincher Schwalbe 
used to list as simply "Dynamic Casing" and that Schwalbe was in the 
process of updating this web page.

On the Marathon Supreme web page, the text says, "Maximum comfort and speed 
are achieved in its Tubeless Easy version..." And the non-TL Easy" Supremes 
have V-Guard.

On this page TL-Easy compared to V-Guard and other flat protection:
https://www.schwalbetires.com/BENCHMARK-OF-PUNCTURE-PROTECTION

I guess I will have to just see what's what when the tires get here.

John

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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi John,

Do you have or can you point me to more information on the non-tubeless 
Almotions you ordered?  I am looking at the Schwalbe site now but it seems 
to imply all of the Almotions are tubeless compatible.  I have no need for 
tubeless, at least on my current wheels, and the tubeless tires seem to be 
a bit harder to mount.  I don't mind that at home but on the road could be 
different.

Thanks for any help,

Bob 


On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 11:33:10 AM UTC-6, John Phillips wrote:
>
>...
> I ordered a set of the Marathon Supremes and a set of the new 
> clincher, non-tubeless Marathon Almotions from Germany for about $43 a tire 
> with shipping. 
>
... 

>
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[Cody Bartz]

I too was curious about the Almotions. Post your findings if you find 
anything out. 

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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[John Phillips]

   Thanks Chris, I'll add the Maxxis Torch to list of possible choices as 
well, with a note about the cornering.  

   Thank you everyone for all your recommendations. 

I ordered a set of the Marathon Supremes and a set of the new clincher, 
non-tubeless Marathon Almotions from Germany for about $43 a tire with 
shipping. I carry an extra tube & tire on grocery runs, so if I get a 
puncture, I can just pop on a tube & tire and fix the puncture after I get 
the groceries in the fridge. 

Fingers crossed, I won't be fixing flats for awhile!

Thanks,

John

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[Ed Fausto]

Hi John,

I have the same experience as  dougP using Schwalbe Supreme 26 x 1.6” in my 
Atlantis during my 4 months TransAm tour in 2016.
Only 1 flat each for front and rear tire.
I would use the same tire in my next tour.

Edgar

> On 6 Nov 2018, at 12:34 PM, jack loudon  wrote:
> 
> John, I've never tried the Allmotions but (like others) have had very good 
> luck with Supremes.  First set 700-50's went close to 10,000 mi with no 
> flats; I did nothing but add air occasionally. I finally retired them because 
> of a sidewall slice that didn't go through, but was nonetheless worrying.  
> The current set of 700-40's have fairly low miles but also no flats. Like 
> you, I live in an area with tire wires, glass, and other debris.  Some have 
> said the Supreme is dead-feeling, and that be correct, depending on the tire 
> it's compared to, but I think they feel fine for a substantial belted tire.  
> However, in acknowledging my biases, I seem to be less sensitive than others 
> to (and therefore less smitten by) the supple Cadillac ride of Compass and 
> similar tires.
> 
> Like you, I've also had compass tires (3 sets so far) and the frequency of 
> flats has become unacceptable to me, in spite of their other qualities.  
> Also, the tread lasts about half as long as the Supremes, but Compass is a 
> completely different tire with a different purpose.   I'm not giving up on 
> Compass, but in the future will only get the ones that are tubeless 
> compatible, and set them up tubeless.
> 
> Jack
> Seattle
> 
> 
> 
>> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 3:20:33 PM UTC-8, John Phillips wrote:
>> Thanks Jon,  I had forgotten about those, I'll add the Soma Shikoros to my 
>> possibles list.
>> 
>> John
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[jack loudon]

John, I've never tried the Allmotions but (like others) have had very good 
luck with Supremes.  First set 700-50's went close to 10,000 mi with no 
flats; I did nothing but add air occasionally. I finally retired them 
because of a sidewall slice that didn't go through, but was nonetheless 
worrying.  The current set of 700-40's have fairly low miles but also no 
flats. Like you, I live in an area with tire wires, glass, and other 
debris.  Some have said the Supreme is dead-feeling, and that be correct, 
depending on the tire it's compared to, but I think they feel fine for a 
substantial belted tire.  However, in acknowledging my biases, I seem to be 
less sensitive than others to (and therefore less smitten by) the supple 
Cadillac ride of Compass and similar tires.

Like you, I've also had compass tires (3 sets so far) and the frequency of 
flats has become unacceptable to me, in spite of their other qualities.  
Also, the tread lasts about half as long as the Supremes, but Compass is a 
completely different tire with a different purpose.   I'm not giving up on 
Compass, but in the future will only get the ones that are tubeless 
compatible, and set them up tubeless.

Jack
Seattle



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> Thanks Jon,  I had forgotten about those, I'll add the Soma Shikoros to my 
> possibles list.
>
> John
>
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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[John Phillips]

Thanks Jon,  I had forgotten about those, I'll add the Soma Shikoros to my 
possibles list.

John

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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[Jon BALER]

My wife and I have used Supremes on touring bikes for the last few years, 
and both have good resistance to punctures.  She has 700x35, and I have the 
700x40.

I have had 700x38 Soma Shikoro on my commuting bike, and had good luck with 
them and they roll nice.  They have a 700x50 version too.  For low mileage 
errand running, I think this tire would be good balance of flat resistance 
and rolling resistance.

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 4:36:28 PM UTC-5, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Hi Garth, I'm running my Antelope Pass 55mm tires about 25 psi in the 
> front and about 35 psi in the back. My Hunqapillar weighs about 32(?) lbs & 
> I weigh about 240 lbs, but usually keep my groceries to 10 lbs or less per 
> run.
>
> John
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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[John Phillips]

Hi Garth, I'm running my Antelope Pass 55mm tires about 25 psi in the front 
and about 35 psi in the back. My Hunqapillar weighs about 32(?) lbs & I 
weigh about 240 lbs, but usually keep my groceries to 10 lbs or less per 
run.

John

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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[Garth]

   John, Flats are @ what PSI ?

You may simply need to lower the pressure. I run 40mm Vittoria Hypers @ 
33-40 psi and they have been flat free over 3 pairs. 



On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 11:30:45 AM UTC-5, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Been getting too many flats lately, perhaps due to all the 
> construction in my neighborhood, so I'm trying to decide which touring tire 
> to try out in the 50-55mm range. Has anyone compared the Schwalbe Marathon 
> Almotion to the Marathon Supreme?
>
> I'm hoping for a tire to get me home from the store with my wife's mochi 
> ice cream intact without having to go as far as Mondials or the Marathon 
> pluses.
>
> Thnx,
> John
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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[John Phillips]

Thanks Doug, The supremes sound really good.

 Checking the Schwalbe site again, I see for 2019, Schwalbe will be 
offering lighter clincher versions of the Marathon Almotion in 50-622 & 
55-622 sizes once again, along with the heavier tubeless versions in the 
same sizes. 

So maybe I should order Supremes for now and wait to see what people say 
about the new non-tubeless Almotions? More to think about...

John

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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[dougP]

John:

I've used the Supremes for 10 years now & like them a lot.  Punctures are 
rare in my suburban environment & I've also taken them off road without 
issues.  They will definitely be more flat resistant than the Compass.  No 
experience with the All Motion.  I doubt you need to go full Mondial or 
Tour Plus.  I've also used Mondials and they are heavier than Supremes so 
likely more flat resistant.  I average 1 flat per year with Supremes in 
about 3k of riding.  The high water mark was a 40 mm front Supreme that 
went 11k with zero flats.  It still had some life left but I thought it had 
earned its keep.  

dougP

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 10:26:40 AM UTC-8, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Patrick, my flats are caused by broken glass, wires and urban construction 
> debris rather than goat heads. 
>
> I've been trying to run my errands on Compass tires, but I really can't 
> afford the time it takes to fix a flat when my wife's ice cream is on 
> board. So I'm trying to find the "most supple," "flat-resistant" touring 
> tire I can find in 50-55mm. Or am I asking for too much from a tire?
>
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[John Phillips]

Thanks Patrick, the Big Apples certainly sound like another option to 
consider.

John

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[Patrick Moore]

Got it. Still, the Apples may be an option; it's just that for flats other
than by goathead, I get perhaps 1 every year (I think Jan has the same
experience in Seattle or wherever he is) so I can't really speak to that
sort of puncture (and I'm glad of that; our goatheads are certainly bad
enough.

I certainly wouldn't use Compass tires where nails and wire and glass were
common. Compass tires and similar thin-skin tires work for me with
goatheads only because of modern sealants, but these are notorious for
being less effective for larger punctures.

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 11:26 AM John Phillips  wrote:

> Patrick, my flats are caused by broken glass, wires and urban construction
> debris rather than goat heads.
>
> I've been trying to run my errands on Compass tires, but I really can't
> afford the time it takes to fix a flat when my wife's ice cream is on
> board. So I'm trying to find the "most supple," "flat-resistant" touring
> tire I can find in 50-55mm. Or am I asking for too much from a tire?
>
> John
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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[Ash]

I don't have a comparison between them, but I'm running Almotion 650Bx2.0 
on my Joe A.  I've switched between those and WTB Horizon's.  Cumulative I 
have over 1k miles on Almotions.  No flats so far.  Ride is very smooth and 
supple.I have them mounted on Velocity Atlas rims.  



On Monday, 5 November 2018 08:30:45 UTC-8, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Been getting too many flats lately, perhaps due to all the 
> construction in my neighborhood, so I'm trying to decide which touring tire 
> to try out in the 50-55mm range. Has anyone compared the Schwalbe Marathon 
> Almotion to the Marathon Supreme?
>
> I'm hoping for a tire to get me home from the store with my wife's mochi 
> ice cream intact without having to go as far as Mondials or the Marathon 
> pluses.
>
> Thnx,
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[John Phillips]

Patrick, my flats are caused by broken glass, wires and urban construction 
debris rather than goat heads. 

I've been trying to run my errands on Compass tires, but I really can't 
afford the time it takes to fix a flat when my wife's ice cream is on 
board. So I'm trying to find the "most supple," "flat-resistant" touring 
tire I can find in 50-55mm. Or am I asking for too much from a tire?

John

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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[Irving]

I'm curious to hear any real world experiences as well. Found some sciency 
data here 

 
and my interpretation is that the Almotion's are a little more puncture 
resistant than the Supreme's.

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