Re: [RBW] Re: Deore shadow M592 rear mech + friction silver bar-end shifter conundrum

2021-12-02 Thread Andrew Turner 
Figured out the culprit. I had the cable housing running from the shifter 
pod all the way up the full length of the drop handlebar. I think the 
shallow drop and sharp angles of the modern Ritchey Butano bars was a bit 
too much for the cable to run smoothly in friction mode. I redid the 
routing and it works like a charm now. Adjusting the B limit screw also 
(mostly) fixed the rubbing problem with the shadow derailleur. 

On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 6:36:03 PM UTC-6 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Noted! Maybe I'll stick to it then. It has been over a year since I've run 
> 9 speeds. 
>
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 5:28 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Ah, everything was different: closer ratio gearing, closer-spaced cogs 
>> and a longer lever to shift them. I can see how the shifting to bigger 
>> 9-speed cogs would require more effort. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:45:03 PM UTC-8 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>>> The "before" was/is an Ultegra 11 speed rear mech. 6800 I think? 11 
>>> speed cassette and downtube friction shifters (Silver). Very normal 
>>> pressure needed to move the chain. I'm gonna try to run it next with the 9 
>>> speed cassette and a roadlink.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 3:27 PM Garth  wrote:
>>>
 I've read some other comments about having shifting issues with that RD 
 in the lowest gears. 
 So what do you have on hand ? Any friction or other shifters ? A normal 
 RD ? 
 If you have only one start with the one you have. If you have both I'd 
 start with the trying a normal RD. 
 Doesn't it state on the Riv page the "nobody squawks at a Deore" ?
 Hah hah ... the w-w-w is a very large place and the squawking do take 
 place. 
 On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:55:34 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> I've got the Deore shadow rear mech that Riv sells, a 12-36 9 speed 
> cassette and Silver bar-end shifters and I noticed it takes waay more 
> effort to pull the lever up to run the lower gears than before. I'm 
> considering using their downtube shifters for a little extra leverage. Is 
> this due to the stronger spring in the rear mech or what? Is there 
> something i can do or will time and use make it easier?  
>
> And just to vent, this shadow design is a little, well, dumb. I can't 
> throw the chain across the whole range to the small cog without it 
> getting 
> stuck on the part of the mech where the limit screws are. Not that I 
> would 
> ever do that but damn. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Deore shadow M592 rear mech + friction silver bar-end shifter conundrum

2021-11-27 Thread Andrew Turner 
Noted! Maybe I'll stick to it then. It has been over a year since I've run
9 speeds.

On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 5:28 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Ah, everything was different: closer ratio gearing, closer-spaced cogs and
> a longer lever to shift them. I can see how the shifting to bigger 9-speed
> cogs would require more effort.
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:45:03 PM UTC-8 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> The "before" was/is an Ultegra 11 speed rear mech. 6800 I think? 11 speed
>> cassette and downtube friction shifters (Silver). Very normal pressure
>> needed to move the chain. I'm gonna try to run it next with the 9 speed
>> cassette and a roadlink.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 3:27 PM Garth  wrote:
>>
>>> I've read some other comments about having shifting issues with that RD
>>> in the lowest gears.
>>> So what do you have on hand ? Any friction or other shifters ? A normal
>>> RD ?
>>> If you have only one start with the one you have. If you have both I'd
>>> start with the trying a normal RD.
>>> Doesn't it state on the Riv page the "nobody squawks at a Deore" ?
>>> Hah hah ... the w-w-w is a very large place and the squawking do take
>>> place.
>>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:55:34 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>>
 I've got the Deore shadow rear mech that Riv sells, a 12-36 9 speed
 cassette and Silver bar-end shifters and I noticed it takes waay more
 effort to pull the lever up to run the lower gears than before. I'm
 considering using their downtube shifters for a little extra leverage. Is
 this due to the stronger spring in the rear mech or what? Is there
 something i can do or will time and use make it easier?

 And just to vent, this shadow design is a little, well, dumb. I can't
 throw the chain across the whole range to the small cog without it getting
 stuck on the part of the mech where the limit screws are. Not that I would
 ever do that but damn.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Deore shadow M592 rear mech + friction silver bar-end shifter conundrum

2021-11-27 Thread Joe Bernard 
Ah, everything was different: closer ratio gearing, closer-spaced cogs and 
a longer lever to shift them. I can see how the shifting to bigger 9-speed 
cogs would require more effort. 

Joe Bernard

On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:45:03 PM UTC-8 Andrew Turner wrote:

> The "before" was/is an Ultegra 11 speed rear mech. 6800 I think? 11 speed 
> cassette and downtube friction shifters (Silver). Very normal pressure 
> needed to move the chain. I'm gonna try to run it next with the 9 speed 
> cassette and a roadlink.
>
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 3:27 PM Garth  wrote:
>
>> I've read some other comments about having shifting issues with that RD 
>> in the lowest gears. 
>> So what do you have on hand ? Any friction or other shifters ? A normal 
>> RD ? 
>> If you have only one start with the one you have. If you have both I'd 
>> start with the trying a normal RD. 
>> Doesn't it state on the Riv page the "nobody squawks at a Deore" ?
>> Hah hah ... the w-w-w is a very large place and the squawking do take 
>> place. 
>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:55:34 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>>> I've got the Deore shadow rear mech that Riv sells, a 12-36 9 speed 
>>> cassette and Silver bar-end shifters and I noticed it takes waay more 
>>> effort to pull the lever up to run the lower gears than before. I'm 
>>> considering using their downtube shifters for a little extra leverage. Is 
>>> this due to the stronger spring in the rear mech or what? Is there 
>>> something i can do or will time and use make it easier?  
>>>
>>> And just to vent, this shadow design is a little, well, dumb. I can't 
>>> throw the chain across the whole range to the small cog without it getting 
>>> stuck on the part of the mech where the limit screws are. Not that I would 
>>> ever do that but damn. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Deore shadow M592 rear mech + friction silver bar-end shifter conundrum

2021-11-27 Thread Andrew Turner 
The "before" was/is an Ultegra 11 speed rear mech. 6800 I think? 11 speed
cassette and downtube friction shifters (Silver). Very normal pressure
needed to move the chain. I'm gonna try to run it next with the 9 speed
cassette and a roadlink.

On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 3:27 PM Garth  wrote:

> I've read some other comments about having shifting issues with that RD in
> the lowest gears.
> So what do you have on hand ? Any friction or other shifters ? A normal RD
> ?
> If you have only one start with the one you have. If you have both I'd
> start with the trying a normal RD.
> Doesn't it state on the Riv page the "nobody squawks at a Deore" ?
> Hah hah ... the w-w-w is a very large place and the squawking do take
> place.
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:55:34 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> I've got the Deore shadow rear mech that Riv sells, a 12-36 9 speed
>> cassette and Silver bar-end shifters and I noticed it takes waay more
>> effort to pull the lever up to run the lower gears than before. I'm
>> considering using their downtube shifters for a little extra leverage. Is
>> this due to the stronger spring in the rear mech or what? Is there
>> something i can do or will time and use make it easier?
>>
>> And just to vent, this shadow design is a little, well, dumb. I can't
>> throw the chain across the whole range to the small cog without it getting
>> stuck on the part of the mech where the limit screws are. Not that I would
>> ever do that but damn.
>
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[RBW] Re: Deore shadow M592 rear mech + friction silver bar-end shifter conundrum

2021-11-27 Thread Garth 
I've read some other comments about having shifting issues with that RD in 
the lowest gears. 
So what do you have on hand ? Any friction or other shifters ? A normal RD 
? 
If you have only one start with the one you have. If you have both I'd 
start with the trying a normal RD. 
Doesn't it state on the Riv page the "nobody squawks at a Deore" ?
Hah hah ... the w-w-w is a very large place and the squawking do take 
place. 
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:55:34 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> I've got the Deore shadow rear mech that Riv sells, a 12-36 9 speed 
> cassette and Silver bar-end shifters and I noticed it takes waay more 
> effort to pull the lever up to run the lower gears than before. I'm 
> considering using their downtube shifters for a little extra leverage. Is 
> this due to the stronger spring in the rear mech or what? Is there 
> something i can do or will time and use make it easier?  
>
> And just to vent, this shadow design is a little, well, dumb. I can't 
> throw the chain across the whole range to the small cog without it getting 
> stuck on the part of the mech where the limit screws are. Not that I would 
> ever do that but damn. 

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[RBW] Re: Deore shadow M592 rear mech + friction silver bar-end shifter conundrum

2021-11-27 Thread Joe Bernard 
What is the "before" you're comparing this setup to? 

Joe Bernard

On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 12:55:34 PM UTC-8 Andrew Turner wrote:

> I've got the Deore shadow rear mech that Riv sells, a 12-36 9 speed 
> cassette and Silver bar-end shifters and I noticed it takes waay more 
> effort to pull the lever up to run the lower gears than before. I'm 
> considering using their downtube shifters for a little extra leverage. Is 
> this due to the stronger spring in the rear mech or what? Is there 
> something i can do or will time and use make it easier?  
>
> And just to vent, this shadow design is a little, well, dumb. I can't 
> throw the chain across the whole range to the small cog without it getting 
> stuck on the part of the mech where the limit screws are. Not that I would 
> ever do that but damn. 

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