[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
+1 for nail polish. Tried it when I was in a bind. But it's held up over a few years. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
If you use ferrules, would that be considered as a lugged cable? Roy H. Drinkwater Lititz, PA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
I used to solder my cable ends, for the same reason I am careful to align tire manufacturer markings up with valves - it shows someone cares. As noted, SS cables put a stop to that, so I've used bees wax, tape, glue, and spoke nipples, but ferules work and look best. Maybe I'll get some of the flux I read about here and try going back to soldering. On Sunday, December 29, 2013 11:42:10 PM UTC-5, Tom Virgil wrote: So I don't like cable ends with ferrules that have nasty looking plier pinch marks on them. In the old days, I would size the cable, cut it, dip the end in a solder pot, wait until temperatures equalized, and the cable ends picked up the solder by capillary action. And leave it at that. No pinched ferrules and a very clean cable end. Anyone as persnickety as me? Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
I have been soldering electrical connections for most of my life but I've not once been able to solder modern SS cables, which is all I use on my bikes. So instead of solder, I use narrow (1/8) shrink tubing. It doesn't look as bulky as a typical crimp end. The key to good shrink tube application is to use a heat gun, not a flame, as the heat source. Anton Tutter Somerville, MA and Bloomville, NY http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7300/9401390914_a2ae10e4f0_c.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
I have been using 56% silver and compatible flux to solder the ends of my stainless steal cables. It works pretty well, but the silver does tarnish somewhat after time. Here is a quick/crummy iPhone photo, http://www.flickr.com/photos/31359238@N06/11721719064/ On Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:42:10 PM UTC-6, Tom Virgil wrote: So I don't like cable ends with ferrules that have nasty looking plier pinch marks on them. In the old days, I would size the cable, cut it, dip the end in a solder pot, wait until temperatures equalized, and the cable ends picked up the solder by capillary action. And leave it at that. No pinched ferrules and a very clean cable end. Anyone as persnickety as me? Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
I'm pro-ferrule. I take great pride in the two spot-on perpendicular crimp marks of equal depth which divide the ferrule into perfect thirds. I often sacrifice two or three early and unsatisfying attempts to the landfill gods in the process. And yet I'll go an easy year plus without washing my bike. Jeff Hagedorn Warragul, VIC Australia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
Really nice polished silver rims! On Thursday, January 2, 2014 6:40:41 PM UTC-8, Ken Yokanovich wrote: I have been using 56% silver and compatible flux to solder the ends of my stainless steal cables. It works pretty well, but the silver does tarnish somewhat after time. Here is a quick/crummy iPhone photo, http://www.flickr.com/photos/31359238@N06/11721719064/ On Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:42:10 PM UTC-6, Tom Virgil wrote: So I don't like cable ends with ferrules that have nasty looking plier pinch marks on them. In the old days, I would size the cable, cut it, dip the end in a solder pot, wait until temperatures equalized, and the cable ends picked up the solder by capillary action. And leave it at that. No pinched ferrules and a very clean cable end. Anyone as persnickety as me? Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
We should start tig-welding our stainless cable ends! On Thursday, January 2, 2014 5:37:36 AM UTC-8, Anton Tutter wrote: I have been soldering electrical connections for most of my life but I've not once been able to solder modern SS cables, which is all I use on my bikes. So instead of solder, I use narrow (1/8) shrink tubing. It doesn't look as bulky as a typical crimp end. The key to good shrink tube application is to use a heat gun, not a flame, as the heat source. Anton Tutter Somerville, MA and Bloomville, NY http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7300/9401390914_a2ae10e4f0_c.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
tin the cable end, slide up the ferrule, stick the torch on the outside of the ferrule and let the solder suck in to make a classic socket. On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 10:34:44 PM UTC-6, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote: You are, of course, correct. However, untwisting the strands a bit to clean the ends does not necessary mean they cannot be twisted back to their original twisted configuration. The stainless strands are quite strong and thus have a bit to go before exceeding their yield and becoming permanently frayed. On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:41:57 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 12/30/2013 11:17 PM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote: You'll want to fray out the individual strands a bit to clean them with alcohol or something similar before applying the flux, I thought the entire point of the exercise was to prevent the individual strands from fraying out. Open that box even Pandora couldn't get them back in. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
On 12/30/2013 11:17 PM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote: You'll want to fray out the individual strands a bit to clean them with alcohol or something similar before applying the flux, I thought the entire point of the exercise was to prevent the individual strands from fraying out. Open that box even Pandora couldn't get them back in. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
I'm still using bee's wax. Simple. Clean. Nice. Hugh Flynn Newburyport, MA On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA benzouy...@gmail.comwrote: It is possible to solder stainless if you use the right flux. Look for stainless-specific flux; they usually contain zinc chloride and hydrochloric acid (read: ensure adequate ventilation). You'll want to fray out the individual strands a bit to clean them with alcohol or something similar before applying the flux, and you'll want to be careful with that flux since it's not the gentlest thing in the world. I still occasionally solder my (stainless) cable ends. In fact, for the cantilever straddle cable ends, I usually put a dollop of solder (i.e., excess) at the end to make a bulb (like a spring onion!) so that it's easier to grab ahold of. It's a nice conversation piece for the keen eyes. On Monday, December 30, 2013 7:26:53 AM UTC-8, George Schick wrote: The comment about unsolder-able stainless cables replacing the old galvanized ones is spot on. I used to like to solder mine, too - can't do it any more, though. However, I do like the idea of placing a small piece of heat shrink on the ends - never thought about doing that before, but it's a good one. On Monday, December 30, 2013 5:31:35 AM UTC-6, Michael Glaser wrote: I'm a huge fan of old school mechanics techniques, but the reason that no one solders cables anymore is that stainless has all but displaced galvanized steel for cables on nicely-spec'd bikes. And apart from being able to take solder, galvanized cables have nothing on good quality stainless cables when it comes to smoothness and longevity. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Hugh Flynn Newburyport, MA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
Do your heat-shrink insulators allow one to strip the cable through the housing both ways? What size / color do you use? Dave in Kansas On Monday, December 30, 2013 5:29:05 AM UTC-6, William R. wrote: I have been using heat shrink wiring insulators for a while now with nice results. About an inch of it at each cable end. Extending over the end about an eighth of an inch. Nice, clean and safe. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
I used electrical tape in a pinch, and found it stayed on day after day, so I left it there . How about that :) Duct tape would good too. Vanity factor ? Are U kidding ?!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
Is your typical generic brake or derailleur cable today stainless steel? I mean the ones that come in bulk packaging. Shoe Goo: I like that idea; anyone care to post a photo of the final product? On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA benzouy...@gmail.comwrote: It is possible to solder stainless if you use the right flux. Look for stainless-specific flux; they usually contain zinc chloride and hydrochloric acid (read: ensure adequate ventilation). You'll want to fray out the individual strands a bit to clean them with alcohol or something similar before applying the flux, and you'll want to be careful with that flux since it's not the gentlest thing in the world. I still occasionally solder my (stainless) cable ends. In fact, for the cantilever straddle cable ends, I usually put a dollop of solder (i.e., excess) at the end to make a bulb (like a spring onion!) so that it's easier to grab ahold of. It's a nice conversation piece for the keen eyes. On Monday, December 30, 2013 7:26:53 AM UTC-8, George Schick wrote: The comment about unsolder-able stainless cables replacing the old galvanized ones is spot on. I used to like to solder mine, too - can't do it any more, though. However, I do like the idea of placing a small piece of heat shrink on the ends - never thought about doing that before, but it's a good one. On Monday, December 30, 2013 5:31:35 AM UTC-6, Michael Glaser wrote: I'm a huge fan of old school mechanics techniques, but the reason that no one solders cables anymore is that stainless has all but displaced galvanized steel for cables on nicely-spec'd bikes. And apart from being able to take solder, galvanized cables have nothing on good quality stainless cables when it comes to smoothness and longevity. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Burque (NM) Resumes that get interviews: http://www.resumespecialties.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
You are, of course, correct. However, untwisting the strands a bit to clean the ends does not necessary mean they cannot be twisted back to their original twisted configuration. The stainless strands are quite strong and thus have a bit to go before exceeding their yield and becoming permanently frayed. On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:41:57 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 12/30/2013 11:17 PM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote: You'll want to fray out the individual strands a bit to clean them with alcohol or something similar before applying the flux, I thought the entire point of the exercise was to prevent the individual strands from fraying out. Open that box even Pandora couldn't get them back in. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
I'm a huge fan of old school mechanics techniques, but the reason that no one solders cables anymore is that stainless has all but displaced galvanized steel for cables on nicely-spec'd bikes. And apart from being able to take solder, galvanized cables have nothing on good quality stainless cables when it comes to smoothness and longevity. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
Up vote that. Finished cables in that way at the shop, then put the end caps on delicately (CPSC compliant). Those were the MTB heydays and there was a 60% chance a newly, carefully, built bike would be back in a week or two after being heavily used off-road and in need of cable/housing cleaning to return shifting and braking functions. Pop the lightly placed end caps off and the cables strip out of housings and can be fed back through them like butter. Our free first month of service could tolerate easily cleaning things up but not replacing cables and housings. On mine, after the solder I shape the soldered ends to blunted round end with a fine file for greatest ease of feed into the housings. They won't poke you for blood if you brush against the end either. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Sunday, December 29, 2013 11:42:10 PM UTC-5, Tom Virgil wrote: So I don't like cable ends with ferrules that have nasty looking plier pinch marks on them. In the old days, I would size the cable, cut it, dip the end in a solder pot, wait until temperatures equalized, and the cable ends picked up the solder by capillary action. And leave it at that. No pinched ferrules and a very clean cable end. Anyone as persnickety as me? Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
The comment about unsolder-able stainless cables replacing the old galvanized ones is spot on. I used to like to solder mine, too - can't do it any more, though. However, I do like the idea of placing a small piece of heat shrink on the ends - never thought about doing that before, but it's a good one. On Monday, December 30, 2013 5:31:35 AM UTC-6, Michael Glaser wrote: I'm a huge fan of old school mechanics techniques, but the reason that no one solders cables anymore is that stainless has all but displaced galvanized steel for cables on nicely-spec'd bikes. And apart from being able to take solder, galvanized cables have nothing on good quality stainless cables when it comes to smoothness and longevity. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
It is possible to solder stainless if you use the right flux. Look for stainless-specific flux; they usually contain zinc chloride and hydrochloric acid (read: ensure adequate ventilation). You'll want to fray out the individual strands a bit to clean them with alcohol or something similar before applying the flux, and you'll want to be careful with that flux since it's not the gentlest thing in the world. I still occasionally solder my (stainless) cable ends. In fact, for the cantilever straddle cable ends, I usually put a dollop of solder (i.e., excess) at the end to make a bulb (like a spring onion!) so that it's easier to grab ahold of. It's a nice conversation piece for the keen eyes. On Monday, December 30, 2013 7:26:53 AM UTC-8, George Schick wrote: The comment about unsolder-able stainless cables replacing the old galvanized ones is spot on. I used to like to solder mine, too - can't do it any more, though. However, I do like the idea of placing a small piece of heat shrink on the ends - never thought about doing that before, but it's a good one. On Monday, December 30, 2013 5:31:35 AM UTC-6, Michael Glaser wrote: I'm a huge fan of old school mechanics techniques, but the reason that no one solders cables anymore is that stainless has all but displaced galvanized steel for cables on nicely-spec'd bikes. And apart from being able to take solder, galvanized cables have nothing on good quality stainless cables when it comes to smoothness and longevity. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
No not so much. But it sounds like a good idea and also would look slick. ~Hugh On Sunday, December 29, 2013 8:42:10 PM UTC-8, Tom Virgil wrote: So I don't like cable ends with ferrules that have nasty looking plier pinch marks on them. In the old days, I would size the cable, cut it, dip the end in a solder pot, wait until temperatures equalized, and the cable ends picked up the solder by capillary action. And leave it at that. No pinched ferrules and a very clean cable end. Anyone as persnickety as me? Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
I like using ferrules. Nothing wrong with soldering, though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
I used to used to end my cables with solder. I would place an iron on the cable at about a half inch from the end and the place the solder on the cut end and let it flow up the cable. It worked well. Make sure that there are no stray strands as they will stick out and you will get poked by that stray strand someday. having said that, I just use a crimped ferrule (or spoke nipple) now. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
