subject:"\[RBW\] Re\: Bosco Bars"

[RBW] Re: Bosco bars grip suggestions

2019-02-22 Thread Tim O. (Portland, OR)

Thanks! Moving the thing shifters down by the curves is still really convenient 
shifting and it means I can use all three hand positions (grips, top of the 
bend and flats). I really dig it. Got the inspiration from a blug post or 
something.

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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars grip suggestions

2019-02-22 Thread Marc Irwin



[image: sam.JPG]

I have them on my Sam and Hunq.  I tried some bolt on leather grips but 
have since switched to Riv cork on both.  VO leather wrap on the rest of 
the bar (The "city bike" grip is long enough).  I've also used Dia Compe 
"stoker" knobs as a midpoint grip and interrupter levers on the flats.

Marc

On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 5:33:23 PM UTC-5, OwenS wrote:
>
> Hi all, I posted this before but I used an emoji so perhaps it didn't get 
> approved? 
>
> After some ideas on suggestions for grips for the bosco bars. Has anyone 
> tried cloth bar tape on the bosco bar? Cheers!

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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars grip suggestions

2019-02-22 Thread Jon Dukeman,central Colorado

I forgot..finished with a few coats of clear shellac.
Jon

On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 8:03:23 AM UTC-7, Jon Dukeman,central 
Colorado wrote:
>
> I used a layer of faux cork grip from a road bike wrap for a little 
> cushion and then a layer of Newbaums cloth tape  finished with twine and a 
> wine bottle cork .
> Jon 
>
>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars grip suggestions

2019-02-22 Thread OwenS

Great photo! Do you fins the thumb shifters that far away annoying or just 
something you prefer?

On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 3:33:19 PM UTC+11, Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
wrote:
>
> Ergons backwards! Looks funny, but feels nice. Shifters by the curves open 
> up all the hand positions. 
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
> On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 2:33:23 PM UTC-8, OwenS wrote:
> > Hi all, I posted this before but I used an emoji so perhaps it didn't 
> get approved? 
> > 
> > After some ideas on suggestions for grips for the bosco bars. Has anyone 
> tried cloth bar tape on the bosco bar? Cheers!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars grip suggestions

2019-02-22 Thread OwenS

Great photo! Do you find the thumb shifters that far away annoying or just 
something you prefer?

On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 3:33:19 PM UTC+11, Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
wrote:
>
> Ergons backwards! Looks funny, but feels nice. Shifters by the curves open 
> up all the hand positions. 
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
> On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 2:33:23 PM UTC-8, OwenS wrote:
> > Hi all, I posted this before but I used an emoji so perhaps it didn't 
> get approved? 
> > 
> > After some ideas on suggestions for grips for the bosco bars. Has anyone 
> tried cloth bar tape on the bosco bar? Cheers!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars grip suggestions

2019-02-21 Thread Justin, Oakland

I love my Ergons. They made the bar usable. I tried them before with cork 
grips and standard ESI grips and it just didn't gel.

On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 5:29:07 PM UTC-8, masmojo wrote:
>
> Me & the Boscos never bonded, but what I dig on my Albatross and other 
> similar bars is BMX grips!
> Yeah . . . BMX grips some of my favorites: Deco, Volume, Subrosa and 
> Eastern.
> If I could figure out how to post pics I would. 

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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars grip suggestions

2019-02-21 Thread masmojo

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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars grip suggestions

2019-02-21 Thread masmojo

Me & the Boscos never bonded, but what I dig on my Albatross and other similar 
bars is BMX grips!
Yeah . . . BMX grips some of my favorites: Deco, Volume, Subrosa and Eastern.
If I could figure out how to post pics I would. 

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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars grip suggestions

2019-02-21 Thread Ash

I'm a Bosco handlebar fanatic.  Have them on two bikes currently.  (I have 
also tried all 3 sizes)

Before moving to Bosco I had settled on Ergon GC touring (the flatish kind) 
cork grips.
I found them pretty uncomfortable with Boscos.  Round grips work better for 
some reason.  Now I have the round rubber Ergons.  They might be called 
GA2.   They have clamps, so easy to install/remove.  

Oury grips worked fine too.  I like round ergons slightly better.

On Thursday, 21 February 2019 14:33:23 UTC-8, OwenS wrote:
>
> Hi all, I posted this before but I used an emoji so perhaps it didn't get 
> approved? 
>
> After some ideas on suggestions for grips for the bosco bars. Has anyone 
> tried cloth bar tape on the bosco bar? Cheers!

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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars grip suggestions

2019-02-21 Thread Ed Carolipio

I started with a single layer cloth tape before going on a grip journey::

   - Rivbike Dutch paddle - too small for my hands
   - Cylindrical MTB grip with a lock-on screw, like the Lizard Skins 
    - this one worked well too, but a 
   bit short lenghtwise to cover the generous grip area on the Boscoes
   - ESI Chunkys Extra Long size - a little too thick for my hands, 
   difficult to take off/on
   - ODI Longneck Grips in superlong size - really like the length for 
   variety in hand position but a bit squirmy when stand-up pedaling

Next step on my grip journey is the superlong Kraton grips from Jones bikes 
, which would be firmer 
than the ODI ones while preserving the front-to-back variety in hand 
positions. I think the "Riv padded cloth tape grip" would be a good option 
but I don't have firsthand experience to comment.

--Ed C.

On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 2:33:23 PM UTC-8, OwenS wrote:
>
> Hi all, I posted this before but I used an emoji so perhaps it didn't get 
> approved? 
>
> After some ideas on suggestions for grips for the bosco bars. Has anyone 
> tried cloth bar tape on the bosco bar? Cheers!

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[RBW] Re: Bosco Bars

2018-03-21 Thread Wayne Naha

You will always return to your dark master, the cocoa bean! 


 

> On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 10:08:36 AM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
>>
>> I wonder why they call them Bosco bars? Who or what is a "Bosco"?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bosco Bars

2018-03-21 Thread Carl

They're named after a chocolate syrup product. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosco_Chocolate_Syrup

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 10:08:36 AM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
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> I wonder why they call them Bosco bars? Who or what is a "Bosco"?
>

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[RBW] Re: Bosco Bars Great on Beach Cruisers!

2013-04-29 Thread George Millwood

Great build from a choice selection of parts.  I particularly like the 
saddle.  I'm contemplating how to rebuild my beach cruiser, a Specialised 
Shark, and this has given me a lot to think about.  Great work.
 

On Tuesday, 30 April 2013 03:17:41 UTC+10, Pudge wrote:

  I was building a bike to donate to a charity auction, a sort of beach 
 cruiser remake of a late ‘70s Fuji mixte, and it occurred to me that the 
 spare set of Bosco bars languishing in my shop might work well on it.  
 Turns out they’re as great for that kind of casual upright bike as they are 
 for touring, and they look perfect on the new 3-speed cruiser version, too.

  

 Forgive me a couple of pictures:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8688847823/in/photostream/

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8686209405/in/photostream/

  

 And the bars up closer:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8687338688/in/photostream

  

 Tom

  
  
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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars - bullmoose vs others

2013-03-29 Thread Marc Irwin

I have the regular on my  Hillborne and the Bullmoose on my Hunq.  I like 
them both, I do have the regular bars set at a slight angle down but the 
bullmoose work fine also, I'm using a 12cm stem on the regular so there is 
not much difference in the reach.

Marc

On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 5:48:26 PM UTC-4, markt...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm interested in trying one of the bosco bars and am wondering if any of 
 you have compared the bullmoose version with the non-bullmoose version. 
 Obviously, the bullmoose locks you into a particular stem and particular 
 reach. Anybody tried the wide bosco bars in the two different versions?
 Thanks,
 Mark


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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars with reverse brake levers?

2012-06-26 Thread Garth

Of course you can do it !  I've used such a setup with Albatross bars for 
going on 3 years now . LOVE it.  I've always disliked standard brake 
levers, period, so upon discovering the Tektro levers combined with the 
Albatross and my all time fav Suntour thumbshifters  it's heaven for me 
! 

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4073/4860392084_69e20e8533_b.jpg

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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars with reverse brake levers?

2012-06-25 Thread Marc Irwin

I thought about it, but already had some levers and figured it would 
be unnecessary expense.
There's no real reason not to, 
Marc

On Monday, June 25, 2012 10:36:16 AM UTC-4, Andrew Letton wrote:

 Has anyone tried Bosco Bars with reverse brake levers?  
 If combined with thumbie, stem, or downtube shifters, seems like the 
 ultimate in keeping bar space open for hand positions.
 If you've tried it, please post photos/comments.
 Any reasons not to try it?
 cheers,
 Andrew...who put Boscos on his wife's refurbed MTB and hasn't tried them 
 on his own bike yet...


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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars with reverse brake levers?

2012-06-25 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt

not mine... but proof that it can be 
donehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cnyriv/7389129258/
. 

--Andy


On Monday, June 25, 2012 7:36:16 AM UTC-7, Andrew Letton wrote:

 Has anyone tried Bosco Bars with reverse brake levers?  
 If combined with thumbie, stem, or downtube shifters, seems like the 
 ultimate in keeping bar space open for hand positions.
 If you've tried it, please post photos/comments.
 Any reasons not to try it?
 cheers,
 Andrew...who put Boscos on his wife's refurbed MTB and hasn't tried them 
 on his own bike yet...


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[RBW] Re: Bosco Bars

2012-06-19 Thread Garth



My opinion, one should not need to resort to extra torque in order to get 
the bar to stay in place ! Proper torque is one thing, extra is not better 
! 

If the bar is slipping from not being the proper diameter , ie some 
defect , if one uses a stem with a open face 2 or 4 bolt design, this 
issue is moot as these stems are not dependent on a perfectly fitting bar.  
Yes, I know many are attached to their traditional stems, but it is an 
option. I for one was a traditionalist, but got over that and love using 
stems with open faces. I've used my Albatross bars with a 26.0 stem and 
zero issues for years. Like the Bosco, these can produce a lot of leverage. 

Or, try shimming your current stem with some aluminium can shims. 

So, if your bars are slipping, don't just excuse a possible defect in the 
bar and rationalise it by thinking your making it slip. Proper bar and stem 
fits do not slip. 

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[RBW] Re: Bosco Bars

2012-06-19 Thread Bill M.

I doubt many Boscos have been installed with a torque wrench.  Does anyone 
have a torque spec for a Nitto stem bolt anyway?  What is the 'proper' 
torque?

A little friction paste (aka assembly paste or carbon paste) might be all 
that's needed to keep the Boscos in place.  If they are so loose as to need 
a shim then they are truly off-spec and should be recalled.  I doubt that's 
the case.

Bill


On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 4:15:45 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:



 My opinion, one should not need to resort to extra torque in order to 
 get the bar to stay in place ! Proper torque is one thing, extra is not 
 better ! 

 If the bar is slipping from not being the proper diameter , ie some 
 defect , if one uses a stem with a open face 2 or 4 bolt design, this 
 issue is moot as these stems are not dependent on a perfectly fitting bar.  
 Yes, I know many are attached to their traditional stems, but it is an 
 option. I for one was a traditionalist, but got over that and love using 
 stems with open faces. I've used my Albatross bars with a 26.0 stem and 
 zero issues for years. Like the Bosco, these can produce a lot of leverage. 

 Or, try shimming your current stem with some aluminium can shims. 

 So, if your bars are slipping, don't just excuse a possible defect in the 
 bar and rationalise it by thinking your making it slip. Proper bar and stem 
 fits do not slip. 


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[RBW] Re: Bosco Bars

2012-06-19 Thread japhilip

I had a bit of slip when I first set them up, and like Marc it was cured by
good solid tightening. Great bar.

On Monday, June 18, 2012 8:42:51 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:

I haven't ridden alot with them, anyone experience this first hand? I did
have them on my AHH for about 30 miles before I sold it and I am at 250lbs,
not experience any issues personally.
On Jun 18, 2012 6:32 PM, Rivendell j...@rivbike.com wrote:

Hi Bosco Bar Buyer-Rider,

We’ve ridden our own Bosco bars cruising on smooth roads and bouncing
down bumpy trails without incident, but two riders have complained that
their bar slips in the stem, and that’s what this letter is about.
We don’t want, and NITTO especially doesn’t want any faint whiff of a
problem, and so want to call this to your attention, and offer some options
going forward.

Option 1: Return the bar for replacement (you’ll have to wait a bit).
.
Being riders and bike-workers ourselves, of course we know that it’s not
a simple matter of boxing up the bar. You may have to strip stuff off the
bar; maybe even cork grips. You may have paid a local guy to rig up your
bars, and now you’ll have to do that again. There’s a limit to the
complication, but even minimally, it is not nothing. We recognize that and
will compensate you a way that seems fair to us.

If you want a new bar and can wait a month or six weeks for it, do this:

1. Send us back your bar. We’re not going to send you a box or
packing material; you’re going to have to do that part yourself. You pay
the freight, but before you let your blood boil, read further and see how
we’ll compensate you.
(Alternatively, send us a digital image of the bars sawed in half. This
would be a shame, since the bars are still super, but it’s an option, and
no points off for taking it.)
2. When we get the new Bosco bars in, we’ll replace them. It may be
a month. It may be six weeks. It may be less than that, but give us up to 6
weeks before calling, please.
3. If you also bought and glued on cork grips, we’ll replace them.
Other grips will likely be removable without destroying them.
4. For your trouble and our own penalty, we’ll offer you a $70
credit on your account.

Option 2: Refund (not much waiting)
Want to go this way? Send us the bar. We’ll refund you with a check or
credit. If you want a check, we’ll make it for $20 more than your purchase
price. If you want a credit, we’ll make it for $40 more than your purchase
price.

Option 3: Keeping it.
Since there is nothing defective about the bar, and it’s simply a matter
of slight slippage if it’s not tight enough and you come down on the grips
hard, this is a viable option. And it’s not a dangerous one. The bars are
strong. If you ride heavy and lean hard and bouncy on the bars AND don’t
snug them enough, the bar may move. Big deal---you loosen it, re-set the
angle, and snug ‘er up again.

The thing with bicycles and mechanics is that anybody with a wrench can
get in the game. Some people are careful, some are the opposite. You learn
not to break bolts by breaking or stripping a few, and you learn to tighten
enough by not tightening enough. It’s really the only way. But IN the
learning there is risk, and we want to eliminate as much of that as
possible.

You know yourself better than we know you. If you’ve greased the bar
bulge or stem, we’d say wipe ‘em off. In the old days, and even in some
books, the word was to grease the connections. We don’t do that anymore,
unless there’s a creak, and creaks are rare.

There are about 80 Bosco bars out there now. Statistically, we expect
five of the 80 customers to think our offer isn’t generous enough. We
understand that ideally, we’d be able to make this happen for you while you
slept or at ice cream; but that is impossible—and so we’ve come up with
options that sound fair to us. If none sound fair to you, please contact us
directly and let us know what we can do, and we’ll try again.

We’d like to wrap this up soon, so we’re asking you to respond by June 25.
But why not now? Think it over. All options are winners. If you delay,
you may forget.

If you choose to send back a bar for cash or credit send to

BOSCO RUBBE
Rivendell Bicycle Works
2040 N. Main St. #19
Walnut Creek, Ca 94596

Include your name and if possible invoice number from your bosco order.
Please also write a note explaining which option you’d like and any other
pertinent info.

Also include your shipping address. There will be no invoices, just
sticking labels on the boxes.

Please send responses to j...@rivbike.com.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Bosco Bars

2012-06-19 Thread Mark Chandler


This stuff will usually stop slipping components:
http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=30551
  

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[RBW] Re: Bosco Bars

2012-06-19 Thread Peter F

I just installed them on my Atlantis. I did find I had to crank the clamp 
down a lot harder than with other bars or else they slipped if I put too 
much weight on the end. It seems to be holding for the moment in my 26mm 
10cm Nitto stem with shims.  But I've found the 10cm extension too short 
and just ordered the 13cm/25.4 stem instead. I'm wondering if that may be a 
better fit. 

The Boscos are certainly very comfortable bars and provide a wider range of 
riding positions than any other bars I've seen. With the bar-end shifters 
in, they do come back a bit farther than I'd like. We'll see if the 13cm 
stem helps that. Otherwise, I'll probably move the shifters up onto 
thumbies. 

Riv is certainly offering decent options to solve the problem. I appreciate 
their abundance of caution.

Peter
NYC


On Monday, June 18, 2012 8:42:51 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:

 I haven't ridden alot with them, anyone experience this first hand? I did 
 have them on my AHH for about 30 miles before I sold it and I am at 250lbs, 
 not experience any issues personally.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Bosco Bars

2012-06-19 Thread Robert F. Harrison

Unfortunately my bars arrived well before my bike will arrive. I've got a
Hunq shipping July that I'd planned to put the bars on. That'll be well
after the deadline of June 25. I'm undecided on whether I should take one
of the options or simply let it go and hope for the best. It sounds like
most folks can get them tight with some extra tightening.

Maybe I'll go with the option of forgetting, then shrug and get over it
when my bike arrives. :-)

Aloha,

Bob



 On Jun 18, 2012 6:32 PM, Rivendell j...@rivbike.com wrote:

 Hi Bosco Bar Buyer-Rider,

 We’ve ridden our own Bosco bars cruising on smooth roads and bouncing
 down bumpy trails without incident, but two riders have complained that
 their bar slips in the stem, and that’s what this letter is about.
 We don’t want, and NITTO especially doesn’t want any faint whiff of a
 problem, and so want to call this to your attention, and offer some options
 going forward.

 Option 1: Return the bar for replacement (you’ll have to wait a bit).
 .
 Being riders and bike-workers ourselves, of course we know that it’s not
 a simple matter of boxing up the bar. You may have to strip stuff off the
 bar; maybe even cork grips. You may have paid a local guy to rig up your
 bars, and now you’ll have to do that again. There’s a limit to the
 complication, but even minimally, it is not nothing. We recognize that and
 will compensate you a way that seems fair to us.

 If you want a new bar and can wait a month or six weeks for it, do this:

 1.  Send us back your bar. We’re not going to send you a box or
 packing material; you’re going to have to do that part yourself. You pay
 the freight, but before you let your blood boil, read further and see how
 we’ll compensate you.
 (Alternatively, send us a digital image of the bars sawed in half. This
 would be a shame, since the bars are still super, but it’s an option, and
 no points off for taking it.)
 2.  When we get the new Bosco bars in, we’ll replace them. It may be
 a month. It may be six weeks. It may be less than that, but give us up to 6
 weeks before calling, please.
 3.  If you also bought and glued on cork grips, we’ll replace them.
 Other grips will likely be removable without destroying them.
 4.  For your trouble and our own penalty, we’ll offer you a $70
 credit on your account.


 Option 2: Refund (not much waiting)
  Want to go this way? Send us the bar. We’ll refund you with a check or
 credit. If you want a check, we’ll make it for $20 more than your purchase
 price. If you want a credit, we’ll make it for $40 more than your purchase
 price.

 Option 3: Keeping it.
 Since there is nothing defective about the bar, and it’s simply a matter
 of slight slippage if it’s not tight enough and you come down on the grips
 hard, this is a viable option. And it’s not a dangerous one. The bars are
 strong. If you ride heavy and lean hard and bouncy on the bars AND don’t
 snug them enough, the bar may move. Big deal---you loosen it, re-set the
 angle, and snug ‘er up again.

 The thing with bicycles and mechanics is that anybody with a wrench can
 get in the game. Some people are careful, some are the opposite. You learn
 not to break bolts by breaking or stripping a few, and you learn to tighten
 enough by not tightening enough. It’s really the only way. But IN the
 learning there is risk, and we want to eliminate as much of that as
 possible.

 You know yourself better than we know you. If you’ve greased the bar
 bulge or stem, we’d say wipe ‘em off. In the old days, and even in some
 books, the word was to grease  the connections. We don’t do that anymore,
 unless there’s a creak, and creaks are rare.

 There are about 80 Bosco bars out there now. Statistically, we expect
 five of the 80 customers to think our offer isn’t generous enough. We
 understand that ideally, we’d be able to make this happen for you while you
 slept or at ice cream; but that is impossible—and so we’ve come up with
 options that sound fair to us. If none sound fair to you, please contact us
 directly and let us know what we can do, and we’ll try again.

 We’d like to wrap this up soon, so we’re asking you to respond by June 25.
 But why not now? Think it over. All options are winners. If you delay,
 you may forget.



 If you choose to send back a bar for cash or credit send to

 BOSCO RUBBE
 Rivendell Bicycle Works
 2040 N. Main St. #19
 Walnut Creek, Ca 94596

 Include your name and if possible invoice number from your bosco order.
 Please also write a note explaining which option you’d like and any other
 pertinent info.

 Also include your shipping address. There will be no invoices, just
 sticking labels on the boxes.

 Please send responses to j...@rivbike.com.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Bosco Bars

2012-06-19 Thread Marc Irwin

Bob, 
I would just call John and let him know, they are really reasonable to 
work with.  I don't have a problem since I re-tightened them on my 
Hillborne, but  if I wanted to use them on my Hunq for any rough stuff, I 
would consider the Bullmoose option, extra weight, extra leverage, rough 
terrain...you see my point.

Marc

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:19:51 PM UTC-4, Statrixbob wrote:

 Unfortunately my bars arrived well before my bike will arrive. I've got a 
 Hunq shipping July that I'd planned to put the bars on. That'll be well 
 after the deadline of June 25. I'm undecided on whether I should take one 
 of the options or simply let it go and hope for the best. It sounds like 
 most folks can get them tight with some extra tightening. 

 Maybe I'll go with the option of forgetting, then shrug and get over it 
 when my bike arrives. :-)

 Aloha, 

 Bob



  On Jun 18, 2012 6:32 PM, Rivendell j...@rivbike.com wrote:

 Hi Bosco Bar Buyer-Rider,

 We’ve ridden our own Bosco bars cruising on smooth roads and bouncing 
 down bumpy trails without incident, but two riders have complained that 
 their bar slips in the stem, and that’s what this letter is about.
 We don’t want, and NITTO especially doesn’t want any faint whiff of a 
 problem, and so want to call this to your attention, and offer some options 
 going forward.

 Option 1: Return the bar for replacement (you’ll have to wait a bit).
 .
 Being riders and bike-workers ourselves, of course we know that it’s not 
 a simple matter of boxing up the bar. You may have to strip stuff off the 
 bar; maybe even cork grips. You may have paid a local guy to rig up your 
 bars, and now you’ll have to do that again. There’s a limit to the 
 complication, but even minimally, it is not nothing. We recognize that and 
 will compensate you a way that seems fair to us.

 If you want a new bar and can wait a month or six weeks for it, do this:

 1.  Send us back your bar. We’re not going to send you a box or 
 packing material; you’re going to have to do that part yourself. You pay 
 the freight, but before you let your blood boil, read further and see how 
 we’ll compensate you.
 (Alternatively, send us a digital image of the bars sawed in half. This 
 would be a shame, since the bars are still super, but it’s an option, and 
 no points off for taking it.)
 2.  When we get the new Bosco bars in, we’ll replace them. It may be 
 a month. It may be six weeks. It may be less than that, but give us up to 6 
 weeks before calling, please.
 3.  If you also bought and glued on cork grips, we’ll replace them. 
 Other grips will likely be removable without destroying them.
 4.  For your trouble and our own penalty, we’ll offer you a $70 
 credit on your account.


 Option 2: Refund (not much waiting)
  Want to go this way? Send us the bar. We’ll refund you with a check or 
 credit. If you want a check, we’ll make it for $20 more than your purchase 
 price. If you want a credit, we’ll make it for $40 more than your purchase 
 price.

 Option 3: Keeping it.
 Since there is nothing defective about the bar, and it’s simply a matter 
 of slight slippage if it’s not tight enough and you come down on the grips 
 hard, this is a viable option. And it’s not a dangerous one. The bars are 
 strong. If you ride heavy and lean hard and bouncy on the bars AND don’t 
 snug them enough, the bar may move. Big deal---you loosen it, re-set the 
 angle, and snug ‘er up again.

 The thing with bicycles and mechanics is that anybody with a wrench can 
 get in the game. Some people are careful, some are the opposite. You learn 
 not to break bolts by breaking or stripping a few, and you learn to tighten 
 enough by not tightening enough. It’s really the only way. But IN the 
 learning there is risk, and we want to eliminate as much of that as 
 possible.

 You know yourself better than we know you. If you’ve greased the bar 
 bulge or stem, we’d say wipe ‘em off. In the old days, and even in some 
 books, the word was to grease  the connections. We don’t do that anymore, 
 unless there’s a creak, and creaks are rare.

 There are about 80 Bosco bars out there now. Statistically, we expect 
 five of the 80 customers to think our offer isn’t generous enough. We 
 understand that ideally, we’d be able to make this happen for you while you 
 slept or at ice cream; but that is impossible—and so we’ve come up with 
 options that sound fair to us. If none sound fair to you, please contact us 
 directly and let us know what we can do, and we’ll try again.

 We’d like to wrap this up soon, so we’re asking you to respond by June 
 25.
 But why not now? Think it over. All options are winners. If you delay, 
 you may forget.



 If you choose to send back a bar for cash or credit send to

 BOSCO RUBBE
 Rivendell Bicycle Works
 2040 N. Main St. #19
 Walnut Creek, Ca 94596

 Include your name and if possible invoice number from your bosco order. 
 Please also write a note explaining which

[RBW] Re: Bosco Bars

2012-06-18 Thread Peter Morgano

Hi Bosco Bar Buyer-Rider,

We’ve ridden our own Bosco bars cruising on smooth roads and bouncing down
bumpy trails without incident, but two riders have complained that their
bar slips in the stem, and that’s what this letter is about.
We don’t want, and NITTO especially doesn’t want any faint whiff of a
problem, and so want to call this to your attention, and offer some options
going forward.

Option 1: Return the bar for replacement (you’ll have to wait a bit).
.
Being riders and bike-workers ourselves, of course we know that it’s not a
simple matter of boxing up the bar. You may have to strip stuff off the
bar; maybe even cork grips. You may have paid a local guy to rig up your
bars, and now you’ll have to do that again. There’s a limit to the
complication, but even minimally, it is not nothing. We recognize that and
will compensate you a way that seems fair to us.

If you want a new bar and can wait a month or six weeks for it, do this:

1. Send us back your bar. We’re not going to send you a box or
packing material; you’re going to have to do that part yourself. You pay
the freight, but before you let your blood boil, read further and see how
we’ll compensate you.
(Alternatively, send us a digital image of the bars sawed in half. This
would be a shame, since the bars are still super, but it’s an option, and
no points off for taking it.)
2. When we get the new Bosco bars in, we’ll replace them. It may be a
month. It may be six weeks. It may be less than that, but give us up to 6
weeks before calling, please.
3. If you also bought and glued on cork grips, we’ll replace them.
Other grips will likely be removable without destroying them.
4. For your trouble and our own penalty, we’ll offer you a $70 credit
on your account.

You know yourself better than we know you. If you’ve greased the bar bulge
or stem, we’d say wipe ‘em off. In the old days, and even in some books,
the word was to grease the connections. We don’t do that anymore, unless
there’s a creak, and creaks are rare.

There are about 80 Bosco bars out there now. Statistically, we expect five
of the 80 customers to think our offer isn’t generous enough. We understand
that ideally, we’d be able to make this happen for you while you slept or
at ice cream; but that is impossible—and so we’ve come up with options that
sound fair to us. If none sound fair to you, please contact us directly and
let us know what we can do, and we’ll try again.

We’d like to wrap this up soon, so we’re asking you to respond by June 25.
But why not now? Think it over. All options are winners. If you delay, you
may forget.

If you choose to send back a bar for cash or credit send to

BOSCO RUBBE
Rivendell Bicycle Works
2040 N. Main St. #19
Walnut Creek, Ca 94596

Include your name and if possible invoice number from your bosco order.
Please also write a note explaining which option you’d like and any other
pertinent info.

Also include your shipping address. There will be no invoices, just
sticking labels on the boxes.

Please send responses to j...@rivbike.com.

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[RBW] Re: Bosco Bars

2012-06-18 Thread Marc Irwin

I had a problem with it under certain conditions, like if I got clumsy and 
leaned all my weight on the ends of the bars.  I wasn't too surprised. 
The sweep on those bars creates a lot of leverage.  I have retightened them 
a couple of times.  The last time, I increased the leverage of the Allen 
wrench by using a steel tube over it to give me 2 feet of additional 
leverage.  I was able to ease another 1/2 turn to the bolt beyond what I 
could by hand.  I doubt that I will have any other problem.  Like I said, I 
wasn't surprised those bars create a lot of leverage and simply need to be 
tightened more than others. The comfort is well worth the extra turn of a 
wrench.   If I was worried about it, I would go to the Bullmoose.

Marc

On Monday, June 18, 2012 8:42:51 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:

 I haven't ridden alot with them, anyone experience this first hand? I did 
 have them on my AHH for about 30 miles before I sold it and I am at 250lbs, 
 not experience any issues personally. 
 On Jun 18, 2012 6:32 PM, Rivendell j...@rivbike.com wrote:

 Hi Bosco Bar Buyer-Rider,

 We’ve ridden our own Bosco bars cruising on smooth roads and bouncing 
 down bumpy trails without incident, but two riders have complained that 
 their bar slips in the stem, and that’s what this letter is about.
 We don’t want, and NITTO especially doesn’t want any faint whiff of a 
 problem, and so want to call this to your attention, and offer some options 
 going forward.

 Option 1: Return the bar for replacement (you’ll have to wait a bit).
 .
 Being riders and bike-workers ourselves, of course we know that it’s not 
 a simple matter of boxing up the bar. You may have to strip stuff off the 
 bar; maybe even cork grips. You may have paid a local guy to rig up your 
 bars, and now you’ll have to do that again. There’s a limit to the 
 complication, but even minimally, it is not nothing. We recognize that and 
 will compensate you a way that seems fair to us.

 If you want a new bar and can wait a month or six weeks for it, do this:

 1.  Send us back your bar. We’re not going to send you a box or 
 packing material; you’re going to have to do that part yourself. You pay 
 the freight, but before you let your blood boil, read further and see how 
 we’ll compensate you.
 (Alternatively, send us a digital image of the bars sawed in half. This 
 would be a shame, since the bars are still super, but it’s an option, and 
 no points off for taking it.)
 2.  When we get the new Bosco bars in, we’ll replace them. It may be 
 a month. It may be six weeks. It may be less than that, but give us up to 6 
 weeks before calling, please.
 3.  If you also bought and glued on cork grips, we’ll replace them. 
 Other grips will likely be removable without destroying them.
 4.  For your trouble and our own penalty, we’ll offer you a $70 
 credit on your account.


 Option 2: Refund (not much waiting)
  Want to go this way? Send us the bar. We’ll refund you with a check or 
 credit. If you want a check, we’ll make it for $20 more than your purchase 
 price. If you want a credit, we’ll make it for $40 more than your purchase 
 price.

 Option 3: Keeping it.
 Since there is nothing defective about the bar, and it’s simply a matter 
 of slight slippage if it’s not tight enough and you come down on the grips 
 hard, this is a viable option. And it’s not a dangerous one. The bars are 
 strong. If you ride heavy and lean hard and bouncy on the bars AND don’t 
 snug them enough, the bar may move. Big deal---you loosen it, re-set the 
 angle, and snug ‘er up again.

 The thing with bicycles and mechanics is that anybody with a wrench can 
 get in the game. Some people are careful, some are the opposite. You learn 
 not to break bolts by breaking or stripping a few, and you learn to tighten 
 enough by not tightening enough. It’s really the only way. But IN the 
 learning there is risk, and we want to eliminate as much of that as 
 possible.

 You know yourself better than we know you. If you’ve greased the bar 
 bulge or stem, we’d say wipe ‘em off. In the old days, and even in some 
 books, the word was to grease  the connections. We don’t do that anymore, 
 unless there’s a creak, and creaks are rare.

 There are about 80 Bosco bars out there now. Statistically, we expect 
 five of the 80 customers to think our offer isn’t generous enough. We 
 understand that ideally, we’d be able to make this happen for you while you 
 slept or at ice cream; but that is impossible—and so we’ve come up with 
 options that sound fair to us. If none sound fair to you, please contact us 
 directly and let us know what we can do, and we’ll try again.

 We’d like to wrap this up soon, so we’re asking you to respond by June 25.
 But why not now? Think it over. All options are winners. If you delay, 
 you may forget.



 If you choose to send back a bar for cash or credit send to

 BOSCO RUBBE
 Rivendell Bicycle Works
 2040 N. Main St. #19
 Walnut Creek, Ca 94596

Re: [RBW] Re: Bosco Bars

2012-06-18 Thread Peter Morgano

I guess next time I offer them up in with use my ratchet set to get more
torque than I usually put into bike stuff.  I doubt it will be an issue
long term.  Hate to waste an awesome set of bars.
On Jun 18, 2012 10:03 PM, Marc Irwin irwin7...@gmail.com wrote:

 I had a problem with it under certain conditions, like if I got clumsy and
 leaned all my weight on the ends of the bars.  I wasn't too surprised.
 The sweep on those bars creates a lot of leverage.  I have retightened
 them a couple of times.  The last time, I increased the leverage of the
 Allen wrench by using a steel tube over it to give me 2 feet of additional
 leverage.  I was able to ease another 1/2 turn to the bolt beyond what I
 could by hand.  I doubt that I will have any other problem.  Like I said, I
 wasn't surprised those bars create a lot of leverage and simply need to be
 tightened more than others. The comfort is well worth the extra turn of a
 wrench.   If I was worried about it, I would go to the Bullmoose.

 Marc

 On Monday, June 18, 2012 8:42:51 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:

 I haven't ridden alot with them, anyone experience this first hand? I did
 have them on my AHH for about 30 miles before I sold it and I am at 250lbs,
 not experience any issues personally.
 On Jun 18, 2012 6:32 PM, Rivendell j...@rivbike.com wrote:

 Hi Bosco Bar Buyer-Rider,

 We’ve ridden our own Bosco bars cruising on smooth roads and bouncing
 down bumpy trails without incident, but two riders have complained that
 their bar slips in the stem, and that’s what this letter is about.
 We don’t want, and NITTO especially doesn’t want any faint whiff of a
 problem, and so want to call this to your attention, and offer some options
 going forward.

 Option 1: Return the bar for replacement (you’ll have to wait a bit).
 .
 Being riders and bike-workers ourselves, of course we know that it’s not
 a simple matter of boxing up the bar. You may have to strip stuff off the
 bar; maybe even cork grips. You may have paid a local guy to rig up your
 bars, and now you’ll have to do that again. There’s a limit to the
 complication, but even minimally, it is not nothing. We recognize that and
 will compensate you a way that seems fair to us.

 If you want a new bar and can wait a month or six weeks for it, do this:

 1.  Send us back your bar. We’re not going to send you a box or
 packing material; you’re going to have to do that part yourself. You pay
 the freight, but before you let your blood boil, read further and see how
 we’ll compensate you.
 (Alternatively, send us a digital image of the bars sawed in half. This
 would be a shame, since the bars are still super, but it’s an option, and
 no points off for taking it.)
 2.  When we get the new Bosco bars in, we’ll replace them. It may be
 a month. It may be six weeks. It may be less than that, but give us up to 6
 weeks before calling, please.
 3.  If you also bought and glued on cork grips, we’ll replace them.
 Other grips will likely be removable without destroying them.
 4.  For your trouble and our own penalty, we’ll offer you a $70
 credit on your account.


 Option 2: Refund (not much waiting)
  Want to go this way? Send us the bar. We’ll refund you with a check or
 credit. If you want a check, we’ll make it for $20 more than your purchase
 price. If you want a credit, we’ll make it for $40 more than your purchase
 price.

 Option 3: Keeping it.
 Since there is nothing defective about the bar, and it’s simply a matter
 of slight slippage if it’s not tight enough and you come down on the grips
 hard, this is a viable option. And it’s not a dangerous one. The bars are
 strong. If you ride heavy and lean hard and bouncy on the bars AND don’t
 snug them enough, the bar may move. Big deal---you loosen it, re-set the
 angle, and snug ‘er up again.

 The thing with bicycles and mechanics is that anybody with a wrench can
 get in the game. Some people are careful, some are the opposite. You learn
 not to break bolts by breaking or stripping a few, and you learn to tighten
 enough by not tightening enough. It’s really the only way. But IN the
 learning there is risk, and we want to eliminate as much of that as
 possible.

 You know yourself better than we know you. If you’ve greased the bar
 bulge or stem, we’d say wipe ‘em off. In the old days, and even in some
 books, the word was to grease  the connections. We don’t do that anymore,
 unless there’s a creak, and creaks are rare.

 There are about 80 Bosco bars out there now. Statistically, we expect
 five of the 80 customers to think our offer isn’t generous enough. We
 understand that ideally, we’d be able to make this happen for you while you
 slept or at ice cream; but that is impossible—and so we’ve come up with
 options that sound fair to us. If none sound fair to you, please contact us
 directly and let us know what we can do, and we’ll try again.

 We’d like to wrap this up soon, so we’re asking you to respond by June
 25.
 But why not now?

[RBW] Re: Bosco Bars

2012-06-04 Thread Marc Irwin

I'm going to use the VO elkhide, I have it on my Hunq and really like the 
feel.  I just rub it down with Mink Oil paste occassionally.

Marc

On Monday, June 4, 2012 9:42:07 AM UTC-4, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote:

 I like 'em bare but have considered covering them as well. Is there a 
 particular brand of leather you'd use? 

 I've used VO's Elkhide on another bar, which is definitely a good value 
 but, though treated, isn't perfectly beautiful after significant sun  
 rain. (My commute means parking outside.) It's faded and a little raw and 
 blotchy. I just wonder if any particular brand of leather is more weather 
 resistant / durable than others.

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean



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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars have arrived...

2012-05-31 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean

The Bosco has arrived (non-'moose)! Tomorrow I build it up and incorporate it 
into the cockpit rotation. Wood grips, stem shifters, love levers, nekkid bar 
(for now; probably shellacked Newbaum's later). Pictures will come forth.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bosco bars have arrived...

2012-05-26 Thread Olivier Chetelat

Bosco installed.
I went on an extremely windy nocturnal test. The bar is very comfortable.
It brings the hands upwards by what seems a few inches and closer to the
saddle by a few inches, times two or three. So far back that tight turns
are becoming awkward  due to the extension of the bar end shifters poking
in the knees/calfs.
Snap, work gets in the way... more reporting soon.

Here is a visual:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/7268619180/

Cheers,

o

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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars have arrived...

2012-05-25 Thread Marc Irwin

Mine are in the hands of UPS scheduled for delivery on Wednesday with my 
new Hillborne frame.  It's just the day before I'm heading to Nashville for 
the Harpeth River Ride with a group.
Marc

On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:17:28 PM UTC-4, Andrew Letton wrote:

 Just got an email from RBWWHQ saying that Bosco has landed!
 Get 'em while you can!
 cheers,
 Andrew


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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars have arrived...

2012-05-25 Thread William

To all Bosco Patrons:

I saw some very attractive Bosco Rubbe T-Shirts at Riv HQ yesterday.  I 
bought a shirt even though I don't own the bars (or the bike).  It's an 
American Apparel SS shirt in a mossy green and it says Bosco Rubbe Junior 
College est 1994.  Call Riv up and ask them to sell you one.  

Bill

On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 4:17:28 PM UTC-7, Andrew Letton wrote:

 Just got an email from RBWWHQ saying that Bosco has landed!
 Get 'em while you can!
 cheers,
 Andrew


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Re: [RBW] Re: Bosco bars have arrived...

2012-05-25 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

They're up on the site.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 25, 2012, at 1:56 PM, William
tapebu...@gmail.commailto:tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

To all Bosco Patrons:

I saw some very attractive Bosco Rubbe T-Shirts at Riv HQ yesterday. I bought
a shirt even though I don't own the bars (or the bike). It's an American
Apparel SS shirt in a mossy green and it says Bosco Rubbe Junior College est
1994. Call Riv up and ask them to sell you one.

Bill

On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 4:17:28 PM UTC-7, Andrew Letton wrote:
Just got an email from RBWWHQ saying that Bosco has landed!
Get 'em while you can!
cheers,
Andrew

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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars have arrived...

2012-05-25 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean

Alas! Alack!
 
It's a good thing I'm well-stocked with RBW T-shirts of various 
colors/printages/sleeve-lengths. The switch to the shirts they sell now 
means XXL will no longer work for me; thus I think my RBW T-shirt-buying 
days are consigned to history.
 
Otherwise, I might make sure my first ride with the Bosco bar (scheduled 
for next week) would be whilst wearing a Bosco Rubbe shirt.
 
I'm interested in seeing how long a stem I need to accommodate the 
hand-grip position. I think I'll do what I need to do to avoid having to 
truncate the bar. I won't be using bar-end shifters... either stem or SOS. 
I'll start with an 10cm or 11cm stem, one of which I have available. (I'm 
happy with an 11cm or 10cm with my Albatross bar.) While I understand the 
Bosco comes back further than the Albatross, it's also true that I'll sink 
the stem more due to the massive rise of the Bosco, so the position that 
the Bosco comes back *from* will be slightly farther forward. I haven't 
done the figurin' so I don't know how much mitigation that'll provide. I'd 
rather just see. I don't need it to be just like my Albatross; I just want 
not to feel penned in. Variety is nice!
 
Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Friday, May 25, 2012 12:56:51 PM UTC-5, William wrote:

 To all Bosco Patrons:

 I saw some very attractive Bosco Rubbe T-Shirts at Riv HQ yesterday.  I 
 bought a shirt even though I don't own the bars (or the bike).  It's an 
 American Apparel SS shirt in a mossy green and it says Bosco Rubbe Junior 
 College est 1994.  Call Riv up and ask them to sell you one.  

 Bill

 On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 4:17:28 PM UTC-7, Andrew Letton wrote:

 Just got an email from RBWWHQ saying that Bosco has landed!
 Get 'em while you can!
 cheers,
 Andrew



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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars have arrived...

2012-05-25 Thread William

Photos to prove the shirts happened:

http://rivbike.tumblr.com/ 

Scroll downish.  Lots of you probably saw this when it was new.  I'd missed 
it.  

On Friday, May 25, 2012 1:07:27 PM UTC-7, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote:

 Alas! Alack!
  
 It's a good thing I'm well-stocked with RBW T-shirts of various 
 colors/printages/sleeve-lengths. The switch to the shirts they sell now 
 means XXL will no longer work for me; thus I think my RBW T-shirt-buying 
 days are consigned to history.
  
 Otherwise, I might make sure my first ride with the Bosco bar (scheduled 
 for next week) would be whilst wearing a Bosco Rubbe shirt.
  
 I'm interested in seeing how long a stem I need to accommodate the 
 hand-grip position. I think I'll do what I need to do to avoid having to 
 truncate the bar. I won't be using bar-end shifters... either stem or SOS. 
 I'll start with an 10cm or 11cm stem, one of which I have available. (I'm 
 happy with an 11cm or 10cm with my Albatross bar.) While I understand the 
 Bosco comes back further than the Albatross, it's also true that I'll sink 
 the stem more due to the massive rise of the Bosco, so the position that 
 the Bosco comes back *from* will be slightly farther forward. I haven't 
 done the figurin' so I don't know how much mitigation that'll provide. I'd 
 rather just see. I don't need it to be just like my Albatross; I just want 
 not to feel penned in. Variety is nice!
  
 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean

 On Friday, May 25, 2012 12:56:51 PM UTC-5, William wrote:

 To all Bosco Patrons:

 I saw some very attractive Bosco Rubbe T-Shirts at Riv HQ yesterday.  I 
 bought a shirt even though I don't own the bars (or the bike).  It's an 
 American Apparel SS shirt in a mossy green and it says Bosco Rubbe Junior 
 College est 1994.  Call Riv up and ask them to sell you one.  

 Bill

 On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 4:17:28 PM UTC-7, Andrew Letton wrote:

 Just got an email from RBWWHQ saying that Bosco has landed!
 Get 'em while you can!
 cheers,
 Andrew



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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars have arrived...

2012-05-24 Thread Marc Irwin

I had mine added to my Hillborne pre-order a couple of weeks ago, I feel 
lucky they both in at the same time, I hope I'm riding it next week!

Marc

On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:17:28 PM UTC-4, Andrew Letton wrote:

 Just got an email from RBWWHQ saying that Bosco has landed!
 Get 'em while you can!
 cheers,
 Andrew


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Re: [RBW] Re: Bosco bars have arrived...

2012-05-24 Thread Olivier Chetelat

Friends of fine cycles,
I made a slight detour on my way to work this morning and picked up a bar
from the Bosco kind at the Rivendell HQ. The aluminum model measuring 58cm.
It will grace a 64 cm Atlantis with a 62 cm top tube. I'm looking forward
to the reduced distance between grips and saddle and the few inches of
additional rise.
The bosco will replace a well loved Albatross this evening. I will document
the process and post a link on this thread as well as first impressions.

May you all have a sunny day,

Olivier



On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Marc Irwin irwin7...@gmail.com wrote:

 I had mine added to my Hillborne pre-order a couple of weeks ago, I feel
 lucky they both in at the same time, I hope I'm riding it next week!

 Marc


 On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:17:28 PM UTC-4, Andrew Letton wrote:

 Just got an email from RBWWHQ saying that Bosco has landed!
 Get 'em while you can!
 cheers,
 Andrew

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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars - different flares?

2012-04-02 Thread grant

They all flare a little---if 90 deg reps zero flare (parallel), then
the bars are about 82 deg. We've yet to get the 55's in, but the plan
was to keep the flare and shrink the flat part nexto the stem (by
1.5cm per side). That'll still leave handroom, especially for the
diminutive, tiny-fingered, well-manicured female hand we envision
clutching them, and yetnot to narrow for a fat hand, either. It's
really a come one, come all bar...and yes to the bar-end shifters!
g

On Apr 1, 3:04 pm, BSWP ashtab...@gmail.com wrote:
 I saw the new Bosco bars on the RBW site... the pictures give the
 impression that some of the bars have parallel grips, and some have
 wide flared grips. Is this just a trick of the camera lens? Same
 effect can be seen for both the standard bars, and the bullmoose bars.
 Maybe the pictures are a blend of prototype bars?

 For example, compare

 http://www.rivbike.com/PhotoGallery.asp?ProductCode=HB12PhotoNumber=4

 to

 http://www.rivbike.com/PhotoGallery.asp?ProductCode=HB12PhotoNumber=3

 - Andrew, Berkeley

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