[RBW] Re: Bike quiver update focusing on my A. Homer Hilsen

[René Sterental]

This last set are the Compass bars. I tried the GB before but they weren't
as comfortable. Also were narrower. I've also tried the Nitto version,
which was worse in terms of comfort.

I'm using the 44 on the Homer now, the actual Compass version that Jan
exults, and I have to say I completel agree with him. Maybe I just nailed
the setup with the 5 cm stem, which is the first time I use it. Whatever it
is, I nailed the height and the extension on the first try and am blown
away by how comfortable they are. Flats, bends, behind the levers, on the
levers.

Highly recommend them.

René

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016, Lungimsam  wrote:

> Rene,
>
> How did the compass rando bars feel? Are they Compass or GB? I see you
> stated both in your pics.
>
> Tops? Comfy even though they have that up angle?
> Ramps? As great as Compass says?
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[RBW] Re: Bike quiver update focusing on my A. Homer Hilsen

[Lungimsam]

Rene,

How did the compass rando bars feel? Are they Compass or GB? I see you 
stated both in your pics.

Tops? Comfy even though they have that up angle?
Ramps? As great as Compass says? 

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[RBW] Re: Bike quiver update focusing on my A. Homer Hilsen

[René Sterental]

Indeed!

On Monday, February 22, 2016, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Awesome!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 10:35:52 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>>
>> He literally expressed that these local pavement rides relax him whereas
>> mountain biking stresses him out. He wouldn't mind doing more of these
>> rides with me and he likes the Homer very much and can see it being his
>> bike long term.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike quiver update focusing on my A. Homer Hilsen

[Deacon Patrick]

Awesome!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 10:35:52 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> He literally expressed that these local pavement rides relax him whereas 
> mountain biking stresses him out. He wouldn't mind doing more of these 
> rides with me and he likes the Homer very much and can see it being his 
> bike long term.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike quiver update focusing on my A. Homer Hilsen

[cyclotourist]

Sounds like everyone is a winner with this!!!

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 9:35 PM, René Sterental  wrote:

> Funny you should say. We went for a ride this afternoon and I told him
> about my thoughts regarding him, his Tallboy and the Homer as we were
> riding. He heard me, then responded that he understood and that he
> preferred to keep the Homer long term and sell the Tallboy. He literally
> expressed that these local pavement rides relax him whereas mountain biking
> stresses him out. He wouldn't mind doing more of these rides with me and he
> likes the Homer very much and can see it being his bike long term.
>
> So it's settled. The Homer is staying and I'll have a lot of fun comparing
> it to the Rex and sharing my thoughts and findings with the list. Whether
> low trail or high trail rules doesn't really matter. What matters is that
> my son will continue to ride with me and really enjoy it.
>
> Thanks for your support! All of you!
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 6:13 PM, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
>
>> I think you'll be really happy with your upcoming Rex! I know many people
>> that have moved from Rivendells to low-trail "rando" bikes, but no of none
>> that moved in the opposite direction.
>>
>> It sounds like your son would be able to use your Homer at some poing,
>> maybe don't let that one go too quickly :-)
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 1:00 PM, René Sterental 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> @Cyclotourist:
>>>
>>> Yes, for all practical purposes I have the perfect trio of Rivendell
>>> bikes. There is, however, room for improvement, both personal and practical
>>> on my bike quiver. Yes, I can only justify it emotionally, but were it not
>>> for our emotions, we wouldn't have the relationship we have with our bikes,
>>> be them Rivendells or not.
>>>
>>> With that in mind, here is what's actually going on now...
>>>
>>> - The Homer is a fantastic bike, no questions there, BUT, the toe
>>> overlap has always annoyed me terribly and I can't get it to handle as I
>>> want with a front load, which is how I like to ride to keep my
>>> camera/lenses at hand. The other issue of riding it comfortably I seem to
>>> have finally nailed it, albeit a bit late as you'll see.
>>> - I love the feel of the 650b wheels with wide low pressure tires such
>>> as the Hetres. As such, the Betty (with no front loads) rides and handles
>>> even better than the Homer in some non-quantifiable difficult to articulate
>>> rationally manner.
>>> - I love the handling of a low trail bike, especially with a front load,
>>> as exemplified by my experimental conversions of both my Atlantis and
>>> Hunqapillar, where I think the conversion made the bike ride even better
>>> than before and took away all the shimmy I experienced. At first I was set
>>> on converting the Homer and Betty as well, but then decided not to; the
>>> Betty was perfect as it was and not intended to be my long(ish) distance
>>> bike and back then, I had decided to reward me with a 650b low trail bike
>>> that essentially combined the Homer/Betty/Low Trail on a single bike.
>>>
>>> As a reward for my 50% progress on my weight loss and lifestyle changes,
>>> I placed an order for a custom 650b low trail frame with Steve Rex, a
>>> builder in Sacramento that Kevin actually referred me to when I needed to
>>> have the downtube boss replaced on my Atlantis after a bolt broke inside
>>> when I was building it up. Over the years, I kept it in the back of my mind
>>> and late last year decided to proceed with the plan, which was another
>>> reason I had to find a new home for the Hunqa, aside from the fit/comfort
>>> issues. By this time, I had also found my pain-free fit on the Atlantis, so
>>> I had Steve do a fitting for the custom frame and also showed him the
>>> Atlantis for additional reference. I could tell that I wasn't really going
>>> to be comfortable in the standard low trail randonneur geometry that is now
>>> being made available more broadly, and that unless I went custom, it wasn't
>>> worth it.
>>>
>>> Steve's proposed geometry seems to be what I'm looking for:
>>> - 35mm low trail that is not extreme and can be ridden with or without a
>>> front load and should address any toe overlap issues
>>> - Seat tube angle of 71.5 to place the saddle where I want it without
>>> requiring a super offset seat post
>>> - Longer chain stays @ 460mm so I'm not sitting over the rear wheel and
>>> the bike handles better for me
>>> - Reach adjusted primarily for what is now a comfortable cockpit for me
>>> that I can fit with either rearward bars like the Elysee on the Atlantis or
>>> the Randonneur and adjust the stem reach accordingly.
>>> - Integrated beautiful racks (Steve won best bike a few years ago at
>>> NAHBS with a beautiful racked bike)
>>> - Beautiful polished lugs, internal cable routing, integrated fork with
>>> connectors for the SON SL hub, internal cabling for the rear fender mounted
>>> dynamo 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike quiver update focusing on my A. Homer Hilsen

[René Sterental]

Funny you should say. We went for a ride this afternoon and I told him
about my thoughts regarding him, his Tallboy and the Homer as we were
riding. He heard me, then responded that he understood and that he
preferred to keep the Homer long term and sell the Tallboy. He literally
expressed that these local pavement rides relax him whereas mountain biking
stresses him out. He wouldn't mind doing more of these rides with me and he
likes the Homer very much and can see it being his bike long term.

So it's settled. The Homer is staying and I'll have a lot of fun comparing
it to the Rex and sharing my thoughts and findings with the list. Whether
low trail or high trail rules doesn't really matter. What matters is that
my son will continue to ride with me and really enjoy it.

Thanks for your support! All of you!

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 6:13 PM, cyclotourist 
wrote:

> I think you'll be really happy with your upcoming Rex! I know many people
> that have moved from Rivendells to low-trail "rando" bikes, but no of none
> that moved in the opposite direction.
>
> It sounds like your son would be able to use your Homer at some poing,
> maybe don't let that one go too quickly :-)
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 1:00 PM, René Sterental 
> wrote:
>
>> @Cyclotourist:
>>
>> Yes, for all practical purposes I have the perfect trio of Rivendell
>> bikes. There is, however, room for improvement, both personal and practical
>> on my bike quiver. Yes, I can only justify it emotionally, but were it not
>> for our emotions, we wouldn't have the relationship we have with our bikes,
>> be them Rivendells or not.
>>
>> With that in mind, here is what's actually going on now...
>>
>> - The Homer is a fantastic bike, no questions there, BUT, the toe overlap
>> has always annoyed me terribly and I can't get it to handle as I want with
>> a front load, which is how I like to ride to keep my camera/lenses at hand.
>> The other issue of riding it comfortably I seem to have finally nailed it,
>> albeit a bit late as you'll see.
>> - I love the feel of the 650b wheels with wide low pressure tires such as
>> the Hetres. As such, the Betty (with no front loads) rides and handles even
>> better than the Homer in some non-quantifiable difficult to articulate
>> rationally manner.
>> - I love the handling of a low trail bike, especially with a front load,
>> as exemplified by my experimental conversions of both my Atlantis and
>> Hunqapillar, where I think the conversion made the bike ride even better
>> than before and took away all the shimmy I experienced. At first I was set
>> on converting the Homer and Betty as well, but then decided not to; the
>> Betty was perfect as it was and not intended to be my long(ish) distance
>> bike and back then, I had decided to reward me with a 650b low trail bike
>> that essentially combined the Homer/Betty/Low Trail on a single bike.
>>
>> As a reward for my 50% progress on my weight loss and lifestyle changes,
>> I placed an order for a custom 650b low trail frame with Steve Rex, a
>> builder in Sacramento that Kevin actually referred me to when I needed to
>> have the downtube boss replaced on my Atlantis after a bolt broke inside
>> when I was building it up. Over the years, I kept it in the back of my mind
>> and late last year decided to proceed with the plan, which was another
>> reason I had to find a new home for the Hunqa, aside from the fit/comfort
>> issues. By this time, I had also found my pain-free fit on the Atlantis, so
>> I had Steve do a fitting for the custom frame and also showed him the
>> Atlantis for additional reference. I could tell that I wasn't really going
>> to be comfortable in the standard low trail randonneur geometry that is now
>> being made available more broadly, and that unless I went custom, it wasn't
>> worth it.
>>
>> Steve's proposed geometry seems to be what I'm looking for:
>> - 35mm low trail that is not extreme and can be ridden with or without a
>> front load and should address any toe overlap issues
>> - Seat tube angle of 71.5 to place the saddle where I want it without
>> requiring a super offset seat post
>> - Longer chain stays @ 460mm so I'm not sitting over the rear wheel and
>> the bike handles better for me
>> - Reach adjusted primarily for what is now a comfortable cockpit for me
>> that I can fit with either rearward bars like the Elysee on the Atlantis or
>> the Randonneur and adjust the stem reach accordingly.
>> - Integrated beautiful racks (Steve won best bike a few years ago at
>> NAHBS with a beautiful racked bike)
>> - Beautiful polished lugs, internal cable routing, integrated fork with
>> connectors for the SON SL hub, internal cabling for the rear fender mounted
>> dynamo twilight, integrated chain hanger and other little details.
>> - Compass Centerpull brakes
>>
>> If this bike turns out to be what I expect it to be, it will be the bike
>> that could certainly replace the Homer and potentially 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike quiver update focusing on my A. Homer Hilsen

[cyclotourist]

I think you'll be really happy with your upcoming Rex! I know many people
that have moved from Rivendells to low-trail "rando" bikes, but no of none
that moved in the opposite direction.

It sounds like your son would be able to use your Homer at some poing,
maybe don't let that one go too quickly :-)

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 1:00 PM, René Sterental  wrote:

> @Cyclotourist:
>
> Yes, for all practical purposes I have the perfect trio of Rivendell
> bikes. There is, however, room for improvement, both personal and practical
> on my bike quiver. Yes, I can only justify it emotionally, but were it not
> for our emotions, we wouldn't have the relationship we have with our bikes,
> be them Rivendells or not.
>
> With that in mind, here is what's actually going on now...
>
> - The Homer is a fantastic bike, no questions there, BUT, the toe overlap
> has always annoyed me terribly and I can't get it to handle as I want with
> a front load, which is how I like to ride to keep my camera/lenses at hand.
> The other issue of riding it comfortably I seem to have finally nailed it,
> albeit a bit late as you'll see.
> - I love the feel of the 650b wheels with wide low pressure tires such as
> the Hetres. As such, the Betty (with no front loads) rides and handles even
> better than the Homer in some non-quantifiable difficult to articulate
> rationally manner.
> - I love the handling of a low trail bike, especially with a front load,
> as exemplified by my experimental conversions of both my Atlantis and
> Hunqapillar, where I think the conversion made the bike ride even better
> than before and took away all the shimmy I experienced. At first I was set
> on converting the Homer and Betty as well, but then decided not to; the
> Betty was perfect as it was and not intended to be my long(ish) distance
> bike and back then, I had decided to reward me with a 650b low trail bike
> that essentially combined the Homer/Betty/Low Trail on a single bike.
>
> As a reward for my 50% progress on my weight loss and lifestyle changes, I
> placed an order for a custom 650b low trail frame with Steve Rex, a builder
> in Sacramento that Kevin actually referred me to when I needed to have the
> downtube boss replaced on my Atlantis after a bolt broke inside when I was
> building it up. Over the years, I kept it in the back of my mind and late
> last year decided to proceed with the plan, which was another reason I had
> to find a new home for the Hunqa, aside from the fit/comfort issues. By
> this time, I had also found my pain-free fit on the Atlantis, so I had
> Steve do a fitting for the custom frame and also showed him the Atlantis
> for additional reference. I could tell that I wasn't really going to be
> comfortable in the standard low trail randonneur geometry that is now being
> made available more broadly, and that unless I went custom, it wasn't worth
> it.
>
> Steve's proposed geometry seems to be what I'm looking for:
> - 35mm low trail that is not extreme and can be ridden with or without a
> front load and should address any toe overlap issues
> - Seat tube angle of 71.5 to place the saddle where I want it without
> requiring a super offset seat post
> - Longer chain stays @ 460mm so I'm not sitting over the rear wheel and
> the bike handles better for me
> - Reach adjusted primarily for what is now a comfortable cockpit for me
> that I can fit with either rearward bars like the Elysee on the Atlantis or
> the Randonneur and adjust the stem reach accordingly.
> - Integrated beautiful racks (Steve won best bike a few years ago at NAHBS
> with a beautiful racked bike)
> - Beautiful polished lugs, internal cable routing, integrated fork with
> connectors for the SON SL hub, internal cabling for the rear fender mounted
> dynamo twilight, integrated chain hanger and other little details.
> - Compass Centerpull brakes
>
> If this bike turns out to be what I expect it to be, it will be the bike
> that could certainly replace the Homer and potentially the Betty, although
> I have the feeling that I'll always keep the Betty as I try to be less car
> dependent around town. And did I say I just love how it rides?
>
> There is the additional topic of my son and my aspirations for him, which
> was touched very well in another recent topic. He likes riding with me, but
> he's not passionate about cycling and I've made the mistake of trying to
> ignite his passion by getting him better bikes. He just turned 17 and since
> last summer, he pretty much fits on my Rivs without needing to make any
> adjustments, so it was very tempting to say I'd keep the Hunqapillar for
> him, only it didn't make sense nor I had the room, especially once the Rex
> project materialized. I am still thinking that I might try to leave the
> Homer for him to ride, but does it make sense to have it sitting there
> until who know when? I still have to decide if to sell his highly spec
> parts upgraded Santa Cruz Tallboy as he just doesn't want 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike quiver update focusing on my A. Homer Hilsen

[René Sterental]

@Cyclotourist:

Yes, for all practical purposes I have the perfect trio of Rivendell bikes.
There is, however, room for improvement, both personal and practical on my
bike quiver. Yes, I can only justify it emotionally, but were it not for
our emotions, we wouldn't have the relationship we have with our bikes, be
them Rivendells or not.

With that in mind, here is what's actually going on now...

- The Homer is a fantastic bike, no questions there, BUT, the toe overlap
has always annoyed me terribly and I can't get it to handle as I want with
a front load, which is how I like to ride to keep my camera/lenses at hand.
The other issue of riding it comfortably I seem to have finally nailed it,
albeit a bit late as you'll see.
- I love the feel of the 650b wheels with wide low pressure tires such as
the Hetres. As such, the Betty (with no front loads) rides and handles even
better than the Homer in some non-quantifiable difficult to articulate
rationally manner.
- I love the handling of a low trail bike, especially with a front load, as
exemplified by my experimental conversions of both my Atlantis and
Hunqapillar, where I think the conversion made the bike ride even better
than before and took away all the shimmy I experienced. At first I was set
on converting the Homer and Betty as well, but then decided not to; the
Betty was perfect as it was and not intended to be my long(ish) distance
bike and back then, I had decided to reward me with a 650b low trail bike
that essentially combined the Homer/Betty/Low Trail on a single bike.

As a reward for my 50% progress on my weight loss and lifestyle changes, I
placed an order for a custom 650b low trail frame with Steve Rex, a builder
in Sacramento that Kevin actually referred me to when I needed to have the
downtube boss replaced on my Atlantis after a bolt broke inside when I was
building it up. Over the years, I kept it in the back of my mind and late
last year decided to proceed with the plan, which was another reason I had
to find a new home for the Hunqa, aside from the fit/comfort issues. By
this time, I had also found my pain-free fit on the Atlantis, so I had
Steve do a fitting for the custom frame and also showed him the Atlantis
for additional reference. I could tell that I wasn't really going to be
comfortable in the standard low trail randonneur geometry that is now being
made available more broadly, and that unless I went custom, it wasn't worth
it.

Steve's proposed geometry seems to be what I'm looking for:
- 35mm low trail that is not extreme and can be ridden with or without a
front load and should address any toe overlap issues
- Seat tube angle of 71.5 to place the saddle where I want it without
requiring a super offset seat post
- Longer chain stays @ 460mm so I'm not sitting over the rear wheel and the
bike handles better for me
- Reach adjusted primarily for what is now a comfortable cockpit for me
that I can fit with either rearward bars like the Elysee on the Atlantis or
the Randonneur and adjust the stem reach accordingly.
- Integrated beautiful racks (Steve won best bike a few years ago at NAHBS
with a beautiful racked bike)
- Beautiful polished lugs, internal cable routing, integrated fork with
connectors for the SON SL hub, internal cabling for the rear fender mounted
dynamo twilight, integrated chain hanger and other little details.
- Compass Centerpull brakes

If this bike turns out to be what I expect it to be, it will be the bike
that could certainly replace the Homer and potentially the Betty, although
I have the feeling that I'll always keep the Betty as I try to be less car
dependent around town. And did I say I just love how it rides?

There is the additional topic of my son and my aspirations for him, which
was touched very well in another recent topic. He likes riding with me, but
he's not passionate about cycling and I've made the mistake of trying to
ignite his passion by getting him better bikes. He just turned 17 and since
last summer, he pretty much fits on my Rivs without needing to make any
adjustments, so it was very tempting to say I'd keep the Hunqapillar for
him, only it didn't make sense nor I had the room, especially once the Rex
project materialized. I am still thinking that I might try to leave the
Homer for him to ride, but does it make sense to have it sitting there
until who know when? I still have to decide if to sell his highly spec
parts upgraded Santa Cruz Tallboy as he just doesn't want to come mountain
biking. We had a long conversation last summer where he agreed that he
loved just going for a local 1 hour (give or take) bike ride with me just
to spend time with me, but he wasn't interested in doing long rides or
spending a good part of the day driving to do a ride somewhere. I was set
on selling his Tallboy last summer, but we decided that once a month or so,
he'd mountain bike with me in Arrastradero Preserve in Palo Alto. 6+ months
later he still hasn't, but he's come on a couple or paved rides 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike quiver update focusing on my A. Homer Hilsen

[René Sterental]

I think you're referring to the Compass Cycle Promenade that I had on the
Betty a while back, which does look like a mini Bosco. The width at the
ends is 415mm.
https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/handlebars/promenade/


On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> That GB bar looks like a mini bosco. Whats the width?
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[RBW] Re: Bike quiver update focusing on my A. Homer Hilsen

[Deacon Patrick]

I always love hearing 'bout the adventure! Whatever you decide, keep on 
having fun! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, February 20, 2016 at 9:10:16 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> One of the benefits of downsizing in both number of bikes and body weight, 
> is that you can refocus on the bikes you have, while deciding what to do 
> next about the total number of bikes and other stuff one accumulates.
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike quiver update focusing on my A. Homer Hilsen

[Lungimsam]

That GB bar looks like a mini bosco. Whats the width?

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[RBW] Re: Bike quiver update focusing on my A. Homer Hilsen

[MartyG]

>
> The AHH has always been one of my favorite Rivendell models, although I've 
> never owned one. Someday...
>

Great post and great photos of all your bikes. I hope to fiddle my way to 
the ideal mixup of parts on a couple of my bikes this year. It's a game of 
Pin the Tail on the Donkey, hide and seek, where's Waldo and Frustration! 
all rolled into one pleasant pastime. 

>
> Photos prove that the story is real (click to the right to see the details 
> of the handlebars): 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/24532732053/in/album-72157622508702300/
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike quiver update focusing on my A. Homer Hilsen

[cyclotourist]

Nice, thoughtful post, René. If I can interject my opinion (it is the
internet), I would say don't sell any more bikes!
You have a great 1, 2, 3 combination right now... seems just perfect!

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 9:24 PM, René Sterental  wrote:

> Sorry John, I didn't take any photos before taping it.
>
> I don't know if I can articulate the differences between the C17 vs. B17
> and Berthoud touring saddle. I have both versions of the C17, with and
> without the cutout and I find them pretty much the same. Perhaps the one
> with the cutout is slightly more comfortable. My guess is that the material
> has the right combination of hardness, rigidity and flexibility for me. The
> fact that its top is flatter than the B17 is a plus for me, but then the
> Berthoud is flat and it still hurt after a bit on the saddle. BTW, I found
> the Berthoud preferable to the B17, but man, perhaps I didn't ride them
> long enough to break the leather in, after about 15-20 minutes, my seat
> bones would hurt and eventually the pain would kill the pleasure of the
> ride.
>
> With the C17, I've been comfortable right from the start of the ride and
> when not having ridden in a while, I can feel my seat bones and butt get
> sore, but after one or two 30 minute rides I'm conditioned again and while
> definitely feeling like a firm saddle, everything is superbly comfortable.
> I definitely recommend it.
>
> Wallingford Bikes (www.wallbike.com) offers a six month unconditional
> guarantee if you purchase from them, so if you don't find it good for you,
> he'll take it back.
>
> René
>
> René
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 9:13 PM, John Hawrylak 
> wrote:
>
>> I enjoyed the detailed report and am glad things are working out for you
>> & the AHH.
>>
>> Do you have a picture of the Compass handlebars mounted and rotated
>> without the bar tape?
>>
>> What differences/advantages do you find that makes the C-17 better than
>> other saddles you tried?
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike quiver update focusing on my A. Homer Hilsen

[René Sterental]

Sorry John, I didn't take any photos before taping it.

I don't know if I can articulate the differences between the C17 vs. B17
and Berthoud touring saddle. I have both versions of the C17, with and
without the cutout and I find them pretty much the same. Perhaps the one
with the cutout is slightly more comfortable. My guess is that the material
has the right combination of hardness, rigidity and flexibility for me. The
fact that its top is flatter than the B17 is a plus for me, but then the
Berthoud is flat and it still hurt after a bit on the saddle. BTW, I found
the Berthoud preferable to the B17, but man, perhaps I didn't ride them
long enough to break the leather in, after about 15-20 minutes, my seat
bones would hurt and eventually the pain would kill the pleasure of the
ride.

With the C17, I've been comfortable right from the start of the ride and
when not having ridden in a while, I can feel my seat bones and butt get
sore, but after one or two 30 minute rides I'm conditioned again and while
definitely feeling like a firm saddle, everything is superbly comfortable.
I definitely recommend it.

Wallingford Bikes (www.wallbike.com) offers a six month unconditional
guarantee if you purchase from them, so if you don't find it good for you,
he'll take it back.

René

René

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 9:13 PM, John Hawrylak 
wrote:

> I enjoyed the detailed report and am glad things are working out for you &
> the AHH.
>
> Do you have a picture of the Compass handlebars mounted and rotated
> without the bar tape?
>
> What differences/advantages do you find that makes the C-17 better than
> other saddles you tried?
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Bike quiver update focusing on my A. Homer Hilsen

[John Hawrylak]

I enjoyed the detailed report and am glad things are working out for you & 
the AHH.

Do you have a picture of the Compass handlebars mounted and rotated without 
the bar tape?

What differences/advantages do you find that makes the C-17 better than 
other saddles you tried?

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


>
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