[RBW] Re: Cycling shoes for wide feet?

[Ted Durant]

On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:08:28 PM UTC-5 Kurt Henry wrote:

 The first is a pair of 45 Lakes alongside a pair of size 11 Lems  Primal 
Zen (?).  Lems widest last (which these are) has a HUGE toe box, so keep 
that in mind.

I love my Primal Zen shoes. They're my main biking shoes these days. 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI 53217

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cycling shoes for wide feet?

[Pat Smith]

I've really been enjoying my Specialized 2FO shoes for around town. Fit is 
forgiving and the insole supports well.

Smitty in DC

On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 7:24:09 PM UTC-7 J wrote:

> Forgot the profile. Specialized Recon ADV
>
> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:21:35 PM UTC-4 J wrote:
>
>> Alright Specialized, this is more like it. This is a more forgiving 
>> shaped toebox and a plain enough to be acceptably ignored
>>
>> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 9:22:03 PM UTC-4 samuelj...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Try on a pair of specialized recon 1.0. I have similarly wide feet and 
>>> my recons feel great. 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.backcountry.com/b/specialized-recon-1.0-mountain-bike-shoe?CMP_SKU=SCQ0085=0406=SCQ0085-BLA-S440:trackingCode=5276C7CA-1EC1-EA11-8114-005056944E17:referralID=NA:device=m:adType=plaonline_source=google_medium=pla_campaign=213415717__p:G%7cs:BC%7cct:Shopping%7cct2:xx%7cg:xx%7cc1:Bike%7cc2:Apparel+Footwear%7cb:xx%7cmt:xx__145647854861__mt:xx+%7c+c1:Bike+%7c+c2:Apparel+Footwear+%7c+s:xx+%7c+b:specialized_term=pla-2077693539340__SCQ0085-BLA-S440_content=657561884570__pla_id=go_cmp-213415717_adg-145647854861_ad-657561884570_pla-2077693539340_dev-m_ext-_prd-SCQ0085-BLA-S440_mca-7811_sig-Cj0KCQjw84anBhCtARIsAISI-xdtwrk3Oh8ZqQUXGWbnBI8Wdd0wZGEVeAvJARYFNyhw_qZfzQKSsA0aAp5qEALw_wcB=Cj0KCQjw84anBhCtARIsAISI-xdtwrk3Oh8ZqQUXGWbnBI8Wdd0wZGEVeAvJARYFNyhw_qZfzQKSsA0aAp5qEALw_wcB=aw.ds
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2023, 10:00 PM 'Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Eric, I've recently been on a similar search. My feet are wide, though 
 not overly so.  The bigger issue for me is that after a few years of 
 wearing exclusively foot-shaped shoes, such as Birkenstocks, Lems, and 
 Altras, and wearing Correct Toes to help with Morton's Neuroma, my feet 
 won't tolerate shoes that bunch up my toes.  My big toes are the worst 
 offenders and cycling shoes commonly go for a pointy look.  As a result, 
 even 'wide' cycling shoes that can accommodate high volume feet aren't 
 generally comfortable for me.  So, please take my thoughts here with a 
 grain of salt.

 Bont has a wide fitting that has a decent amount of room but the shape 
 at the front didn't work for me.  Many models (all?) are heat moldable, 
 making minor tweaks for comfort a possibility.  I just posted a pair of 
 those on i-BOB after deciding that a minor adjustment wasn't going to cut 
 it for me.  

 I also recently tried a series of Lakes on different lasts.  Lake's 
 Sport and Competition lasts in wide fittings offer a good bit of room but 
 still come to a bit of a point.  You might find they work for you, though. 
  
 The Race lasts are available in an extra wide that has a good bit of 
 volume 
 through the body of the shoe but similarly did not work for me.  Lake has 
 also introduced a Comfort Plus last (Lake Cycling Shoes – The Comfort 
 Plus Last 
 ).  
 They might win an award for 'least attractive cycling shoe' and the 
 mountain version I ordered won't win any weight weenie competitions, but 
 the fit is really good.  The picture of the sole is not far off from some 
 of the 'foot shape' shoes.  If you're considering the Stomp Lox, they 
 might 
 be an option.

 Specialized has a new last for their high-end shoes that they have 
 modified based on their in-house fittings.  It showed up recently in the 
 S-Works Recon model (S-Works Recon | Specialized.com 
 ).  I ordered a pair last 
 week that I'm pretty certain are going back.  I can confirm that they have 
 more volume than I expected.  I pulled the insole out and used a 
 half-length insert with metatarsal pad to free up toe room and it's 
 a...pretty good... fit.  But I don't want to pay that price for a shoe if 
 the fit is not just right.

 Shimano has a tour last (LAST TECHNOLOGY | SHIMANO GEAR 
 )
  
 that is supposed to be roomier as well.  I have a pair of SH-EX700s that 
 should land tomorrow.  I'll follow up if those turn out to be a winner.

 Finally, you already found the Stomp Lox.  I would have ordered a pair 
 of those earlier in this misadventure had Ron not been sold out.

 Good luck!
 Kurt Henry
 Lancaster, PA
 On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:30:12 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I noticed some discussion from other widefoot cyclists over in another 
> thread about a pair of Dromarti shoes that are for sale. At the risk of 
> further drifting a simple For Sale post I thought I'd start a new thread. 
>
> I wear an 11.5 EEE and just assumed I could never squeeze my 

Re: [RBW] Re: Cycling shoes for wide feet?

[Samuel Hopewell]

Try on a pair of specialized recon 1.0. I have similarly wide feet and my
recons feel great.

https://www.backcountry.com/b/specialized-recon-1.0-mountain-bike-shoe?CMP_SKU=SCQ0085=0406=SCQ0085-BLA-S440:trackingCode=5276C7CA-1EC1-EA11-8114-005056944E17:referralID=NA:device=m:adType=plaonline_source=google_medium=pla_campaign=213415717__p:G%7cs:BC%7cct:Shopping%7cct2:xx%7cg:xx%7cc1:Bike%7cc2:Apparel+Footwear%7cb:xx%7cmt:xx__145647854861__mt:xx+%7c+c1:Bike+%7c+c2:Apparel+Footwear+%7c+s:xx+%7c+b:specialized_term=pla-2077693539340__SCQ0085-BLA-S440_content=657561884570__pla_id=go_cmp-213415717_adg-145647854861_ad-657561884570_pla-2077693539340_dev-m_ext-_prd-SCQ0085-BLA-S440_mca-7811_sig-Cj0KCQjw84anBhCtARIsAISI-xdtwrk3Oh8ZqQUXGWbnBI8Wdd0wZGEVeAvJARYFNyhw_qZfzQKSsA0aAp5qEALw_wcB=Cj0KCQjw84anBhCtARIsAISI-xdtwrk3Oh8ZqQUXGWbnBI8Wdd0wZGEVeAvJARYFNyhw_qZfzQKSsA0aAp5qEALw_wcB=aw.ds

On Sun, Aug 20, 2023, 10:00 PM 'Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Eric, I've recently been on a similar search. My feet are wide, though not
> overly so.  The bigger issue for me is that after a few years of wearing
> exclusively foot-shaped shoes, such as Birkenstocks, Lems, and Altras, and
> wearing Correct Toes to help with Morton's Neuroma, my feet won't tolerate
> shoes that bunch up my toes.  My big toes are the worst offenders and
> cycling shoes commonly go for a pointy look.  As a result, even 'wide'
> cycling shoes that can accommodate high volume feet aren't generally
> comfortable for me.  So, please take my thoughts here with a grain of salt.
>
> Bont has a wide fitting that has a decent amount of room but the shape at
> the front didn't work for me.  Many models (all?) are heat moldable, making
> minor tweaks for comfort a possibility.  I just posted a pair of those on
> i-BOB after deciding that a minor adjustment wasn't going to cut it for
> me.
>
> I also recently tried a series of Lakes on different lasts.  Lake's Sport
> and Competition lasts in wide fittings offer a good bit of room but still
> come to a bit of a point.  You might find they work for you, though.  The
> Race lasts are available in an extra wide that has a good bit of volume
> through the body of the shoe but similarly did not work for me.  Lake has
> also introduced a Comfort Plus last (Lake Cycling Shoes – The Comfort
> Plus Last ).
> They might win an award for 'least attractive cycling shoe' and the
> mountain version I ordered won't win any weight weenie competitions, but
> the fit is really good.  The picture of the sole is not far off from some
> of the 'foot shape' shoes.  If you're considering the Stomp Lox, they might
> be an option.
>
> Specialized has a new last for their high-end shoes that they have
> modified based on their in-house fittings.  It showed up recently in the
> S-Works Recon model (S-Works Recon | Specialized.com
> ).  I ordered a pair last week
> that I'm pretty certain are going back.  I can confirm that they have more
> volume than I expected.  I pulled the insole out and used a half-length
> insert with metatarsal pad to free up toe room and it's a...pretty good...
> fit.  But I don't want to pay that price for a shoe if the fit is not just
> right.
>
> Shimano has a tour last (LAST TECHNOLOGY | SHIMANO GEAR
> )
> that is supposed to be roomier as well.  I have a pair of SH-EX700s that
> should land tomorrow.  I'll follow up if those turn out to be a winner.
>
> Finally, you already found the Stomp Lox.  I would have ordered a pair of
> those earlier in this misadventure had Ron not been sold out.
>
> Good luck!
> Kurt Henry
> Lancaster, PA
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:30:12 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I noticed some discussion from other widefoot cyclists over in another
>> thread about a pair of Dromarti shoes that are for sale. At the risk of
>> further drifting a simple For Sale post I thought I'd start a new thread.
>>
>> I wear an 11.5 EEE and just assumed I could never squeeze my foot into
>> one of those fine Dromarti road slippers. Their sizing page
>>  says they aren't designed for wide
>> or "high volume" feet! Are there any proper cycling shoes out there that
>> accommodate serious width?
>>
>> The Stomp Lox shoes seem to be vaguely styled after Birkenstocks though I
>> don't have any first-hand experience. A Birkenstock size 45 fits me well.
>> According to the sizing chart it seems that both and 11 and 12 size Stomp
>> Lox will accommodate my foot which measures 26.5cm in circumference.
>>
>> The Stomp Lox made for Ron's Bikes are all made in Japan. Stomp Lox
>> available anywhere else are made in China.
>>
>> Stop Lox official 
>> Stop Lox at Ron's Bikes
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Cycling shoes for wide feet?

[Ted Fay]

I ordered a batch from Competitive Cyclist. Shipped all but 1 back. Easier than ordering/returning and repeating, but it was an interesting credit card bill. TedOn Aug 21, 2023, at 11:18 AM, 'Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:Ted, maybe I should reconsider Sidis?  I had a pair 15+ years ago that I never gelled with.  My feet have changed since, so I should be open minded.  The great part is that availability is about to become less of an issue.  QBP has picked up distribution: 

QBP takes over US distribution of Sidi shoes | Bicycle Retailer and Industry NewsKurt HenryLancaster, PAOn Monday, August 21, 2023 at 11:08:33 AM UTC-4 ted...@gmail.com wrote:I started with the Lakes, which are very good. But after some trial and error (and a spat of ordering 7 different shoes shipped to home and returning 6), I’ve settled on the Sidi’s. Not the classic leather look by any stretch, but wider than the widest Lake’s by my feet and feel. Pluses for Lake…less expensive, easier to buy (US based mfg website and warehouse), great customer service, great shoes. Finding the right size and model from Sidi can be interesting at times. Their US distribution seems….challenged.On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 10:00:12 PM UTC-5 Kurt Henry wrote:Eric, I've recently been on a similar search. My feet are wide, though not overly so.  The bigger issue for me is that after a few years of wearing exclusively foot-shaped shoes, such as Birkenstocks, Lems, and Altras, and wearing Correct Toes to help with Morton's Neuroma, my feet won't tolerate shoes that bunch up my toes.  My big toes are the worst offenders and cycling shoes commonly go for a pointy look.  As a result, even 'wide' cycling shoes that can accommodate high volume feet aren't generally comfortable for me.  So, please take my thoughts here with a grain of salt.Bont has a wide fitting that has a decent amount of room but the shape at the front didn't work for me.  Many models (all?) are heat moldable, making minor tweaks for comfort a possibility.  I just posted a pair of those on i-BOB after deciding that a minor adjustment wasn't going to cut it for me.  I also recently tried a series of Lakes on different lasts.  Lake's Sport and Competition lasts in wide fittings offer a good bit of room but still come to a bit of a point.  You might find they work for you, though.  The Race lasts are available in an extra wide that has a good bit of volume through the body of the shoe but similarly did not work for me.  Lake has also introduced a Comfort Plus last (Lake Cycling Shoes – The Comfort Plus Last).  They might win an award for 'least attractive cycling shoe' and the mountain version I ordered won't win any weight weenie competitions, but the fit is really good.  The picture of the sole is not far off from some of the 'foot shape' shoes.  If you're considering the Stomp Lox, they might be an option.Specialized has a new last for their high-end shoes that they have modified based on their in-house fittings.  It showed up recently in the S-Works Recon model (S-Works Recon | Specialized.com).  I ordered a pair last week that I'm pretty certain are going back.  I can confirm that they have more volume than I expected.  I pulled the insole out and used a half-length insert with metatarsal pad to free up toe room and it's a...pretty good... fit.  But I don't want to pay that price for a shoe if the fit is not just right.Shimano has a tour last (LAST TECHNOLOGY | SHIMANO GEAR) that is supposed to be roomier as well.  I have a pair of SH-EX700s that should land tomorrow.  I'll follow up if those turn out to be a winner.Finally, you already found the Stomp Lox.  I would have ordered a pair of those earlier in this misadventure had Ron not been sold out.Good luck!Kurt HenryLancaster, PAOn Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:30:12 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:I noticed some discussion from other widefoot cyclists over in another thread about a pair of Dromarti shoes that are for sale. At the risk of further drifting a simple For Sale post I thought I'd start a new thread. I wear an 11.5 EEE and just assumed I could never squeeze my foot into one of those fine Dromarti road slippers. Their sizing page says they aren't designed for wide or "high volume" feet! Are there any proper cycling shoes out there that accommodate serious width? The Stomp Lox shoes seem to be vaguely styled after Birkenstocks though I don't have any first-hand experience. A Birkenstock size 45 fits me well. According to the sizing chart it seems that both and 11 and 12 size Stomp Lox will accommodate my foot which measures 26.5cm in circumference. The Stomp Lox made for Ron's Bikes are all made in Japan. Stomp Lox available anywhere else are made in China. Stop Lox officialStop Lox at Ron's BikesWilliam Lennon in Derbyshire offers classic leather cycling shoes, but they're designed with flat soles for traditional toe clips. I don't see any wide offerings. Steel Vintage Bikes in Berlin offers a few nice leather 

[RBW] Re: Cycling shoes for wide feet?

[J]

I'll 2nd the Five Ten Freeriders as being pretty wide for a standard width 
shoe but they are not " proper cycling shoes I mean something that takes a 
cleat " as Eric specified. There are plenty of wide fitting flat pedal 
shoes that one could wear on a bike. We're looking for something different. 

I can't imagine how Danner boots work you if you have wide feet, if you are 
talking about their Made in USA line. The Danner EE width is the same as a 
D width from most any other boot maker. I've bought 5 different Made in USA 
Danner boots in the last 10 years and all were incredibly uncomfortable, 
mostly due to the dumb reinforced narrow toe box that the upper must break 
in around and the volume reducing goretex lining. I tried the goretex free, 
leather lined Danner light Cascade but the same ol toe box ruined the 
concept. Rant end. Apologies. I love they way they look though. 

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:47:10 PM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have wide feet too. I have the Adidas Five Ten Freerider Pros for 
> bike-riding and they are the best cycling sneaker I have ever had.
>
> Wide shoes are still surprisingly hard to find. I also really love my 
> Danner boots and Rancourt shoes, both in wide sizes and made in the USA. 
>
> Michael
>  
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 12:23:10 PM UTC-4 Drew Saunders wrote:
>
>> I have 10.5  feet. Ducks follow me around as if I'm their leader. 
>> Birkenstocks fit me well, but otherwise, I have to seek out wide-specific 
>> shoes. I can also stand on one foot until I'm tired or bored, so super wide 
>> feet do have their advantages!
>>
>> I'm in the process of getting the last few hundred miles out of my 
>> Shimano SPD-compatible "walkable" shoes. Can't remember the model, but they 
>> would be sold as "mountain bike" shoes, in that there are lugs and stuff to 
>> get grip. I have Ritchey SPD pedals on my Riv and Ibis, so I guess my 
>> 28mm-tired Riv is a "mountain" bike! ;)
>>
>> Anyway, when these give up the ghost and/or REI has a sale, I'll try 
>> whatever cheapest Shimano shoes they have that come in wide. The Stomp Lox 
>> look intriguing, but they don't make the longer sizes in wide too, which is 
>> too bad.
>>
>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:02:33 AM UTC-7 J wrote:
>>
>>> I feel like I've been banging my head against a wall with this question 
>>> for a couple years. I have one regular width foot that can tolerate just 
>>> about any shoe I put on it and one twice broken foot that can't tolerate 
>>> anything even slightly constricting in the toe box or pointy. So I normally 
>>> go with 12EE width equivalent shoes for the forgiving width and volume for 
>>> everyday use and wear approach shoes and flat pedals for on bike use. I can 
>>> no longer wear Vans of Converse that made up most of my non work footwear. 
>>> Any time I'm in a bike shop that has cycling shoes that I like the look of 
>>> I try them on and haven't yet found something that fits. As ugly I think 
>>> they are, Stomplox may be the only shoes voluminous enough.
>>>
>>> I once tried a friend's pair of very broken in (discontinued) Giro 
>>> Republic LX and they were a pretty nice fit but I needed a half size 
>>> bigger. 
>>>
>>> I've been stuck on trying a pair of Quoc but they wildly varying 
>>> opinions on whether they fit wide or narrow always keeps me away from them. 
>>> Now that Rei is carrying them I may just get a chance to figure out sizing 
>>> in person the next time I need to make the 2 hour drive to the closest Rei. 
>>>
>>> I have a friend with EE high volume feet and loves his Giro Empire VR90 
>>> HV (HV discontinued) the HV stands for high volume. I think they look 
>>> fairly classic as well once you take a black sharpie to the lettering. The 
>>> non HV pretty classy left alone but I seriously doubt they'd fit. 
>>>
>>> The concept of good fit is hamstrung by the fact that brand new leather 
>>> shoes aren't going to fit the same after breaking in. For the last 10+ 
>>> years I've immediately soaked a new pair of leather work boots until the 
>>> leather was saturated then wore them around wet for a few hours to get the 
>>> leather started breaking in, then letting them dry before ever wearing them 
>>> to work. Same goes for Brooks saddles, contrary to popular opinion. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 10:14:13 AM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>
 On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:30:12 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are there any proper cycling shoes out there that accommodate serious 
 width? 


 Thanks for jumping to a new thread ... I probably should have done 
 that, myself. 

 Should we start with a definition of "proper cycling shoes" ?  :-)

 I have found the proliferation of pedals with large platforms to help 
 me rethink what I am looking for in a cycling shoe. Of course, that also 
 corresponds with retirement and never doing rides on which I feel the need 

[RBW] Re: Cycling shoes for wide feet?

[Michael Morrissey]

Hi,

I have wide feet too. I have the Adidas Five Ten Freerider Pros for 
bike-riding and they are the best cycling sneaker I have ever had.

Wide shoes are still surprisingly hard to find. I also really love my 
Danner boots and Rancourt shoes, both in wide sizes and made in the USA. 

Michael
 

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 12:23:10 PM UTC-4 Drew Saunders wrote:

> I have 10.5  feet. Ducks follow me around as if I'm their leader. 
> Birkenstocks fit me well, but otherwise, I have to seek out wide-specific 
> shoes. I can also stand on one foot until I'm tired or bored, so super wide 
> feet do have their advantages!
>
> I'm in the process of getting the last few hundred miles out of my Shimano 
> SPD-compatible "walkable" shoes. Can't remember the model, but they would 
> be sold as "mountain bike" shoes, in that there are lugs and stuff to get 
> grip. I have Ritchey SPD pedals on my Riv and Ibis, so I guess my 
> 28mm-tired Riv is a "mountain" bike! ;)
>
> Anyway, when these give up the ghost and/or REI has a sale, I'll try 
> whatever cheapest Shimano shoes they have that come in wide. The Stomp Lox 
> look intriguing, but they don't make the longer sizes in wide too, which is 
> too bad.
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:02:33 AM UTC-7 J wrote:
>
>> I feel like I've been banging my head against a wall with this question 
>> for a couple years. I have one regular width foot that can tolerate just 
>> about any shoe I put on it and one twice broken foot that can't tolerate 
>> anything even slightly constricting in the toe box or pointy. So I normally 
>> go with 12EE width equivalent shoes for the forgiving width and volume for 
>> everyday use and wear approach shoes and flat pedals for on bike use. I can 
>> no longer wear Vans of Converse that made up most of my non work footwear. 
>> Any time I'm in a bike shop that has cycling shoes that I like the look of 
>> I try them on and haven't yet found something that fits. As ugly I think 
>> they are, Stomplox may be the only shoes voluminous enough.
>>
>> I once tried a friend's pair of very broken in (discontinued) Giro 
>> Republic LX and they were a pretty nice fit but I needed a half size 
>> bigger. 
>>
>> I've been stuck on trying a pair of Quoc but they wildly varying opinions 
>> on whether they fit wide or narrow always keeps me away from them. Now that 
>> Rei is carrying them I may just get a chance to figure out sizing in person 
>> the next time I need to make the 2 hour drive to the closest Rei. 
>>
>> I have a friend with EE high volume feet and loves his Giro Empire VR90 
>> HV (HV discontinued) the HV stands for high volume. I think they look 
>> fairly classic as well once you take a black sharpie to the lettering. The 
>> non HV pretty classy left alone but I seriously doubt they'd fit. 
>>
>> The concept of good fit is hamstrung by the fact that brand new leather 
>> shoes aren't going to fit the same after breaking in. For the last 10+ 
>> years I've immediately soaked a new pair of leather work boots until the 
>> leather was saturated then wore them around wet for a few hours to get the 
>> leather started breaking in, then letting them dry before ever wearing them 
>> to work. Same goes for Brooks saddles, contrary to popular opinion. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 10:14:13 AM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:30:12 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Are there any proper cycling shoes out there that accommodate serious 
>>> width? 
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for jumping to a new thread ... I probably should have done that, 
>>> myself. 
>>>
>>> Should we start with a definition of "proper cycling shoes" ?  :-)
>>>
>>> I have found the proliferation of pedals with large platforms to help me 
>>> rethink what I am looking for in a cycling shoe. Of course, that also 
>>> corresponds with retirement and never doing rides on which I feel the need 
>>> to have my feet securely attached to the pedals. On the contrary, I am 
>>> finding that being able to shift my feet around is significantly improving 
>>> foot comfort on longer rides. It also has been helping me subtly alter the 
>>> pedaling dynamics which is recruiting different muscles, which also reduces 
>>> fatigue on longer rides. I did a 200km ride Saturday and being able to 
>>> change my foot position was very helpful. I think that it's not just having 
>>> a wider toe box, but also a more flexible sole that's important to foot 
>>> health on long outings. My "theory" is that stiff soles, which are great 
>>> for shorter rides with higher power output, are more damaging in the long 
>>> run because they don't require the muscles (and attachments) in your feet 
>>> and ankles to perform their usual stabilization and support functions. I'm 
>>> not a PT/OT/MD, though, so take that for what it's worth. 
>>>
>>> Still, I appreciate the advantages of stiff soles and secure pedal 
>>> connections. Unfortunately, I have yet to find 

[RBW] Re: Cycling shoes for wide feet?

[Drew Saunders]

I have 10.5  feet. Ducks follow me around as if I'm their leader. 
Birkenstocks fit me well, but otherwise, I have to seek out wide-specific 
shoes. I can also stand on one foot until I'm tired or bored, so super wide 
feet do have their advantages!

I'm in the process of getting the last few hundred miles out of my Shimano 
SPD-compatible "walkable" shoes. Can't remember the model, but they would 
be sold as "mountain bike" shoes, in that there are lugs and stuff to get 
grip. I have Ritchey SPD pedals on my Riv and Ibis, so I guess my 
28mm-tired Riv is a "mountain" bike! ;)

Anyway, when these give up the ghost and/or REI has a sale, I'll try 
whatever cheapest Shimano shoes they have that come in wide. The Stomp Lox 
look intriguing, but they don't make the longer sizes in wide too, which is 
too bad.

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:02:33 AM UTC-7 J wrote:

> I feel like I've been banging my head against a wall with this question 
> for a couple years. I have one regular width foot that can tolerate just 
> about any shoe I put on it and one twice broken foot that can't tolerate 
> anything even slightly constricting in the toe box or pointy. So I normally 
> go with 12EE width equivalent shoes for the forgiving width and volume for 
> everyday use and wear approach shoes and flat pedals for on bike use. I can 
> no longer wear Vans of Converse that made up most of my non work footwear. 
> Any time I'm in a bike shop that has cycling shoes that I like the look of 
> I try them on and haven't yet found something that fits. As ugly I think 
> they are, Stomplox may be the only shoes voluminous enough.
>
> I once tried a friend's pair of very broken in (discontinued) Giro 
> Republic LX and they were a pretty nice fit but I needed a half size 
> bigger. 
>
> I've been stuck on trying a pair of Quoc but they wildly varying opinions 
> on whether they fit wide or narrow always keeps me away from them. Now that 
> Rei is carrying them I may just get a chance to figure out sizing in person 
> the next time I need to make the 2 hour drive to the closest Rei. 
>
> I have a friend with EE high volume feet and loves his Giro Empire VR90 HV 
> (HV discontinued) the HV stands for high volume. I think they look fairly 
> classic as well once you take a black sharpie to the lettering. The non HV 
> pretty classy left alone but I seriously doubt they'd fit. 
>
> The concept of good fit is hamstrung by the fact that brand new leather 
> shoes aren't going to fit the same after breaking in. For the last 10+ 
> years I've immediately soaked a new pair of leather work boots until the 
> leather was saturated then wore them around wet for a few hours to get the 
> leather started breaking in, then letting them dry before ever wearing them 
> to work. Same goes for Brooks saddles, contrary to popular opinion. 
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 10:14:13 AM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:30:12 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Are there any proper cycling shoes out there that accommodate serious 
>> width? 
>>
>>
>> Thanks for jumping to a new thread ... I probably should have done that, 
>> myself. 
>>
>> Should we start with a definition of "proper cycling shoes" ?  :-)
>>
>> I have found the proliferation of pedals with large platforms to help me 
>> rethink what I am looking for in a cycling shoe. Of course, that also 
>> corresponds with retirement and never doing rides on which I feel the need 
>> to have my feet securely attached to the pedals. On the contrary, I am 
>> finding that being able to shift my feet around is significantly improving 
>> foot comfort on longer rides. It also has been helping me subtly alter the 
>> pedaling dynamics which is recruiting different muscles, which also reduces 
>> fatigue on longer rides. I did a 200km ride Saturday and being able to 
>> change my foot position was very helpful. I think that it's not just having 
>> a wider toe box, but also a more flexible sole that's important to foot 
>> health on long outings. My "theory" is that stiff soles, which are great 
>> for shorter rides with higher power output, are more damaging in the long 
>> run because they don't require the muscles (and attachments) in your feet 
>> and ankles to perform their usual stabilization and support functions. I'm 
>> not a PT/OT/MD, though, so take that for what it's worth. 
>>
>> Still, I appreciate the advantages of stiff soles and secure pedal 
>> connections. Unfortunately, I have yet to find cycling shoes that allow my 
>> forefoot to spread as much as it wants to, and the result has been painful 
>> bunionettes. My Lake MX-1 shoes, on their MX competition last, sadly 
>> discontinued, have been the best I've found. It also helps that they are 
>> tradition lace-up shoes. Well, helped ... apparently there's no market for 
>> that feature anymore.
>>
>> Top tip for checking shoe fit. Pull out the insoles and stand on them. 
>> You'll immediately see 

[RBW] Re: Cycling shoes for wide feet?

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ted, maybe I should reconsider Sidis?  I had a pair 15+ years ago that I 
never gelled with.  My feet have changed since, so I should be open 
minded.  The great part is that availability is about to become less of an 
issue.  QBP has picked up distribution:  QBP takes over US distribution of 
Sidi shoes | Bicycle Retailer and Industry News 

Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 11:08:33 AM UTC-4 ted...@gmail.com wrote:

> I started with the Lakes, which are very good. But after some trial and 
> error (and a spat of ordering 7 different shoes shipped to home and 
> returning 6), I’ve settled on the Sidi’s. Not the classic leather look by 
> any stretch, but wider than the widest Lake’s by my feet and feel. 
>
> Pluses for Lake…less expensive, easier to buy (US based mfg website and 
> warehouse), great customer service, great shoes. 
>
> Finding the right size and model from Sidi can be interesting at times. 
> Their US distribution seems….challenged.
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 10:00:12 PM UTC-5 Kurt Henry wrote:
>
>> Eric, I've recently been on a similar search. My feet are wide, though 
>> not overly so.  The bigger issue for me is that after a few years of 
>> wearing exclusively foot-shaped shoes, such as Birkenstocks, Lems, and 
>> Altras, and wearing Correct Toes to help with Morton's Neuroma, my feet 
>> won't tolerate shoes that bunch up my toes.  My big toes are the worst 
>> offenders and cycling shoes commonly go for a pointy look.  As a result, 
>> even 'wide' cycling shoes that can accommodate high volume feet aren't 
>> generally comfortable for me.  So, please take my thoughts here with a 
>> grain of salt.
>>
>> Bont has a wide fitting that has a decent amount of room but the shape at 
>> the front didn't work for me.  Many models (all?) are heat moldable, making 
>> minor tweaks for comfort a possibility.  I just posted a pair of those on 
>> i-BOB after deciding that a minor adjustment wasn't going to cut it for 
>> me.  
>>
>> I also recently tried a series of Lakes on different lasts.  Lake's Sport 
>> and Competition lasts in wide fittings offer a good bit of room but still 
>> come to a bit of a point.  You might find they work for you, though.  The 
>> Race lasts are available in an extra wide that has a good bit of volume 
>> through the body of the shoe but similarly did not work for me.  Lake has 
>> also introduced a Comfort Plus last (Lake Cycling Shoes – The Comfort 
>> Plus Last 
>> ).  They 
>> might win an award for 'least attractive cycling shoe' and the mountain 
>> version I ordered won't win any weight weenie competitions, but the fit is 
>> really good.  The picture of the sole is not far off from some of the 'foot 
>> shape' shoes.  If you're considering the Stomp Lox, they might be an option.
>>
>> Specialized has a new last for their high-end shoes that they have 
>> modified based on their in-house fittings.  It showed up recently in the 
>> S-Works Recon model (S-Works Recon | Specialized.com 
>> ).  I ordered a pair last week 
>> that I'm pretty certain are going back.  I can confirm that they have more 
>> volume than I expected.  I pulled the insole out and used a half-length 
>> insert with metatarsal pad to free up toe room and it's a...pretty good... 
>> fit.  But I don't want to pay that price for a shoe if the fit is not just 
>> right.
>>
>> Shimano has a tour last (LAST TECHNOLOGY | SHIMANO GEAR 
>> )
>>  
>> that is supposed to be roomier as well.  I have a pair of SH-EX700s that 
>> should land tomorrow.  I'll follow up if those turn out to be a winner.
>>
>> Finally, you already found the Stomp Lox.  I would have ordered a pair of 
>> those earlier in this misadventure had Ron not been sold out.
>>
>> Good luck!
>> Kurt Henry
>> Lancaster, PA
>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:30:12 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed some discussion from other widefoot cyclists over in another 
>>> thread about a pair of Dromarti shoes that are for sale. At the risk of 
>>> further drifting a simple For Sale post I thought I'd start a new thread. 
>>>
>>> I wear an 11.5 EEE and just assumed I could never squeeze my foot into 
>>> one of those fine Dromarti road slippers. Their sizing page 
>>>  says they aren't designed for wide 
>>> or "high volume" feet! Are there any proper cycling shoes out there that 
>>> accommodate serious width? 
>>>
>>> The Stomp Lox shoes seem to be vaguely styled after Birkenstocks though 
>>> I don't have any first-hand 

[RBW] Re: Cycling shoes for wide feet?

[Ted Fay]

I started with the Lakes, which are very good. But after some trial and 
error (and a spat of ordering 7 different shoes shipped to home and 
returning 6), I’ve settled on the Sidi’s. Not the classic leather look by 
any stretch, but wider than the widest Lake’s by my feet and feel. 

Pluses for Lake…less expensive, easier to buy (US based mfg website and 
warehouse), great customer service, great shoes. 

Finding the right size and model from Sidi can be interesting at times. 
Their US distribution seems….challenged.

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 10:00:12 PM UTC-5 Kurt Henry wrote:

> Eric, I've recently been on a similar search. My feet are wide, though not 
> overly so.  The bigger issue for me is that after a few years of wearing 
> exclusively foot-shaped shoes, such as Birkenstocks, Lems, and Altras, and 
> wearing Correct Toes to help with Morton's Neuroma, my feet won't tolerate 
> shoes that bunch up my toes.  My big toes are the worst offenders and 
> cycling shoes commonly go for a pointy look.  As a result, even 'wide' 
> cycling shoes that can accommodate high volume feet aren't generally 
> comfortable for me.  So, please take my thoughts here with a grain of salt.
>
> Bont has a wide fitting that has a decent amount of room but the shape at 
> the front didn't work for me.  Many models (all?) are heat moldable, making 
> minor tweaks for comfort a possibility.  I just posted a pair of those on 
> i-BOB after deciding that a minor adjustment wasn't going to cut it for 
> me.  
>
> I also recently tried a series of Lakes on different lasts.  Lake's Sport 
> and Competition lasts in wide fittings offer a good bit of room but still 
> come to a bit of a point.  You might find they work for you, though.  The 
> Race lasts are available in an extra wide that has a good bit of volume 
> through the body of the shoe but similarly did not work for me.  Lake has 
> also introduced a Comfort Plus last (Lake Cycling Shoes – The Comfort 
> Plus Last ).  
> They might win an award for 'least attractive cycling shoe' and the 
> mountain version I ordered won't win any weight weenie competitions, but 
> the fit is really good.  The picture of the sole is not far off from some 
> of the 'foot shape' shoes.  If you're considering the Stomp Lox, they might 
> be an option.
>
> Specialized has a new last for their high-end shoes that they have 
> modified based on their in-house fittings.  It showed up recently in the 
> S-Works Recon model (S-Works Recon | Specialized.com 
> ).  I ordered a pair last week 
> that I'm pretty certain are going back.  I can confirm that they have more 
> volume than I expected.  I pulled the insole out and used a half-length 
> insert with metatarsal pad to free up toe room and it's a...pretty good... 
> fit.  But I don't want to pay that price for a shoe if the fit is not just 
> right.
>
> Shimano has a tour last (LAST TECHNOLOGY | SHIMANO GEAR 
> )
>  
> that is supposed to be roomier as well.  I have a pair of SH-EX700s that 
> should land tomorrow.  I'll follow up if those turn out to be a winner.
>
> Finally, you already found the Stomp Lox.  I would have ordered a pair of 
> those earlier in this misadventure had Ron not been sold out.
>
> Good luck!
> Kurt Henry
> Lancaster, PA
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:30:12 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I noticed some discussion from other widefoot cyclists over in another 
>> thread about a pair of Dromarti shoes that are for sale. At the risk of 
>> further drifting a simple For Sale post I thought I'd start a new thread. 
>>
>> I wear an 11.5 EEE and just assumed I could never squeeze my foot into 
>> one of those fine Dromarti road slippers. Their sizing page 
>>  says they aren't designed for wide 
>> or "high volume" feet! Are there any proper cycling shoes out there that 
>> accommodate serious width? 
>>
>> The Stomp Lox shoes seem to be vaguely styled after Birkenstocks though I 
>> don't have any first-hand experience. A Birkenstock size 45 fits me well. 
>> According to the sizing chart it seems that both and 11 and 12 size Stomp 
>> Lox will accommodate my foot which measures 26.5cm in circumference. 
>>
>> The Stomp Lox made for Ron's Bikes are all made in Japan. Stomp Lox 
>> available anywhere else are made in China. 
>>
>> Stop Lox official 
>> Stop Lox at Ron's Bikes 
>> 
>>
>> William Lennon 
>>  in 
>> Derbyshire offers classic leather cycling shoes, but they're designed with 
>> flat soles for traditional toe clips. I don't see any wide offerings. 
>>
>> Steel Vintage Bikes 
>> 

[RBW] Re: Cycling shoes for wide feet?

[Eric Marth]

Thanks for the notes, everyone. 

Ted: By proper cycling shoes I mean something that takes a cleat and lets 
you fit your big old EEE in there comfortably. I haven't tried any clipless 
pedals but I've been curious. Part of my research has been seeking out an 
appropriate shoe. Watching your foot spill over and obscure the insole is 
really something. That's a great tip for a check of the true size of the 
shoe. 

Definitely see the advantages of flat pedals for longer rides and general 
practicality. Regarding regular shoes for bikes, I've found that a plain 
old Samba in size 11.5 works well enough for me with flat pedals. Maybe the 
Velo Samba would suit me. I also like the Bedrock cairn sandals with the 
flat footbed. Sometimes I can dig Blundstones but I usually forget to raise 
my saddle enough to accommodate them and I'm a little less comfortable 
riding. While I like Birks I don't find them particularly good for riding, 
though I've done up to 25 miles in my Londons. 

I love the look of a traditional black or brown leather cycling shoe with 
minimal adornment. But my foot isn't slender and doesn't come to a fine 
point at the end. 

Kurt: Sounds like your explorations have been wide-ranging! Thanks for the 
links, these are all new to me. Not sure when Ron's getting more Stomp Lox 
but I'd wager he has some coming... some day. 

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 10:14:13 AM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:30:12 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Are there any proper cycling shoes out there that accommodate serious 
> width? 
>
>
> Thanks for jumping to a new thread ... I probably should have done that, 
> myself. 
>
> Should we start with a definition of "proper cycling shoes" ?  :-)
>
> I have found the proliferation of pedals with large platforms to help me 
> rethink what I am looking for in a cycling shoe. Of course, that also 
> corresponds with retirement and never doing rides on which I feel the need 
> to have my feet securely attached to the pedals. On the contrary, I am 
> finding that being able to shift my feet around is significantly improving 
> foot comfort on longer rides. It also has been helping me subtly alter the 
> pedaling dynamics which is recruiting different muscles, which also reduces 
> fatigue on longer rides. I did a 200km ride Saturday and being able to 
> change my foot position was very helpful. I think that it's not just having 
> a wider toe box, but also a more flexible sole that's important to foot 
> health on long outings. My "theory" is that stiff soles, which are great 
> for shorter rides with higher power output, are more damaging in the long 
> run because they don't require the muscles (and attachments) in your feet 
> and ankles to perform their usual stabilization and support functions. I'm 
> not a PT/OT/MD, though, so take that for what it's worth. 
>
> Still, I appreciate the advantages of stiff soles and secure pedal 
> connections. Unfortunately, I have yet to find cycling shoes that allow my 
> forefoot to spread as much as it wants to, and the result has been painful 
> bunionettes. My Lake MX-1 shoes, on their MX competition last, sadly 
> discontinued, have been the best I've found. It also helps that they are 
> tradition lace-up shoes. Well, helped ... apparently there's no market for 
> that feature anymore.
>
> Top tip for checking shoe fit. Pull out the insoles and stand on them. 
> You'll immediately see the difference between the shoe shape and your foot 
> shape. It's kind of scary, though ... fair warning!
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cycling shoes for wide feet?

[Ted Durant]

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:30:12 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

Are there any proper cycling shoes out there that accommodate serious 
width? 


Thanks for jumping to a new thread ... I probably should have done that, 
myself. 

Should we start with a definition of "proper cycling shoes" ?  :-)

I have found the proliferation of pedals with large platforms to help me 
rethink what I am looking for in a cycling shoe. Of course, that also 
corresponds with retirement and never doing rides on which I feel the need 
to have my feet securely attached to the pedals. On the contrary, I am 
finding that being able to shift my feet around is significantly improving 
foot comfort on longer rides. It also has been helping me subtly alter the 
pedaling dynamics which is recruiting different muscles, which also reduces 
fatigue on longer rides. I did a 200km ride Saturday and being able to 
change my foot position was very helpful. I think that it's not just having 
a wider toe box, but also a more flexible sole that's important to foot 
health on long outings. My "theory" is that stiff soles, which are great 
for shorter rides with higher power output, are more damaging in the long 
run because they don't require the muscles (and attachments) in your feet 
and ankles to perform their usual stabilization and support functions. I'm 
not a PT/OT/MD, though, so take that for what it's worth. 

Still, I appreciate the advantages of stiff soles and secure pedal 
connections. Unfortunately, I have yet to find cycling shoes that allow my 
forefoot to spread as much as it wants to, and the result has been painful 
bunionettes. My Lake MX-1 shoes, on their MX competition last, sadly 
discontinued, have been the best I've found. It also helps that they are 
tradition lace-up shoes. Well, helped ... apparently there's no market for 
that feature anymore.

Top tip for checking shoe fit. Pull out the insoles and stand on them. 
You'll immediately see the difference between the shoe shape and your foot 
shape. It's kind of scary, though ... fair warning!

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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[RBW] Re: Cycling shoes for wide feet?

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Eric, I've recently been on a similar search. My feet are wide, though not 
overly so.  The bigger issue for me is that after a few years of wearing 
exclusively foot-shaped shoes, such as Birkenstocks, Lems, and Altras, and 
wearing Correct Toes to help with Morton's Neuroma, my feet won't tolerate 
shoes that bunch up my toes.  My big toes are the worst offenders and 
cycling shoes commonly go for a pointy look.  As a result, even 'wide' 
cycling shoes that can accommodate high volume feet aren't generally 
comfortable for me.  So, please take my thoughts here with a grain of salt.

Bont has a wide fitting that has a decent amount of room but the shape at 
the front didn't work for me.  Many models (all?) are heat moldable, making 
minor tweaks for comfort a possibility.  I just posted a pair of those on 
i-BOB after deciding that a minor adjustment wasn't going to cut it for 
me.  

I also recently tried a series of Lakes on different lasts.  Lake's Sport 
and Competition lasts in wide fittings offer a good bit of room but still 
come to a bit of a point.  You might find they work for you, though.  The 
Race lasts are available in an extra wide that has a good bit of volume 
through the body of the shoe but similarly did not work for me.  Lake has 
also introduced a Comfort Plus last (Lake Cycling Shoes – The Comfort Plus 
Last ).  
They might win an award for 'least attractive cycling shoe' and the 
mountain version I ordered won't win any weight weenie competitions, but 
the fit is really good.  The picture of the sole is not far off from some 
of the 'foot shape' shoes.  If you're considering the Stomp Lox, they might 
be an option.

Specialized has a new last for their high-end shoes that they have modified 
based on their in-house fittings.  It showed up recently in the S-Works 
Recon model (S-Works Recon | Specialized.com 
).  I ordered a pair last week 
that I'm pretty certain are going back.  I can confirm that they have more 
volume than I expected.  I pulled the insole out and used a half-length 
insert with metatarsal pad to free up toe room and it's a...pretty good... 
fit.  But I don't want to pay that price for a shoe if the fit is not just 
right.

Shimano has a tour last (LAST TECHNOLOGY | SHIMANO GEAR 
)
 
that is supposed to be roomier as well.  I have a pair of SH-EX700s that 
should land tomorrow.  I'll follow up if those turn out to be a winner.

Finally, you already found the Stomp Lox.  I would have ordered a pair of 
those earlier in this misadventure had Ron not been sold out.

Good luck!
Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:30:12 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I noticed some discussion from other widefoot cyclists over in another 
> thread about a pair of Dromarti shoes that are for sale. At the risk of 
> further drifting a simple For Sale post I thought I'd start a new thread. 
>
> I wear an 11.5 EEE and just assumed I could never squeeze my foot into one 
> of those fine Dromarti road slippers. Their sizing page 
>  says they aren't designed for wide or 
> "high volume" feet! Are there any proper cycling shoes out there that 
> accommodate serious width? 
>
> The Stomp Lox shoes seem to be vaguely styled after Birkenstocks though I 
> don't have any first-hand experience. A Birkenstock size 45 fits me well. 
> According to the sizing chart it seems that both and 11 and 12 size Stomp 
> Lox will accommodate my foot which measures 26.5cm in circumference. 
>
> The Stomp Lox made for Ron's Bikes are all made in Japan. Stomp Lox 
> available anywhere else are made in China. 
>
> Stop Lox official 
> Stop Lox at Ron's Bikes 
> 
>
> William Lennon  
> in Derbyshire offers classic leather cycling shoes, but they're designed 
> with flat soles for traditional toe clips. I don't see any wide offerings. 
>
> Steel Vintage Bikes 
>  in Berlin 
> offers a few nice leather options with flat soles. Doesn't seem they're for 
> wide feet, either. 
>
> If you have any recs or tips let's hear them! 
>

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