Re: [RBW] Re: Clem for bikepacking?

[Ryan Frahm]

😂

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 6:49:54 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I did wait around to see if I could swing a trade…
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 9, 2023, at 6:26 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> No offense Richard, there’s a Clem in that picture? I’m picturing that 
> Ferrari with a bike rack on it!
>
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 2:31:58 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I just realized this was a thread I started. I don’t think I ever posted 
>> pics of my first ever multi day bikepacking trip. This setup worked really 
>> nicely.
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2023, at 12:53 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hi Vincent,
>>
>> What size tires and fenders are you running on your Clem "H" in your 
>> pictures ?
>>
>> Thank-you,
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:42:42 AM UTC-8 Vincent Tamer wrote:
>>
>>> I own a Clem H but do not utilize the frame space at all for a frame 
>>> bag. I've bikepacked several times and its great! I got lucky and found a 
>>> company blowing out their sackville bags so I stocked up :) Heres a few 
>>> shots from our trips.
>>> [image: IMG_1785.JPG][image: IMG_1629.JPG]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 12:04:11 PM UTC-8 mrg...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Clem L works for birdseedpacking (20lb bag) with a Pletscher rack :) 

 mike

 On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 9:47:22 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Wondering if there are any Clem L owners here using their rig  for 
> bikepacking excursions? Seems like an ideal platform in spite of having 
> no 
> space for a framebag nor fork mounted braze ons for anything or similar 
> cages. I am thinking of front and rear mimimalist racks from Tumbleweed 
> as 
> they include the anything / manything cage mounts. Curious what others 
> might be doing?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem for bikepacking?

[Richard Rose]

I did wait around to see if I could swing a trade…Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 9, 2023, at 6:26 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:No offense Richard, there’s a Clem in that picture? I’m picturing that Ferrari with a bike rack on it!On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 2:31:58 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:I just realized this was a thread I started. I don’t think I ever posted pics of my first ever multi day bikepacking trip. This setup worked really nicely.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 9, 2023, at 12:53 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:Hi Vincent,What size tires and fenders are you running on your Clem "H" in your pictures ?Thank-you,Kim HetzelYelm, WA.On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:42:42 AM UTC-8 Vincent Tamer wrote:I own a Clem H but do not utilize the frame space at all for a frame bag. I've bikepacked several times and its great! I got lucky and found a company blowing out their sackville bags so I stocked up :) Heres a few shots from our trips.On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 12:04:11 PM UTC-8 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:Clem L works for birdseedpacking (20lb bag) with a Pletscher rack :) mikeOn Monday, January 10, 2022 at 9:47:22 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Wondering if there are any Clem L owners here using their rig  for bikepacking excursions? Seems like an ideal platform in spite of having no space for a framebag nor fork mounted braze ons for anything or similar cages. I am thinking of front and rear mimimalist racks from Tumbleweed as they include the anything / manything cage mounts. Curious what others might be doing?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem for bikepacking?

[Ryan Frahm]

No offense Richard, there’s a Clem in that picture? I’m picturing that 
Ferrari with a bike rack on it!

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 2:31:58 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I just realized this was a thread I started. I don’t think I ever posted 
> pics of my first ever multi day bikepacking trip. This setup worked really 
> nicely.
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 9, 2023, at 12:53 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi Vincent,
>
> What size tires and fenders are you running on your Clem "H" in your 
> pictures ?
>
> Thank-you,
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:42:42 AM UTC-8 Vincent Tamer wrote:
>
>> I own a Clem H but do not utilize the frame space at all for a frame bag. 
>> I've bikepacked several times and its great! I got lucky and found a 
>> company blowing out their sackville bags so I stocked up :) Heres a few 
>> shots from our trips.
>> [image: IMG_1785.JPG][image: IMG_1629.JPG]
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 12:04:11 PM UTC-8 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Clem L works for birdseedpacking (20lb bag) with a Pletscher rack :) 
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 9:47:22 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Wondering if there are any Clem L owners here using their rig  for 
 bikepacking excursions? Seems like an ideal platform in spite of having no 
 space for a framebag nor fork mounted braze ons for anything or similar 
 cages. I am thinking of front and rear mimimalist racks from Tumbleweed as 
 they include the anything / manything cage mounts. Curious what others 
 might be doing?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Clem for bikepacking?

[Kim Hetzel]

Hi Vincent,

What size tires and fenders are you running on your Clem "H" in your 
pictures ?

Thank-you,
Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:42:42 AM UTC-8 Vincent Tamer wrote:

> I own a Clem H but do not utilize the frame space at all for a frame bag. 
> I've bikepacked several times and its great! I got lucky and found a 
> company blowing out their sackville bags so I stocked up :) Heres a few 
> shots from our trips.
> [image: IMG_1785.JPG][image: IMG_1629.JPG]
>
> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 12:04:11 PM UTC-8 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Clem L works for birdseedpacking (20lb bag) with a Pletscher rack :) 
>>
>> mike
>>
>> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 9:47:22 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Wondering if there are any Clem L owners here using their rig  for 
>>> bikepacking excursions? Seems like an ideal platform in spite of having no 
>>> space for a framebag nor fork mounted braze ons for anything or similar 
>>> cages. I am thinking of front and rear mimimalist racks from Tumbleweed as 
>>> they include the anything / manything cage mounts. Curious what others 
>>> might be doing?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Clem for bikepacking?

[DamonLee]

Hello, curious about your height and PBH given the saddle hieght displayed 
here, is this a 59cm frame? great set up btw!
Damon

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 4:38:35 AM UTC+11 mma...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here's another example from a mate who put me on to Clem L and is the 
> top-ranking Clem L enjoyer in Los Angeles.
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 9:08:18 AM UTC-8 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> As much as I think rackless systems are neato, and it's easy to run 
>> pannier free with the many bag manufacturers now in fair weather and s240 
>> style camping. I absolutely love the look of low rider racks and good set 
>> of panniers which are great except for lots of bumpy roads and narrow 
>> single track. 
>>
>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 9:51:17 AM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Here's how I loaded my Clem L for seven or so days on the road (OAK - 
>>> SLO, very slow). I regret not having a rack for panniers; it was a pain 
>>> digging around and packing the Nelson longflaps with not enough room for my 
>>> gear. Having more bags would have helped spreading items out for easy 
>>> access and packing. In any case, Clem L handles really well while carrying 
>>> gear and feels acceptably "fast" for multi day touring.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 9:56:36 AM UTC-8 meti...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I certainly plan to pack my new Clem L for camping! 

 Long ago I spent weeks in Europe (on several different trips) on a 
 packed-out Motobecane Grand Touring bike with skinny little tires. I added 
 a temporary Blackburn rear rack, slapped some panniers on it, threw some 
 sort of front-bar bag on the handlebars, and despite tons of flats (we 
 eventually stuck to the roads rather than gravel trails), the bike did 
 fine 
 and we had a blast. I’m sure it wasn’t pretty, but it was wonderful, and 
 now I can flip a bike over and whip out a tube change like nobody’s 
 business. 

 (I’ve traveled a number of the Adventure Cycling Association routes the 
 same way, too, Jeff, and it was so much fun to see how other bicyclists 
 handled their gear. We can complicate the most simple experiences, and I 
 want to be more like those easy travelers…they make me laugh)

 Anything will work, if you let it. :) Have fun on your bike-camping 
 trips.

 Liz


 On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 11:53:35 AM UTC-5 Jeffrey Arita wrote:

> I agree with John G: pretty much any bike can be used for 
> cyclotouring/bikepacking.  I don't have a Clem (I have a Rambouillet), 
> but 
> Grant designs framesets with strength and reliability in mind.  It is 
> steel, so absolutely, it should be fine.
>
> If you ever have a chance to visit Adventure Cycling Association's 
> (ACA) HQ in Missoula, MT, you can see many of the original rigs that were 
> used.  Absolutely fascinating.  They just took what was available and 
> invented solutions.  Those folks were animals, too: you gotta check out 
> the 
> tall gearing they had.  At the same time, they were young and in the 
> prime 
> of their lives.
>
> Fast forward to 2022: there are so many gadgets now to enable one to 
> attach something to your frame and fork.  Check out Bikepacking.com 
>  for a complete rundown.  They have a 
> wealth of information.  Be careful though: it is a true rabbit hole.  
> It's 
> like going to REI.  You just keep buying stuff!  
>
> In 2017 we used (because they were one of the first to market) King 
> Cage USBs (Universal Support Bolts).  Extremely handy and strong.  We 
> used 
> sets of them to support King Cage Manything Cages on our forks for the 
> Great Divide.  They were truly tested: because we could be cycling 
> through 
> areas with no water sources for our water purifier, we carried 3-liter 
> containers of water.  Note: there are now several solutions out there in 
> addition to the King Cage USB.
>
> Enjoy and have fun!
>
> Jeff
> Claremont, CA 
>
> P.S.: Voile straps are your friend!!
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 7:47:22 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Wondering if there are any Clem L owners here using their rig  for 
>> bikepacking excursions? Seems like an ideal platform in spite of having 
>> no 
>> space for a framebag nor fork mounted braze ons for anything or similar 
>> cages. I am thinking of front and rear mimimalist racks from Tumbleweed 
>> as 
>> they include the anything / manything cage mounts. Curious what others 
>> might be doing?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem for bikepacking?

[Lyman Labry]

Seems like a good enough bike for the job to me for most bike-packing
touring. Front rack braze ons would be a plus for me.

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 1:04 PM Mike Packard  wrote:

> Clem L works for birdseedpacking (20lb bag) with a Pletscher rack :)
>
> mike
>
> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 9:47:22 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wondering if there are any Clem L owners here using their rig  for
>> bikepacking excursions? Seems like an ideal platform in spite of having no
>> space for a framebag nor fork mounted braze ons for anything or similar
>> cages. I am thinking of front and rear mimimalist racks from Tumbleweed as
>> they include the anything / manything cage mounts. Curious what others
>> might be doing?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem for bikepacking?

[Richard Rose]

That latest one has some clever things going on.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2022, at 1:32 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
> 
> Cool, thanks!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2022, at 11:51 AM, Matt Maceda  wrote:
>>> 
>> Here's how I loaded my Clem L for seven or so days on the road (OAK - SLO, 
>> very slow). I regret not having a rack for panniers; it was a pain digging 
>> around and packing the Nelson longflaps with not enough room for my gear. 
>> Having more bags would have helped spreading items out for easy access and 
>> packing. In any case, Clem L handles really well while carrying gear and 
>> feels acceptably "fast" for multi day touring.
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 9:56:36 AM UTC-8 meti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I certainly plan to pack my new Clem L for camping! 
>>> 
>>> Long ago I spent weeks in Europe (on several different trips) on a 
>>> packed-out Motobecane Grand Touring bike with skinny little tires. I added 
>>> a temporary Blackburn rear rack, slapped some panniers on it, threw some 
>>> sort of front-bar bag on the handlebars, and despite tons of flats (we 
>>> eventually stuck to the roads rather than gravel trails), the bike did fine 
>>> and we had a blast. I’m sure it wasn’t pretty, but it was wonderful, and 
>>> now I can flip a bike over and whip out a tube change like nobody’s 
>>> business. 
>>> 
>>> (I’ve traveled a number of the Adventure Cycling Association routes the 
>>> same way, too, Jeff, and it was so much fun to see how other bicyclists 
>>> handled their gear. We can complicate the most simple experiences, and I 
>>> want to be more like those easy travelers…they make me laugh)
>>> 
>>> Anything will work, if you let it. :) Have fun on your bike-camping trips.
>>> 
>>> Liz
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 11:53:35 AM UTC-5 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
 I agree with John G: pretty much any bike can be used for 
 cyclotouring/bikepacking.  I don't have a Clem (I have a Rambouillet), but 
 Grant designs framesets with strength and reliability in mind.  It is 
 steel, so absolutely, it should be fine.
 
 If you ever have a chance to visit Adventure Cycling Association's (ACA) 
 HQ in Missoula, MT, you can see many of the original rigs that were used.  
 Absolutely fascinating.  They just took what was available and invented 
 solutions.  Those folks were animals, too: you gotta check out the tall 
 gearing they had.  At the same time, they were young and in the prime of 
 their lives.
 
 Fast forward to 2022: there are so many gadgets now to enable one to 
 attach something to your frame and fork.  Check out Bikepacking.com for a 
 complete rundown.  They have a wealth of information.  Be careful though: 
 it is a true rabbit hole.  It's like going to REI.  You just keep buying 
 stuff!  
 
 In 2017 we used (because they were one of the first to market) King Cage 
 USBs (Universal Support Bolts).  Extremely handy and strong.  We used sets 
 of them to support King Cage Manything Cages on our forks for the Great 
 Divide.  They were truly tested: because we could be cycling through areas 
 with no water sources for our water purifier, we carried 3-liter 
 containers of water.  Note: there are now several solutions out there in 
 addition to the King Cage USB.
 
 Enjoy and have fun!
 
 Jeff
 Claremont, CA 
 
 P.S.: Voile straps are your friend!!
 
 
 
> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 7:47:22 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
> Wondering if there are any Clem L owners here using their rig  for 
> bikepacking excursions? Seems like an ideal platform in spite of having 
> no space for a framebag nor fork mounted braze ons for anything or 
> similar cages. I am thinking of front and rear mimimalist racks from 
> Tumbleweed as they include the anything / manything cage mounts. Curious 
> what others might be doing?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem for bikepacking?

[Richard Rose]

Cool, thanks!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2022, at 11:51 AM, Matt Maceda  wrote:
> 
> Here's how I loaded my Clem L for seven or so days on the road (OAK - SLO, 
> very slow). I regret not having a rack for panniers; it was a pain digging 
> around and packing the Nelson longflaps with not enough room for my gear. 
> Having more bags would have helped spreading items out for easy access and 
> packing. In any case, Clem L handles really well while carrying gear and 
> feels acceptably "fast" for multi day touring.
> 
>> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 9:56:36 AM UTC-8 meti...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I certainly plan to pack my new Clem L for camping! 
>> 
>> Long ago I spent weeks in Europe (on several different trips) on a 
>> packed-out Motobecane Grand Touring bike with skinny little tires. I added a 
>> temporary Blackburn rear rack, slapped some panniers on it, threw some sort 
>> of front-bar bag on the handlebars, and despite tons of flats (we eventually 
>> stuck to the roads rather than gravel trails), the bike did fine and we had 
>> a blast. I’m sure it wasn’t pretty, but it was wonderful, and now I can flip 
>> a bike over and whip out a tube change like nobody’s business. 
>> 
>> (I’ve traveled a number of the Adventure Cycling Association routes the same 
>> way, too, Jeff, and it was so much fun to see how other bicyclists handled 
>> their gear. We can complicate the most simple experiences, and I want to be 
>> more like those easy travelers…they make me laugh)
>> 
>> Anything will work, if you let it. :) Have fun on your bike-camping trips.
>> 
>> Liz
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 11:53:35 AM UTC-5 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>>> I agree with John G: pretty much any bike can be used for 
>>> cyclotouring/bikepacking.  I don't have a Clem (I have a Rambouillet), but 
>>> Grant designs framesets with strength and reliability in mind.  It is 
>>> steel, so absolutely, it should be fine.
>>> 
>>> If you ever have a chance to visit Adventure Cycling Association's (ACA) HQ 
>>> in Missoula, MT, you can see many of the original rigs that were used.  
>>> Absolutely fascinating.  They just took what was available and invented 
>>> solutions.  Those folks were animals, too: you gotta check out the tall 
>>> gearing they had.  At the same time, they were young and in the prime of 
>>> their lives.
>>> 
>>> Fast forward to 2022: there are so many gadgets now to enable one to attach 
>>> something to your frame and fork.  Check out Bikepacking.com for a complete 
>>> rundown.  They have a wealth of information.  Be careful though: it is a 
>>> true rabbit hole.  It's like going to REI.  You just keep buying stuff!  
>>> 
>>> In 2017 we used (because they were one of the first to market) King Cage 
>>> USBs (Universal Support Bolts).  Extremely handy and strong.  We used sets 
>>> of them to support King Cage Manything Cages on our forks for the Great 
>>> Divide.  They were truly tested: because we could be cycling through areas 
>>> with no water sources for our water purifier, we carried 3-liter containers 
>>> of water.  Note: there are now several solutions out there in addition to 
>>> the King Cage USB.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy and have fun!
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> Claremont, CA 
>>> 
>>> P.S.: Voile straps are your friend!!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 7:47:22 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
 Wondering if there are any Clem L owners here using their rig  for 
 bikepacking excursions? Seems like an ideal platform in spite of having no 
 space for a framebag nor fork mounted braze ons for anything or similar 
 cages. I am thinking of front and rear mimimalist racks from Tumbleweed as 
 they include the anything / manything cage mounts. Curious what others 
 might be doing?
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[RBW] Re: Clem for bikepacking?

[Mackenzy Albright]

As much as I think rackless systems are neato, and it's easy to run pannier 
free with the many bag manufacturers now in fair weather and s240 style 
camping. I absolutely love the look of low rider racks and good set of 
panniers which are great except for lots of bumpy roads and narrow single 
track. 

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 9:51:17 AM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here's how I loaded my Clem L for seven or so days on the road (OAK - SLO, 
> very slow). I regret not having a rack for panniers; it was a pain digging 
> around and packing the Nelson longflaps with not enough room for my gear. 
> Having more bags would have helped spreading items out for easy access and 
> packing. In any case, Clem L handles really well while carrying gear and 
> feels acceptably "fast" for multi day touring.
>
> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 9:56:36 AM UTC-8 meti...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I certainly plan to pack my new Clem L for camping! 
>>
>> Long ago I spent weeks in Europe (on several different trips) on a 
>> packed-out Motobecane Grand Touring bike with skinny little tires. I added 
>> a temporary Blackburn rear rack, slapped some panniers on it, threw some 
>> sort of front-bar bag on the handlebars, and despite tons of flats (we 
>> eventually stuck to the roads rather than gravel trails), the bike did fine 
>> and we had a blast. I’m sure it wasn’t pretty, but it was wonderful, and 
>> now I can flip a bike over and whip out a tube change like nobody’s 
>> business. 
>>
>> (I’ve traveled a number of the Adventure Cycling Association routes the 
>> same way, too, Jeff, and it was so much fun to see how other bicyclists 
>> handled their gear. We can complicate the most simple experiences, and I 
>> want to be more like those easy travelers…they make me laugh)
>>
>> Anything will work, if you let it. :) Have fun on your bike-camping trips.
>>
>> Liz
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 11:53:35 AM UTC-5 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with John G: pretty much any bike can be used for 
>>> cyclotouring/bikepacking.  I don't have a Clem (I have a Rambouillet), but 
>>> Grant designs framesets with strength and reliability in mind.  It is 
>>> steel, so absolutely, it should be fine.
>>>
>>> If you ever have a chance to visit Adventure Cycling Association's (ACA) 
>>> HQ in Missoula, MT, you can see many of the original rigs that were used.  
>>> Absolutely fascinating.  They just took what was available and invented 
>>> solutions.  Those folks were animals, too: you gotta check out the tall 
>>> gearing they had.  At the same time, they were young and in the prime of 
>>> their lives.
>>>
>>> Fast forward to 2022: there are so many gadgets now to enable one to 
>>> attach something to your frame and fork.  Check out Bikepacking.com 
>>>  for a complete rundown.  They have a wealth 
>>> of information.  Be careful though: it is a true rabbit hole.  It's like 
>>> going to REI.  You just keep buying stuff!  
>>>
>>> In 2017 we used (because they were one of the first to market) King Cage 
>>> USBs (Universal Support Bolts).  Extremely handy and strong.  We used sets 
>>> of them to support King Cage Manything Cages on our forks for the Great 
>>> Divide.  They were truly tested: because we could be cycling through areas 
>>> with no water sources for our water purifier, we carried 3-liter containers 
>>> of water.  Note: there are now several solutions out there in addition to 
>>> the King Cage USB.
>>>
>>> Enjoy and have fun!
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> Claremont, CA 
>>>
>>> P.S.: Voile straps are your friend!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 7:47:22 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Wondering if there are any Clem L owners here using their rig  for 
 bikepacking excursions? Seems like an ideal platform in spite of having no 
 space for a framebag nor fork mounted braze ons for anything or similar 
 cages. I am thinking of front and rear mimimalist racks from Tumbleweed as 
 they include the anything / manything cage mounts. Curious what others 
 might be doing?
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem for bikepacking?

[Liz Tilton]

I certainly plan to pack my new Clem L for camping! 

Long ago I spent weeks in Europe (on several different trips) on a 
packed-out Motobecane Grand Touring bike with skinny little tires. I added 
a temporary Blackburn rear rack, slapped some panniers on it, threw some 
sort of front-bar bag on the handlebars, and despite tons of flats (we 
eventually stuck to the roads rather than gravel trails), the bike did fine 
and we had a blast. I’m sure it wasn’t pretty, but it was wonderful, and 
now I can flip a bike over and whip out a tube change like nobody’s 
business. 

(I’ve traveled a number of the Adventure Cycling Association routes the 
same way, too, Jeff, and it was so much fun to see how other bicyclists 
handled their gear. We can complicate the most simple experiences, and I 
want to be more like those easy travelers…they make me laugh)

Anything will work, if you let it. :) Have fun on your bike-camping trips.

Liz


On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 11:53:35 AM UTC-5 Jeffrey Arita wrote:

> I agree with John G: pretty much any bike can be used for 
> cyclotouring/bikepacking.  I don't have a Clem (I have a Rambouillet), but 
> Grant designs framesets with strength and reliability in mind.  It is 
> steel, so absolutely, it should be fine.
>
> If you ever have a chance to visit Adventure Cycling Association's (ACA) 
> HQ in Missoula, MT, you can see many of the original rigs that were used.  
> Absolutely fascinating.  They just took what was available and invented 
> solutions.  Those folks were animals, too: you gotta check out the tall 
> gearing they had.  At the same time, they were young and in the prime of 
> their lives.
>
> Fast forward to 2022: there are so many gadgets now to enable one to 
> attach something to your frame and fork.  Check out Bikepacking.com 
>  for a complete rundown.  They have a wealth of 
> information.  Be careful though: it is a true rabbit hole.  It's like going 
> to REI.  You just keep buying stuff!  
>
> In 2017 we used (because they were one of the first to market) King Cage 
> USBs (Universal Support Bolts).  Extremely handy and strong.  We used sets 
> of them to support King Cage Manything Cages on our forks for the Great 
> Divide.  They were truly tested: because we could be cycling through areas 
> with no water sources for our water purifier, we carried 3-liter containers 
> of water.  Note: there are now several solutions out there in addition to 
> the King Cage USB.
>
> Enjoy and have fun!
>
> Jeff
> Claremont, CA 
>
> P.S.: Voile straps are your friend!!
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 7:47:22 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wondering if there are any Clem L owners here using their rig  for 
>> bikepacking excursions? Seems like an ideal platform in spite of having no 
>> space for a framebag nor fork mounted braze ons for anything or similar 
>> cages. I am thinking of front and rear mimimalist racks from Tumbleweed as 
>> they include the anything / manything cage mounts. Curious what others 
>> might be doing?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem for bikepacking?

[John G]

Most of those are not new in the scheme of things at all.  They've just 
been rediscovered and possibly updated.  I may be geezing here, but I had 
an AMF (I think) frame bag of orange nylon back in 1970s.  I wish I still 
had it.  I still have the Cannondale handlebar bag from the same era. The 
freedom to explore the world (well, at least a good chunk of mid-Maryland) 
a couple of bags and a wonderlight (
https://cdn-0.sheldonbrown.com/images/wonder-lamp.jpg) gave teenaged me is 
a cherished memory.

As to the original post, bikepacking is worth it even on a less than 
perfect bikepacking bike.  Underbikepacking, as it were.
https://flic.kr/p/X5m8o
Cheers,
John G
Union Bridge, MD

On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 11:52:37 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Keep in mind that interior frame bags and everything cages and 
> cantilevered soft bags and a lot of that other, now-common, high-tech 
> bike-packing equipment is pretty new in the grand scheme of things.  You 
> can still do alot with some good old fashioned "full" racks with panniers 
> and saddlebags, the way it was done for a century or more.  I personally 
> think the long rear end of the clem lends itself to this better than any 
> other bike ever made.
>
> Also, people often forget about or overlook bob trailers too but, 
> depending on what kind of trip you had in mind, they sometimes work well, 
> and make it easy to strip the bike down for day rides once you reach your 
> destination.
>
> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 8:47:22 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wondering if there are any Clem L owners here using their rig  for 
>> bikepacking excursions? Seems like an ideal platform in spite of having no 
>> space for a framebag nor fork mounted braze ons for anything or similar 
>> cages. I am thinking of front and rear mimimalist racks from Tumbleweed as 
>> they include the anything / manything cage mounts. Curious what others 
>> might be doing?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem for bikepacking?

[iamkeith]

Keep in mind that interior frame bags and everything cages and cantilevered 
soft bags and a lot of that other, now-common, high-tech bike-packing 
equipment is pretty new in the grand scheme of things.  You can still do 
alot with some good old fashioned "full" racks with panniers and 
saddlebags, the way it was done for a century or more.  I personally think 
the long rear end of the clem lends itself to this better than any other 
bike ever made.

Also, people often forget about or overlook bob trailers too but, depending 
on what kind of trip you had in mind, they sometimes work well, and make it 
easy to strip the bike down for day rides once you reach your destination.

On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 8:47:22 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wondering if there are any Clem L owners here using their rig  for 
> bikepacking excursions? Seems like an ideal platform in spite of having no 
> space for a framebag nor fork mounted braze ons for anything or similar 
> cages. I am thinking of front and rear mimimalist racks from Tumbleweed as 
> they include the anything / manything cage mounts. Curious what others 
> might be doing?

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