Re: [RBW] Re: Chauncey Matthews Riv-cloned Road Bike for Road, take 2

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, and one more very big difference between the model and the image: the
new copy is made from standard diameter, relatively thinwall 531 compared
to the (in retrospect) excessively heavy tubing of the 2003 Riv, and the
difference is very positively noticeable as this is yet one more of those
delightful bikes that encourages one to choose a cog 1 tooth smaller. It'
doesn't "bog down" when you come to an incline or turn into a headwind, as
I had noticed over the years when comparing the 2003 with its even earlier
1999 Riv Joe Starck custom fixed gear gofast older sister, which also
encourages 1 tooth smaller.


On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 8:55 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Fun facts: Bike was built to copy the 2003 Rivendell that I had had
> modified enough times for features missing on the original that I thought
> it time to start over.
>



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Re: [RBW] Re: Chauncey Matthews Riv-cloned Road Bike for Road, take 2

[Addison Quarles]

Got it! Both lovely tires. I’d bought up and squirreled away some Pasela 
Tourguards back when they changed over to the “Protite” 
Among them a pair of 26x1.75’s. I eventually put them on something but in 
hindsight I wish I’d bought more. Just mounted my last pair of 700x35’s on my 
“forever bike” 
I don’t know why, but I can’t stand the colors of the label. The old TG logo 
just looks right. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chauncey Matthews Riv-cloned Road Bike for Road, take 2

[David Johnston]

He is referring to the 26x1.75 Pasela which has a real width of about
41mm. Interestingly the Rene Herse Natches Pass 26 x 1.8" is also
about 41mm.

On 8/11/20, Addison Quarles  wrote:
> I must ask: a 41mm Pasela? How have I missed out on this? 700 x 41? Or is
> this another way of referring to the 26 x 1.75?
> Also, holy smokes do you have photos of this bike anywhere? This thing
> sounds wild!
>
> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:22:55 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> No, though 1 reason was that I had only the 1 Pasela which I acquired as a
>>
>> a design gauge.
>>
>> There was perhaps 5 mm of clearance between top of Pasela and bottom of
>> flat-head allen bolt, and I could have ridden it so, but I wanted the fork
>>
>> made right, which means room for a real 45 and 10 mm under fender bolt.
>>
>> Once all is as it ought to be, I hope to get some Naches Pass tires and
>> *really* try out the design!
>>
>> Chauncey was waiting for a new (biplane; Pacenti?) fork crown a weeke
>> ago.
>>
>> Which leads to a dilemma, one that can only afflict the privileged: should
>>
>> 29s or 42s be the default tire? I'm inclined to keep the 29s as the "main"
>>
>> tire, since they ride so ineffably well on pavement, and since the bike
>> handles so wonderfully with them. I personally have no use for tires
>> fatter
>> than, say, 32 mm, for pavement, even less than perfect pavement; given our
>>
>> sandy soil, I prefer *real* width, as in 60 mm, and 700C to boot, for off
>>
>> road. The Naches Passes would be occasional, "just 'cause I feel like it"
>>
>> tires.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 7:14 AM Dave Johnston  wrote:
>>
>>> Did you try riding it as it was with the 41mm Pasela?
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 5:28:59 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Chauncey picked up the new bike this (actually, yesterday) morning to
 re-do the fork and reinforce the rear rack. A 41 mm Pasela has ample
 room
 under the 45 mm fender in the rear, but while it fits under the fender
 in
 front, there is only about 5 mm of clearance, so he will lengthen the
 fork
 legs to gain an additional 10 mm, and swap out the fork-crown fender
 mount
 with projecting boss with another that puts the threaded boss inside the

 steerer, so that the fender can be butted up tight against the underside
 of
 the crown. That should gain at least 3 mm. He said he can add more rake
 to
 the fork to preserve the wonderful (Riv-like, in fact, since it's Riv
 clone) handling.

 Grant would not have built me a custom with the features I wanted -- 42s

 with fenders, narrow Q, and 118 mm OL rear spacing, with braze-ones for

 Sturmey Archer trigger shifter, extra-long but thin plate dropouts
 (Chauncey cut his own), and internal light wire routing, with custom f
 and
 r racks. So I consider this a non-Riv tribute to Riv.

 Once I get the bike back, I'll look into buying some RH Naches Pass
 tires.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chauncey Matthews Riv-cloned Road Bike for Road, take 2

[Addison Quarles]

I must ask: a 41mm Pasela? How have I missed out on this? 700 x 41? Or is 
this another way of referring to the 26 x 1.75? 
Also, holy smokes do you have photos of this bike anywhere? This thing 
sounds wild!

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:22:55 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> No, though 1 reason was that I had only the 1 Pasela which I acquired as a 
> a design gauge. 
>
> There was perhaps 5 mm of clearance between top of Pasela and bottom of 
> flat-head allen bolt, and I could have ridden it so, but I wanted the fork 
> made right, which means room for a real 45 and 10 mm under fender bolt.
>
> Once all is as it ought to be, I hope to get some Naches Pass tires and 
> *really* try out the design!
>
> Chauncey was waiting for a new (biplane; Pacenti?) fork crown a weeke ago.
>
> Which leads to a dilemma, one that can only afflict the privileged: should 
> 29s or 42s be the default tire? I'm inclined to keep the 29s as the "main" 
> tire, since they ride so ineffably well on pavement, and since the bike 
> handles so wonderfully with them. I personally have no use for tires fatter 
> than, say, 32 mm, for pavement, even less than perfect pavement; given our 
> sandy soil, I prefer *real* width, as in 60 mm, and 700C to boot, for off 
> road. The Naches Passes would be occasional, "just 'cause I feel like it" 
> tires.
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 7:14 AM Dave Johnston  wrote:
>
>> Did you try riding it as it was with the 41mm Pasela?
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 5:28:59 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Chauncey picked up the new bike this (actually, yesterday) morning to 
>>> re-do the fork and reinforce the rear rack. A 41 mm Pasela has ample room 
>>> under the 45 mm fender in the rear, but while it fits under the fender in 
>>> front, there is only about 5 mm of clearance, so he will lengthen the fork 
>>> legs to gain an additional 10 mm, and swap out the fork-crown fender mount 
>>> with projecting boss with another that puts the threaded boss inside the 
>>> steerer, so that the fender can be butted up tight against the underside of 
>>> the crown. That should gain at least 3 mm. He said he can add more rake to 
>>> the fork to preserve the wonderful (Riv-like, in fact, since it's Riv 
>>> clone) handling.
>>>
>>> Grant would not have built me a custom with the features I wanted -- 42s 
>>> with fenders, narrow Q, and 118 mm OL rear spacing, with braze-ones for 
>>> Sturmey Archer trigger shifter, extra-long but thin plate dropouts 
>>> (Chauncey cut his own), and internal light wire routing, with custom f and 
>>> r racks. So I consider this a non-Riv tribute to Riv.
>>>
>>> Once I get the bike back, I'll look into buying some RH Naches Pass 
>>> tires.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Chauncey Matthews Riv-cloned Road Bike for Road, take 2

[Patrick Moore]

No, though 1 reason was that I had only the 1 Pasela which I acquired as a
a design gauge.

There was perhaps 5 mm of clearance between top of Pasela and bottom of
flat-head allen bolt, and I could have ridden it so, but I wanted the fork
made right, which means room for a real 45 and 10 mm under fender bolt.

Once all is as it ought to be, I hope to get some Naches Pass tires and
*really* try out the design!

Chauncey was waiting for a new (biplane; Pacenti?) fork crown a weeke ago.

Which leads to a dilemma, one that can only afflict the privileged: should
29s or 42s be the default tire? I'm inclined to keep the 29s as the "main"
tire, since they ride so ineffably well on pavement, and since the bike
handles so wonderfully with them. I personally have no use for tires fatter
than, say, 32 mm, for pavement, even less than perfect pavement; given our
sandy soil, I prefer *real* width, as in 60 mm, and 700C to boot, for off
road. The Naches Passes would be occasional, "just 'cause I feel like it"
tires.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 7:14 AM Dave Johnston  wrote:

> Did you try riding it as it was with the 41mm Pasela?
>
> -Dave
>
> On Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 5:28:59 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Chauncey picked up the new bike this (actually, yesterday) morning to
>> re-do the fork and reinforce the rear rack. A 41 mm Pasela has ample room
>> under the 45 mm fender in the rear, but while it fits under the fender in
>> front, there is only about 5 mm of clearance, so he will lengthen the fork
>> legs to gain an additional 10 mm, and swap out the fork-crown fender mount
>> with projecting boss with another that puts the threaded boss inside the
>> steerer, so that the fender can be butted up tight against the underside of
>> the crown. That should gain at least 3 mm. He said he can add more rake to
>> the fork to preserve the wonderful (Riv-like, in fact, since it's Riv
>> clone) handling.
>>
>> Grant would not have built me a custom with the features I wanted -- 42s
>> with fenders, narrow Q, and 118 mm OL rear spacing, with braze-ones for
>> Sturmey Archer trigger shifter, extra-long but thin plate dropouts
>> (Chauncey cut his own), and internal light wire routing, with custom f and
>> r racks. So I consider this a non-Riv tribute to Riv.
>>
>> Once I get the bike back, I'll look into buying some RH Naches Pass tires.
>>
>> --
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] Re: Chauncey Matthews Riv-cloned Road Bike for Road, take 2

[Dave Johnston]

Did you try riding it as it was with the 41mm Pasela?

-Dave

On Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 5:28:59 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Chauncey picked up the new bike this (actually, yesterday) morning to 
> re-do the fork and reinforce the rear rack. A 41 mm Pasela has ample room 
> under the 45 mm fender in the rear, but while it fits under the fender in 
> front, there is only about 5 mm of clearance, so he will lengthen the fork 
> legs to gain an additional 10 mm, and swap out the fork-crown fender mount 
> with projecting boss with another that puts the threaded boss inside the 
> steerer, so that the fender can be butted up tight against the underside of 
> the crown. That should gain at least 3 mm. He said he can add more rake to 
> the fork to preserve the wonderful (Riv-like, in fact, since it's Riv 
> clone) handling.
>
> Grant would not have built me a custom with the features I wanted -- 42s 
> with fenders, narrow Q, and 118 mm OL rear spacing, with braze-ones for 
> Sturmey Archer trigger shifter, extra-long but thin plate dropouts 
> (Chauncey cut his own), and internal light wire routing, with custom f and 
> r racks. So I consider this a non-Riv tribute to Riv.
>
> Once I get the bike back, I'll look into buying some RH Naches Pass tires.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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