[RBW] Re: Dialing in stem for rough stuff

[Lungimsam]

Oops...I see that the tusks were raised.

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[RBW] Re: Dialing in stem for rough stuff

[Lungimsam]

On the steely mammoth or the silvery Quickbeam?

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[RBW] Re: Dialing in stem for rough stuff

[Deacon Patrick]

On today's ride I raised my stem a cm (which also brings the bars back 
slightly. I think that may be the jam, the best of all possible worlds. 
Lots of climbing with single track, and it felt great.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 5:26:30 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I thought my Hunqapillar stem (9cm Tallux) was pretty dialed in. However, 
> after riding my Quickbeam with a shorter stem and simultaneously moving my 
> seat back half the difference, pedaling feels more direct and powerful, 
> position more dialed in on the QB than before. Which has me wondering if I 
> went shorter with the Hunqapillar stem, would I prefer it? Possibly 
> shifting to a 7cm Tallux would do it. I don’t want to go too short because:
>
> — Climbs: Current stem allows for enough weight on the front wheel that 
> steep single-track climbs without anything on the front rack (day rides) to 
> climb well. The shorter the stem, the harder it is to weight the front 
> wheel on climbs.
>
> Thoughts, ideas?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Dialing in stem for rough stuff

[Deacon Patrick]

Well described, Mark. The challenge of a bike that does 8+ hours a day on 
whatever, from paved to singletrack and the Hunqapillar is 100% there 
except for a few nit-picks. I'm am absolutely nit picking here.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 8:23:49 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> For what it's worth, most modern MTBs have very short stems relative to a 
> rider's normal 'road' stem length. I was out mountain biking with a club a 
> few weeks back and most people were running stems around 1-2cm shorter or 
> more compared to road setups. I think the reasoning is that it makes the 
> handling more 'snappy' for tight trails. The frame geo is likely tweaked to 
> accommodate the shorter stem without shortening the overall reach though. 
>
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 6:51:32 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Justin and Matt. If I was early on in the adjusting process, you'd 
>> be spot on, but I'm now at the point of fine tuning, so I already know I 
>> want my current seat/stem distance just further back (except when I climb 
>> technical trails. Grin.).
>>
>> Interesting, Matt. I haven't experienced that seasonal change, though, 
>> yes, my rides are longer in recent weeks between longer days and happier 
>> brain. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick 
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 12:09:15 AM UTC-6, Justin August wrote:
>>>
>>> Try just adjusting your saddle back but keeping the stem the same. You 
>>> changed two variables on the QB. It's easy to imitate one variable (saddle 
>>> movement) and then determine if you'll need to change the stem after a ride 
>>> or two.  
>>>
>>> -Justin
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Dialing in stem for rough stuff

[Mark Reimer]

For what it's worth, most modern MTBs have very short stems relative to a 
rider's normal 'road' stem length. I was out mountain biking with a club a 
few weeks back and most people were running stems around 1-2cm shorter or 
more compared to road setups. I think the reasoning is that it makes the 
handling more 'snappy' for tight trails. The frame geo is likely tweaked to 
accommodate the shorter stem without shortening the overall reach though. 

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 6:51:32 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Thanks Justin and Matt. If I was early on in the adjusting process, you'd 
> be spot on, but I'm now at the point of fine tuning, so I already know I 
> want my current seat/stem distance just further back (except when I climb 
> technical trails. Grin.).
>
> Interesting, Matt. I haven't experienced that seasonal change, though, 
> yes, my rides are longer in recent weeks between longer days and happier 
> brain. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
>
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 12:09:15 AM UTC-6, Justin August wrote:
>>
>> Try just adjusting your saddle back but keeping the stem the same. You 
>> changed two variables on the QB. It's easy to imitate one variable (saddle 
>> movement) and then determine if you'll need to change the stem after a ride 
>> or two.  
>>
>> -Justin
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Dialing in stem for rough stuff

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks Justin and Matt. If I was early on in the adjusting process, you'd 
be spot on, but I'm now at the point of fine tuning, so I already know I 
want my current seat/stem distance just further back (except when I climb 
technical trails. Grin.).

Interesting, Matt. I haven't experienced that seasonal change, though, yes, 
my rides are longer in recent weeks between longer days and happier brain. 
Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 12:09:15 AM UTC-6, Justin August wrote:
>
> Try just adjusting your saddle back but keeping the stem the same. You 
> changed two variables on the QB. It's easy to imitate one variable (saddle 
> movement) and then determine if you'll need to change the stem after a ride 
> or two.  
>
> -Justin
>

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[RBW] Re: Dialing in stem for rough stuff

[Ron Mc]

My upright is set up Deac's way and it's the best climber I own.  But I 
lean forward in climbs, which keeps the front wheel down - mostly.  

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 6:38:19 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The Deacon teed it up with :
>
> "— Climbs: Current stem allows for enough weight on the front wheel that 
> steep single-track climbs without anything on the front rack (day rides) to 
> climb well. The shorter the stem, the harder it is to weight the front 
> wheel on climbs.
>
> Thoughts, ideas?"
>
> Those who find their front wheel pops up too easily on steep climbs 
> sometimes wish they had . wait for it . longer chainstays.  
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Dialing in stem for rough stuff

[Matt B.]

Hi Patrick, I've gone back and forth with stem length for my QB, and 
completely agree about trade-offs, e.g. for climbing and descending.  I'm 
wondering if you are just getting back into doing longer rides now that 
spring is here?   I find that after a period of not riding as much as 
usual, I end up feeling like a shorter stem would be good...but that as 
seasons change with longer days and longer rides, my body changes and I 
want a longer stem.  I use a stem right in the middle of those, so the 
goldilocks length happens about twice a year :)


On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 7:26:30 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I thought my Hunqapillar stem (9cm Tallux) was pretty dialed in. However, 
> after riding my Quickbeam with a shorter stem and simultaneously moving my 
> seat back half the difference, pedaling feels more direct and powerful, 
> position more dialed in on the QB than before. Which has me wondering if I 
> went shorter with the Hunqapillar stem, would I prefer it? Possibly 
> shifting to a 7cm Tallux would do it. I don’t want to go too short because:
>
> — Climbs: Current stem allows for enough weight on the front wheel that 
> steep single-track climbs without anything on the front rack (day rides) to 
> climb well. The shorter the stem, the harder it is to weight the front 
> wheel on climbs.
>
> Thoughts, ideas?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Dialing in stem for rough stuff

[Justin August]

Try just adjusting your saddle back but keeping the stem the same. You changed 
two variables on the QB. It's easy to imitate one variable (saddle movement) 
and then determine if you'll need to change the stem after a ride or two.  

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: Dialing in stem for rough stuff

[Deacon Patrick]

No.

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 6:33:53 PM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Ever consider getting a fit?
>

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[RBW] Re: Dialing in stem for rough stuff

[Deacon Patrick]

Yeah, Bill, I wondered about that as I was posting this. Of course, as 
Richard points out in the long chain stay thread, they also mean you can't 
pop the front wheel over rocks and roots as easily, so there is a trade off.

I'm pondering eventually trying a 7cm stem and just always riding with the 
front TrunkSack with a standard load in it to counter balance.

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 5:38:19 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The Deacon teed it up with :
>
> "— Climbs: Current stem allows for enough weight on the front wheel that 
> steep single-track climbs without anything on the front rack (day rides) to 
> climb well. The shorter the stem, the harder it is to weight the front 
> wheel on climbs.
>
> Thoughts, ideas?"
>
> Those who find their front wheel pops up too easily on steep climbs 
> sometimes wish they had . wait for it . longer chainstays.  
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Dialing in stem for rough stuff

[Belopsky]

Ever consider getting a fit?

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 7:26:30 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I thought my Hunqapillar stem (9cm Tallux) was pretty dialed in. However, 
> after riding my Quickbeam with a shorter stem and simultaneously moving my 
> seat back half the difference, pedaling feels more direct and powerful, 
> position more dialed in on the QB than before. Which has me wondering if I 
> went shorter with the Hunqapillar stem, would I prefer it? Possibly 
> shifting to a 7cm Tallux would do it. I don’t want to go too short because:
>
> — Climbs: Current stem allows for enough weight on the front wheel that 
> steep single-track climbs without anything on the front rack (day rides) to 
> climb well. The shorter the stem, the harder it is to weight the front 
> wheel on climbs.
>
> Thoughts, ideas?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Dialing in stem for rough stuff

[Bill Lindsay]

The Deacon teed it up with :

"— Climbs: Current stem allows for enough weight on the front wheel that 
steep single-track climbs without anything on the front rack (day rides) to 
climb well. The shorter the stem, the harder it is to weight the front 
wheel on climbs.

Thoughts, ideas?"

Those who find their front wheel pops up too easily on steep climbs 
sometimes wish they had . wait for it . longer chainstays.  

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito, CA


>

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