Re: [RBW] Re: Cool Tools for Home Wrenchers

2022-02-23 Thread lconley 
A head stud (which interestingly has no head, which is why it is a stud).

Laing

On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 9:26:35 AM UTC-5 Jim Bronson wrote:

> But what if you install ARP head studs in that same domestic V8, in the 
> interest of more uniform and greater clamping performance?  Then what is it 
> called?
>
> ;)
>
> Jim
> Leander, TX
>
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 8:19 AM lconley  wrote:
>
>> There is no physical difference between a machine screw and a bolt. How 
>> they are used determines what they are called. If it is fastened with a 
>> nut, it is a bolt. If it is threaded into something else (like a casting), 
>> it is a machine screw. Take a machine screw out of a casting and put a nut 
>> on it and presto change-o, the machine screw magically transforms into a 
>> bolt. Thus, what are commonly called "head bolts" by millions of people 
>> working on American V-8s are actually "head machine screws."  The B-screw 
>> is accurately named because it is not fastened with a bolt.
>>
>> Laing Conley
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 6:08:41 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>> Um, machine screws tend to be fastened with a screwdriver, while bolts 
>>> tend to have a nut and be fastened with a wrench.
>>> This leaves open what to call a fastener that uses an allen wrench - 
>>> most common is capscrew, but bolt is also used.
>>>
>>> Real quick JIS explanation from a motorcycle guy:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpqUhIZ-EJo
>>>
>>> The VESSEL JIS +2 screwdriver is $10 from Amazon.
>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000TG8OTY/
>>>
>>> When I discovered JIS and bought a JIS +2 screwdriver, adjusting 
>>> derailleurs and B-screws became a WHOLE lot easier.
>>> And, yes, there’s a dot on their heads - you just have to look close for 
>>> it.
>>>
>>> aero (mechanical engineer) perf
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cool Tools for Home Wrenchers

2022-02-23 Thread Jim Bronson 
But what if you install ARP head studs in that same domestic V8, in the
interest of more uniform and greater clamping performance?  Then what is it
called?

;)

Jim
Leander, TX

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 8:19 AM lconley  wrote:

> There is no physical difference between a machine screw and a bolt. How
> they are used determines what they are called. If it is fastened with a
> nut, it is a bolt. If it is threaded into something else (like a casting),
> it is a machine screw. Take a machine screw out of a casting and put a nut
> on it and presto change-o, the machine screw magically transforms into a
> bolt. Thus, what are commonly called "head bolts" by millions of people
> working on American V-8s are actually "head machine screws."  The B-screw
> is accurately named because it is not fastened with a bolt.
>
> Laing Conley
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 6:08:41 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> Um, machine screws tend to be fastened with a screwdriver, while bolts
>> tend to have a nut and be fastened with a wrench.
>> This leaves open what to call a fastener that uses an allen wrench - most
>> common is capscrew, but bolt is also used.
>>
>> Real quick JIS explanation from a motorcycle guy:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpqUhIZ-EJo
>>
>> The VESSEL JIS +2 screwdriver is $10 from Amazon.
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000TG8OTY/
>>
>> When I discovered JIS and bought a JIS +2 screwdriver, adjusting
>> derailleurs and B-screws became a WHOLE lot easier.
>> And, yes, there’s a dot on their heads - you just have to look close for
>> it.
>>
>> aero (mechanical engineer) perf
>>
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[RBW] Re: Cool Tools for Home Wrenchers

2022-02-23 Thread lconley 
There is no physical difference between a machine screw and a bolt. How 
they are used determines what they are called. If it is fastened with a 
nut, it is a bolt. If it is threaded into something else (like a casting), 
it is a machine screw. Take a machine screw out of a casting and put a nut 
on it and presto change-o, the machine screw magically transforms into a 
bolt. Thus, what are commonly called "head bolts" by millions of people 
working on American V-8s are actually "head machine screws."  The B-screw 
is accurately named because it is not fastened with a bolt.

Laing Conley


On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 6:08:41 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

> Um, machine screws tend to be fastened with a screwdriver, while bolts 
> tend to have a nut and be fastened with a wrench.
> This leaves open what to call a fastener that uses an allen wrench - most 
> common is capscrew, but bolt is also used.
>
> Real quick JIS explanation from a motorcycle guy:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpqUhIZ-EJo
>
> The VESSEL JIS +2 screwdriver is $10 from Amazon.
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000TG8OTY/
>
> When I discovered JIS and bought a JIS +2 screwdriver, adjusting 
> derailleurs and B-screws became a WHOLE lot easier.
> And, yes, there’s a dot on their heads - you just have to look close for 
> it.
>
> aero (mechanical engineer) perf
>

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[RBW] Re: Cool Tools for Home Wrenchers

2022-02-22 Thread aeroperf 
Um, machine screws tend to be fastened with a screwdriver, while bolts tend 
to have a nut and be fastened with a wrench.
This leaves open what to call a fastener that uses an allen wrench - most 
common is capscrew, but bolt is also used.

Real quick JIS explanation from a motorcycle guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpqUhIZ-EJo

The VESSEL JIS +2 screwdriver is $10 from Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000TG8OTY/

When I discovered JIS and bought a JIS +2 screwdriver, adjusting 
derailleurs and B-screws became a WHOLE lot easier.
And, yes, there’s a dot on their heads - you just have to look close for it.

aero (mechanical engineer) perf

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[RBW] Re: Cool Tools for Home Wrenchers

2022-02-22 Thread lconley 
The JIS is basically a Phillips with a shorter point. The are a lot of 
other detail differences, but the one that matters the most is the length 
of the tip. If you have a JIS screw, you cannot get a Phillips in deep 
enough to engage properly, and the Phillips can rotate without the screw 
and sometimes strip the head of the screw. The JIS screwdriver head will 
fit deeper into the JIS screw and turn the screw without slipping. The JIS 
screwdriver generally fits better in a Phillips screw than a Phillips 
screwdriver in a JIS screw. There is an even pointier version called a Reed 
or Reed and Prince screwdriver that has the same problem in a Phillips 
screw that a Phillips screwdriver has in JIS screw. A Reed and Prince 
screwdriver doesn't work at all in a JIS screw.

Laing
Don't ask me about the difference between machine screws and bolts

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 12:11:57 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> What's different about the way that screwdriver is made that makes it work 
> better than run-of-the-mill tools?  I can't see enough details from that 
> Rivbike photo.
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 8:54:59 AM UTC-6 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Thank you John for sharing. I recently changed the bearings in one of my 
>> WI hubs using a home made tool which worked, but was not optimal. I can see 
>> the value in this one and will order it.
>>
>> I don't know if others have tried the Hozan JIS 2 screwdriver which Riv 
>> sells, but I have and it's rather amazing at how well it works compared to 
>> a std Phillips head screwdriver. After all those years of the wrong tool 
>> slipping and not really working to finally using a tool designed for the 
>> job is certainly satisfying. Well worth the $20.
>>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/copy-of-tool-park-multi-tool-mt-1?_pos=7&_sid=b92c34749&_ss=r
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 1:30:35 AM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> A close second to riding bikes is the joy I find in working with tools 
>>> of all sorts. This is one of the more effable qualities that make bikes so 
>>> cool: you can ride them AND wrench them. From an early age, my father 
>>> instilled in me the great pleasure that can be had in finding 'the right 
>>> tool for the job.' I've made a handful of tools that work fine, but to use 
>>> a tool well-made and for the purpose can be a real treat. 
>>>
>>> To wit, I recently acquired a bearing extractor and press that I used to 
>>> replace the bearings on my White hub. I'm not sure what such a procedure 
>>> would cost in a shop, but I'd be hard-pressed to put a price on the 
>>> satisfaction that comes from playing with cool tools and tinkering with 
>>> bicycles in my own workshop. With these nice (and inexpensive) tools, 
>>> replacing bearings (a first for me) was smooth, fun, and easy.
>>> [image: bearingtools.jpg]
>>> Incidentally, these came from bearingprotools in the UK.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> John
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Cool Tools for Home Wrenchers

2022-02-22 Thread George Schick 
What's different about the way that screwdriver is made that makes it work 
better than run-of-the-mill tools?  I can't see enough details from that 
Rivbike photo.


On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 8:54:59 AM UTC-6 JohnS wrote:

> Thank you John for sharing. I recently changed the bearings in one of my 
> WI hubs using a home made tool which worked, but was not optimal. I can see 
> the value in this one and will order it.
>
> I don't know if others have tried the Hozan JIS 2 screwdriver which Riv 
> sells, but I have and it's rather amazing at how well it works compared to 
> a std Phillips head screwdriver. After all those years of the wrong tool 
> slipping and not really working to finally using a tool designed for the 
> job is certainly satisfying. Well worth the $20.
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/copy-of-tool-park-multi-tool-mt-1?_pos=7&_sid=b92c34749&_ss=r
>
> JohnS
>
> On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 1:30:35 AM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> A close second to riding bikes is the joy I find in working with tools of 
>> all sorts. This is one of the more effable qualities that make bikes so 
>> cool: you can ride them AND wrench them. From an early age, my father 
>> instilled in me the great pleasure that can be had in finding 'the right 
>> tool for the job.' I've made a handful of tools that work fine, but to use 
>> a tool well-made and for the purpose can be a real treat. 
>>
>> To wit, I recently acquired a bearing extractor and press that I used to 
>> replace the bearings on my White hub. I'm not sure what such a procedure 
>> would cost in a shop, but I'd be hard-pressed to put a price on the 
>> satisfaction that comes from playing with cool tools and tinkering with 
>> bicycles in my own workshop. With these nice (and inexpensive) tools, 
>> replacing bearings (a first for me) was smooth, fun, and easy.
>> [image: bearingtools.jpg]
>> Incidentally, these came from bearingprotools in the UK.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> John
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cool Tools for Home Wrenchers

2022-02-22 Thread JohnS 
Thank you John for sharing. I recently changed the bearings in one of my WI 
hubs using a home made tool which worked, but was not optimal. I can see 
the value in this one and will order it.

I don't know if others have tried the Hozan JIS 2 screwdriver which Riv 
sells, but I have and it's rather amazing at how well it works compared to 
a std Phillips head screwdriver. After all those years of the wrong tool 
slipping and not really working to finally using a tool designed for the 
job is certainly satisfying. Well worth the $20.

https://www.rivbike.com/products/copy-of-tool-park-multi-tool-mt-1?_pos=7&_sid=b92c34749&_ss=r

JohnS

On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 1:30:35 AM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> A close second to riding bikes is the joy I find in working with tools of 
> all sorts. This is one of the more effable qualities that make bikes so 
> cool: you can ride them AND wrench them. From an early age, my father 
> instilled in me the great pleasure that can be had in finding 'the right 
> tool for the job.' I've made a handful of tools that work fine, but to use 
> a tool well-made and for the purpose can be a real treat. 
>
> To wit, I recently acquired a bearing extractor and press that I used to 
> replace the bearings on my White hub. I'm not sure what such a procedure 
> would cost in a shop, but I'd be hard-pressed to put a price on the 
> satisfaction that comes from playing with cool tools and tinkering with 
> bicycles in my own workshop. With these nice (and inexpensive) tools, 
> replacing bearings (a first for me) was smooth, fun, and easy.
> [image: bearingtools.jpg]
> Incidentally, these came from bearingprotools in the UK.
>
> Cheers,
> John
>

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