Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 2001 Riv Custom $2100
BUMP - this bike is still up for sale, new price *$1,850* to me in Boston. I can bring it wherever (within reason) you instruct me for packing / shipping (arranged and paid by you) but that's on you. Alternative idea I would consider: Rolling chassis: Frameset (including fork and bottom bracket), wheels, tires and skewers, headset, and seatpost: *$1,300 *to me in Boston same as above, shipping and packing arranged by you. Max in Boston On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 7:26:17 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote: > The Hilsen I put up for sale at the same time as this generated lots of > interest and sold within a week, while the Custom only got the question > from Dave above. > > I'm thinking maybe the custom was priced too high. I thought there would > be more interest, but of course a custom isn't really a custom after the > original owner had it built, now it's just a bike with a unique road > geometry and given that more and more people want fatter tires and more > slack geometries it might be less appealing to some... Anyway, to see if I > can help get some people excited, here it goes: if you're a weight weenie, > I think this bike fully built, as pictured weighs around 25lbs. Also, out > of all the bikes I have ever ridden, this one is probably the most > responsive and the Paul brakes have amazing breaking power. The way I see > it, this is your chance to own (and ride) a piece of history. > > *New lower price: $1,900 + shipping* > > Please let me know if you're interested. > > Max in Boston > Feeling good about shipping good parts and an amazing bike to good people > who will enjoy them while downsizing my bike obsession > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 11:12:54 PM UTC-4 Ray Varella wrote: > >> I have a similar affinity towards my 6” steel rule. It’s metric on one >> side and imperial on the other. >> It is my most reached for tool by a long shot. Since I don’t own a >> vernier caliper I poor boy it by using an adjustable wrench to get the >> diameter of a tube or rod and then measure the opening with my ruler. >> If I were a machinist I would want something with more critical >> tolerances but this method has served me well in countless situations. >> >> I had a talk with my niece a few weeks ago and explained to her the >> importance of knowing how to repair things and that for most of my life I >> have purchased a tool for a job that needed it and over the decades have >> acquired tools to keep vehicles and appliances on the road and perform home >> repairs. >> Living a short bike ride from a good hardware store is just as important >> as being able to repair things. >> >> Question for Bill and others, what are you measuring that makes your >> calipers indispensable….and why the cheap tool? >> >> Ray >> >> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 3:35:05 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote: >> >>> I agree. I bought some calipers years ago and I grab them way more often >>> than I expected to. A very useful tool to have. >>> >>> Robert Tilley >>> San Diego, CA >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 7:09 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote: >>> >>> Anybody who cares about bikes enough to work on them should have an >>> inexpensive vernier caliper. They are <$10 at any hardware store. Anybody >>> who cares enough about working on stuff around the house should have an >>> inexpensive vernier caliper. Anybody who cares about the objective >>> diameter of cylindrical objects should have one. My workbench tends >>> towards chaotic, so I bought two of the identical cheapo model. They both >>> live on the same hook on my toolboard, so if I set one down without putting >>> it away, I still can get the other one to do the measurement I need. There >>> are only a few tools that are important enough to double up on my >>> toolboard, and that's one of them. >>> >>> >>> Bill Lindsay >>> El Cerrito, CA >>> >>> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 6:07:25 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote: >>> Thanks for the insight Bill! I don't own a caliper so until I make my way to the LBS, we won't be sure... Dave, the standover height is approx. 34" Max On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:28:13 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote: > That may also explain the fillet brazed bottom bracket on the Frank > Jones Sr. > > The Hubbuhubbuhs also used tubes that change section from round to > oval, as did the Rosco Babys. > > Laing > > On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:04:47 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote: > >> Max asked something about bulged tube ends on historical Rivendells. >> I'm not sure about the precise question. What I do know is that Grant >> told >> me that they have employed a number of 'baseball bat' frame tubes on >> various things. Seat tube that bulge from 28.6 up to 31.8 at the BB is >> one >> example. The reason I brought it up with Grant was when they offered >> the >> Frank Jones S
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 2001 Riv Custom $2100
The Hilsen I put up for sale at the same time as this generated lots of interest and sold within a week, while the Custom only got the question from Dave above. I'm thinking maybe the custom was priced too high. I thought there would be more interest, but of course a custom isn't really a custom after the original owner had it built, now it's just a bike with a unique road geometry and given that more and more people want fatter tires and more slack geometries it might be less appealing to some... Anyway, to see if I can help get some people excited, here it goes: if you're a weight weenie, I think this bike fully built, as pictured weighs around 25lbs. Also, out of all the bikes I have ever ridden, this one is probably the most responsive and the Paul brakes have amazing breaking power. The way I see it, this is your chance to own (and ride) a piece of history. *New lower price: $1,900 + shipping* Please let me know if you're interested. Max in Boston Feeling good about shipping good parts and an amazing bike to good people who will enjoy them while downsizing my bike obsession On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 11:12:54 PM UTC-4 Ray Varella wrote: > I have a similar affinity towards my 6” steel rule. It’s metric on one > side and imperial on the other. > It is my most reached for tool by a long shot. Since I don’t own a vernier > caliper I poor boy it by using an adjustable wrench to get the diameter of > a tube or rod and then measure the opening with my ruler. > If I were a machinist I would want something with more critical tolerances > but this method has served me well in countless situations. > > I had a talk with my niece a few weeks ago and explained to her the > importance of knowing how to repair things and that for most of my life I > have purchased a tool for a job that needed it and over the decades have > acquired tools to keep vehicles and appliances on the road and perform home > repairs. > Living a short bike ride from a good hardware store is just as important > as being able to repair things. > > Question for Bill and others, what are you measuring that makes your > calipers indispensable….and why the cheap tool? > > Ray > > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 3:35:05 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote: > >> I agree. I bought some calipers years ago and I grab them way more often >> than I expected to. A very useful tool to have. >> >> Robert Tilley >> San Diego, CA >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 18, 2021, at 7:09 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >> Anybody who cares about bikes enough to work on them should have an >> inexpensive vernier caliper. They are <$10 at any hardware store. Anybody >> who cares enough about working on stuff around the house should have an >> inexpensive vernier caliper. Anybody who cares about the objective >> diameter of cylindrical objects should have one. My workbench tends >> towards chaotic, so I bought two of the identical cheapo model. They both >> live on the same hook on my toolboard, so if I set one down without putting >> it away, I still can get the other one to do the measurement I need. There >> are only a few tools that are important enough to double up on my >> toolboard, and that's one of them. >> >> >> Bill Lindsay >> El Cerrito, CA >> >> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 6:07:25 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the insight Bill! I don't own a caliper so until I make my >>> way to the LBS, we won't be sure... >>> >>> Dave, the standover height is approx. 34" >>> >>> Max >>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:28:13 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote: >>> That may also explain the fillet brazed bottom bracket on the Frank Jones Sr. The Hubbuhubbuhs also used tubes that change section from round to oval, as did the Rosco Babys. Laing On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:04:47 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote: > Max asked something about bulged tube ends on historical Rivendells. > I'm not sure about the precise question. What I do know is that Grant > told > me that they have employed a number of 'baseball bat' frame tubes on > various things. Seat tube that bulge from 28.6 up to 31.8 at the BB is > one > example. The reason I brought it up with Grant was when they offered the > Frank Jones Senor with a 28.6mm downtube. That was the only Rivendell I > had ever heard of with a non-OS Downtube, and I knew Rivendell has their > own lugs cast, so it was kind of shocking to me that Rivendell would go > out > of their way to offer a bike with a standard diameter downtube, when > they'd > been defending 31.8 against the planing zealots for years. Grant > explained > to me that the lower head lug they were using in the Frank Jones Senor > was > from a pile of lower headlugs that they would use on SMALL customs. They > would use a baseball bat tube shaped downtube that was
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 2001 Riv Custom $2100
I have a similar affinity towards my 6” steel rule. It’s metric on one side and imperial on the other. It is my most reached for tool by a long shot. Since I don’t own a vernier caliper I poor boy it by using an adjustable wrench to get the diameter of a tube or rod and then measure the opening with my ruler. If I were a machinist I would want something with more critical tolerances but this method has served me well in countless situations. I had a talk with my niece a few weeks ago and explained to her the importance of knowing how to repair things and that for most of my life I have purchased a tool for a job that needed it and over the decades have acquired tools to keep vehicles and appliances on the road and perform home repairs. Living a short bike ride from a good hardware store is just as important as being able to repair things. Question for Bill and others, what are you measuring that makes your calipers indispensable….and why the cheap tool? Ray On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 3:35:05 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote: > I agree. I bought some calipers years ago and I grab them way more often > than I expected to. A very useful tool to have. > > Robert Tilley > San Diego, CA > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 18, 2021, at 7:09 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Anybody who cares about bikes enough to work on them should have an > inexpensive vernier caliper. They are <$10 at any hardware store. Anybody > who cares enough about working on stuff around the house should have an > inexpensive vernier caliper. Anybody who cares about the objective > diameter of cylindrical objects should have one. My workbench tends > towards chaotic, so I bought two of the identical cheapo model. They both > live on the same hook on my toolboard, so if I set one down without putting > it away, I still can get the other one to do the measurement I need. There > are only a few tools that are important enough to double up on my > toolboard, and that's one of them. > > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 6:07:25 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote: > >> Thanks for the insight Bill! I don't own a caliper so until I make my way >> to the LBS, we won't be sure... >> >> Dave, the standover height is approx. 34" >> >> Max >> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:28:13 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote: >> >>> That may also explain the fillet brazed bottom bracket on the Frank >>> Jones Sr. >>> >>> The Hubbuhubbuhs also used tubes that change section from round to oval, >>> as did the Rosco Babys. >>> >>> Laing >>> >>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:04:47 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>> Max asked something about bulged tube ends on historical Rivendells. I'm not sure about the precise question. What I do know is that Grant told me that they have employed a number of 'baseball bat' frame tubes on various things. Seat tube that bulge from 28.6 up to 31.8 at the BB is one example. The reason I brought it up with Grant was when they offered the Frank Jones Senor with a 28.6mm downtube. That was the only Rivendell I had ever heard of with a non-OS Downtube, and I knew Rivendell has their own lugs cast, so it was kind of shocking to me that Rivendell would go out of their way to offer a bike with a standard diameter downtube, when they'd been defending 31.8 against the planing zealots for years. Grant explained to me that the lower head lug they were using in the Frank Jones Senor was from a pile of lower headlugs that they would use on SMALL customs. They would use a baseball bat tube shaped downtube that was 28.6 up at the headlug and 31.8 down at the BB. So, there is a history of Rivendell using tubes that are different sizes on either end. That doesn't guarantee anything about yours. Take your vernier caliper to the tube in question and check, I guess. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 1:13:13 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote: > I got an interesting note from a fellow member: > > "The photo looks like the junction of the head tube and down tube. > You can check with Rivendell - it looks like the tube was bulged to > fit the lug. On a tall frame like that they might have had to get > creative > with lugs and tubes." > > Does anyone know if Riv did something like that back then to fit the > lugs with large-ish / weird geometries? > > Thanks, > Max > On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 5:57:29 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Per my other thread, I've decided to downsize from 4 to 2 (or maybe >> 1) bikes so here it goes. I hope I don't regret letting this one go, but >> I >> have to start somewhere and this one isn't getting the miles it deserves. >> >> Price is $2,100 + packing & shipping (o
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 2001 Riv Custom $2100
I agree. I bought some calipers years ago and I grab them way more often than I expected to. A very useful tool to have. Robert Tilley San Diego, CA Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 18, 2021, at 7:09 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Anybody who cares about bikes enough to work on them should have an > inexpensive vernier caliper. They are <$10 at any hardware store. Anybody > who cares enough about working on stuff around the house should have an > inexpensive vernier caliper. Anybody who cares about the objective diameter > of cylindrical objects should have one. My workbench tends towards chaotic, > so I bought two of the identical cheapo model. They both live on the same > hook on my toolboard, so if I set one down without putting it away, I still > can get the other one to do the measurement I need. There are only a few > tools that are important enough to double up on my toolboard, and that's one > of them. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > >> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 6:07:25 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote: >> Thanks for the insight Bill! I don't own a caliper so until I make my way to >> the LBS, we won't be sure... >> >> Dave, the standover height is approx. 34" >> >> Max >>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:28:13 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote: >>> That may also explain the fillet brazed bottom bracket on the Frank Jones >>> Sr. >>> >>> The Hubbuhubbuhs also used tubes that change section from round to oval, as >>> did the Rosco Babys. >>> >>> Laing >>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:04:47 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote: Max asked something about bulged tube ends on historical Rivendells. I'm not sure about the precise question. What I do know is that Grant told me that they have employed a number of 'baseball bat' frame tubes on various things. Seat tube that bulge from 28.6 up to 31.8 at the BB is one example. The reason I brought it up with Grant was when they offered the Frank Jones Senor with a 28.6mm downtube. That was the only Rivendell I had ever heard of with a non-OS Downtube, and I knew Rivendell has their own lugs cast, so it was kind of shocking to me that Rivendell would go out of their way to offer a bike with a standard diameter downtube, when they'd been defending 31.8 against the planing zealots for years. Grant explained to me that the lower head lug they were using in the Frank Jones Senor was from a pile of lower headlugs that they would use on SMALL customs. They would use a baseball bat tube shaped downtube that was 28.6 up at the headlug and 31.8 down at the BB. So, there is a history of Rivendell using tubes that are different sizes on either end. That doesn't guarantee anything about yours. Take your vernier caliper to the tube in question and check, I guess. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 1:13:13 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote: > I got an interesting note from a fellow member: > > "The photo looks like the junction of the head tube and down tube. > You can check with Rivendell - it looks like the tube was bulged to fit > the lug. On a tall frame like that they might have had to get creative > with lugs and tubes." > > Does anyone know if Riv did something like that back then to fit the lugs > with large-ish / weird geometries? > > Thanks, > Max >> On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 5:57:29 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> Per my other thread, I've decided to downsize from 4 to 2 (or maybe 1) >> bikes so here it goes. I hope I don't regret letting this one go, but I >> have to start somewhere and this one isn't getting the miles it deserves. >> >> Price is $2,100 + packing & shipping (or local pickup in MA) >> >> 2001 Joe Starck / Joe Bell - Custom Road serial# 01JS114 - I'm the >> second owner. >> >> This is the first bike that I spec'd from the frame up and worked with >> James at Analog Cycles to complete the build. Please note that when I >> bought the frame it had a small bulge in the top tube (see photo), James >> looked at it and determined that it was safe to ride. It also has a few >> scratches and a few touch up spots here and there but it's in overall >> great condition. >> >> It rides great, very responsive and nimble... this bike is very light. I >> probably put in less than 100 miles since I built it up (I spent 8 >> months away from Boston in 2020/2021) >> >> I'm 5'11" with a 91 pbh (I have long legs) and my saddle height is 80.5cm >> >> Here are the details: >> 62cm c-t, 59cm top tube, 130 rear spacing >> Frame prep by Analog including frame saver >> >> Wheels came used from James at Analog - I don’t have the details, but I >> remember him saying something about cera
[RBW] Re: FS: 2001 Riv Custom $2100
Oh yeah! I agree. I bought one of those calipers and it was a game-changer. We should have another thread - show off your tool boxes and mechanic setups. On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 10:09:10 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote: > Anybody who cares about bikes enough to work on them should have an > inexpensive vernier caliper. They are <$10 at any hardware store. Anybody > who cares enough about working on stuff around the house should have an > inexpensive vernier caliper. Anybody who cares about the objective > diameter of cylindrical objects should have one. My workbench tends > towards chaotic, so I bought two of the identical cheapo model. They both > live on the same hook on my toolboard, so if I set one down without putting > it away, I still can get the other one to do the measurement I need. There > are only a few tools that are important enough to double up on my > toolboard, and that's one of them. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 6:07:25 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote: > >> Thanks for the insight Bill! I don't own a caliper so until I make my way >> to the LBS, we won't be sure... >> >> Dave, the standover height is approx. 34" >> >> Max >> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:28:13 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote: >> >>> That may also explain the fillet brazed bottom bracket on the Frank >>> Jones Sr. >>> >>> The Hubbuhubbuhs also used tubes that change section from round to oval, >>> as did the Rosco Babys. >>> >>> Laing >>> >>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:04:47 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>> Max asked something about bulged tube ends on historical Rivendells. I'm not sure about the precise question. What I do know is that Grant told me that they have employed a number of 'baseball bat' frame tubes on various things. Seat tube that bulge from 28.6 up to 31.8 at the BB is one example. The reason I brought it up with Grant was when they offered the Frank Jones Senor with a 28.6mm downtube. That was the only Rivendell I had ever heard of with a non-OS Downtube, and I knew Rivendell has their own lugs cast, so it was kind of shocking to me that Rivendell would go out of their way to offer a bike with a standard diameter downtube, when they'd been defending 31.8 against the planing zealots for years. Grant explained to me that the lower head lug they were using in the Frank Jones Senor was from a pile of lower headlugs that they would use on SMALL customs. They would use a baseball bat tube shaped downtube that was 28.6 up at the headlug and 31.8 down at the BB. So, there is a history of Rivendell using tubes that are different sizes on either end. That doesn't guarantee anything about yours. Take your vernier caliper to the tube in question and check, I guess. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 1:13:13 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote: > I got an interesting note from a fellow member: > > "The photo looks like the junction of the head tube and down tube. > You can check with Rivendell - it looks like the tube was bulged to > fit the lug. On a tall frame like that they might have had to get > creative > with lugs and tubes." > > Does anyone know if Riv did something like that back then to fit the > lugs with large-ish / weird geometries? > > Thanks, > Max > On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 5:57:29 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Per my other thread, I've decided to downsize from 4 to 2 (or maybe >> 1) bikes so here it goes. I hope I don't regret letting this one go, but >> I >> have to start somewhere and this one isn't getting the miles it deserves. >> >> Price is $2,100 + packing & shipping (or local pickup in MA) >> >> 2001 Joe Starck / Joe Bell - Custom Road serial# 01JS114 - I'm the >> second owner. >> >> This is the first bike that I spec'd from the frame up and worked >> with James at Analog Cycles to complete the build. Please note that when >> I >> bought the frame it had a small bulge in the top tube (see photo), James >> looked at it and determined that it was safe to ride. It also has a few >> scratches and a few touch up spots here and there but it's in overall >> great >> condition. >> >> It rides great, very responsive and nimble... this bike is very >> light. I probably put in less than 100 miles since I built it up (I >> spent 8 >> months away from Boston in 2020/2021) >> >> I'm 5'11" with a 91 pbh (I have long legs) and my saddle height is >> 80.5cm >> >> Here are the details: >> 62cm c-t, 59cm top tube, 130 rear spacing >> Frame prep by Analog including frame saver >> >> Wheels came used from James at Analog - I don’t ha
[RBW] Re: FS: 2001 Riv Custom $2100
Anybody who cares about bikes enough to work on them should have an inexpensive vernier caliper. They are <$10 at any hardware store. Anybody who cares enough about working on stuff around the house should have an inexpensive vernier caliper. Anybody who cares about the objective diameter of cylindrical objects should have one. My workbench tends towards chaotic, so I bought two of the identical cheapo model. They both live on the same hook on my toolboard, so if I set one down without putting it away, I still can get the other one to do the measurement I need. There are only a few tools that are important enough to double up on my toolboard, and that's one of them. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 6:07:25 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote: > Thanks for the insight Bill! I don't own a caliper so until I make my way > to the LBS, we won't be sure... > > Dave, the standover height is approx. 34" > > Max > On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:28:13 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote: > >> That may also explain the fillet brazed bottom bracket on the Frank Jones >> Sr. >> >> The Hubbuhubbuhs also used tubes that change section from round to oval, >> as did the Rosco Babys. >> >> Laing >> >> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:04:47 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >>> Max asked something about bulged tube ends on historical Rivendells. >>> I'm not sure about the precise question. What I do know is that Grant told >>> me that they have employed a number of 'baseball bat' frame tubes on >>> various things. Seat tube that bulge from 28.6 up to 31.8 at the BB is one >>> example. The reason I brought it up with Grant was when they offered the >>> Frank Jones Senor with a 28.6mm downtube. That was the only Rivendell I >>> had ever heard of with a non-OS Downtube, and I knew Rivendell has their >>> own lugs cast, so it was kind of shocking to me that Rivendell would go out >>> of their way to offer a bike with a standard diameter downtube, when they'd >>> been defending 31.8 against the planing zealots for years. Grant explained >>> to me that the lower head lug they were using in the Frank Jones Senor was >>> from a pile of lower headlugs that they would use on SMALL customs. They >>> would use a baseball bat tube shaped downtube that was 28.6 up at the >>> headlug and 31.8 down at the BB. >>> >>> So, there is a history of Rivendell using tubes that are different sizes >>> on either end. That doesn't guarantee anything about yours. Take your >>> vernier caliper to the tube in question and check, I guess. >>> >>> Bill Lindsay >>> El Cerrito, CA >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 1:13:13 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote: >>> I got an interesting note from a fellow member: "The photo looks like the junction of the head tube and down tube. You can check with Rivendell - it looks like the tube was bulged to fit the lug. On a tall frame like that they might have had to get creative with lugs and tubes." Does anyone know if Riv did something like that back then to fit the lugs with large-ish / weird geometries? Thanks, Max On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 5:57:29 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote: > Hi All, > > Per my other thread, I've decided to downsize from 4 to 2 (or maybe 1) > bikes so here it goes. I hope I don't regret letting this one go, but I > have to start somewhere and this one isn't getting the miles it deserves. > > Price is $2,100 + packing & shipping (or local pickup in MA) > > 2001 Joe Starck / Joe Bell - Custom Road serial# 01JS114 - I'm the > second owner. > > This is the first bike that I spec'd from the frame up and worked with > James at Analog Cycles to complete the build. Please note that when I > bought the frame it had a small bulge in the top tube (see photo), James > looked at it and determined that it was safe to ride. It also has a few > scratches and a few touch up spots here and there but it's in overall > great > condition. > > It rides great, very responsive and nimble... this bike is very light. > I probably put in less than 100 miles since I built it up (I spent 8 > months > away from Boston in 2020/2021) > > I'm 5'11" with a 91 pbh (I have long legs) and my saddle height is > 80.5cm > > Here are the details: > 62cm c-t, 59cm top tube, 130 rear spacing > Frame prep by Analog including frame saver > > Wheels came used from James at Analog - I don’t have the details, but > I remember him saying something about ceramic? Anyways, the tires are > green > Jack Brown 33.333 from Riv > > Drivetrain: White Industries 180mm cranks, 46/30 > Cassette: 11-32 XT M760 cassette > IRD Bottom Bracket > > 9s FSA "Team Issue" chain > Terry Fly Tri Gel Saddle & Nitto seat post included > > Chris King Headset
[RBW] Re: FS: 2001 Riv Custom $2100
Thanks for the insight Bill! I don't own a caliper so until I make my way to the LBS, we won't be sure... Dave, the standover height is approx. 34" Max On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:28:13 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote: > That may also explain the fillet brazed bottom bracket on the Frank Jones > Sr. > > The Hubbuhubbuhs also used tubes that change section from round to oval, > as did the Rosco Babys. > > Laing > > On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:04:47 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote: > >> Max asked something about bulged tube ends on historical Rivendells. I'm >> not sure about the precise question. What I do know is that Grant told me >> that they have employed a number of 'baseball bat' frame tubes on various >> things. Seat tube that bulge from 28.6 up to 31.8 at the BB is one >> example. The reason I brought it up with Grant was when they offered the >> Frank Jones Senor with a 28.6mm downtube. That was the only Rivendell I >> had ever heard of with a non-OS Downtube, and I knew Rivendell has their >> own lugs cast, so it was kind of shocking to me that Rivendell would go out >> of their way to offer a bike with a standard diameter downtube, when they'd >> been defending 31.8 against the planing zealots for years. Grant explained >> to me that the lower head lug they were using in the Frank Jones Senor was >> from a pile of lower headlugs that they would use on SMALL customs. They >> would use a baseball bat tube shaped downtube that was 28.6 up at the >> headlug and 31.8 down at the BB. >> >> So, there is a history of Rivendell using tubes that are different sizes >> on either end. That doesn't guarantee anything about yours. Take your >> vernier caliper to the tube in question and check, I guess. >> >> Bill Lindsay >> El Cerrito, CA >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 1:13:13 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote: >> >>> I got an interesting note from a fellow member: >>> >>> "The photo looks like the junction of the head tube and down tube. >>> You can check with Rivendell - it looks like the tube was bulged to fit >>> the lug. On a tall frame like that they might have had to get creative with >>> lugs and tubes." >>> >>> Does anyone know if Riv did something like that back then to fit the >>> lugs with large-ish / weird geometries? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Max >>> On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 5:57:29 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote: >>> Hi All, Per my other thread, I've decided to downsize from 4 to 2 (or maybe 1) bikes so here it goes. I hope I don't regret letting this one go, but I have to start somewhere and this one isn't getting the miles it deserves. Price is $2,100 + packing & shipping (or local pickup in MA) 2001 Joe Starck / Joe Bell - Custom Road serial# 01JS114 - I'm the second owner. This is the first bike that I spec'd from the frame up and worked with James at Analog Cycles to complete the build. Please note that when I bought the frame it had a small bulge in the top tube (see photo), James looked at it and determined that it was safe to ride. It also has a few scratches and a few touch up spots here and there but it's in overall great condition. It rides great, very responsive and nimble... this bike is very light. I probably put in less than 100 miles since I built it up (I spent 8 months away from Boston in 2020/2021) I'm 5'11" with a 91 pbh (I have long legs) and my saddle height is 80.5cm Here are the details: 62cm c-t, 59cm top tube, 130 rear spacing Frame prep by Analog including frame saver Wheels came used from James at Analog - I don’t have the details, but I remember him saying something about ceramic? Anyways, the tires are green Jack Brown 33.333 from Riv Drivetrain: White Industries 180mm cranks, 46/30 Cassette: 11-32 XT M760 cassette IRD Bottom Bracket 9s FSA "Team Issue" chain Terry Fly Tri Gel Saddle & Nitto seat post included Chris King Headset Nitto Noodle 46 cm bars Dura Ace Shifters - Bar End - Shimano Dura Ace, 9 Speed Paul Racer M Centerpull (this is my best braking bike by far) Brake Levers - Road - TRP - RRL SR, Drilled, Gum Hood VO Sabot Pedals included Bottle Cage (Nitto I think?) included Packing & Shipping will probably run about $150 and given how backed up the local LBS are, it might take a few weeks, so please keep that in mind. Please let me know if you have questions. Max downsizing and doubting the downsizing [image: IMG_1661 (1).jpeg] [image: IMG_2680.jpeg] [image: IMG_1663.jpeg] [image: IMG_1662.jpeg] [image: IMG_2683.jpeg] [image: IMG_2674.jpeg] >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emai
[RBW] Re: FS: 2001 Riv Custom $2100
That may also explain the fillet brazed bottom bracket on the Frank Jones Sr. The Hubbuhubbuhs also used tubes that change section from round to oval, as did the Rosco Babys. Laing On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:04:47 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote: > Max asked something about bulged tube ends on historical Rivendells. I'm > not sure about the precise question. What I do know is that Grant told me > that they have employed a number of 'baseball bat' frame tubes on various > things. Seat tube that bulge from 28.6 up to 31.8 at the BB is one > example. The reason I brought it up with Grant was when they offered the > Frank Jones Senor with a 28.6mm downtube. That was the only Rivendell I > had ever heard of with a non-OS Downtube, and I knew Rivendell has their > own lugs cast, so it was kind of shocking to me that Rivendell would go out > of their way to offer a bike with a standard diameter downtube, when they'd > been defending 31.8 against the planing zealots for years. Grant explained > to me that the lower head lug they were using in the Frank Jones Senor was > from a pile of lower headlugs that they would use on SMALL customs. They > would use a baseball bat tube shaped downtube that was 28.6 up at the > headlug and 31.8 down at the BB. > > So, there is a history of Rivendell using tubes that are different sizes > on either end. That doesn't guarantee anything about yours. Take your > vernier caliper to the tube in question and check, I guess. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > > > On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 1:13:13 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote: > >> I got an interesting note from a fellow member: >> >> "The photo looks like the junction of the head tube and down tube. >> You can check with Rivendell - it looks like the tube was bulged to fit >> the lug. On a tall frame like that they might have had to get creative with >> lugs and tubes." >> >> Does anyone know if Riv did something like that back then to fit the lugs >> with large-ish / weird geometries? >> >> Thanks, >> Max >> On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 5:57:29 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Per my other thread, I've decided to downsize from 4 to 2 (or maybe 1) >>> bikes so here it goes. I hope I don't regret letting this one go, but I >>> have to start somewhere and this one isn't getting the miles it deserves. >>> >>> Price is $2,100 + packing & shipping (or local pickup in MA) >>> >>> 2001 Joe Starck / Joe Bell - Custom Road serial# 01JS114 - I'm the >>> second owner. >>> >>> This is the first bike that I spec'd from the frame up and worked with >>> James at Analog Cycles to complete the build. Please note that when I >>> bought the frame it had a small bulge in the top tube (see photo), James >>> looked at it and determined that it was safe to ride. It also has a few >>> scratches and a few touch up spots here and there but it's in overall great >>> condition. >>> >>> It rides great, very responsive and nimble... this bike is very light. I >>> probably put in less than 100 miles since I built it up (I spent 8 months >>> away from Boston in 2020/2021) >>> >>> I'm 5'11" with a 91 pbh (I have long legs) and my saddle height is 80.5cm >>> >>> Here are the details: >>> 62cm c-t, 59cm top tube, 130 rear spacing >>> Frame prep by Analog including frame saver >>> >>> Wheels came used from James at Analog - I don’t have the details, but I >>> remember him saying something about ceramic? Anyways, the tires are green >>> Jack Brown 33.333 from Riv >>> >>> Drivetrain: White Industries 180mm cranks, 46/30 >>> Cassette: 11-32 XT M760 cassette >>> IRD Bottom Bracket >>> >>> 9s FSA "Team Issue" chain >>> Terry Fly Tri Gel Saddle & Nitto seat post included >>> >>> Chris King Headset >>> Nitto Noodle 46 cm bars >>> Dura Ace Shifters - Bar End - Shimano Dura Ace, 9 Speed >>> Paul Racer M Centerpull (this is my best braking bike by far) >>> Brake Levers - Road - TRP - RRL SR, Drilled, Gum Hood >>> VO Sabot Pedals included >>> Bottle Cage (Nitto I think?) included >>> >>> Packing & Shipping will probably run about $150 and given how backed up >>> the local LBS are, it might take a few weeks, so please keep that in mind. >>> >>> Please let me know if you have questions. >>> >>> Max >>> downsizing and doubting the downsizing >>> [image: IMG_1661 (1).jpeg] >>> [image: IMG_2680.jpeg] >>> [image: IMG_1663.jpeg] >>> [image: IMG_1662.jpeg] >>> [image: IMG_2683.jpeg] >>> [image: IMG_2674.jpeg] >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/43ae2c44-1695-4cdc-8819-84f8f92e2085n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: FS: 2001 Riv Custom $2100
Hi Max, What's the standover height? Dave On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 5:57:29 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote: > Hi All, > > Per my other thread, I've decided to downsize from 4 to 2 (or maybe 1) > bikes so here it goes. I hope I don't regret letting this one go, but I > have to start somewhere and this one isn't getting the miles it deserves. > > Price is $2,100 + packing & shipping (or local pickup in MA) > > 2001 Joe Starck / Joe Bell - Custom Road serial# 01JS114 - I'm the second > owner. > > This is the first bike that I spec'd from the frame up and worked with > James at Analog Cycles to complete the build. Please note that when I > bought the frame it had a small bulge in the top tube (see photo), James > looked at it and determined that it was safe to ride. It also has a few > scratches and a few touch up spots here and there but it's in overall great > condition. > > It rides great, very responsive and nimble... this bike is very light. I > probably put in less than 100 miles since I built it up (I spent 8 months > away from Boston in 2020/2021) > > I'm 5'11" with a 91 pbh (I have long legs) and my saddle height is 80.5cm > > Here are the details: > 62cm c-t, 59cm top tube, 130 rear spacing > Frame prep by Analog including frame saver > > Wheels came used from James at Analog - I don’t have the details, but I > remember him saying something about ceramic? Anyways, the tires are green > Jack Brown 33.333 from Riv > > Drivetrain: White Industries 180mm cranks, 46/30 > Cassette: 11-32 XT M760 cassette > IRD Bottom Bracket > > 9s FSA "Team Issue" chain > Terry Fly Tri Gel Saddle & Nitto seat post included > > Chris King Headset > Nitto Noodle 46 cm bars > Dura Ace Shifters - Bar End - Shimano Dura Ace, 9 Speed > Paul Racer M Centerpull (this is my best braking bike by far) > Brake Levers - Road - TRP - RRL SR, Drilled, Gum Hood > VO Sabot Pedals included > Bottle Cage (Nitto I think?) included > > Packing & Shipping will probably run about $150 and given how backed up > the local LBS are, it might take a few weeks, so please keep that in mind. > > Please let me know if you have questions. > > Max > downsizing and doubting the downsizing > [image: IMG_1661 (1).jpeg] > [image: IMG_2680.jpeg] > [image: IMG_1663.jpeg] > [image: IMG_1662.jpeg] > [image: IMG_2683.jpeg] > [image: IMG_2674.jpeg] > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e2007235-994a-4fbc-bf30-e7b92cf9a68dn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: FS: 2001 Riv Custom $2100
Max asked something about bulged tube ends on historical Rivendells. I'm not sure about the precise question. What I do know is that Grant told me that they have employed a number of 'baseball bat' frame tubes on various things. Seat tube that bulge from 28.6 up to 31.8 at the BB is one example. The reason I brought it up with Grant was when they offered the Frank Jones Senor with a 28.6mm downtube. That was the only Rivendell I had ever heard of with a non-OS Downtube, and I knew Rivendell has their own lugs cast, so it was kind of shocking to me that Rivendell would go out of their way to offer a bike with a standard diameter downtube, when they'd been defending 31.8 against the planing zealots for years. Grant explained to me that the lower head lug they were using in the Frank Jones Senor was from a pile of lower headlugs that they would use on SMALL customs. They would use a baseball bat tube shaped downtube that was 28.6 up at the headlug and 31.8 down at the BB. So, there is a history of Rivendell using tubes that are different sizes on either end. That doesn't guarantee anything about yours. Take your vernier caliper to the tube in question and check, I guess. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 1:13:13 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote: > I got an interesting note from a fellow member: > > "The photo looks like the junction of the head tube and down tube. > You can check with Rivendell - it looks like the tube was bulged to fit > the lug. On a tall frame like that they might have had to get creative with > lugs and tubes." > > Does anyone know if Riv did something like that back then to fit the lugs > with large-ish / weird geometries? > > Thanks, > Max > On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 5:57:29 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Per my other thread, I've decided to downsize from 4 to 2 (or maybe 1) >> bikes so here it goes. I hope I don't regret letting this one go, but I >> have to start somewhere and this one isn't getting the miles it deserves. >> >> Price is $2,100 + packing & shipping (or local pickup in MA) >> >> 2001 Joe Starck / Joe Bell - Custom Road serial# 01JS114 - I'm the second >> owner. >> >> This is the first bike that I spec'd from the frame up and worked with >> James at Analog Cycles to complete the build. Please note that when I >> bought the frame it had a small bulge in the top tube (see photo), James >> looked at it and determined that it was safe to ride. It also has a few >> scratches and a few touch up spots here and there but it's in overall great >> condition. >> >> It rides great, very responsive and nimble... this bike is very light. I >> probably put in less than 100 miles since I built it up (I spent 8 months >> away from Boston in 2020/2021) >> >> I'm 5'11" with a 91 pbh (I have long legs) and my saddle height is 80.5cm >> >> Here are the details: >> 62cm c-t, 59cm top tube, 130 rear spacing >> Frame prep by Analog including frame saver >> >> Wheels came used from James at Analog - I don’t have the details, but I >> remember him saying something about ceramic? Anyways, the tires are green >> Jack Brown 33.333 from Riv >> >> Drivetrain: White Industries 180mm cranks, 46/30 >> Cassette: 11-32 XT M760 cassette >> IRD Bottom Bracket >> >> 9s FSA "Team Issue" chain >> Terry Fly Tri Gel Saddle & Nitto seat post included >> >> Chris King Headset >> Nitto Noodle 46 cm bars >> Dura Ace Shifters - Bar End - Shimano Dura Ace, 9 Speed >> Paul Racer M Centerpull (this is my best braking bike by far) >> Brake Levers - Road - TRP - RRL SR, Drilled, Gum Hood >> VO Sabot Pedals included >> Bottle Cage (Nitto I think?) included >> >> Packing & Shipping will probably run about $150 and given how backed up >> the local LBS are, it might take a few weeks, so please keep that in mind. >> >> Please let me know if you have questions. >> >> Max >> downsizing and doubting the downsizing >> [image: IMG_1661 (1).jpeg] >> [image: IMG_2680.jpeg] >> [image: IMG_1663.jpeg] >> [image: IMG_1662.jpeg] >> [image: IMG_2683.jpeg] >> [image: IMG_2674.jpeg] >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c9f2b699-1a50-45d6-bbc0-0d32f4c15527n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: FS: 2001 Riv Custom $2100
I got an interesting note from a fellow member: "The photo looks like the junction of the head tube and down tube. You can check with Rivendell - it looks like the tube was bulged to fit the lug. On a tall frame like that they might have had to get creative with lugs and tubes." Does anyone know if Riv did something like that back then to fit the lugs with large-ish / weird geometries? Thanks, Max On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 5:57:29 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote: > Hi All, > > Per my other thread, I've decided to downsize from 4 to 2 (or maybe 1) > bikes so here it goes. I hope I don't regret letting this one go, but I > have to start somewhere and this one isn't getting the miles it deserves. > > Price is $2,100 + packing & shipping (or local pickup in MA) > > 2001 Joe Starck / Joe Bell - Custom Road serial# 01JS114 - I'm the second > owner. > > This is the first bike that I spec'd from the frame up and worked with > James at Analog Cycles to complete the build. Please note that when I > bought the frame it had a small bulge in the top tube (see photo), James > looked at it and determined that it was safe to ride. It also has a few > scratches and a few touch up spots here and there but it's in overall great > condition. > > It rides great, very responsive and nimble... this bike is very light. I > probably put in less than 100 miles since I built it up (I spent 8 months > away from Boston in 2020/2021) > > I'm 5'11" with a 91 pbh (I have long legs) and my saddle height is 80.5cm > > Here are the details: > 62cm c-t, 59cm top tube, 130 rear spacing > Frame prep by Analog including frame saver > > Wheels came used from James at Analog - I don’t have the details, but I > remember him saying something about ceramic? Anyways, the tires are green > Jack Brown 33.333 from Riv > > Drivetrain: White Industries 180mm cranks, 46/30 > Cassette: 11-32 XT M760 cassette > IRD Bottom Bracket > > 9s FSA "Team Issue" chain > Terry Fly Tri Gel Saddle & Nitto seat post included > > Chris King Headset > Nitto Noodle 46 cm bars > Dura Ace Shifters - Bar End - Shimano Dura Ace, 9 Speed > Paul Racer M Centerpull (this is my best braking bike by far) > Brake Levers - Road - TRP - RRL SR, Drilled, Gum Hood > VO Sabot Pedals included > Bottle Cage (Nitto I think?) included > > Packing & Shipping will probably run about $150 and given how backed up > the local LBS are, it might take a few weeks, so please keep that in mind. > > Please let me know if you have questions. > > Max > downsizing and doubting the downsizing > [image: IMG_1661 (1).jpeg] > [image: IMG_2680.jpeg] > [image: IMG_1663.jpeg] > [image: IMG_1662.jpeg] > [image: IMG_2683.jpeg] > [image: IMG_2674.jpeg] > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4fb33958-f365-4fdd-8a3b-d854bdd51d72n%40googlegroups.com.
