[RBW] Re: Every cog size Shimano 10 speed cog collection

2020-06-23 Thread Bill Lindsay 
John

My last few rides have been on other bikes, but I can assure you I am 
pre-emtively annoyed at the one-tooth jumps.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 5:15:48 AM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Bill
>
> How did the cassette work on the test rides?   Did you encounter 
> 'annoyingly small" shifts?
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 6:37:47 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> The 12-21 indexes great in the stand, so I'll take it out on the hilly 
>> road standard The Three Bears.  I'm expecting that it will be a grind to 
>> push the 30-21 up Papa Bear, and back up Wildcat on the way back home.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 3:09:35 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> great details and good work.
>>>
>>> I think you will find the gear change below 17T as 'annoyingly small".  
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Every cog size Shimano 10 speed cog collection

2020-06-23 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
Bill

How did the cassette work on the test rides?   Did you encounter 
'annoyingly small" shifts?

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 6:37:47 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The 12-21 indexes great in the stand, so I'll take it out on the hilly 
> road standard The Three Bears.  I'm expecting that it will be a grind to 
> push the 30-21 up Papa Bear, and back up Wildcat on the way back home.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 3:09:35 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> great details and good work.
>>
>> I think you will find the gear change below 17T as 'annoyingly small".  
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Every cog size Shimano 10 speed cog collection

2020-06-15 Thread Bill Lindsay 
The 12-21 indexes great in the stand, so I'll take it out on the hilly road 
standard The Three Bears.  I'm expecting that it will be a grind to push 
the 30-21 up Papa Bear, and back up Wildcat on the way back home.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 3:09:35 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Bill
>
> great details and good work.
>
> I think you will find the gear change below 17T as 'annoyingly small".  
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>

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[RBW] Re: Every cog size Shimano 10 speed cog collection

2020-06-15 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
Bill

great details and good work.

I think you will find the gear change below 17T as 'annoyingly small".  

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Every cog size Shimano 10 speed cog collection

2020-06-15 Thread Patrick Moore 
Forgot to add that yes, even for me, something bigger than 90 gi is
occasionally useful. I spun out (slow rpm; 175 mm crank arms) the 89" the
other day on a very slight downhill.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:46 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> 42/30, wheels 29.6" tall.
>
> This is the ideal cassette for these wheels and rings; it's currently a
> 14-25 9-speed while I wait for my cog order.
>
> 29.6" BIG ONES
>   42 28
> 13 96
> 14 89
> 15 83
> 16 78
> 17 73 49
> 18 69 46
> 19 65 44
> 20 62 41
> 22 57 38
> 25 50 33
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:40 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Patrick Moore said: "My own ideal dirt road cogsets are very similar,
>> only starting with a 13 and swapping the 21 for a 22 and adding a 25 or 26
>> at the back."
>>
>> What chainrings do you use with this ideal 10-speed 13-25/6?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:27:02 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> 10-speed straight block! It's beautiful. My own ideal dirt road cogsets
>>> are very similar, only starting with a 13 and swapping the 21 for a 22 and
>>> adding a 25 or 26 at the back.
>>>
>>> The only closer-ratio cogset is the secret "Polish Team17 X 17" cogset,
>>> with apologies to Poles everywhere.
>>>
>>> My own experience, not extensive, with index-shifting home-made cogsets
>>> is that they work pretty well post-7-speed. You might have to very slightly
>>> overshift on certain cogs, but not to the point where it's annoying --
>>> certainly no worse than OEM Shimano XT stock 7-speed indexing.
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:12 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0777.jpg]
 Here's my first proof-of-existence of a cassette that does not exist as
 an off the shelf product:  It's a 100% Shimano HG500, 10 speed, 12-21
 straight block.

 On my Rivendell Roadeo, with a 46/30 crankset, that will give me the
 following gears:

 46 30
 12 103.5 67.5
 13 95.6 62.3
 14 88.7 57.9
 15 82.8 54
 16 77.6 50.6
 17 73.1 47.7
 18 69 45
 19 65.4 42.6
 20 62.1 40.5
 21 59.2 38.6
 The way I have the chainline biased for minimum Q-factor, that
 effectively gives me a 1x10 in the big ring that will cover 60 - 100 gear
 inches.  I'll avoid the smallest three cogs with the 30T chainring.  The
 largest 7 cogs spread evenly over the 40 - 55 inch range.

 I haven't confirmed how well this indexes in the stand, but I'll check
 that out shortly.  The on-the-road question I will ask myself will be
 whether I find the steps between gears annoyingly TOO SMALL.

 It definitely looks cool

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA



 On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 5:42:48 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I bought six Shimano HG500 10 speed cassettes.  Three of the 12-28
> size and three of the 11-32 size.
>
> I ground off the heads of the rivets holding the cogs together, and
> pulled the cogs apart, and now I have the sweet beginnings of a fully
> stocked cog board.  The two cassettes yield:
>
> 11T lockring
> 12T lockring
> 11T first position
> 12T first position
> 12T second position
> 13T second position
> 2x 14T flat
> 15T flat
> 16T flat
> 17T flat
> 18T flat
> 19T flat
> 20T flat
> 21T flat
> 22T flat
> 23T flat
> 2x 25T flat
> 28T flat
> 28T beveled
> 32T beveled
>
> Lots of 10 speed spacers
>
> The 11-32 cogs have some weird discoloration, like maybe they get
> washed after assembly and the moisture got trapped.  Whatever.
>
> If anybody wants to buy a very hard to find 20T or 22T Shimano 10
> speed cog, I would sell one of each, two cogs for $25 shipped.  I'll even
> throw in two spacers.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> [image: unnamed.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Every cog size Shimano 10 speed cog collection

2020-06-15 Thread Patrick Moore 
42/30, wheels 29.6" tall.

This is the ideal cassette for these wheels and rings; it's currently a
14-25 9-speed while I wait for my cog order.

29.6" BIG ONES
  42 28
13 96
14 89
15 83
16 78
17 73 49
18 69 46
19 65 44
20 62 41
22 57 38
25 50 33

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:40 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Patrick Moore said: "My own ideal dirt road cogsets are very similar, only
> starting with a 13 and swapping the 21 for a 22 and adding a 25 or 26 at
> the back."
>
> What chainrings do you use with this ideal 10-speed 13-25/6?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:27:02 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> 10-speed straight block! It's beautiful. My own ideal dirt road cogsets
>> are very similar, only starting with a 13 and swapping the 21 for a 22 and
>> adding a 25 or 26 at the back.
>>
>> The only closer-ratio cogset is the secret "Polish Team17 X 17" cogset,
>> with apologies to Poles everywhere.
>>
>> My own experience, not extensive, with index-shifting home-made cogsets
>> is that they work pretty well post-7-speed. You might have to very slightly
>> overshift on certain cogs, but not to the point where it's annoying --
>> certainly no worse than OEM Shimano XT stock 7-speed indexing.
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:12 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0777.jpg]
>>> Here's my first proof-of-existence of a cassette that does not exist as
>>> an off the shelf product:  It's a 100% Shimano HG500, 10 speed, 12-21
>>> straight block.
>>>
>>> On my Rivendell Roadeo, with a 46/30 crankset, that will give me the
>>> following gears:
>>>
>>> 46 30
>>> 12 103.5 67.5
>>> 13 95.6 62.3
>>> 14 88.7 57.9
>>> 15 82.8 54
>>> 16 77.6 50.6
>>> 17 73.1 47.7
>>> 18 69 45
>>> 19 65.4 42.6
>>> 20 62.1 40.5
>>> 21 59.2 38.6
>>> The way I have the chainline biased for minimum Q-factor, that
>>> effectively gives me a 1x10 in the big ring that will cover 60 - 100 gear
>>> inches.  I'll avoid the smallest three cogs with the 30T chainring.  The
>>> largest 7 cogs spread evenly over the 40 - 55 inch range.
>>>
>>> I haven't confirmed how well this indexes in the stand, but I'll check
>>> that out shortly.  The on-the-road question I will ask myself will be
>>> whether I find the steps between gears annoyingly TOO SMALL.
>>>
>>> It definitely looks cool
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 5:42:48 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I bought six Shimano HG500 10 speed cassettes.  Three of the 12-28 size
 and three of the 11-32 size.

 I ground off the heads of the rivets holding the cogs together, and
 pulled the cogs apart, and now I have the sweet beginnings of a fully
 stocked cog board.  The two cassettes yield:

 11T lockring
 12T lockring
 11T first position
 12T first position
 12T second position
 13T second position
 2x 14T flat
 15T flat
 16T flat
 17T flat
 18T flat
 19T flat
 20T flat
 21T flat
 22T flat
 23T flat
 2x 25T flat
 28T flat
 28T beveled
 32T beveled

 Lots of 10 speed spacers

 The 11-32 cogs have some weird discoloration, like maybe they get
 washed after assembly and the moisture got trapped.  Whatever.

 If anybody wants to buy a very hard to find 20T or 22T Shimano 10 speed
 cog, I would sell one of each, two cogs for $25 shipped.  I'll even throw
 in two spacers.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 [image: unnamed.jpg]

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Re: [RBW] Re: Every cog size Shimano 10 speed cog collection

2020-06-15 Thread Bill Lindsay 
Patrick Moore said: "My own ideal dirt road cogsets are very similar, only 
starting with a 13 and swapping the 21 for a 22 and adding a 25 or 26 at 
the back."

What chainrings do you use with this ideal 10-speed 13-25/6?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:27:02 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> 10-speed straight block! It's beautiful. My own ideal dirt road cogsets 
> are very similar, only starting with a 13 and swapping the 21 for a 22 and 
> adding a 25 or 26 at the back.
>
> The only closer-ratio cogset is the secret "Polish Team17 X 17" cogset, 
> with apologies to Poles everywhere.
>
> My own experience, not extensive, with index-shifting home-made cogsets is 
> that they work pretty well post-7-speed. You might have to very slightly 
> overshift on certain cogs, but not to the point where it's annoying -- 
> certainly no worse than OEM Shimano XT stock 7-speed indexing.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:12 AM Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0777.jpg]
>> Here's my first proof-of-existence of a cassette that does not exist as 
>> an off the shelf product:  It's a 100% Shimano HG500, 10 speed, 12-21 
>> straight block.  
>>
>> On my Rivendell Roadeo, with a 46/30 crankset, that will give me the 
>> following gears:
>>
>> 46 30 
>> 12 103.5 67.5 
>> 13 95.6 62.3 
>> 14 88.7 57.9 
>> 15 82.8 54 
>> 16 77.6 50.6 
>> 17 73.1 47.7 
>> 18 69 45 
>> 19 65.4 42.6 
>> 20 62.1 40.5 
>> 21 59.2 38.6 
>> The way I have the chainline biased for minimum Q-factor, that 
>> effectively gives me a 1x10 in the big ring that will cover 60 - 100 gear 
>> inches.  I'll avoid the smallest three cogs with the 30T chainring.  The 
>> largest 7 cogs spread evenly over the 40 - 55 inch range.  
>>
>> I haven't confirmed how well this indexes in the stand, but I'll check 
>> that out shortly.  The on-the-road question I will ask myself will be 
>> whether I find the steps between gears annoyingly TOO SMALL.
>>
>> It definitely looks cool
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 5:42:48 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought six Shimano HG500 10 speed cassettes.  Three of the 12-28 size 
>>> and three of the 11-32 size.  
>>>
>>> I ground off the heads of the rivets holding the cogs together, and 
>>> pulled the cogs apart, and now I have the sweet beginnings of a fully 
>>> stocked cog board.  The two cassettes yield:
>>>
>>> 11T lockring
>>> 12T lockring
>>> 11T first position
>>> 12T first position
>>> 12T second position
>>> 13T second position
>>> 2x 14T flat
>>> 15T flat
>>> 16T flat
>>> 17T flat
>>> 18T flat
>>> 19T flat
>>> 20T flat
>>> 21T flat
>>> 22T flat
>>> 23T flat
>>> 2x 25T flat
>>> 28T flat
>>> 28T beveled 
>>> 32T beveled
>>>
>>> Lots of 10 speed spacers
>>>
>>> The 11-32 cogs have some weird discoloration, like maybe they get washed 
>>> after assembly and the moisture got trapped.  Whatever. 
>>>
>>> If anybody wants to buy a very hard to find 20T or 22T Shimano 10 speed 
>>> cog, I would sell one of each, two cogs for $25 shipped.  I'll even throw 
>>> in two spacers.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> [image: unnamed.jpg]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Every cog size Shimano 10 speed cog collection

2020-06-12 Thread Garth 


Thanks a bunch Bill, that's very helpful !

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[RBW] Re: Every cog size Shimano 10 speed cog collection

2020-06-12 Thread Bill Lindsay 
I held the cassette in my left hand.  I ground off the flat head of each 
rivet with my dremel.  The force and action required was similar to what I 
would have done trying to erase a pencil mark.  It took roughly 30 seconds 
per rivet.  

Once the heads were ground off, I set the cassette over a small gap.  In my 
case it was a small gap between my vise jaws.  With a drift punch and a 
rubber mallet I tapped the rivet once, and it stuck out the other side.  I 
grabbed the stuck out other head with pliers and pulled it out.  The force 
required varied between zero and maybe the amount of pull force it takes to 
pull a rusty brake cable out of its non-lined brake cable housing.  

The entire time it took to go from a sealed shipping box to the cog 
arrangement in the photo was somewhere between 4 and 5 minutes.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 1:59:01 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>  
>
> Bill, did you only have to grind off the top of the rivet and they pulled 
> apart ?  No punching out or drilling the rod ? For that matter, how did you 
> secure the cassettes for the grinding off the heads ?  
>
> Inquiring minds wish to know !
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Every cog size Shimano 10 speed cog collection

2020-06-12 Thread Garth 
 

Bill, did you only have to grind off the top of the rivet and they pulled 
apart ?  No punching out or drilling the rod ? For that matter, how did you 
secure the cassettes for the grinding off the heads ?  

Inquiring minds wish to know !


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