[RBW] Re: Brake Squeal
Thanks, Hugh. No squealing before changing the pads or cleaning the rims. Now, I just need to be doing well enough to wrench! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Brake Squeal
Do you have canti-s/center/sidepulls? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Brake Squeal
Whoa whoops, wrong thread! Never mind On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Mark Reimer marknrei...@gmail.com wrote: It's on the Atlantis, so canti's On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have canti-s/center/sidepulls? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/maVvvlDbHNw/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Brake Squeal
It's on the Atlantis, so canti's On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have canti-s/center/sidepulls? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/maVvvlDbHNw/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Brake Squeal
I use the Yokozuna/Mathauser salmons riv sells for the R559 brakes, if you have those brakes. No squeal so far. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Brake Squeal
My experience with Kool Stop salmon pads (which I use on most of my bikes) is that even when the toe-in is set correctly, they squeal when they are new. Usually for the first 10-20 miles. Then they tend to settle in and quiet down. If the toe is set wrong, they will squeal relentlessly. Either they will quiet down shortly on their own, or you just need to tweak the toe-in a bit. Anton On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: Confirming my understanding, which heaven knows I’ve gotten wrong once before. Grin. — Brake squeal is most likely due to insufficient toe-in? — Toe-in should have the front of the brake pads hitting the rim first. I just changed the Hunqapiller’s pads with the same Kool-stop salmon pads, and now have squeal in the front pad. I’d lessened the toe-in on it because it looked excessive. With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Brake Squeal
Thanks, Tim! Since nothing else was adjusted, I'll presume my moron mechanic eliminated too much toe-in! Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 11:47:53 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: Confirming my understanding, which heaven knows I’ve gotten wrong once before. Grin. — Brake squeal is most likely due to insufficient toe-in? — Toe-in should have the front of the brake pads hitting the rim first. I just changed the Hunqapiller’s pads with the same Kool-stop salmon pads, and now have squeal in the front pad. I’d lessened the toe-in on it because it looked excessive. With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Brake Squeal
My 'tool' for toe-in has always been a biz card/credit card. Just thick enough to angle it in. On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 1:24:22 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thanks, Tim! Since nothing else was adjusted, I'll presume my moron mechanic eliminated too much toe-in! Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 11:47:53 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: Confirming my understanding, which heaven knows I’ve gotten wrong once before. Grin. — Brake squeal is most likely due to insufficient toe-in? — Toe-in should have the front of the brake pads hitting the rim first. I just changed the Hunqapiller’s pads with the same Kool-stop salmon pads, and now have squeal in the front pad. I’d lessened the toe-in on it because it looked excessive. With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Brake Squeal
FWIW, the Salmons on my Rivs squeal under hard braking when temps dip much below 50*F. At 60*F, no squeal. Single pivot calipers, but top end ones. And this phenomenon started only a year or 2 ago -- never saw it before. Sanding pads and cleaning rims don't stop it, tho' it mitigates it. These same pads did squeal when new to these same rims (new pads, old rims; Sun M14A and ME14A respectively) but it took only a month or so for them to mate. Fronts -- both bikes have only front brakes. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Anton Tutter atut...@gmail.com wrote: My experience with Kool Stop salmon pads (which I use on most of my bikes) is that even when the toe-in is set correctly, they squeal when they are new. Usually for the first 10-20 miles. Then they tend to settle in and quiet down. If the toe is set wrong, they will squeal relentlessly. Either they will quiet down shortly on their own, or you just need to tweak the toe-in a bit. Anton -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Brake Squeal
Huh. I did clean my rims, for the first time ever. Perhaps that was a mistake. Grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Brake Squeal
I don't toe in. I loosen the shoes and I just press the pads flat against the rims at the same time. I use a small bungee cord to hold the brake lever down to hold pads against rim simultaneously while I adjust the shoes up and down tilt/height against the braking surface of the rim 'til I get it them where I want them and then tighten down. If they squeal, which they normally don't do, I throw some water on them and ride. They bed in fast usually with just a quick ride, and for some reason getting them wet makes the squeal go away. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Brake Squeal
Heaven knows these have gotten plenty wet, between creek crossings, snow, and meltoff. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 1:00:54 PM UTC-6, Lungimsam wrote: I don't toe in. I loosen the shoes and I just press the pads flat against the rims at the same time. I use a small bungee cord to hold the brake lever down to hold pads against rim simultaneously while I adjust the shoes up and down tilt/height against the braking surface of the rim 'til I get it them where I want them and then tighten down. If they squeal, which they normally don't do, I throw some water on them and ride. They bed in fast usually with just a quick ride, and for some reason getting them wet makes the squeal go away. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Brake Squeal
Deacon, I had this same problem with my slimline koolstop Salmon pads mounted on my Atlantis. I decided to replace them with new http://www.koolstop.com/english/supra2.html I went with a shorter pad because I felt it would be easier to toe, for me that proved to be the case. I agree with John about using Grant's trick of securing the brakes to the rim during adjustment, I however disagree with sanding rims and pads. Beyond the toe issue the main culprit is dirty rim surface and brake pad surface. I'm assuming here that you decided to replace the pads because of brake squeal in the first place. And since you ride through some pretty rough terrain, snow, mud/dirt and water there has to be a bunch of dirt on your rims. But now even after replacing the pads and cleaning the rim the squeal remains. Like me you assumed it was a toe in issue/mechanic error. A friend advised me to use lacquer thinner and a green scrub pad to clean both rim surface and now that you've used the pads the pads also. The lacquer thinner will not leave a residue and will properly remove the dirt and grease embedded in both surfaces. Don't confuse other types of thinners as my friend advised they are petroleum based and will leave a residue. Lastly, on toe. Really the other poster has it right, just lay the pads flat against the rim snug the nut then do your toe it doesn't need a lot just eye ball it as long as the front meets the rim surface first it'll be fine. Take your time it's like meditation. Let us know how it works out. ~Hugh Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Brake Squeal
If the toe-in is set correctly you can try lightly abraiding the pads with some sandpaper. If your rim has a build up of rubber or dirt abraid them with a scotch bright pad or fine sand paper.Clean all surfaces with alcohol. Hope you get rid of the annoying squeal.:) I know clean is not a word you like to use when referring to bikes( Grin) On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 1:04:02 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: Heaven knows these have gotten plenty wet, between creek crossings, snow, and meltoff. Grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Brake Squeal
Keven had suggested that I use a folded over piece of sandpaper to set toe-in. Depending on the sanding grit (probably greater than 320), I would guess that would put it at about a dime or credit card. I use Grant's trick of hooking a section of innertube around the brake lever to hold it in place while I tighten it down ( http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/108583281029/eleven-geeky-tips-that-will-ever-so-slightly Tip #11). Has worked so far. John On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 11:35:23 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: My 'tool' for toe-in has always been a biz card/credit card. Just thick enough to angle it in. On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 1:24:22 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thanks, Tim! Since nothing else was adjusted, I'll presume my moron mechanic eliminated too much toe-in! Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 11:47:53 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: Confirming my understanding, which heaven knows I’ve gotten wrong once before. Grin. — Brake squeal is most likely due to insufficient toe-in? — Toe-in should have the front of the brake pads hitting the rim first. I just changed the Hunqapiller’s pads with the same Kool-stop salmon pads, and now have squeal in the front pad. I’d lessened the toe-in on it because it looked excessive. With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
