[RBW] Re: Contemplating which route to take with a Sam, budget build or riv build kit
From what Rich explained to me that the XT hubs are standard, though Shimano hubs are made in Asia anyways, and the Velocity sport hubs are loose ball and just as easy to service, and made in Taiwan and has a silver finish. The Tektro sidepulls aren't too bad once you replace them with Kool Stops. I might upgrade to Paul centerpulls, but Pauls are also 4 times the price. The Tektro CR720s are awesome with Kool Stops ($15 upgrade). Almost as good as my Paul Touring Cantis, again a fraction of the price. Also easier for me to service if I'm out on the trails. Also has road-type cartridges which are easy to replace. Pauls also needs an extra wrench, which some people might dislike (I don't mind). On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 10:37:33 AM UTC-4, Ginz wrote: Ah, ok then. The only parts on the list I would consider upgrading are brakes (if using cantis, not crazy about the tektros but they are ok) and the wheelset. If Phil Wood or XT or something a little nicer isn't in the budget, then that's fine too. Derailleurs on a friction-shifted bike matter little to me. The rest of the stuff on the bike is honestly fine unless you are going with Paul, Phil Wood, etc. The rest of the stuff is Nitto, so how can I complain! To summarize -- the hubs the brakes are the only things in the build kit that truly make me think -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating which route to take with a Sam, budget build or riv build kit
Ah, ok then. The only parts on the list I would consider upgrading are brakes (if using cantis, not crazy about the tektros but they are ok) and the wheelset. If Phil Wood or XT or something a little nicer isn't in the budget, then that's fine too. Derailleurs on a friction-shifted bike matter little to me. The rest of the stuff on the bike is honestly fine unless you are going with Paul, Phil Wood, etc. The rest of the stuff is Nitto, so how can I complain! To summarize -- the hubs the brakes are the only things in the build kit that truly make me think -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating which route to take with a Sam, budget build or riv build kit
Being Frugal is great! There are a few things I didn't really think through or know about when I built my Sam 9 months ago. I wish I would of built the front wheel with a dyno hub,so I could add a head and tail light later. I don't commute or ride much at night but now days I like to have daytime running lights ( hate dealing with batteries).Now it's a winter project to put on the list.. But isn't that have the fun of it...tinkering with your bike and fine tuning it to your liking. Somethings like bags, or saddles,handle bars, and tires you have to try to know if you like it. I think the people at Rivendell have it down to a science and are very helpful when starting a build. Getting perspectives from the friendly experienced people on this site is a big plus. Jon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating which route to take with a Sam, budget build or riv build kit
If you still have one of those ~$1000 bikes, you could move some or all of the parts over to the new frame. Then you can spend time finding parts to put the old frame back on the road, or simply sell the leftovers. If you don't have a spare bike, there's always Craigslist. Any size bike will work as a parts donor. You need to be a little careful on component sizes, but it's a learning experience. Philip www.biketinker.com On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 10:41:58 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote: Not on the site. I meant a build with items of your choosing. On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 11:07:57 AM UTC-7, Ginz wrote: Is the budget kit listed on the site? I only see one type of build kit under Frames Maybe after I start making a list of actual prices the riv build kits will look better. But at the moment $1400 for the build kit does not strike me as a budget build. It's hard to swallow when the last couple of complete bikes I bought were ~$1000 and for the most part beyond maybe changing pedals or the saddle. I've liked the mid-level parts they've come with. On my test ride while I loved the way the bike rode. I wasn't really wowed by the function of the shifters, brakes, etc. On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 3:54:58 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: Pretty much, the Riv build kit *is* a budget build. Whatever else you might say about them, Rivendell isn't about excess bling for its own sake. In what areas would you go cheaper than the Riv build kit? I've made up my mind. One more serious test ride to be absolutely positive. Then get the frame and slowly start piecing parts together. Think I'll enjoy the process. Thanks for the advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating which route to take with a Sam, budget build or riv build kit
I recently built a bike with 8-speed XT bits that were gathered in a leisurely fashion, mostly from the bay, along with this and that from the list and from my boxes. Each individual transaction seemed cheap, and I was careful never to total the costs, therefore the build was cheap. QED. Actually, I *think* I'm at $400 or slightly north for all the parts. I scored a really, really cheap deal on some new wheels (Shimano/Mavic Open, which needed touching up) on the bay, which included shipping, and maybe the sweetest part was a beautiful XTR seat post I got for $15 because of some scratches on the back, which are completely covered by the seat bag. I think that was a successful build. $600 all in with the frame, thanks to a lister in LA who picked up the frame and shuttled it to San Diego a few weeks later. Great experience. $600 isn't throw-away coin, but I think there's value there. What's the total cost of the Riv build? https://www.flickr.com/photos/pbridge1300/16899727095/in/datetaken/ complete with wrong-side brake levers ... I'll have to swap them one of these days. ~pb -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating which route to take with a Sam, budget build or riv build kit
While at Riv were the clems available to ride? http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-clemsmith.htm For the price of the HIllborne frame you get a complete bike ready to roll! I know it's not the Hillborne, but considering the evolution of riv bikes I'd say all the good that's in the Hillborne most likely can be found in the Clem Jr. And it looks great! And I know the parts Riv hung on it will serve you well for many miles, then as others have mentioned replace with higher end parts if that's your penchant. +1 on the stem mounted shifters, I know that's the direction I'm leaning with my Hilsen, Albatross bars those shifters for me will be a sweet spot. The IRD are particularly beautiful, I love how the cables just loop efficiently to the down tube. Will's Sam is how I'd build it up, tho with those shifters I mentioned above. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff8.htm Tail Winds, ~Hugh On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 9:57:26 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote: So I test rode a sam the other day and really enjoyed the ride. Getting my ducks in a row to swing a frame. I've always wanted to build up a frame. But as my camaro sitting in the garage proves, sometimes projects don't go as planned. A concern is that the budget build doesn't turn out to be that thrifty after all. But maybe it'll be fine, I'm a pretty picky shopper and my equipment work out pretty well. Seeking advice from those that were in my position. Any regrets not just taking the easier route? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating which route to take with a Sam, budget build or riv build kit
On 06/09/2015 01:04 PM, Philip Williamson wrote: If you still have one of those ~$1000 bikes, you could move some or all of the parts over to the new frame. Then you can spend time finding parts to put the old frame back on the road, or simply sell the leftovers. You could even buy one of those complete-built-up Surly LHTs, strip off the parts and sell the frame and I'll bet you'd still come out ahead compared to the price of buying the identical components separately at retail. Back in the day, didn't there used to be a fairly crappy bike that came with a full Campag Nuovo Record gruppo, where people would buy the bike, take it out back behind the bike shop, take off the parts and throw the frames right in the dumpster? I don't think that was urban legend. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating which route to take with a Sam, budget build or riv build kit
if budget is your main concern, i would second going the used/ebay/internet search route. obviously, that takes much longer. you can, however save a ton of money, get your bike fun and rideable, and then swap out for more expensive parts later or as you need them. i put a sam together for a little less than 600$ (including saddle/seatpost/pedals) by making some trades, bidding, using coupons, buying from the group, digging in parts bins etc. in some cases, i ended up with better items than would be in the riv build kit. only a few concessions were made (older bar ends, claris derailleur, vintage sr seatpost). the wheelset is where you'll spend the most, and for my purposes, a lightly used/good quality wheelset (not hard to find in 700c) was a worthy concession to save 2-300$. ill get a few years or more out of them and then i can upgrade if i want. in the meantime, i have a bike that rides great and i saved some money that i can spend on bags and racks and lights and whatever. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating which route to take with a Sam, budget build or riv build kit
IIRC, and thanks to listmembers' generosity, I paid less than $400 for a set of very nice parts indeed, including wheels and tires, for my Ram, though I did have a few things stashed away, like f and r derailleurs. The build was considerably more high-end than Riv's basic build. On 6/8/15, drew drewbeckme...@gmail.com wrote: if budget is your main concern, i would second going the used/ebay/internet search route. obviously, that takes much longer. you can, however save a ton of money, get your bike fun and rideable, and then swap out for more expensive parts later or as you need them. i put a sam together for a little less than 600$ (including saddle/seatpost/pedals) by making some trades, bidding, using coupons, buying from the group, digging in parts bins etc. in some cases, i ended up with better items than would be in the riv build kit. only a few concessions were made (older bar ends, claris derailleur, vintage sr seatpost). the wheelset is where you'll spend the most, and for my purposes, a lightly used/good quality wheelset (not hard to find in 700c) was a worthy concession to save 2-300$. ill get a few years or more out of them and then i can upgrade if i want. in the meantime, i have a bike that rides great and i saved some money that i can spend on bags and racks and lights and whatever. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating which route to take with a Sam, budget build or riv build kit
Is the budget kit listed on the site? I only see one type of build kit under Frames -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating which route to take with a Sam, budget build or riv build kit
Not on the site. I meant a build with items of your choosing. On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 11:07:57 AM UTC-7, Ginz wrote: Is the budget kit listed on the site? I only see one type of build kit under Frames Maybe after I start making a list of actual prices the riv build kits will look better. But at the moment $1400 for the build kit does not strike me as a budget build. It's hard to swallow when the last couple of complete bikes I bought were ~$1000 and for the most part beyond maybe changing pedals or the saddle. I've liked the mid-level parts they've come with. On my test ride while I loved the way the bike rode. I wasn't really wowed by the function of the shifters, brakes, etc. On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 3:54:58 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: Pretty much, the Riv build kit *is* a budget build. Whatever else you might say about them, Rivendell isn't about excess bling for its own sake. In what areas would you go cheaper than the Riv build kit? I've made up my mind. One more serious test ride to be absolutely positive. Then get the frame and slowly start piecing parts together. Think I'll enjoy the process. Thanks for the advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating which route to take with a Sam, budget build or riv build kit
For my Sam I got a few years ago, I needed to stick to a tight budget. I got the frame fork and headset used from this list, and then I worked hard to get stuff used or cheap. Those things I bought new, I got from Riv, like a Sugino crank, brake levers, one bar end shifter (I run 1x8 to save massive amounts of dollars and weight from not having a FD haha) and a few other things, but it did take a little more time and work. Either way, the end result is well worth the time and money! Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating which route to take with a Sam, budget build or riv build kit
Go with the Riv kit. It's been extensively cherry-picked by folks that build and ride the bikes every day. On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 11:57:26 PM UTC-5, Daniel D. wrote: So I test rode a sam the other day and really enjoyed the ride. Getting my ducks in a row to swing a frame. I've always wanted to build up a frame. But as my camaro sitting in the garage proves, sometimes projects don't go as planned. A concern is that the budget build doesn't turn out to be that thrifty after all. But maybe it'll be fine, I'm a pretty picky shopper and my equipment work out pretty well. Seeking advice from those that were in my position. Any regrets not just taking the easier route? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating which route to take with a Sam, budget build or riv build kit
I recently bought the Sam frame. I would've gone with the Riv Build kit, had not already had those parts laying around (Nitto seatpost, brooks, sugino triple,long reach Tektro, etc). Along with the frame, I got Rich wheels (dyno hub), Eyc light, Mark's rack, and the 650b paselas. On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 12:57:26 AM UTC-4, Daniel D. wrote: So I test rode a sam the other day and really enjoyed the ride. Getting my ducks in a row to swing a frame. I've always wanted to build up a frame. But as my camaro sitting in the garage proves, sometimes projects don't go as planned. A concern is that the budget build doesn't turn out to be that thrifty after all. But maybe it'll be fine, I'm a pretty picky shopper and my equipment work out pretty well. Seeking advice from those that were in my position. Any regrets not just taking the easier route? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
