[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Fred Craven]

In today's lightweight-breakable-plastic world it's easy for people to 
forget how light steel can be. Sure, Rivendell bicycles often weigh more, 
but they are built to last, and have more stuff attached to them. Back in 
the day...(OK, circa 1986) 20 pound steel bikes were available, and 22 
pound bikes were readily available, *and* weights always *included* pedals 
and seats.

When my custom arrived from Joel (I bought it used from him) I weighed it 
without any of it's livery, just the bike with everything needed for 
riding...22 lbs for a 56cm. Once loaded and with some heavier tires it's a 
bit more, that's true.

My question is, "How much would all these other bike weigh with racks, 
water bottles, a pump, tools, a bag or two, a change of cloths?"

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Fred Craven]

WOW that looks familiar, That wouldn't happen to be that which they call 
"Joel Green," would it?

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[lum gim fong]

650x42B are what I consider max size with fenders on my 54 blue Rambouillet.  
Plenty of clearance. 

Even without fenders I would not go any bigger though because with 42 the 
clearance is fine with the chainsatays but I wouldn't want to get any closer to 
the stays.

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I'd be happy to get mine under 30

On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 1:45:49 AM UTC+3, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> With 10+ gears, that is...
>
> What components are on it?
> Just curious to see.
> Thinking of dropping weight for my component replacements.
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Christopher Cote]

How's the clearance with 38mm tires?

Chris


On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 5:03:19 PM UTC-4, Bill in Roswell GA wrote:
>
> Rebuilding a Riv Rambouillet in orange to make it a lively sport touring 
> bike. Current config w Nitto M13 front rack is 23.5 lbs on bathroom scales. 
> Once I finish it out will weigh it on Park bike shop scales. 
>
> Nitto road bars & Pearl stem
> Generic bar tape that came on bike
> Ultegra headset threaded
> Suntour XC 2-bolt seatpost 
> Cane Creek brake levers
> Shimano 10 speed bar ends (right indexed)
> Ultegra chain
> Ultegra 12-30 cassette 10 speed
> Sugino Alpina triple crank & rings for 10 speed
> IRD/Tange cartridge bottom bracket
> Shimano CX70 front der
> XTR M952 rear der
> Chris King R45 hubs (silver), DT double butted spokes (silver), HED 
> Belgium rims (black)
> Deore XT QRs (silver)
> QBP standard inner tubes
> Soma Supple Vitesse 700x38 tires
> Berthoud saddle - about same weight as B17 (may change to Cambium) 
> King Cage Iris bottle cages (2)
> SR platform pedals for time being 
>
> Cheers,
> Bill in Roswell, GA
>
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 6:45:49 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> With 10+ gears, that is...
>>
>> What components are on it?
>> Just curious to see.
>> Thinking of dropping weight for my component replacements.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[RichS]

Bill, your orange Ram sounds perfect. Looking forward to seeing it in the 
"flesh". Thanks for the detailed description too.

Best,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[lum gim fong]

Some high end stuff in there!!

I have a blue 54.

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Tektro R556 brakes

On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 5:03:19 PM UTC-4, Bill in Roswell GA wrote:
>
> Rebuilding a Riv Rambouillet in orange to make it a lively sport touring 
> bike. Current config w Nitto M13 front rack is 23.5 lbs on bathroom scales. 
> Once I finish it out will weigh it on Park bike shop scales. 
>
> Nitto road bars & Pearl stem
> Generic bar tape that came on bike
> Ultegra headset threaded
> Suntour XC 2-bolt seatpost 
> Cane Creek brake levers
> Shimano 10 speed bar ends (right indexed)
> Ultegra chain
> Ultegra 12-30 cassette 10 speed
> Sugino Alpina triple crank & rings for 10 speed
> IRD/Tange cartridge bottom bracket
> Shimano CX70 front der
> XTR M952 rear der
> Chris King R45 hubs (silver), DT double butted spokes (silver), HED 
> Belgium rims (black)
> Deore XT QRs (silver)
> QBP standard inner tubes
> Soma Supple Vitesse 700x38 tires
> Berthoud saddle - about same weight as B17 (may change to Cambium) 
> King Cage Iris bottle cages (2)
> SR platform pedals for time being 
>
> Cheers,
> Bill in Roswell, GA
>
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 6:45:49 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> With 10+ gears, that is...
>>
>> What components are on it?
>> Just curious to see.
>> Thinking of dropping weight for my component replacements.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Frame size is 54

On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 5:03:19 PM UTC-4, Bill in Roswell GA wrote:
>
> Rebuilding a Riv Rambouillet in orange to make it a lively sport touring 
> bike. Current config w Nitto M13 front rack is 23.5 lbs on bathroom scales. 
> Once I finish it out will weigh it on Park bike shop scales. 
>
> Nitto road bars & Pearl stem
> Generic bar tape that came on bike
> Ultegra headset threaded
> Suntour XC 2-bolt seatpost 
> Cane Creek brake levers
> Shimano 10 speed bar ends (right indexed)
> Ultegra chain
> Ultegra 12-30 cassette 10 speed
> Sugino Alpina triple crank & rings for 10 speed
> IRD/Tange cartridge bottom bracket
> Shimano CX70 front der
> XTR M952 rear der
> Chris King R45 hubs (silver), DT double butted spokes (silver), HED 
> Belgium rims (black)
> Deore XT QRs (silver)
> QBP standard inner tubes
> Soma Supple Vitesse 700x38 tires
> Berthoud saddle - about same weight as B17 (may change to Cambium) 
> King Cage Iris bottle cages (2)
> SR platform pedals for time being 
>
> Cheers,
> Bill in Roswell, GA
>
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 6:45:49 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> With 10+ gears, that is...
>>
>> What components are on it?
>> Just curious to see.
>> Thinking of dropping weight for my component replacements.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Rebuilding a Riv Rambouillet in orange to make it a lively sport touring 
bike. Current config w Nitto M13 front rack is 23.5 lbs on bathroom scales. 
Once I finish it out will weigh it on Park bike shop scales. 

Nitto road bars & Pearl stem
Generic bar tape that came on bike
Ultegra headset threaded
Suntour XC 2-bolt seatpost 
Cane Creek brake levers
Shimano 10 speed bar ends (right indexed)
Ultegra chain
Ultegra 12-30 cassette 10 speed
Sugino Alpina triple crank & rings for 10 speed
IRD/Tange cartridge bottom bracket
Shimano CX70 front der
XTR M952 rear der
Chris King R45 hubs (silver), DT double butted spokes (silver), HED Belgium 
rims (black)
Deore XT QRs (silver)
QBP standard inner tubes
Soma Supple Vitesse 700x38 tires
Berthoud saddle - about same weight as B17 (may change to Cambium) 
King Cage Iris bottle cages (2)
SR platform pedals for time being 

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell, GA


On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 6:45:49 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> With 10+ gears, that is...
>
> What components are on it?
> Just curious to see.
> Thinking of dropping weight for my component replacements.
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Kieran J]

My 68cm Ram is 25lb right on the dot! Shimergo drivetrain, Compass tires, 
Titanico boat-anchor saddle and Nitto stuff. That also includes two small 
canvas bags.
Not bad for such a lanky beast.

KJ


On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 6:45:49 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
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> With 10+ gears, that is...
>
> What components are on it?
> Just curious to see.
> Thinking of dropping weight for my component replacements.
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Call Me Jay]

I love this bike!  I have a second hand custom that's set up similar---less Ti 
and no fenders. No scale here but I'd imagine mine is sub 25, too.  My Legolas 
is also built up with Record 10 and has to well under 25 as well.

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

My ~56cm Rivendell custom came to a little under 25 pounds, ready-to-ride. 
That means that weight includes a mini pump, tubes+small tools, a small bag 
to hold 'em all, and pedals ("official" bike weights often omit that!) 
Because I built it to be a randonneur-type ride, the weight even includes a 
Schmidt SON dynamo light+hub, fenders, and a small front rack.

Some highlights for you to consider:

   - Full Campagnolo Record 10-speed with lots of carbon, although no Ti 
   cassette
   - Titanium bits like the Record seatpost, Ibis quill stem, rails on the 
   B17, and some less-critical bolts
   - 32/36 spoked wheels with lightweight rims manufactured from Nb-Al 
   alloy and DT Revolution spokes; brass nipples though
   - Lightweight Challenge PR tires with lightweight Schwalbe SV-18 tubes
   - Super-exclusive Nitto "Soba" handlebar :)

There's nothing that I will cringe at, safety or performance-wise, but 
*some* (bike nerd) effort and monies were spent making it lighter where 
applicable during the spec+build, although not after to achieve a specific 
weight goal, because there wasn't one.




Sadly, I wish I ride this bike more. I'm mostly on my 30+ pound Atlantis 
nowadays.

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[lum gim fong]

One thing I would not change is my Flyer saddles. They are worth their weight 
in gold. Maybe if they came out with a sprung Cambium. But I have to have my 
sprung saddles.

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Christopher Murray]

“Strong, light, cheap, pick two” 
-Keith Bontrager

True then, true now.

Chris

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[ted]

Yep, long as the dent it will put in your finances doesn't matter, and you keep 
in mind that lighter often equals less durable.
Have at it.

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[lum gim fong]

Welp...I don't know if putting lighter components on will make any diff at 
all.
But might as well put on lighter stuff as long as I keep my desired 
functional features.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Patrick Moore]

I like this:

and the blogosphere gives me a chance to share my interior
monologue with virtual rather than imaginary friends.

You certainly inflate your tires *hard!*

Patrick Moore, 175, riding 22s at 80/90, 29s at 50-55/60, 51s at
23-4/27-28, in ABQ, NM

On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Marc Irwin  wrote:

> How much difference will it make really?  I recently tried to figure that
> out.
> 
>
> Marc
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 6:45:49 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> With 10+ gears, that is...
>>
>> What components are on it?
>> Just curious to see.
>> Thinking of dropping weight for my component replacements.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Marc Irwin]

How much difference will it make really?  I recently tried to figure that 
out. 


Marc

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 6:45:49 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
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> With 10+ gears, that is...
>
> What components are on it?
> Just curious to see.
> Thinking of dropping weight for my component replacements.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Patrick Moore]

My '99 Joe Starck custom road weighs 17 1/2 lb with no egregiously silly
lightweight parts (there are 2 just modestly silly lightweight parts: a
Phil ti bb, 113; and a ti stem quill binder bolt).

57 c-c, M14A rims with Revolution spokes, 70 gr 650C tubes and 175 gr Elk
Pass tires + sealant; Phil fixed/fixed rear and plain Phil  front; 15 t
cruising cog and 17 t climbing and headwind cog; Tech Deluxe 9 cm stem,
quill cut down to Pearl length; Maes Parallel 38 cm (not to save weight; I
like them narrow); 7410 seapost, original Flite, Pro 5 Vis crank with 46 t
ring; DA 7410 pedals (360 grams; these absolve me of the sin of having
titanium bits); single Iris cage; 7402 levers, left with lever proper
removed, leaving only body with hood.

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[islaysteve]

Lum, My 51 Bleriot weighs 24 lbs without the V.O. rear rack that is 
currently mounted.  Build is drop bars, 8-spd 105 STI/brifters, no fenders, 
VO wheels and Pari Motos.  If I were to weight-weenie this bike the first 
thing I would loose would be the Brooks saddle.  It weighs over a lb.  I 
was quite comfortable for years on my road bike with a Performance 
"Titanio" saddle weighing half of what the Brooks weighs.  I'm sure that I 
would be fine with other lightweight saddles, but of course it's a personal 
thing.  My weight-weenie dreams will have to wait until I get serious about 
building up my Ti road frame again for a go-fast.  Honestly, the way to 
keep it light is to not carry stuff.  But that sort of defeats the purpose 
of a Riv, right?  Cheers, Steve


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> With 10+ gears, that is...
>
> What components are on it?
> Just curious to see.
> Thinking of dropping weight for my component replacements.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Patrick Moore]

58 cm c-c, 559 Sun M14A/Revolution wheels with 559 X 23 mm Turbos (24"
diam), Dura Ace sp, rd, brake levers; Ultegra hubs, hs; Flite; Nitto stem,
185 bar; Phil ti bb; Pro 5 Vis single with 46 t ring; Am Classic 11-23
cassette (100" top gear, 48" low); Speedplay X-1 pedals; Nitto cages; Mavic
Retrofiction shifter; *removable* left side dt shifter boss (thank you,
Curt). Adding a 2nd chainring and fd and cable and shifter would have added
about 3/4 lb, so total as a 2X10 would have been about 20 1/2 lb, mostly
because of the very light wheels. (If the Elk Pass had been available in
2003, the bike could have managed firm dirt and weighed very slightly
less.)

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Ling ago mr '03 Curt 1x10 weighed 19.75 lb with pedals and 2 cages.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 18, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Eric Karnes  wrote:
>
> My 61cm Hilsen was just under 25lb...or at least was the one and only time
> I actually weighed it.
>
> It doesn't completely meet your criteria, as it was set up as a 1x9 with
> an old Shimano 600 crank. Probably the biggest factor in reduced weight
> were the wheels. Dura-ace hubs laced to OpenPro rims were quite light, but
> still wide enough to hold Jack Browns or 35mm knobbies just fine. It also
> had a threadless stem and ran downtube shifters, so that likely shaved off
> a few ounces. I definitely could have removed more weight if i wanted to
> get fancy, but it was built up with existing parts bin parts (many of them
> of the standard Riv variety).
>
> Eric
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 6:45:49 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> With 10+ gears, that is...
>>
>> What components are on it?
>> Just curious to see.
>> Thinking of dropping weight for my component replacements.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Justin, Oakland]

I feel like frame sizes and number of top tubes are important here...

-J

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Don Compton]

My 59cm Roadeo with an Ultegra 11sp group. Nitto bars and stem, and 
Williams Wheels weighs around 22 lbs.

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 3:45:49 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> With 10+ gears, that is...
>
> What components are on it?
> Just curious to see.
> Thinking of dropping weight for my component replacements.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Patrick Moore]

Ling ago mr '03 Curt 1x10 weighed 19.75 lb with pedals and 2 cages.

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> On Aug 18, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Eric Karnes  wrote:
> 
> My 61cm Hilsen was just under 25lb...or at least was the one and only time I 
> actually weighed it.
> 
> It doesn't completely meet your criteria, as it was set up as a 1x9 with an 
> old Shimano 600 crank. Probably the biggest factor in reduced weight were the 
> wheels. Dura-ace hubs laced to OpenPro rims were quite light, but still wide 
> enough to hold Jack Browns or 35mm knobbies just fine. It also had a 
> threadless stem and ran downtube shifters, so that likely shaved off a few 
> ounces. I definitely could have removed more weight if i wanted to get fancy, 
> but it was built up with existing parts bin parts (many of them of the 
> standard Riv variety).
> 
> Eric
> 
>> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 6:45:49 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>> With 10+ gears, that is...
>> 
>> What components are on it?
>> Just curious to see.
>> Thinking of dropping weight for my component replacements.
> 
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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Eric Karnes]

My 61cm Hilsen was just under 25lb...or at least was the one and only time 
I actually weighed it.

It doesn't completely meet your criteria, as it was set up as a 1x9 with an 
old Shimano 600 crank. Probably the biggest factor in reduced weight were 
the wheels. Dura-ace hubs laced to OpenPro rims were quite light, but still 
wide enough to hold Jack Browns or 35mm knobbies just fine. It also had a 
threadless stem and ran downtube shifters, so that likely shaved off a few 
ounces. I definitely could have removed more weight if i wanted to get 
fancy, but it was built up with existing parts bin parts (many of them of 
the standard Riv variety).

Eric

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 6:45:49 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
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> With 10+ gears, that is...
>
> What components are on it?
> Just curious to see.
> Thinking of dropping weight for my component replacements.
>

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