Re: [RBW] Re: Current Status

2014-03-04 Thread ascpgh
Great video ride report, at 2:47 he rides by my work.

I can ride that trail to DC on my Rambouillet but it's too delicate for my 
commute. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, March 3, 2014 7:56:37 PM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:

 Andy,

 Crappy roads again another reason fat tires are optimal. I don't know how 
 you folks weather (pun intended) the extremes as you do. Perhaps, it's the 
 fact that Spring and Fall are so glorious which sustains.

 I'd really enjoy a tour like this video,

 http://vimeo.com/75444916

 Looks to be superb. Look forward to your ride reports.

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:52 AM, ascpgh asc...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:

 When riding starts in my group, we're going to have to require helmets 
 and huge tires as it looks from here. 

 Kinder winters for the last two years lulled municipal road departments 
 and those older, more porous streets and roads have simply given up to 
 entropy this winter, returning to their particulate origins. Short of road 
 salt so plows ran yesterday, spalling the already delicate roads. It's 
 going to be more dangerous to ride in a group in the spring on these roads 
 than it is now. The persistent snow pack may be more reminiscent of Siberia 
 than North America, but it sure helps level and bind the degraded roads and 
 streets. 

 Days are getting longer, I could see the blue of the blue of the sky 
 before dawn the other day as I got to work, while it was 3°. Ah the coming 
 days of warmth when all unfreezes and lets go. 

 Andy Cheatham 
 Pittsburgh


 On Sunday, March 2, 2014 9:18:48 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:

 It went by here last night leaving a fresh 4 on top of the 10 feet we 
 have already received...sigh.  I'm tired of studded tires.  Ironically, 
 with daylight savings time a week away, I sent out a press release for the 
 local club to announce the beginning of our organized ride season.  It's 
 got to have people rolling on the floor.

 Marc

 On Saturday, March 1, 2014 2:20:32 PM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Thanks a LOT Hugh... We're actually expecting the remnants of that 
 storm here in Central NJ (in the form of snow) beginning Sunday, and 
 lasting most of Monday... Estimates range from 6-12 inches, possibly 
 more...  We'll be jealous of the nice weather that no doubt follows your 
 deluge...   

 On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:57:30 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:

 Yep the first big storm of 2014 in Southern California...for those of 
 you out East jealous of our fair weather, well read about it 
 herehttp://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/and  know that we sometimes 
 have to change plans.

 ~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Current Status

2014-03-04 Thread ascpgh
Was the site for Riv Rally East 2012 (Cumberland, MD to Ohiopyle): 
https://plus.google.com/photos/109160474815391208206/albums/5734418972998954145?authkey=CKeJm-Lc1_fzEA

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, March 3, 2014 9:09:23 PM UTC-5, Pondero wrote:

 Hugh, if that video is remotely representative, it looks like the perfect 
 tour to me.  It'll take a miracle for me to make it to one of the Rivendell 
 gatherings this year, but I hope you all have rides like that.

 And document it.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Current Status

2014-03-04 Thread John Philip
Not always so glorious;) Tom N. and I rode back to Cumberland. Riv Rally 
East 
2012…. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cnyriv/7109411609/in/set-72157629525386656 

On Monday, March 3, 2014 7:56:37 PM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:

 Andy,

 Crappy roads again another reason fat tires are optimal. I don't know how 
 you folks weather (pun intended) the extremes as you do. Perhaps, it's the 
 fact that Spring and Fall are so glorious which sustains.

 I'd really enjoy a tour like this video,

 http://vimeo.com/75444916

 Looks to be superb. Look forward to your ride reports.

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:52 AM, ascpgh asc...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:

 When riding starts in my group, we're going to have to require helmets 
 and huge tires as it looks from here. 

 Kinder winters for the last two years lulled municipal road departments 
 and those older, more porous streets and roads have simply given up to 
 entropy this winter, returning to their particulate origins. Short of road 
 salt so plows ran yesterday, spalling the already delicate roads. It's 
 going to be more dangerous to ride in a group in the spring on these roads 
 than it is now. The persistent snow pack may be more reminiscent of Siberia 
 than North America, but it sure helps level and bind the degraded roads and 
 streets. 

 Days are getting longer, I could see the blue of the blue of the sky 
 before dawn the other day as I got to work, while it was 3°. Ah the coming 
 days of warmth when all unfreezes and lets go. 

 Andy Cheatham 
 Pittsburgh


 On Sunday, March 2, 2014 9:18:48 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:

 It went by here last night leaving a fresh 4 on top of the 10 feet we 
 have already received...sigh.  I'm tired of studded tires.  Ironically, 
 with daylight savings time a week away, I sent out a press release for the 
 local club to announce the beginning of our organized ride season.  It's 
 got to have people rolling on the floor.

 Marc

 On Saturday, March 1, 2014 2:20:32 PM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Thanks a LOT Hugh... We're actually expecting the remnants of that 
 storm here in Central NJ (in the form of snow) beginning Sunday, and 
 lasting most of Monday... Estimates range from 6-12 inches, possibly 
 more...  We'll be jealous of the nice weather that no doubt follows your 
 deluge...   

 On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:57:30 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:

 Yep the first big storm of 2014 in Southern California...for those of 
 you out East jealous of our fair weather, well read about it 
 herehttp://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/and  know that we sometimes 
 have to change plans.

 ~Hugh

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[RBW] Re: Current Status

2014-03-03 Thread ascpgh
When riding starts in my group, we're going to have to require helmets and 
huge tires as it looks from here. 

Kinder winters for the last two years lulled municipal road departments and 
those older, more porous streets and roads have simply given up to entropy 
this winter, returning to their particulate origins. Short of road salt so 
plows ran yesterday, spalling the already delicate roads. It's going to be 
more dangerous to ride in a group in the spring on these roads than it is 
now. The persistent snow pack may be more reminiscent of Siberia than North 
America, but it sure helps level and bind the degraded roads and streets. 

Days are getting longer, I could see the blue of the blue of the sky before 
dawn the other day as I got to work, while it was 3°. Ah the coming days of 
warmth when all unfreezes and lets go. 

Andy Cheatham 
Pittsburgh


On Sunday, March 2, 2014 9:18:48 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:

 It went by here last night leaving a fresh 4 on top of the 10 feet we 
 have already received...sigh.  I'm tired of studded tires.  Ironically, 
 with daylight savings time a week away, I sent out a press release for the 
 local club to announce the beginning of our organized ride season.  It's 
 got to have people rolling on the floor.

 Marc

 On Saturday, March 1, 2014 2:20:32 PM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Thanks a LOT Hugh... We're actually expecting the remnants of that storm 
 here in Central NJ (in the form of snow) beginning Sunday, and lasting most 
 of Monday... Estimates range from 6-12 inches, possibly more...  We'll be 
 jealous of the nice weather that no doubt follows your deluge...   

 On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:57:30 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:

 Yep the first big storm of 2014 in Southern California...for those of 
 you out East jealous of our fair weather, well read about it 
 herehttp://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/and  know that we sometimes 
 have to change plans.

 ~Hugh



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Re: [RBW] Re: Current Status

2014-03-03 Thread Hugh Smitham
Andy,

Crappy roads again another reason fat tires are optimal. I don't know how
you folks weather (pun intended) the extremes as you do. Perhaps, it's the
fact that Spring and Fall are so glorious which sustains.

I'd really enjoy a tour like this video,

http://vimeo.com/75444916

Looks to be superb. Look forward to your ride reports.

~Hugh

Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving. -- Albert Einstein

http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:52 AM, ascpgh asc@gmail.com wrote:

 When riding starts in my group, we're going to have to require helmets and
 huge tires as it looks from here.

 Kinder winters for the last two years lulled municipal road departments
 and those older, more porous streets and roads have simply given up to
 entropy this winter, returning to their particulate origins. Short of road
 salt so plows ran yesterday, spalling the already delicate roads. It's
 going to be more dangerous to ride in a group in the spring on these roads
 than it is now. The persistent snow pack may be more reminiscent of Siberia
 than North America, but it sure helps level and bind the degraded roads and
 streets.

 Days are getting longer, I could see the blue of the blue of the sky
 before dawn the other day as I got to work, while it was 3°. Ah the coming
 days of warmth when all unfreezes and lets go.

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh


 On Sunday, March 2, 2014 9:18:48 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:

 It went by here last night leaving a fresh 4 on top of the 10 feet we
 have already received...sigh.  I'm tired of studded tires.  Ironically,
 with daylight savings time a week away, I sent out a press release for the
 local club to announce the beginning of our organized ride season.  It's
 got to have people rolling on the floor.

 Marc

 On Saturday, March 1, 2014 2:20:32 PM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Thanks a LOT Hugh... We're actually expecting the remnants of that storm
 here in Central NJ (in the form of snow) beginning Sunday, and lasting most
 of Monday... Estimates range from 6-12 inches, possibly more...  We'll be
 jealous of the nice weather that no doubt follows your deluge...

 On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:57:30 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:

 Yep the first big storm of 2014 in Southern California...for those of
 you out East jealous of our fair weather, well read about it 
 herehttp://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/and  know that we sometimes 
 have to change plans.

 ~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Current Status

2014-03-03 Thread Chris Chen
You realize that NW weather is actually pretty tame; rainfall is usually
pretty light and big storms are nothing like those storms that cause half
the San Gabriels to fall apart.

Also, we're just far tougher than you.

cc


On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Andy,

 Crappy roads again another reason fat tires are optimal. I don't know how
 you folks weather (pun intended) the extremes as you do. Perhaps, it's the
 fact that Spring and Fall are so glorious which sustains.

 I'd really enjoy a tour like this video,

 http://vimeo.com/75444916

 Looks to be superb. Look forward to your ride reports.

 ~Hugh

 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving. -- Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:52 AM, ascpgh asc@gmail.com wrote:

 When riding starts in my group, we're going to have to require helmets
 and huge tires as it looks from here.

 Kinder winters for the last two years lulled municipal road departments
 and those older, more porous streets and roads have simply given up to
 entropy this winter, returning to their particulate origins. Short of road
 salt so plows ran yesterday, spalling the already delicate roads. It's
 going to be more dangerous to ride in a group in the spring on these roads
 than it is now. The persistent snow pack may be more reminiscent of Siberia
 than North America, but it sure helps level and bind the degraded roads and
 streets.

 Days are getting longer, I could see the blue of the blue of the sky
 before dawn the other day as I got to work, while it was 3°. Ah the coming
 days of warmth when all unfreezes and lets go.

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh


 On Sunday, March 2, 2014 9:18:48 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:

 It went by here last night leaving a fresh 4 on top of the 10 feet we
 have already received...sigh.  I'm tired of studded tires.  Ironically,
 with daylight savings time a week away, I sent out a press release for the
 local club to announce the beginning of our organized ride season.  It's
 got to have people rolling on the floor.

 Marc

 On Saturday, March 1, 2014 2:20:32 PM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Thanks a LOT Hugh... We're actually expecting the remnants of that
 storm here in Central NJ (in the form of snow) beginning Sunday, and
 lasting most of Monday... Estimates range from 6-12 inches, possibly
 more...  We'll be jealous of the nice weather that no doubt follows your
 deluge...

 On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:57:30 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:

 Yep the first big storm of 2014 in Southern California...for those of
 you out East jealous of our fair weather, well read about it 
 herehttp://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/and  know that we sometimes 
 have to change plans.

 ~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Current Status

2014-03-03 Thread Pondero
Hugh, if that video is remotely representative, it looks like the perfect tour 
to me.  It'll take a miracle for me to make it to one of the Rivendell 
gatherings this year, but I hope you all have rides like that.

And document it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Current Status

2014-03-03 Thread Hugh Smitham
Chris Cocochen,

That's what I've always figured.

On the matter of toughness it's all relative. And inflated ego's abound
down here too!

~Hugh

Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving. -- Albert Einstein

http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

 You realize that NW weather is actually pretty tame; rainfall is usually
 pretty light and big storms are nothing like those storms that cause half
 the San Gabriels to fall apart.

 Also, we're just far tougher than you.

 cc


 On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.comwrote:

 Andy,

 Crappy roads again another reason fat tires are optimal. I don't know how
 you folks weather (pun intended) the extremes as you do. Perhaps, it's the
 fact that Spring and Fall are so glorious which sustains.

 I'd really enjoy a tour like this video,

 http://vimeo.com/75444916

 Looks to be superb. Look forward to your ride reports.

 ~Hugh

 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving. -- Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:52 AM, ascpgh asc@gmail.com wrote:

  When riding starts in my group, we're going to have to require helmets
 and huge tires as it looks from here.

 Kinder winters for the last two years lulled municipal road departments
 and those older, more porous streets and roads have simply given up to
 entropy this winter, returning to their particulate origins. Short of road
 salt so plows ran yesterday, spalling the already delicate roads. It's
 going to be more dangerous to ride in a group in the spring on these roads
 than it is now. The persistent snow pack may be more reminiscent of Siberia
 than North America, but it sure helps level and bind the degraded roads and
 streets.

 Days are getting longer, I could see the blue of the blue of the sky
 before dawn the other day as I got to work, while it was 3°. Ah the coming
 days of warmth when all unfreezes and lets go.

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh


 On Sunday, March 2, 2014 9:18:48 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:

 It went by here last night leaving a fresh 4 on top of the 10 feet we
 have already received...sigh.  I'm tired of studded tires.  Ironically,
 with daylight savings time a week away, I sent out a press release for the
 local club to announce the beginning of our organized ride season.  It's
 got to have people rolling on the floor.

 Marc

 On Saturday, March 1, 2014 2:20:32 PM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Thanks a LOT Hugh... We're actually expecting the remnants of that
 storm here in Central NJ (in the form of snow) beginning Sunday, and
 lasting most of Monday... Estimates range from 6-12 inches, possibly
 more...  We'll be jealous of the nice weather that no doubt follows your
 deluge...

 On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:57:30 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:

 Yep the first big storm of 2014 in Southern California...for those of
 you out East jealous of our fair weather, well read about it 
 herehttp://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/and  know that we sometimes 
 have to change plans.

 ~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Current Status

2014-03-03 Thread Hugh Smitham
Pondero,

Yeah the video is a nice tour of the North East, I won't be doing that
anytime soon. I wasn't planning to tour to the Riv rally but I noticed a
PDX RBW Bunch member mentioning the idea from Portland to SF now that would
be an adventure worth considering. And documentation is a given.

~Hugh

Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving. -- Albert Einstein

http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Chris Cocochen,

 That's what I've always figured.

 On the matter of toughness it's all relative. And inflated ego's abound
 down here too!

 ~Hugh

 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving. -- Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

 You realize that NW weather is actually pretty tame; rainfall is usually
 pretty light and big storms are nothing like those storms that cause half
 the San Gabriels to fall apart.

 Also, we're just far tougher than you.

 cc


 On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.comwrote:

 Andy,

 Crappy roads again another reason fat tires are optimal. I don't know
 how you folks weather (pun intended) the extremes as you do. Perhaps, it's
 the fact that Spring and Fall are so glorious which sustains.

 I'd really enjoy a tour like this video,

 http://vimeo.com/75444916

 Looks to be superb. Look forward to your ride reports.

 ~Hugh

 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving. -- Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:52 AM, ascpgh asc@gmail.com wrote:

  When riding starts in my group, we're going to have to require
 helmets and huge tires as it looks from here.

 Kinder winters for the last two years lulled municipal road departments
 and those older, more porous streets and roads have simply given up to
 entropy this winter, returning to their particulate origins. Short of road
 salt so plows ran yesterday, spalling the already delicate roads. It's
 going to be more dangerous to ride in a group in the spring on these roads
 than it is now. The persistent snow pack may be more reminiscent of Siberia
 than North America, but it sure helps level and bind the degraded roads and
 streets.

 Days are getting longer, I could see the blue of the blue of the sky
 before dawn the other day as I got to work, while it was 3°. Ah the coming
 days of warmth when all unfreezes and lets go.

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh


 On Sunday, March 2, 2014 9:18:48 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:

 It went by here last night leaving a fresh 4 on top of the 10 feet we
 have already received...sigh.  I'm tired of studded tires.  Ironically,
 with daylight savings time a week away, I sent out a press release for the
 local club to announce the beginning of our organized ride season.  It's
 got to have people rolling on the floor.

 Marc

 On Saturday, March 1, 2014 2:20:32 PM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Thanks a LOT Hugh... We're actually expecting the remnants of that
 storm here in Central NJ (in the form of snow) beginning Sunday, and
 lasting most of Monday... Estimates range from 6-12 inches, possibly
 more...  We'll be jealous of the nice weather that no doubt follows your
 deluge...

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 Yep the first big storm of 2014 in Southern California...for those
 of you out East jealous of our fair weather, well read about it 
 herehttp://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/and  know that we sometimes 
 have to change plans.

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[RBW] Re: Current Status

2014-03-02 Thread Marc Irwin
It went by here last night leaving a fresh 4 on top of the 10 feet we have 
already received...sigh.  I'm tired of studded tires.  Ironically, with 
daylight savings time a week away, I sent out a press release for the local 
club to announce the beginning of our organized ride season.  It's got to 
have people rolling on the floor.

Marc

On Saturday, March 1, 2014 2:20:32 PM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Thanks a LOT Hugh... We're actually expecting the remnants of that storm 
 here in Central NJ (in the form of snow) beginning Sunday, and lasting most 
 of Monday... Estimates range from 6-12 inches, possibly more...  We'll be 
 jealous of the nice weather that no doubt follows your deluge...   

 On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:57:30 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:

 Yep the first big storm of 2014 in Southern California...for those of you 
 out East jealous of our fair weather, well read about it 
 herehttp://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/and  know that we sometimes have 
 to change plans.

 ~Hugh



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Re: [RBW] Re: Current Status

2014-03-02 Thread Hugh Smitham
Marc,

That storm packed a punch! At least you gave them a chuckle, laughter is
good medicine. Look forward to some Spring ride reports.

~Hugh

Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving. -- Albert Einstein

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On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 6:18 AM, Marc Irwin irwin7...@gmail.com wrote:

 It went by here last night leaving a fresh 4 on top of the 10 feet we
 have already received...sigh.  I'm tired of studded tires.  Ironically,
 with daylight savings time a week away, I sent out a press release for the
 local club to announce the beginning of our organized ride season.  It's
 got to have people rolling on the floor.

 Marc


 On Saturday, March 1, 2014 2:20:32 PM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Thanks a LOT Hugh... We're actually expecting the remnants of that storm
 here in Central NJ (in the form of snow) beginning Sunday, and lasting most
 of Monday... Estimates range from 6-12 inches, possibly more...  We'll be
 jealous of the nice weather that no doubt follows your deluge...

 On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:57:30 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:

 Yep the first big storm of 2014 in Southern California...for those of
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 herehttp://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/and  know that we sometimes 
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[RBW] Re: Current Status

2014-03-01 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Thanks a LOT Hugh... We're actually expecting the remnants of that storm 
here in Central NJ (in the form of snow) beginning Sunday, and lasting most 
of Monday... Estimates range from 6-12 inches, possibly more...  We'll be 
jealous of the nice weather that no doubt follows your deluge...   

On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:57:30 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:

 Yep the first big storm of 2014 in Southern California...for those of you 
 out East jealous of our fair weather, well read about it 
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 ~Hugh


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Re: [RBW] Re: Current Status

2014-03-01 Thread Hugh Smitham
LOL's. Yeah but your winter pictures look more dramatic. Stay warm.

~Hugh

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moving. -- Albert Einstein

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On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com
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 Thanks a LOT Hugh... We're actually expecting the remnants of that storm
 here in Central NJ (in the form of snow) beginning Sunday, and lasting most
 of Monday... Estimates range from 6-12 inches, possibly more...  We'll be
 jealous of the nice weather that no doubt follows your deluge...


 On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:57:30 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:

 Yep the first big storm of 2014 in Southern California...for those of you
 out East jealous of our fair weather, well read about it 
 herehttp://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/and  know that we sometimes have 
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