[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
Have to admit, I'd not seen the BE shifters all the way out w/ the brakes before; I like it, though. Might try that on my next bike. On the Ram, what I did was put the first part of the housing from the BE shifter under the tape, right to where it starts to arc up to the brake levers; I didn't want the cable loose down there low on the drops, but didn't think about having it go up and out w/ the brake cables. http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4407872650/in/photostream/ I did lash the cables down w/ some twine, though... made use of a lot of twine, actually, to stabilize the tape a lot more. I like it, I'd do it again, but... on the next one, I might want to avoid interference with a possible front bag, so, coming on up w/ the brake cables might be an idea for me to consider -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
After just reading this thread, it sounds like running the shift cables under the tape all the way up to the bar tops is routine. My wife's new-to-her-just yesterday 47 cm Atlantis has the cables routed in this fashion it does look great, very clean. However, the 8 speed Shimano indexed bar ends seem stiff to me, in comparison to my old Suntour friction barcons. In addition, the indexing is problematic, working properly sometimes and other times acting like it wants to shift. The bike was originally delivered either late 03 or early 04, judging by the evidence. It's not been ridden much has the original Sun Race 8 speed cassette. Shifting assist ramps aren't worn. I replaced the old chain as it seemed a bit gunky with a new SRAM 8 speed. Indexing is still dodgy. I'm wondering if old age has affected the cables? Maybe corrosion or ??? Any words of wisdom or obvious fixes I'm missing? My experience with indexing is minimal. dougP On Oct 28, 9:19 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 10/25/10 1:47 PM, William at tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The cross in front also has its trade offs. The cables themselves do rub on the underside of the downtube when they cross back over to get into the right BB guide slot. Also that might cause trouble for your third bottle cage bosses, if you have them. I used to run all of my mtb cables this way (it was touted as one of the fixes for SRAM shifting) and would grab a handfull (9 = 3 sets of 3) of rubber doughnuts to run on the _under_ cable. This would keep it off of the downtube pretty reliably, and the _over_ cable would slide across it easily. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com I had to ride slow because I was taking my guerrilla route, the one I follow when I assume that everyone in a car is out to get me. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
Doug I wrap my cables under the tape on all my bikes. They shift great. I woulds replace the cables and housing and change to a better cassette. You can get a NOS HG-70 for $30 on Ebay in a 11-30 8 speed. I've always had trouble with the lower priced cassettes shifting well. ~Mike~` On Nov 21, 5:53 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: After just reading this thread, it sounds like running the shift cables under the tape all the way up to the bar tops is routine. My wife's new-to-her-just yesterday 47 cm Atlantis has the cables routed in this fashion it does look great, very clean. However, the 8 speed Shimano indexed bar ends seem stiff to me, in comparison to my old Suntour friction barcons. In addition, the indexing is problematic, working properly sometimes and other times acting like it wants to shift. The bike was originally delivered either late 03 or early 04, judging by the evidence. It's not been ridden much has the original Sun Race 8 speed cassette. Shifting assist ramps aren't worn. I replaced the old chain as it seemed a bit gunky with a new SRAM 8 speed. Indexing is still dodgy. I'm wondering if old age has affected the cables? Maybe corrosion or ??? Any words of wisdom or obvious fixes I'm missing? My experience with indexing is minimal. dougP On Oct 28, 9:19 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 10/25/10 1:47 PM, William at tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The cross in front also has its trade offs. The cables themselves do rub on the underside of the downtube when they cross back over to get into the right BB guide slot. Also that might cause trouble for your third bottle cage bosses, if you have them. I used to run all of my mtb cables this way (it was touted as one of the fixes for SRAM shifting) and would grab a handfull (9 = 3 sets of 3) of rubber doughnuts to run on the _under_ cable. This would keep it off of the downtube pretty reliably, and the _over_ cable would slide across it easily. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com I had to ride slow because I was taking my guerrilla route, the one I follow when I assume that everyone in a car is out to get me. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
on 10/25/10 1:47 PM, William at tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The cross in front also has its trade offs. The cables themselves do rub on the underside of the downtube when they cross back over to get into the right BB guide slot. Also that might cause trouble for your third bottle cage bosses, if you have them. I used to run all of my mtb cables this way (it was touted as one of the fixes for SRAM shifting) and would grab a handfull (9 = 3 sets of 3) of rubber doughnuts to run on the _under_ cable. This would keep it off of the downtube pretty reliably, and the _over_ cable would slide across it easily. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com I had to ride slow because I was taking my guerrilla route, the one I follow when I assume that everyone in a car is out to get me. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
The cables on one bike are routed up the handlebars and out the center. Does make it challenging to open my Acorn Bag. On the other bike, they pop out near the bottom. No Acorn Bag interference. Just sayin' Lynne F On Oct 25, 5:42 pm, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Patrick: If you're running the cable housing outside of the tape, there's really no reason to have any part of it taped. My BE shifter cable housing runs from the pods to the DT cable stops completely outside of the tape. That would buy you a little more tangle-free area on the drops. Dave On Oct 25, 7:47 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Do you feel any additional friction so routing the cables? If not, I may have to do this on the one bike with BES -- not that it's a huge deal, but my fingers tend to get very slightly tangled in the housing as it escapes from the tape just for'ard of the shifter pods (I ride this bike in the hooks a good part of the time.) On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Kevin: I always route them up to the stem... Personally I like the look much better. It usually requires extra long cables (I use tandem cables, and I cut my own housing to length). So check your length and make sure you've got enough cable to route it this way; otherwise you'll have to get longer cable. Good luck. On Oct 25, 1:40 am, Kevin Turinsky kjturin...@mac.com wrote: I'm considering rerouting my derailleur cables from my bar-end shifters, under the tape, all the way up the bars, just like my brake cables. The reason I'm thinking of doing this is because then the cables and my Berthoud bag will no longer have to quarrel. Anyone already done this? Any tips? Any hobgoblins to look out for? Photos? Thanks. Kevin Turinsky RUSA RBA - Alaska alaskarandonneurs.org The Big Wild Ride - Alaska's 1200K -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
Kevin: I always route them up to the stem... Personally I like the look much better. It usually requires extra long cables (I use tandem cables, and I cut my own housing to length). So check your length and make sure you've got enough cable to route it this way; otherwise you'll have to get longer cable. Good luck. On Oct 25, 1:40 am, Kevin Turinsky kjturin...@mac.com wrote: I'm considering rerouting my derailleur cables from my bar-end shifters, under the tape, all the way up the bars, just like my brake cables. The reason I'm thinking of doing this is because then the cables and my Berthoud bag will no longer have to quarrel. Anyone already done this? Any tips? Any hobgoblins to look out for? Photos? Thanks. Kevin Turinsky RUSA RBA - Alaska alaskarandonneurs.org The Big Wild Ride - Alaska's 1200K -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
I did this on my Sam, as I don't care for the flying whiskers look of the cables that come off the drops. One thing to keep in mind, depending on your circumstances, is how they route to the down tube stops. Sometimes the transition directly to the stop can be tight. On Oct 25, 1:40 am, Kevin Turinsky kjturin...@mac.com wrote: I'm considering rerouting my derailleur cables from my bar-end shifters, under the tape, all the way up the bars, just like my brake cables. The reason I'm thinking of doing this is because then the cables and my Berthoud bag will no longer have to quarrel. Anyone already done this? Any tips? Any hobgoblins to look out for? Photos? Thanks. Kevin Turinsky RUSA RBA - Alaska alaskarandonneurs.org The Big Wild Ride - Alaska's 1200K -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
same here... tandem cables and such. works great. I also like to route cable on front of bar as it gives a flatter platform on top which I find more comfortable. ~Mike~ On Oct 25, 6:29 am, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: I did this on my Sam, as I don't care for the flying whiskers look of the cables that come off the drops. One thing to keep in mind, depending on your circumstances, is how they route to the down tube stops. Sometimes the transition directly to the stop can be tight. On Oct 25, 1:40 am, Kevin Turinsky kjturin...@mac.com wrote: I'm considering rerouting my derailleur cables from my bar-end shifters, under the tape, all the way up the bars, just like my brake cables. The reason I'm thinking of doing this is because then the cables and my Berthoud bag will no longer have to quarrel. Anyone already done this? Any tips? Any hobgoblins to look out for? Photos? Thanks. Kevin Turinsky RUSA RBA - Alaska alaskarandonneurs.org The Big Wild Ride - Alaska's 1200K- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
Do you feel any additional friction so routing the cables? If not, I may have to do this on the one bike with BES -- not that it's a huge deal, but my fingers tend to get very slightly tangled in the housing as it escapes from the tape just for'ard of the shifter pods (I ride this bike in the hooks a good part of the time.) On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Kevin: I always route them up to the stem... Personally I like the look much better. It usually requires extra long cables (I use tandem cables, and I cut my own housing to length). So check your length and make sure you've got enough cable to route it this way; otherwise you'll have to get longer cable. Good luck. On Oct 25, 1:40 am, Kevin Turinsky kjturin...@mac.com wrote: I'm considering rerouting my derailleur cables from my bar-end shifters, under the tape, all the way up the bars, just like my brake cables. The reason I'm thinking of doing this is because then the cables and my Berthoud bag will no longer have to quarrel. Anyone already done this? Any tips? Any hobgoblins to look out for? Photos? Thanks. Kevin Turinsky RUSA RBA - Alaska alaskarandonneurs.org The Big Wild Ride - Alaska's 1200K -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
I prefer this method as well - it's cleaner and it shifts fine. It does require extra cable though. I use inner cable meant for a tandem to reach my rear derailleur. It's fine to have the cables exit your bar top at the same place. People who use Campy or Sram brake/shift levers do this all the time. I like mine to run along the bottom fronts of the bar tops (about 4 o'clock), it feels nice in the hand. Also, I think it looks much cleaner and has less friction if you route your front derailleur cable across the head tube to the right side down tube cable boss, and your RD cable to the left side DT cable boss, and then cross the bare cable back over underneath the DT on their way to the bottom bracket. So essentially you follow the natural curve of the cable housing across to the wrong side of the bike then compensate by making the bare cable cross over underneath. It sounds complicated, but this way you avoid excess dramatic cable swoops trying to get your right shifter cable back over to the right side down tube cable braze on, and so on. I hope that makes sense. You'll see right away when you try to route the cable on the bike. On Oct 25, 10:30 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: same here... tandem cables and such. works great. I also like to route cable on front of bar as it gives a flatter platform on top which I find more comfortable. ~Mike~ On Oct 25, 6:29 am, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: I did this on my Sam, as I don't care for the flying whiskers look of the cables that come off the drops. One thing to keep in mind, depending on your circumstances, is how they route to the down tube stops. Sometimes the transition directly to the stop can be tight. On Oct 25, 1:40 am, Kevin Turinsky kjturin...@mac.com wrote: I'm considering rerouting my derailleur cables from my bar-end shifters, under the tape, all the way up the bars, just like my brake cables. The reason I'm thinking of doing this is because then the cables and my Berthoud bag will no longer have to quarrel. Anyone already done this? Any tips? Any hobgoblins to look out for? Photos? Thanks. Kevin Turinsky RUSA RBA - Alaska alaskarandonneurs.org The Big Wild Ride - Alaska's 1200K- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
Thanks Travis, now I know I'm not totally out to lunch! My cables run under the bar tops at about the same 4:00 position, and fall right under the bend in my knuckles when I grip the bar there - it almost feels MORE ergonomic than a plain round bar. I do the same cross-over, but I did mine in front of the bosses, behind the head tube. I guess I thought the slightly tighter curves were better than the cables rubbing across each other, but it probably hardly matters. If you were really concerned about the cables rubbing across each other I guess you could put, one, or both, in a teflon sleeve where they cross. -Pete On Oct 25, 10:51 am, Travis travisbreitenb...@gmail.com wrote: I prefer this method as well - it's cleaner and it shifts fine. It does require extra cable though. I use inner cable meant for a tandem to reach my rear derailleur. It's fine to have the cables exit your bar top at the same place. People who use Campy or Sram brake/shift levers do this all the time. I like mine to run along the bottom fronts of the bar tops (about 4 o'clock), it feels nice in the hand. Also, I think it looks much cleaner and has less friction if you route your front derailleur cable across the head tube to the right side down tube cable boss, and your RD cable to the left side DT cable boss, and then cross the bare cable back over underneath the DT on their way to the bottom bracket. So essentially you follow the natural curve of the cable housing across to the wrong side of the bike then compensate by making the bare cable cross over underneath. It sounds complicated, but this way you avoid excess dramatic cable swoops trying to get your right shifter cable back over to the right side down tube cable braze on, and so on. I hope that makes sense. You'll see right away when you try to route the cable on the bike. On Oct 25, 10:30 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: same here... tandem cables and such. works great. I also like to route cable on front of bar as it gives a flatter platform on top which I find more comfortable. ~Mike~ On Oct 25, 6:29 am, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: I did this on my Sam, as I don't care for the flying whiskers look of the cables that come off the drops. One thing to keep in mind, depending on your circumstances, is how they route to the down tube stops. Sometimes the transition directly to the stop can be tight. On Oct 25, 1:40 am, Kevin Turinsky kjturin...@mac.com wrote: I'm considering rerouting my derailleur cables from my bar-end shifters, under the tape, all the way up the bars, just like my brake cables. The reason I'm thinking of doing this is because then the cables and my Berthoud bag will no longer have to quarrel. Anyone already done this? Any tips? Any hobgoblins to look out for? Photos? Thanks. Kevin Turinsky RUSA RBA - Alaska alaskarandonneurs.org The Big Wild Ride - Alaska's 1200K- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
Weren't derailer cables always routed to the bar, before Rivendell pioneered the new way? I think I did need tandem cables to make the distance: http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/5114851886/ Pretty straightforward setup. I like the clean lines, and the Bontrager has top-tube stops, so it makes more sense. Makes it less useful as a guide for your Riv, though... Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Oct 24, 10:40 pm, Kevin Turinsky kjturin...@mac.com wrote: I'm considering rerouting my derailleur cables from my bar-end shifters, under the tape, all the way up the bars, just like my brake cables. The reason I'm thinking of doing this is because then the cables and my Berthoud bag will no longer have to quarrel. Anyone already done this? Any tips? Any hobgoblins to look out for? Photos? Thanks. Kevin Turinsky RUSA RBA - Alaska alaskarandonneurs.org The Big Wild Ride - Alaska's 1200K -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: Weren't derailer cables always routed to the bar, before Rivendell pioneered the new way? 'the new way'? No. shifter cables came from the shifters (either downtube, barend, thumbies or brifters) and made an arch with no sharp transitions or corners to eventually get to the downtube stops or under the bottom bracket. rivendell didn't pioneer bar end shifters.. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
I'm glad I could help, Peter. I was worried about the friction where the bare cables cross myself, but I've had one bike built like that for a couple of years and haven't noticed any wear whatsoever. For cables I used a Jagwire kit, which supplies plenty of housing length. I bought a separate (tandem) length of cable to reach the RD, and used the RD cable included in the kit to reach the FD. On Oct 25, 12:14 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: Weren't derailer cables always routed to the bar, before Rivendell pioneered the new way? 'the new way'? No. shifter cables came from the shifters (either downtube, barend, thumbies or brifters) and made an arch with no sharp transitions or corners to eventually get to the downtube stops or under the bottom bracket. rivendell didn't pioneer bar end shifters.. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
Peter, IMO crossing the cables is a much better option than making housing bends tighter. Those tighter housing bends also often lead to rubbing on the frame and/or eventual failure of the housing at the end. I've never seen an issue with cables rubbing against each other. -Erik On Oct 25, 12:03 pm, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Travis, now I know I'm not totally out to lunch! My cables run under the bar tops at about the same 4:00 position, and fall right under the bend in my knuckles when I grip the bar there - it almost feels MORE ergonomic than a plain round bar. I do the same cross-over, but I did mine in front of the bosses, behind the head tube. I guess I thought the slightly tighter curves were better than the cables rubbing across each other, but it probably hardly matters. If you were really concerned about the cables rubbing across each other I guess you could put, one, or both, in a teflon sleeve where they cross. -Pete On Oct 25, 10:51 am, Travis travisbreitenb...@gmail.com wrote: I prefer this method as well - it's cleaner and it shifts fine. It does require extra cable though. I use inner cable meant for a tandem to reach my rear derailleur. It's fine to have the cables exit your bar top at the same place. People who use Campy or Sram brake/shift levers do this all the time. I like mine to run along the bottom fronts of the bar tops (about 4 o'clock), it feels nice in the hand. Also, I think it looks much cleaner and has less friction if you route your front derailleur cable across the head tube to the right side down tube cable boss, and your RD cable to the left side DT cable boss, and then cross the bare cable back over underneath the DT on their way to the bottom bracket. So essentially you follow the natural curve of the cable housing across to the wrong side of the bike then compensate by making the bare cable cross over underneath. It sounds complicated, but this way you avoid excess dramatic cable swoops trying to get your right shifter cable back over to the right side down tube cable braze on, and so on. I hope that makes sense. You'll see right away when you try to route the cable on the bike. On Oct 25, 10:30 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: same here... tandem cables and such. works great. I also like to route cable on front of bar as it gives a flatter platform on top which I find more comfortable. ~Mike~ On Oct 25, 6:29 am, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: I did this on my Sam, as I don't care for the flying whiskers look of the cables that come off the drops. One thing to keep in mind, depending on your circumstances, is how they route to the down tube stops. Sometimes the transition directly to the stop can be tight. On Oct 25, 1:40 am, Kevin Turinsky kjturin...@mac.com wrote: I'm considering rerouting my derailleur cables from my bar-end shifters, under the tape, all the way up the bars, just like my brake cables. The reason I'm thinking of doing this is because then the cables and my Berthoud bag will no longer have to quarrel. Anyone already done this? Any tips? Any hobgoblins to look out for? Photos? Thanks. Kevin Turinsky RUSA RBA - Alaska alaskarandonneurs.org The Big Wild Ride - Alaska's 1200K- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
The cross in front also has its trade offs. The cables themselves do rub on the underside of the downtube when they cross back over to get into the right BB guide slot. Also that might cause trouble for your third bottle cage bosses, if you have them. On Oct 25, 12:17 pm, Erik efrob...@gmail.com wrote: Peter, IMO crossing the cables is a much better option than making housing bends tighter. Those tighter housing bends also often lead to rubbing on the frame and/or eventual failure of the housing at the end. I've never seen an issue with cables rubbing against each other. -Erik On Oct 25, 12:03 pm, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Travis, now I know I'm not totally out to lunch! My cables run under the bar tops at about the same 4:00 position, and fall right under the bend in my knuckles when I grip the bar there - it almost feels MORE ergonomic than a plain round bar. I do the same cross-over, but I did mine in front of the bosses, behind the head tube. I guess I thought the slightly tighter curves were better than the cables rubbing across each other, but it probably hardly matters. If you were really concerned about the cables rubbing across each other I guess you could put, one, or both, in a teflon sleeve where they cross. -Pete On Oct 25, 10:51 am, Travis travisbreitenb...@gmail.com wrote: I prefer this method as well - it's cleaner and it shifts fine. It does require extra cable though. I use inner cable meant for a tandem to reach my rear derailleur. It's fine to have the cables exit your bar top at the same place. People who use Campy or Sram brake/shift levers do this all the time. I like mine to run along the bottom fronts of the bar tops (about 4 o'clock), it feels nice in the hand. Also, I think it looks much cleaner and has less friction if you route your front derailleur cable across the head tube to the right side down tube cable boss, and your RD cable to the left side DT cable boss, and then cross the bare cable back over underneath the DT on their way to the bottom bracket. So essentially you follow the natural curve of the cable housing across to the wrong side of the bike then compensate by making the bare cable cross over underneath. It sounds complicated, but this way you avoid excess dramatic cable swoops trying to get your right shifter cable back over to the right side down tube cable braze on, and so on. I hope that makes sense. You'll see right away when you try to route the cable on the bike. On Oct 25, 10:30 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: same here... tandem cables and such. works great. I also like to route cable on front of bar as it gives a flatter platform on top which I find more comfortable. ~Mike~ On Oct 25, 6:29 am, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: I did this on my Sam, as I don't care for the flying whiskers look of the cables that come off the drops. One thing to keep in mind, depending on your circumstances, is how they route to the down tube stops. Sometimes the transition directly to the stop can be tight. On Oct 25, 1:40 am, Kevin Turinsky kjturin...@mac.com wrote: I'm considering rerouting my derailleur cables from my bar-end shifters, under the tape, all the way up the bars, just like my brake cables. The reason I'm thinking of doing this is because then the cables and my Berthoud bag will no longer have to quarrel. Anyone already done this? Any tips? Any hobgoblins to look out for? Photos? Thanks. Kevin Turinsky RUSA RBA - Alaska alaskarandonneurs.org The Big Wild Ride - Alaska's 1200K- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 13:47, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The cross in front also has its trade offs. Another idea for the brave among you, which I recently used on my newly built Nishiki GBUB knockoff porteur: switch the left and right shifters, that is, put the front shifter on the right side and vice-versa. Then you can use the downtube cable stops in the customary arrangement and get the benefit of cleaner housing runs without rubbing against the head tube. James Black -- The 2011 month-at-a-time-view Planner-Calendar, Architecture Burger product AB0612 designed by James Black, is available now. For more information: http://architectureburger.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 13:50 -0700, james black wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 13:47, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The cross in front also has its trade offs. Another idea for the brave among you, which I recently used on my newly built Nishiki GBUB knockoff porteur: switch the left and right shifters, that is, put the front shifter on the right side and vice-versa. Then you can use the downtube cable stops in the customary arrangement and get the benefit of cleaner housing runs without rubbing against the head tube. Don't you find that awfully confusing to use? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
I think the stories goes (I read it either from GP or jobst brandt, can't remember which) that prior to SIS compression-less housing coming along, most der. housing was floppy, wound stuff that wouldn't support the weight of a long arch from shifter to downtube, so you had to route it up under the tape. Once stiffer housing came along you could do it either way, and people did. On Oct 25, 9:11 am, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: Weren't derailer cables always routed to the bar, before Rivendell pioneered the new way? I think I did need tandem cables to make the distance:http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/5114851886/ Pretty straightforward setup. I like the clean lines, and the Bontrager has top-tube stops, so it makes more sense. Makes it less useful as a guide for your Riv, though... Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com On Oct 24, 10:40 pm, Kevin Turinsky kjturin...@mac.com wrote: I'm considering rerouting my derailleur cables from my bar-end shifters, under the tape, all the way up the bars, just like my brake cables. The reason I'm thinking of doing this is because then the cables and my Berthoud bag will no longer have to quarrel. Anyone already done this? Any tips? Any hobgoblins to look out for? Photos? Thanks. Kevin Turinsky RUSA RBA - Alaska alaskarandonneurs.org The Big Wild Ride - Alaska's 1200K -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
Hmmm. I might try the crossed cables, seeing how it's a simple switch. A little helicopter tape on the downtube should protect the breathe-on- it-and-it-scratches paint! On Oct 25, 4:47 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The cross in front also has its trade offs. The cables themselves do rub on the underside of the downtube when they cross back over to get into the right BB guide slot. Also that might cause trouble for your third bottle cage bosses, if you have them. On Oct 25, 12:17 pm, Erik efrob...@gmail.com wrote: Peter, IMO crossing the cables is a much better option than making housing bends tighter. Those tighter housing bends also often lead to rubbing on the frame and/or eventual failure of the housing at the end. I've never seen an issue with cables rubbing against each other. -Erik On Oct 25, 12:03 pm, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Travis, now I know I'm not totally out to lunch! My cables run under the bar tops at about the same 4:00 position, and fall right under the bend in my knuckles when I grip the bar there - it almost feels MORE ergonomic than a plain round bar. I do the same cross-over, but I did mine in front of the bosses, behind the head tube. I guess I thought the slightly tighter curves were better than the cables rubbing across each other, but it probably hardly matters. If you were really concerned about the cables rubbing across each other I guess you could put, one, or both, in a teflon sleeve where they cross. -Pete On Oct 25, 10:51 am, Travis travisbreitenb...@gmail.com wrote: I prefer this method as well - it's cleaner and it shifts fine. It does require extra cable though. I use inner cable meant for a tandem to reach my rear derailleur. It's fine to have the cables exit your bar top at the same place. People who use Campy or Sram brake/shift levers do this all the time. I like mine to run along the bottom fronts of the bar tops (about 4 o'clock), it feels nice in the hand. Also, I think it looks much cleaner and has less friction if you route your front derailleur cable across the head tube to the right side down tube cable boss, and your RD cable to the left side DT cable boss, and then cross the bare cable back over underneath the DT on their way to the bottom bracket. So essentially you follow the natural curve of the cable housing across to the wrong side of the bike then compensate by making the bare cable cross over underneath. It sounds complicated, but this way you avoid excess dramatic cable swoops trying to get your right shifter cable back over to the right side down tube cable braze on, and so on. I hope that makes sense. You'll see right away when you try to route the cable on the bike. On Oct 25, 10:30 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: same here... tandem cables and such. works great. I also like to route cable on front of bar as it gives a flatter platform on top which I find more comfortable. ~Mike~ On Oct 25, 6:29 am, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: I did this on my Sam, as I don't care for the flying whiskers look of the cables that come off the drops. One thing to keep in mind, depending on your circumstances, is how they route to the down tube stops. Sometimes the transition directly to the stop can be tight. On Oct 25, 1:40 am, Kevin Turinsky kjturin...@mac.com wrote: I'm considering rerouting my derailleur cables from my bar-end shifters, under the tape, all the way up the bars, just like my brake cables. The reason I'm thinking of doing this is because then the cables and my Berthoud bag will no longer have to quarrel. Anyone already done this? Any tips? Any hobgoblins to look out for? Photos? Thanks. Kevin Turinsky RUSA RBA - Alaska alaskarandonneurs.org The Big Wild Ride - Alaska's 1200K- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 13:56, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Don't you find that awfully confusing to use? It does feel weird, but it's also my first time using half-step and my only bike with bar-end shifters, so it would feel weird anyway, and I have no reason to doubt that I'm capable of getting used to it. Since the shifters were seven speed accushift with a friction option and power ratchet for the front shifter, I had a good reason to switch shifters anyway, so that I could use the power ratchet on the rear derailleur and the pure friction setting for the front. I also use my right lever for the front brake on most of my bikes. I'm just a goofy fellow! James Black -- The 2011 month-at-a-time-view Planner-Calendar, Architecture Burger product AB0612 designed by James Black, is available now. For more information: http://architectureburger.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 15:03 -0700, james black wrote: It does feel weird, but it's also my first time using half-step and my only bike with bar-end shifters, so it would feel weird anyway, and that means you stand at least a chance of learning it without conflicts. Are all your other bikes downtube levers you operate with your right hand only? That would, I think, be the best situation since this would be your only real use of the left hand. I know I'd find it completely impossible to learn. I have bar end shifters on everything but the Kogswell Porteur (which has downtube) and the conflict in learned patters would be horrible. I still occasionally suffer from front shifts going the wrong way from all the years I used backwards-front Sun Tour front derailleurs, even though I switched the entire fleet 15 years ago. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
Thanks everyone. Travis' explanation really describes it well. And Seth's and Phillip's photos really helped. I already have the tandem cables and housing on order, so as soon as they arrive, I'll get crackin' on the Atlantis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 15:27 -0700, james black wrote: Perversely, I also have the rear brake caliper mounted backwards on the front side of the seatstays, in order to get the Tubus Fly rack to install without conflicting with the brake. If three things on the bike are backwards, is that righteous, or do I need to get a fourth backwards thing to even it out? You could mount the front quick release on the wrong side, I suppose. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
You should get a rapid rise rear dérailleur and one of those old suntour fronts that shift backwards. That'll really give the brain a workout. On Oct 25, 3:03 pm, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 13:56, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Don't you find that awfully confusing to use? It does feel weird, but it's also my first time using half-step and my only bike with bar-end shifters, so it would feel weird anyway, and I have no reason to doubt that I'm capable of getting used to it. Since the shifters were seven speed accushift with a friction option and power ratchet for the front shifter, I had a good reason to switch shifters anyway, so that I could use the power ratchet on the rear derailleur and the pure friction setting for the front. I also use my right lever for the front brake on most of my bikes. I'm just a goofy fellow! James Black -- The 2011 month-at-a-time-view Planner-Calendar, Architecture Burger product AB0612 designed by James Black, is available now. For more information:http://architectureburger.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?
Patrick: If you're running the cable housing outside of the tape, there's really no reason to have any part of it taped. My BE shifter cable housing runs from the pods to the DT cable stops completely outside of the tape. That would buy you a little more tangle-free area on the drops. Dave On Oct 25, 7:47 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Do you feel any additional friction so routing the cables? If not, I may have to do this on the one bike with BES -- not that it's a huge deal, but my fingers tend to get very slightly tangled in the housing as it escapes from the tape just for'ard of the shifter pods (I ride this bike in the hooks a good part of the time.) On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Kevin: I always route them up to the stem... Personally I like the look much better. It usually requires extra long cables (I use tandem cables, and I cut my own housing to length). So check your length and make sure you've got enough cable to route it this way; otherwise you'll have to get longer cable. Good luck. On Oct 25, 1:40 am, Kevin Turinsky kjturin...@mac.com wrote: I'm considering rerouting my derailleur cables from my bar-end shifters, under the tape, all the way up the bars, just like my brake cables. The reason I'm thinking of doing this is because then the cables and my Berthoud bag will no longer have to quarrel. Anyone already done this? Any tips? Any hobgoblins to look out for? Photos? Thanks. Kevin Turinsky RUSA RBA - Alaska alaskarandonneurs.org The Big Wild Ride - Alaska's 1200K -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
