[RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

[Nate in Oakland]

Hey John,
Thanks for the link.  Despite what the numbers say, I'm actually really 
happy with the Berthoud in the current setup.  If I change my mind, I'll 
probably buy the IRD part from Riv when they stock it.

Nate

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 7:21:17 AM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Hi Nate,
>
> Gotcha. My first thought was that I like my Berthoud saddle, but it 
> wouldn't have given me enough room to move back without the S84 seat post.
>
> If you need still more setback with the Berthoud, maybe look into the IRD 
> Wayback Seatpost? Comes in diameters 26.8mm, 27.0mm & 27.2mm.
>
> 
>
> https://www.interlocracing.com/shop/product/ird-seatpost-wayback-2418?search=seatpost
>
> Good luck!
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 9:53:36 PM UTC-7, Nate in Oakland wrote:
>>
>> Hi John, 
>> I currently have the S83 (26.8) on my Atlantis.  I actually own a 
>> beautifully lugged S84, but that lives on my Sam since it is a 27.2 and 
>> won’t fit in my Atlantis’ seat tube.  That’s probably why I don’t have this 
>> issue with my Sam on drop bars! 
>>
>> Andrew, 
>> Gorgeous!  Can’t wait to get Craig’s saddle! 
>>
>> Nate
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Nate,

Gotcha. My first thought was that I like my Berthoud saddle, but it 
wouldn't have given me enough room to move back without the S84 seat post.

If you need still more setback with the Berthoud, maybe look into the IRD 
Wayback Seatpost? Comes in diameters 26.8mm, 27.0mm & 27.2mm.


https://www.interlocracing.com/shop/product/ird-seatpost-wayback-2418?search=seatpost

Good luck!

John




On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 9:53:36 PM UTC-7, Nate in Oakland wrote:
>
> Hi John, 
> I currently have the S83 (26.8) on my Atlantis.  I actually own a 
> beautifully lugged S84, but that lives on my Sam since it is a 27.2 and 
> won’t fit in my Atlantis’ seat tube.  That’s probably why I don’t have this 
> issue with my Sam on drop bars! 
>
> Andrew, 
> Gorgeous!  Can’t wait to get Craig’s saddle! 
>
> Nate

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

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Craig

Just remember to shim the level to center the bubble. 

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 5:35:44 PM UTC-4, Craig Montgomery wrote:
>
> This whole angle app thing is really great. Never knew it existed. Thanks 
> for the tip John. I'm about to become an angle maniac. 
>
> Craig in Tucson
>
> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 8:47 AM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Bill
>> I think those phone apps angle finders are pretty good.  I would just 
>> check using a 2' bubble level.
>>
>> Place the level on a table and shim the level to get the bubble 
>> centered.  Then place the phone on it to see if it reads 0.0°.  I not it 
>> has a small offset you can account for.  You could also check it with a 
>> square on the level and it should read 90° or a 30-60 right drafting 
>> triangle on the level.
>>
>> I zero my Wixely 3000 digitial angle finder on a shimmed level.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 8:51:46 AM UTC-4, Bill Schairer wrote:
>>>
>>> I’ve never paid any attention to STA but all the discussions I’ve seen 
>>> of it has me curious.  I just found this video on an angle finder app for 
>>> smart phones - https://youtu.be/zNuGgBwirQ4 
>>>
>>> I think I’ll have to check it out. 
>>>
>>> Bill S
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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

[Craig Montgomery]

This whole angle app thing is really great. Never knew it existed. Thanks
for the tip John. I'm about to become an angle maniac.

Craig in Tucson

On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 8:47 AM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Bill
> I think those phone apps angle finders are pretty good.  I would just
> check using a 2' bubble level.
>
> Place the level on a table and shim the level to get the bubble centered.
> Then place the phone on it to see if it reads 0.0°.  I not it has a small
> offset you can account for.  You could also check it with a square on the
> level and it should read 90° or a 30-60 right drafting triangle on the
> level.
>
> I zero my Wixely 3000 digitial angle finder on a shimmed level.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
> On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 8:51:46 AM UTC-4, Bill Schairer wrote:
>>
>> I’ve never paid any attention to STA but all the discussions I’ve seen of
>> it has me curious.  I just found this video on an angle finder app for
>> smart phones - https://youtu.be/zNuGgBwirQ4
>>
>> I think I’ll have to check it out.
>>
>> Bill S
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[RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bill
I think those phone apps angle finders are pretty good.  I would just check 
using a 2' bubble level.

Place the level on a table and shim the level to get the bubble centered.  
Then place the phone on it to see if it reads 0.0°.  I not it has a small 
offset you can account for.  You could also check it with a square on the 
level and it should read 90° or a 30-60 right drafting triangle on the 
level.

I zero my Wixely 3000 digitial angle finder on a shimmed level.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 8:51:46 AM UTC-4, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> I’ve never paid any attention to STA but all the discussions I’ve seen of 
> it has me curious.  I just found this video on an angle finder app for 
> smart phones - https://youtu.be/zNuGgBwirQ4 
>
> I think I’ll have to check it out. 
>
> Bill S

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[RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

[Bill Schairer]

I’ve never paid any attention to STA but all the discussions I’ve seen of it 
has me curious.  I just found this video on an angle finder app for smart 
phones - https://youtu.be/zNuGgBwirQ4

I think I’ll have to check it out.

Bill S

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[RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Andrew

Just for reference, do you know the STA of your Atlantis or the frame size 
(looks to be 53cm) and year.  Like to know if it <72°.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 12:36:46 PM UTC-4, Drurad (Sacramento) wrote:
>
> And here's what Craig's saddle will look like on your bike.  Highly 
> recommend.  Plenty of setback for me.   
>
> -Andrew
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

[Nate in Oakland]

Hi John,
I currently have the S83 (26.8) on my Atlantis.  I actually own a beautifully 
lugged S84, but that lives on my Sam since it is a 27.2 and won’t fit in my 
Atlantis’ seat tube.  That’s probably why I don’t have this issue with my Sam 
on drop bars!

Andrew,
Gorgeous!  Can’t wait to get Craig’s saddle!

Nate

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[RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

  First, which seat post do you have on there now?

  If you already like your saddle, I would suggest trying a seat post with 
more set back, such as the lugged Nitto S84 (4cm set back?). I have a Nitto 
S84 under my Berthoud saddle, set all the way back, on my Hunqapillar, with 
a 12cm Nitto NP stem and Albatross bars set at seat height up front. My 
hands gravitate to the forward sections of the bars, so I really like the 
set back on the S84 seat post. But I'm not one to like sitting too upright 
either.

John

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 9:48:08 AM UTC-7, Nate in Oakland wrote:
>
> Hey all!  I just converted my Atlantis to drops and now I’m finding that I 
> can’t get my trusty B17 far enough back for comfort.  I’ve been lusting 
> after/looking for an excuse to buy a Berthoud saddle for a while, and now 
> I’m wondering if one would fix my setback issue.  Someone out there must 
> have experience with both! 
>
> Btw, I know I could get a whacky looking seat post like the one in the 
> Blahg, but would rather not! 
>
> Thanks, 
> Nate

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[RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Craig

Do you how much further back the spin goes than the B17?

I measured the distance in the rails available for travel in a B17 and a VO 
Model 3 and got
VO Mod 3,   8.4cm of total distance
B17, 6.4cm total distance
or the VO had 2.0cm more travel.  Of course the post clamp width affects 
the actual distance the saddle can move.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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[RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

[Nate in Oakland]

What a dream!!! I'm vegan, so I try not to buy new leather saddles but I 
wasn't having any luck on Ebay.  My preferred color too!  I'll DM you.

Nate

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 3:15:15 PM UTC-7, Craig Montgomery wrote:
>
> The answer is yes I have experience with both and yes you can get further 
> back (it's why I converted) on the Berthoud Aspin compared to the B17 and 
> yes I just happen to have a black Aspin for sale in excellent condition for 
> $100 shipped. What else do you want to know? 
>
> Craig in Tucson
>
> [image: GB Berthoud Aspin.JPG]
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 9:48:08 AM UTC-7, Nate in Oakland wrote:
>>
>> Hey all!  I just converted my Atlantis to drops and now I’m finding that 
>> I can’t get my trusty B17 far enough back for comfort.  I’ve been lusting 
>> after/looking for an excuse to buy a Berthoud saddle for a while, and now 
>> I’m wondering if one would fix my setback issue.  Someone out there must 
>> have experience with both! 
>>
>> Btw, I know I could get a whacky looking seat post like the one in the 
>> Blahg, but would rather not! 
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> Nate
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

[Craig Montgomery]

The answer is yes I have experience with both and yes you can get further 
back (it's why I converted) on the Berthoud Aspin compared to the B17 and 
yes I just happen to have a black Aspin for sale in excellent condition for 
$100 shipped. What else do you want to know? 

Craig in Tucson

[image: GB Berthoud Aspin.JPG]


On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 9:48:08 AM UTC-7, Nate in Oakland wrote:
>
> Hey all!  I just converted my Atlantis to drops and now I’m finding that I 
> can’t get my trusty B17 far enough back for comfort.  I’ve been lusting 
> after/looking for an excuse to buy a Berthoud saddle for a while, and now 
> I’m wondering if one would fix my setback issue.  Someone out there must 
> have experience with both! 
>
> Btw, I know I could get a whacky looking seat post like the one in the 
> Blahg, but would rather not! 
>
> Thanks, 
> Nate

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