[RBW] Re: Confession! I bought a mountain bike

[Jeremy Till]

Don't worry, I have a "Dark Side" bike too, although I drew the line at 
having a metal (aluminum) frame.  None of that carbon stuff for me. 
 Raleigh Talus 29 Comp from a couple of model years back.  The only major 
mods I've made are better tires (Specialized Captains) and Jones Bars.  It 
really lets me take advantage of riding in places like Auburn, some of the 
best riding near Sacramento:

https://flic.kr/p/wPMqsu

Part of the motivation for me was that as a professional mechanic in a bike 
market increasingly dominated by things like hydraulic discs, I felt it 
behooved me to be more familiar with these technologies.  

I've ridden full suspension bikes, and they hold little attraction for me. 
 The certainly let you plow over rough lines and hold your speed better, 
but for me that feels like the textbook definition of risk compensation and 
I've already ended up in the ER once from mountain biking (ask Manny) so 
I'd rather not increase my risk.  The hardtail feels like the perfect 
balance of making riding rough stuff comfortable, doable, and enjoyable, 
without coddling you and rewarding proper line selection and speed control. 
 Although having ridden some fully rigid 29+ bikes I'd say that I could 
probably do nicely with one of those, or maybe just a Krampus fork and 29+ 
front wheel for this bike.  

On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 5:21:26 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> A couple months back I put 5 bikes up for sale, needing to sell 2.  Turns 
> out I sold 3.  I needed to raise funds and also clear garage space for my 
> new career as Team Mechanic for El Cerrito High School Mountain Bike 
> Racing.  Go Gauchos!
>
> Anyhow, two bikes went directly to listers, and one went to a friend of 
> Manny's.  So it's tangentially list-content to share what I spent the money 
> on.  First I bought my son a used tuba and a new trombone, so he won't have 
> to shuttle instruments to and from school every day.  Then I bought a 
> mountain bike.  It is a Niner Air 9.  
>
>
> http://www.jensonusa.com/Mountain-Bikes/Niner-Air-9-Carbon-1-Star-Deore-Bike
>
> Yes, it's crabon fibre.  It's got through axles, hydraulic disks and a 
> 100mm travel fork.  I'm pretty excited to get my hands on it.  My brother 
> in law is picking it up at Jenson and I'll get it this weekend.  Now I will 
> have a contemporary hardtail race bike to keep me up to speed on the 
> newfangled componentry.  Wish me luck!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Confession! I bought a mountain bike

[RJM]

Nice bike...Niner makes a nice ride. I know a few people who are riding 
Niners, mainly Jet 9s but a few have the Air 9 too, and they really like 
them. Be prepared for nice braking...those hydros do work well when riding 
singletrack. The Deore group is solid and works well and so does the Recon 
Gold fork, and if you really start shredding trails you can always upgrade 
the fork if you feel the need in the future. You bought a real nice frame. 

On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 7:21:26 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> A couple months back I put 5 bikes up for sale, needing to sell 2.  Turns 
> out I sold 3.  I needed to raise funds and also clear garage space for my 
> new career as Team Mechanic for El Cerrito High School Mountain Bike 
> Racing.  Go Gauchos!
>
> Anyhow, two bikes went directly to listers, and one went to a friend of 
> Manny's.  So it's tangentially list-content to share what I spent the money 
> on.  First I bought my son a used tuba and a new trombone, so he won't have 
> to shuttle instruments to and from school every day.  Then I bought a 
> mountain bike.  It is a Niner Air 9.  
>
>
> http://www.jensonusa.com/Mountain-Bikes/Niner-Air-9-Carbon-1-Star-Deore-Bike
>
> Yes, it's crabon fibre.  It's got through axles, hydraulic disks and a 
> 100mm travel fork.  I'm pretty excited to get my hands on it.  My brother 
> in law is picking it up at Jenson and I'll get it this weekend.  Now I will 
> have a contemporary hardtail race bike to keep me up to speed on the 
> newfangled componentry.  Wish me luck!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Confession! I bought a mountain bike

[Ron Mc]

I just figured you wanted a platform for the new Compass tires

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[RBW] Re: Confession! I bought a mountain bike

[Clayton.sf]

Be glad you did not get a SIR9. I had one and it was nothing but a headache. 
Ride was nothing great either.

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[RBW] Re: Confession! I bought a mountain bike

[Ginz]

A suspension fork can really ease the strain on wrists, shoulders, necks 
and backs.  Being able to go faster is a benefit, yes.  But, for me, it is 
about being able to ride longer with less fatigue in those areas.  After a 
while, those log hops start to hurt!


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[RBW] Re: Confession! I bought a mountain bike

[Conway Bennett]

Counterpoint: I literally (in it's actual meaning and intent) finished building 
up a '91 yo eddy.  I'm actually doing the fine adjustments right now on the 
"trails".  I used mostly current XT mixed with NOS suntour xc pro thumbies and 
crankset.  Riv content?  Bull moose cockpit and smart sams.

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[RBW] Re: Confession! I bought a mountain bike

[Conway Bennett]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/102621504@N05/21846079525/ 

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[RBW] Re: Confession! I bought a mountain bike

['Mark Etze' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have 2 trombone playing kids, with more invested in trombones than a new 
Riv custom. I wish I knew how much a "good" trombone cost before I 
encouraged them to play. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Confession! I bought a mountain bike

[cyclotourist]

Jones bikes definitely have suspension! Just a different version of it! :-)

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 6:20 AM, Matthew J  wrote:

> > When it comes to that activity I suspect most of us are quite content
> with modern frames, suspension, disk brakes and clickety-clack shifting. I
> want one, too!
>
> Jeff Jones  makes rather compelling arguments
> that an effective modern MTB frame need not include suspension
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[RBW] Re: Confession! I bought a mountain bike

[Matthew J]

> When it comes to that activity I suspect most of us are quite content 
with modern frames, suspension, disk brakes and clickety-clack shifting. I 
want one, too!

Jeff Jones  makes rather compelling arguments 
that an effective modern MTB frame need not include suspension

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[RBW] Re: Confession! I bought a mountain bike

[Mobile Bill]

Would not part with my Saluki, and ride it and the Betty Foy most of the 
time, around town and on long paved treks. I needed a dirt touring bike 
that was a little more serious and load-bearing than the typical offerings, 
and woulda had a Bombadil, and probably woulda been happy with it, but  
when it went the way of custom bikes, I started looking into Jeff Jones 29 
Plus. It works for me in the woods, while I'm working, actually, fully 
loaded with gear through muck, sand, gravel, hard pack, pavement. Suspended 
 on 3 inch 29ers (15-18 psi), a truss fork and 48+ inch chain stays. 
 Shocks  are superfluous, and perhaps not so well tuned to the task at 
hand. 

On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 7:21:26 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> A couple months back I put 5 bikes up for sale, needing to sell 2.  Turns 
> out I sold 3.  I needed to raise funds and also clear garage space for my 
> new career as Team Mechanic for El Cerrito High School Mountain Bike 
> Racing.  Go Gauchos!
>
> Anyhow, two bikes went directly to listers, and one went to a friend of 
> Manny's.  So it's tangentially list-content to share what I spent the money 
> on.  First I bought my son a used tuba and a new trombone, so he won't have 
> to shuttle instruments to and from school every day.  Then I bought a 
> mountain bike.  It is a Niner Air 9.  
>
>
> http://www.jensonusa.com/Mountain-Bikes/Niner-Air-9-Carbon-1-Star-Deore-Bike
>
> Yes, it's crabon fibre.  It's got through axles, hydraulic disks and a 
> 100mm travel fork.  I'm pretty excited to get my hands on it.  My brother 
> in law is picking it up at Jenson and I'll get it this weekend.  Now I will 
> have a contemporary hardtail race bike to keep me up to speed on the 
> newfangled componentry.  Wish me luck!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Confession! I bought a mountain bike

[Clayton.sf]

let's ride Annadel early Sunday morning!!! 8am Lawndale parking lot? You will 
love it!

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Confession! I bought a mountain bike

[Montclair BobbyB]

Admittedly I am a convert from hydraulic suspension and vow I'll never go 
back...The instant response and subtle flex of rigid steel to me offers the 
ultimate feel, yet the combo of cushy rubber, a well-broken-in B17 saddle 
and the flex gives me plenty of passive suspension.

That said, it really does depend on the kind of riding you plan to do... I 
ride like an old man, savoring every twist of the trail, so my setup is 
perfect for ME.  For fast riding, especially over chattery surfaces, 
suspension (IMO) allows you to hold your line far better (critical at 
speed) and keeps your teeth from rattling. Also if you're prone to catching 
air, you will want suspension.  But for my everyday riding, including slow, 
technical single track I'll take rigid steel any day of the week.

If anyone ever visits the Central Jersey/New Hope PA area give me a 
shout... I've got a 'guest bike' (and some sweet trails out my back door) 
that may make you a believer, too.

Peace,
BB


On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 9:20:08 AM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote:
>
> > When it comes to that activity I suspect most of us are quite content 
> with modern frames, suspension, disk brakes and clickety-clack shifting. I 
> want one, too!
>
> Jeff Jones  makes rather compelling arguments 
> that an effective modern MTB frame need not include suspension
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Confession! I bought a mountain bike

[Clayton.sf]

My Jones feels very rigid compared to a typical modern mtb. It is a good thing 
though as it allows for an excuse or a brag. Same with riding it SS.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Confession! I bought a mountain bike

[Tim Gavin]

I love vintage MTBs, but used as all-rounder/"bomber" bikes, not for
singletrack.

My off-road skills are not great, so I appreciate all the help I can get
when it gets technical.  I'm really happy with my fat bike for
singletrack.  It's a rigid frame but with plenty of suspension effect (and
tons of traction) from the huge tires.  With it, I can clutz over stuff
that would cause me to crash on a rigid 26er.

Tim

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Clayton.sf  wrote:

> let's ride Annadel early Sunday morning!!! 8am Lawndale parking lot? You
> will love it!
>
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
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[RBW] Re: Confession! I bought a mountain bike

[Manuel Acosta]

Welcome to the Dark Side. 
And apparently it comes with front suspension


On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 5:21:26 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> A couple months back I put 5 bikes up for sale, needing to sell 2.  Turns 
> out I sold 3.  I needed to raise funds and also clear garage space for my 
> new career as Team Mechanic for El Cerrito High School Mountain Bike 
> Racing.  Go Gauchos!
>
> Anyhow, two bikes went directly to listers, and one went to a friend of 
> Manny's.  So it's tangentially list-content to share what I spent the money 
> on.  First I bought my son a used tuba and a new trombone, so he won't have 
> to shuttle instruments to and from school every day.  Then I bought a 
> mountain bike.  It is a Niner Air 9.  
>
>
> http://www.jensonusa.com/Mountain-Bikes/Niner-Air-9-Carbon-1-Star-Deore-Bike
>
> Yes, it's crabon fibre.  It's got through axles, hydraulic disks and a 
> 100mm travel fork.  I'm pretty excited to get my hands on it.  My brother 
> in law is picking it up at Jenson and I'll get it this weekend.  Now I will 
> have a contemporary hardtail race bike to keep me up to speed on the 
> newfangled componentry.  Wish me luck!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Confession! I bought a mountain bike

[Mike Schiller]

I'm with you BB... steel forever.  Rigid steel MTB's are just more fun. 
I've had 3 full sus bikes...no more.  Now I'm making the move to a 27.5" 
 plus bikes with 3" tires.  

~mike
Carlsbad Ca

On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 7:30:01 AM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB 
wrote:
>
> Admittedly I am a convert from hydraulic suspension and vow I'll never go 
> back...The instant response and subtle flex of rigid steel to me offers the 
> ultimate feel, yet the combo of cushy rubber, a well-broken-in B17 saddle 
> and the flex gives me plenty of passive suspension.
>
> That said, it really does depend on the kind of riding you plan to do... I 
> ride like an old man, savoring every twist of the trail, so my setup is 
> perfect for ME.  For fast riding, especially over chattery surfaces, 
> suspension (IMO) allows you to hold your line far better (critical at 
> speed) and keeps your teeth from rattling. Also if you're prone to catching 
> air, you will want suspension.  But for my everyday riding, including slow, 
> technical single track I'll take rigid steel any day of the week.
>
> If anyone ever visits the Central Jersey/New Hope PA area give me a 
> shout... I've got a 'guest bike' (and some sweet trails out my back door) 
> that may make you a believer, too.
>
> Peace,
> BB
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Confession! I bought a mountain bike

[Joe Bernard]

I've long felt that interest in vintage mountain bikes is more for how cool 
they look, and less any real intention to shred singletrack on a regular 
basis. When it comes to that activity I suspect most of us are quite 
content with modern frames, suspension, disk brakes and clickety-clack 
shifting. I want one, too!

On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 5:21:26 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> A couple months back I put 5 bikes up for sale, needing to sell 2.  Turns 
> out I sold 3.  I needed to raise funds and also clear garage space for my 
> new career as Team Mechanic for El Cerrito High School Mountain Bike 
> Racing.  Go Gauchos!
>
> Anyhow, two bikes went directly to listers, and one went to a friend of 
> Manny's.  So it's tangentially list-content to share what I spent the money 
> on.  First I bought my son a used tuba and a new trombone, so he won't have 
> to shuttle instruments to and from school every day.  Then I bought a 
> mountain bike.  It is a Niner Air 9.  
>
>
> http://www.jensonusa.com/Mountain-Bikes/Niner-Air-9-Carbon-1-Star-Deore-Bike
>
> Yes, it's crabon fibre.  It's got through axles, hydraulic disks and a 
> 100mm travel fork.  I'm pretty excited to get my hands on it.  My brother 
> in law is picking it up at Jenson and I'll get it this weekend.  Now I will 
> have a contemporary hardtail race bike to keep me up to speed on the 
> newfangled componentry.  Wish me luck!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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