Re: [RBW] Re: Eleven speeds on a ten-speed hub (It works!)

[Kevin Lindsey]

A "gear ring" is the toothed ring that, when stacked with ten others, forms 
the eleven-speed cluster.  I'm sure there's a more precise - or, at least, 
a less redundant - word for it, but using only the word "gear" sounded 
ambiguous, and "ring" non-descript, thus "gear ring."

On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 11:28:19 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> What is a "gear ring"?
>
> On 01/09/2016 11:21 AM, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> After much delay, I finished my wife's Hilborne and gingerly tested the 
> 11-speed-to-10-speed hack.  Much to my surprise, it works.  Removing one of 
> the gear rings keeps the spacing correct, so the transmission thinks it's 
> still got eleven gears in the back, but the now-10-speed cluster fits 
> perfectly on the 135 hub.  Voila! 
> Next step: convincing her that gears are a good thing.
> Kevin
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 11:34:59 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: 
>>
>> Jim, completely understand where you're going - I've been there (look at 
>> my 2 x 9 above).  But there are a lot of good points on this thread and 
>> just about every one of them points to the value of custom cassettes.  With 
>> 11t, my buddy has a 134" gear on his tandem - maybe on a tandem he may use 
>> it one day. 
>> Roadies defend their 11t cog with venom, and I googled one thread where 
>> somebody was bashing Miche's 11-sp cassette that begins with 12t.   
>> But on my 2x9, I have the narrow and the wide (pretty much where I want 
>> it), in a 12-29 cassette, by using a bailout ring on the compact double.  
>> Custom cassette and spending time on the calculator to pick everything is 
>> really the only way to get it.  But it's do-able in a 9sp or a 10sp - you 
>> can duplicate the steps and range of a well though-out 3 x 7.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 10:04:33 AM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote: 
>>>
>>> For me the 11 speed is about combining the features of a wide range 
>>> cassette with a narrow range cassette.  I frequently find myself 
>>> hunting for just the right gear and with 11-34 9 speed currently I 
>>> think the steps are a bit bigger than I would like. 
>>>
>>> I still want a fairly large cog in the back, but I also want close 
>>> spacing in the cruising speed ranges that I normally ride in - mid to 
>>> upper teens.  To me an 11 speed cassette is one way to solve that. 
>>>
>>> I've never felt like I've had too many gears with 9 speed and felt 
>>> like I wanted to step back to 7 speed.  Since we ride Rivendells that 
>>> are something of a throwback, I can appreciate the sentiment for less 
>>> gears, less complexity and nostalgia for older parts that worked well. 
>>> But there's nothing wrong with trying something newer either, so long 
>>> as it's economical, reliable and useful in operation.  11 speed prices 
>>> have fallen into the range of affordability, they seem to be as 
>>> reliable as anything else, and if they produce the desired effect, 
>>> then why not?  You don't have to join me if you're happy with what 
>>> you've got.  To each his/her own.  Just Ride. 
>>>
>>> Jim 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Montclair BobbyB 
>>>  wrote: 
>>> > I don't know, folks... There's inherent beauty (and plenty of gear 
>>> choices) in a 3x7 setup.  I love my front derailleur and a nice even chain 
>>> line... Just saying.  (11 speed??  Sorry, but to me that's just wrong). 
>>>  I'll take the heat for this comment, but I'm just not buying into this 
>>> nonsense of cramming more cogs on a cassette.  :) 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Eleven speeds on a ten-speed hub (It works!)

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/10/2016 05:19 AM, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
A "gear ring" is the toothed ring that, when stacked with ten others, 
forms the eleven-speed cluster.  I'm sure there's a more precise - or, 
at least, a less redundant - word for it, but using only the word 
"gear" sounded ambiguous, and "ring" non-descript, thus "gear ring."




That is called a *sprocket, gear, cogwheel* or *cog*. The last is 
ambiguous, because it generally means a single tooth but also can refer 
to the entire sprocket.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Eleven speeds on a ten-speed hub (It works!)

[Patrick Moore]

Or: cogset, cluster, cassette (if freehub), sprocket set, corncob (if 1
tooth jumps), freewheel (metonymy -- *not* synecdoche) and probably other
really hip old, British working class terms that I can't remember.

On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:31 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 01/10/2016 05:19 AM, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> A "gear ring" is the toothed ring that, when stacked with ten others,
> forms the eleven-speed cluster.  I'm sure there's a more precise - or, at
> least, a less redundant - word for it, but using only the word "gear"
> sounded ambiguous, and "ring" non-descript, thus "gear ring."
>
>
> That is called a *sprocket, gear, cogwheel* or *cog*.  The last is
> ambiguous, because it generally means a single tooth but also can refer to
> the entire sprocket.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Eleven speeds on a ten-speed hub (It works!)

[Kevin Lindsey]

After much delay, I finished my wife's Hilborne and gingerly tested the 
11-speed-to-10-speed hack.  Much to my surprise, it works.  Removing one of 
the gear rings keeps the spacing correct, so the transmission thinks it's 
still got eleven gears in the back, but the now-10-speed cluster fits 
perfectly on the 135 hub.  Voila!
Next step: convincing her that gears are a good thing.
Kevin

On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 11:34:59 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Jim, completely understand where you're going - I've been there (look at 
> my 2 x 9 above).  But there are a lot of good points on this thread and 
> just about every one of them points to the value of custom cassettes.  With 
> 11t, my buddy has a 134" gear on his tandem - maybe on a tandem he may use 
> it one day. 
> Roadies defend their 11t cog with venom, and I googled one thread where 
> somebody was bashing Miche's 11-sp cassette that begins with 12t.  
> But on my 2x9, I have the narrow and the wide (pretty much where I want 
> it), in a 12-29 cassette, by using a bailout ring on the compact double.  
> Custom cassette and spending time on the calculator to pick everything is 
> really the only way to get it.  But it's do-able in a 9sp or a 10sp - you 
> can duplicate the steps and range of a well though-out 3 x 7.  
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 10:04:33 AM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> For me the 11 speed is about combining the features of a wide range 
>> cassette with a narrow range cassette.  I frequently find myself 
>> hunting for just the right gear and with 11-34 9 speed currently I 
>> think the steps are a bit bigger than I would like. 
>>
>> I still want a fairly large cog in the back, but I also want close 
>> spacing in the cruising speed ranges that I normally ride in - mid to 
>> upper teens.  To me an 11 speed cassette is one way to solve that. 
>>
>> I've never felt like I've had too many gears with 9 speed and felt 
>> like I wanted to step back to 7 speed.  Since we ride Rivendells that 
>> are something of a throwback, I can appreciate the sentiment for less 
>> gears, less complexity and nostalgia for older parts that worked well. 
>> But there's nothing wrong with trying something newer either, so long 
>> as it's economical, reliable and useful in operation.  11 speed prices 
>> have fallen into the range of affordability, they seem to be as 
>> reliable as anything else, and if they produce the desired effect, 
>> then why not?  You don't have to join me if you're happy with what 
>> you've got.  To each his/her own.  Just Ride. 
>>
>> Jim 
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Montclair BobbyB 
>>  wrote: 
>> > I don't know, folks... There's inherent beauty (and plenty of gear 
>> choices) in a 3x7 setup.  I love my front derailleur and a nice even chain 
>> line... Just saying.  (11 speed??  Sorry, but to me that's just wrong). 
>>  I'll take the heat for this comment, but I'm just not buying into this 
>> nonsense of cramming more cogs on a cassette.  :) 
>> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Eleven speeds on a ten-speed hub (It works!)

[Steve Palincsar]

What is a "gear ring"?

On 01/09/2016 11:21 AM, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
After much delay, I finished my wife's Hilborne and gingerly tested 
the 11-speed-to-10-speed hack.  Much to my surprise, it works. 
 Removing one of the gear rings keeps the spacing correct, so the 
transmission thinks it's still got eleven gears in the back, but the 
now-10-speed cluster fits perfectly on the 135 hub.  Voila!

Next step: convincing her that gears are a good thing.
Kevin

On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 11:34:59 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:

Jim, completely understand where you're going - I've been there
(look at my 2 x 9 above).  But there are a lot of good points on
this thread and just about every one of them points to the value
of custom cassettes.  With 11t, my buddy has a 134" gear on his
tandem - maybe on a tandem he may use it one day.
Roadies defend their 11t cog with venom, and I googled one thread
where somebody was bashing Miche's 11-sp cassette that begins with
12t.
But on my 2x9, I have the narrow and the wide (pretty much where I
want it), in a 12-29 cassette, by using a bailout ring on the
compact double.
Custom cassette and spending time on the calculator to pick
everything is really the only way to get it.  But it's do-able in
a 9sp or a 10sp - you can duplicate the steps and range of a well
though-out 3 x 7.

On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 10:04:33 AM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:

For me the 11 speed is about combining the features of a wide
range
cassette with a narrow range cassette.  I frequently find myself
hunting for just the right gear and with 11-34 9 speed
currently I
think the steps are a bit bigger than I would like.

I still want a fairly large cog in the back, but I also want
close
spacing in the cruising speed ranges that I normally ride in -
mid to
upper teens.  To me an 11 speed cassette is one way to solve
that.

I've never felt like I've had too many gears with 9 speed and
felt
like I wanted to step back to 7 speed.  Since we ride
Rivendells that
are something of a throwback, I can appreciate the sentiment
for less
gears, less complexity and nostalgia for older parts that
worked well.
But there's nothing wrong with trying something newer either,
so long
as it's economical, reliable and useful in operation.  11
speed prices
have fallen into the range of affordability, they seem to be as
reliable as anything else, and if they produce the desired
effect,
then why not?  You don't have to join me if you're happy with
what
you've got.  To each his/her own.  Just Ride.

Jim

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Montclair BobbyB
 wrote:
> I don't know, folks... There's inherent beauty (and plenty
of gear choices) in a 3x7 setup.  I love my front derailleur
and a nice even chain line... Just saying.  (11 speed??
 Sorry, but to me that's just wrong).  I'll take the heat for
this comment, but I'm just not buying into this nonsense of
cramming more cogs on a cassette.  :)
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Eleven speeds on a ten-speed hub (It works!)

[ted]

Good luck with that. As all true retro grouchy sticks in the mud know, 
multiple gears and even freewheels are superfluous.
But seriously, congrats and I hope your wife loves her Hillborne. Mine 
loves hers.


On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 8:21:31 AM UTC-8, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> After much delay, I finished my wife's Hilborne and gingerly tested the 
> 11-speed-to-10-speed hack.  Much to my surprise, it works.  Removing one of 
> the gear rings keeps the spacing correct, so the transmission thinks it's 
> still got eleven gears in the back, but the now-10-speed cluster fits 
> perfectly on the 135 hub.  Voila!
> Next step: convincing her that gears are a good thing.
> Kevin
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 11:34:59 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> Jim, completely understand where you're going - I've been there (look at 
>> my 2 x 9 above).  But there are a lot of good points on this thread and 
>> just about every one of them points to the value of custom cassettes.  With 
>> 11t, my buddy has a 134" gear on his tandem - maybe on a tandem he may use 
>> it one day. 
>> Roadies defend their 11t cog with venom, and I googled one thread where 
>> somebody was bashing Miche's 11-sp cassette that begins with 12t.  
>> But on my 2x9, I have the narrow and the wide (pretty much where I want 
>> it), in a 12-29 cassette, by using a bailout ring on the compact double.  
>> Custom cassette and spending time on the calculator to pick everything is 
>> really the only way to get it.  But it's do-able in a 9sp or a 10sp - you 
>> can duplicate the steps and range of a well though-out 3 x 7.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 10:04:33 AM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>> For me the 11 speed is about combining the features of a wide range 
>>> cassette with a narrow range cassette.  I frequently find myself 
>>> hunting for just the right gear and with 11-34 9 speed currently I 
>>> think the steps are a bit bigger than I would like. 
>>>
>>> I still want a fairly large cog in the back, but I also want close 
>>> spacing in the cruising speed ranges that I normally ride in - mid to 
>>> upper teens.  To me an 11 speed cassette is one way to solve that. 
>>>
>>> I've never felt like I've had too many gears with 9 speed and felt 
>>> like I wanted to step back to 7 speed.  Since we ride Rivendells that 
>>> are something of a throwback, I can appreciate the sentiment for less 
>>> gears, less complexity and nostalgia for older parts that worked well. 
>>> But there's nothing wrong with trying something newer either, so long 
>>> as it's economical, reliable and useful in operation.  11 speed prices 
>>> have fallen into the range of affordability, they seem to be as 
>>> reliable as anything else, and if they produce the desired effect, 
>>> then why not?  You don't have to join me if you're happy with what 
>>> you've got.  To each his/her own.  Just Ride. 
>>>
>>> Jim 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Montclair BobbyB 
>>>  wrote: 
>>> > I don't know, folks... There's inherent beauty (and plenty of gear 
>>> choices) in a 3x7 setup.  I love my front derailleur and a nice even chain 
>>> line... Just saying.  (11 speed??  Sorry, but to me that's just wrong). 
>>>  I'll take the heat for this comment, but I'm just not buying into this 
>>> nonsense of cramming more cogs on a cassette.  :) 
>>> > 
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