[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-06 Thread Joe Bernard
I've owned two Rivendells: a Romulus, and my current AHH. They're both good 
road bikes you can ride all week on any paved road, and most dirt ones. The 
only differences I can detect are more clearance and more braze-ons for the 
AHH. I can't vouch for the Romulus hitting a limit on tours I don't do, but 
for most daily riding conditions, I can't see the AHH guy hitting the road 
while Mr. Romulus sits home sulking because his bike let him down. 
 
As far as handling differences..I doubt it. I went from the Romulus to 
Recumbent World for a few years, so I can't say I have a direct memory of 
the Romulus' ride, but the AHH felt dang familiar when I hopped on it. I 
think it's safe to say they both ride like a Rivendell road bike. In other 
words..GREAT. 
 
 
 

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[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-06 Thread Bill Carter


On Jan 5, 12:12 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 1/4/12, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote:
  Ride the Romulus as the classic road bike it is.

This may be just a question of semantics, but I have always thought of
the Ramboulliet/Romulus as a type of sports tourer bike.  Keep in mind
I have never owned or ridden a Ram, but I do own a Heron Road I have
ridden for years and more recently acquired a Waterford 1250, both of
which are generally similar bikes to the Ram/Rom in my mind, and the
type of bike I prefer for my on-road recreational use.  (I'm not going
anywhere too fast anyhow, so I might as well be more comfortable.)  I
run 28s without fenders on both bikes, but I may give 32s a try next
time tires are needed.  I am not trying to be argumentative, just
would like some clarification on the terminology from some of you more
knowledgeable folks.  Is a classic road bike close to the same
thing, or is sports tourer or light touring bike just some
marketing mumbo jumbo?

PS - I would love it if Grant/Riv would paint some Rodeo frames in the
original Ram orange and badge and decal them as
Ramboulliet 2s.  I'd probably sell every bike I've got to buy one of
those.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-06 Thread Steven Frederick
I own a Heron Road and a Rambouillet (and coincidently owned a
Waterford 1250).  The Heron Road and 1250 were pretty similar--the
Heron is a bit stiffer-tubed and sportier but they have about the same
fender clearance.  (i.e., not much).  The Rambouillet is a touch
longer and slightly less sporty and uses longer reach brakes so has
room for fatter tires and fenders.

Steve

On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Bill Carter billcar...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Jan 5, 12:12 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 1/4/12, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote:
  Ride the Romulus as the classic road bike it is.

 This may be just a question of semantics, but I have always thought of
 the Ramboulliet/Romulus as a type of sports tourer bike.  Keep in mind
 I have never owned or ridden a Ram, but I do own a Heron Road I have
 ridden for years and more recently acquired a Waterford 1250, both of
 which are generally similar bikes to the Ram/Rom in my mind, and the
 type of bike I prefer for my on-road recreational use.  (I'm not going
 anywhere too fast anyhow, so I might as well be more comfortable.)  I
 run 28s without fenders on both bikes, but I may give 32s a try next
 time tires are needed.  I am not trying to be argumentative, just
 would like some clarification on the terminology from some of you more
 knowledgeable folks.  Is a classic road bike close to the same
 thing, or is sports tourer or light touring bike just some
 marketing mumbo jumbo?

 PS - I would love it if Grant/Riv would paint some Rodeo frames in the
 original Ram orange and badge and decal them as
 Ramboulliet 2s.  I'd probably sell every bike I've got to buy one of
 those.

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[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-06 Thread Bill Carter
I should probably add that I think the Roadeo (which I misspelled in
my previous post) is a great looking bike also, I just think the name
is a little too punning and cutesy.  (A minor complaint at best.)

On Jan 6, 11:49 am, Bill Carter billcar...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Jan 5, 12:12 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

  On 1/4/12, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote:
   Ride the Romulus as the classic road bike it is.

 This may be just a question of semantics, but I have always thought of
 the Ramboulliet/Romulus as a type of sports tourer bike.  Keep in mind
 I have never owned or ridden a Ram, but I do own a Heron Road I have
 ridden for years and more recently acquired a Waterford 1250, both of
 which are generally similar bikes to the Ram/Rom in my mind, and the
 type of bike I prefer for my on-road recreational use.  (I'm not going
 anywhere too fast anyhow, so I might as well be more comfortable.)  I
 run 28s without fenders on both bikes, but I may give 32s a try next
 time tires are needed.  I am not trying to be argumentative, just
 would like some clarification on the terminology from some of you more
 knowledgeable folks.  Is a classic road bike close to the same
 thing, or is sports tourer or light touring bike just some
 marketing mumbo jumbo?

 PS - I would love it if Grant/Riv would paint some Rodeo frames in the
 original Ram orange and badge and decal them as
 Ramboulliet 2s.  I'd probably sell every bike I've got to buy one of
 those.

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[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-06 Thread Joe Bernard
In my opinion, a classic road bike has shorter chainstays and lower bars 
(circa the '80s) than a Ram/Rom/AHH. The latter to me is more of a sport 
tourer, which would be a classic road bike stretched a bit, with a higher 
headtube. In my mind, the full-on touring line is drawn at beefier frame 
tubes and cantilever brakes. 

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[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-06 Thread Darin G.
I don't think I'd want to change the brake just to get .2mm of
additional tire under a fender.  This bike already rides nicely. What
I would want to do is squeeze every bit of comfort possible out of it
for long rides without affecting its performance and generally sporty
nature as I bought this precisely because I found my Sam sluggish for
unladen or lightly-laden duty.  I have no desire to turn the Rom into
a Sam and even if I were to hang the Sam's parts on an A.H.H. I would
build it up with an eye towards comfort and carrying saddle bags,
etc.  If I'm limited to a very smooth supple 28 tire on the Rom for
sportier riding that's going to be just fine.

On Jan 6, 10:27 am, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
 In my opinion, a classic road bike has shorter chainstays and lower bars
 (circa the '80s) than a Ram/Rom/AHH. The latter to me is more of a sport
 tourer, which would be a classic road bike stretched a bit, with a higher
 headtube. In my mind, the full-on touring line is drawn at beefier frame
 tubes and cantilever brakes.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-06 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
 I don't think I'd want to change the brake just to get .2mm of
 additional tire under a fender.  This bike already rides nicely. What
 I would want to do is squeeze every bit of comfort possible out of it
 for long rides without affecting its performance and generally sporty
 nature as I bought this precisely because I found my Sam sluggish for
 unladen or lightly-laden duty.  I have no desire to turn the Rom into
 a Sam and even if I were to hang the Sam's parts on an A.H.H. I would
 build it up with an eye towards comfort and carrying saddle bags,
 etc.  If I'm limited to a very smooth supple 28 tire on the Rom for
 sportier riding that's going to be just fine.


Darin,
 1. You can get the cypres under there, no problem. no change in brakes:
 2. As Manny would say:
   Pictures prove it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/skvidal/tags/romulus/

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-06 Thread Darin G.
Hard to argue with, I agree.

I'm going to ride over to my LBS this afternoon--they've got a Rom
with fenders and some GB Cypress tires mounted on wheels and we'll
take a look at it.

D.G.

On Jan 6, 1:40 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
  I don't think I'd want to change the brake just to get .2mm of
  additional tire under a fender.  This bike already rides nicely. What
  I would want to do is squeeze every bit of comfort possible out of it
  for long rides without affecting its performance and generally sporty
  nature as I bought this precisely because I found my Sam sluggish for
  unladen or lightly-laden duty.  I have no desire to turn the Rom into
  a Sam and even if I were to hang the Sam's parts on an A.H.H. I would
  build it up with an eye towards comfort and carrying saddle bags,
  etc.  If I'm limited to a very smooth supple 28 tire on the Rom for
  sportier riding that's going to be just fine.

 Darin,
  1. You can get the cypres under there, no problem. no change in brakes:
  2. As Manny would say:
    Pictures prove it:http://www.flickr.com/photos/skvidal/tags/romulus/

 -sv

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[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-05 Thread Michael Hechmer
I will second both of Etaban's posts.  The Ram/Rom was designed as a road 
bike.  They are great brevit bikes but the design point is definitely 28mm 
 fenders and that is where the bike will give you its best.  I'm sure I 
could run 30s under my Honjo fenders, but don't think 28 to 30 or to drive 
the choice.

michael

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[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-05 Thread Bruce Curry
I have a Ram with 33mm Jack Browns and 45mm VO stainless fenders.  A
bit of a pain on the install (a couple hours on install, some dremel
work and tweaking) but fits well.  I did get the Silver brakes for
additional muscle (rather than room) and this probably makes a
difference.

My $.02 is you can get 32/33 tires under you w/Ram/Rom as long as you
go long reach brakes, are patient and have faith that it will all
work.

Lastly the VO fenders are a great look w/Riv but their stays (at least
w/the single eyelet bolts) rattle like hell out of the box.  I ended
up wrapping the eyelet bolts with the same hemp twine Riv sells for
the handlebar wrap.  This also keeps the fender stable by keeping it
from shifting/twisting as you go over bumps.  Much better results
after this last touch.

Bruce

On Jan 5, 4:38 am, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
 I will second both of Etaban's posts.  The Ram/Rom was designed as a road
 bike.  They are great brevit bikes but the design point is definitely 28mm
  fenders and that is where the bike will give you its best.  I'm sure I
 could run 30s under my Honjo fenders, but don't think 28 to 30 or to drive
 the choice.

 michael

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-05 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've got VO 45 aluminum fenders on my Ram;  I started out w/ 32 Paselas but
 was having rubbing, especially under the fork, switched down to RuffyTuffys
 (28s).

 Through glass cuts in sidewalls, ended up putting a Pasela back on under the
 rear. That's how I'm currently riding, 32 in rear, 28 in front.  It's
 close, but no rubbing.

 I haven't tried SKS fenders, don't know how they'd do differently...


They don't have the extra material on the lip of the fender. so the
place where most of the rubbing occurs for me w/metal fenders doesn't
exist on the plastic fenders.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-05 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote:
 28mm seems to be the practical limit with fenders on the Ram/Rom.



I promise I'm not making it up. :)


   http://www.flickr.com/photos/skvidal/6318127027/


The grand bois cypres.
SKS longboards.

The front rim is a synergy the rear is a salsa delgado cross.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-05 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
 I ran SKS35s with 28 Ruffy Tuffys. There's know way you're gonna get 32s on 
 the front with the stock Shimano brakes.


Are the longboards wider, then? B/c I don't have any problem with the shimanos.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-05 Thread kolbyt
Trying this again because my earlier post didn't seem to go through,
or something...

I too am running GB Cypres on my Rom with VO fenders and it's working
great; highly recommended.

But I'm not sure why Esteban says that the Rom should be ridden as the
classic road bike that it is. His points about other models from the
time doing country bike, big clearance duty makes sense, and frankly I
would love to throw down for an AHH and not fiddle with fitting bigger
tires on the Rom. But if you look at the geometries of those two
bikes, not to mention the certain similarities in the original
literature about them being versatile road-ish bikes (or maybe it's
not a Riv if it can't be described thus), the two don't seem so
different, clearance aside. Am I wrong there? Not to diminish the
centrality of clearance in everyone's thinking here, but if the
difference is between a 35 on the AHH and a 32 on the Rom, does that
warrant a new bike? Or, to reverse the question, what about the AHH
makes it less of a brevet bike than the Rom aside from the fact that
it *can* run bigger tires?

Kolby


On Jan 3, 2:51 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
  I ran SKS35s with 28 Ruffy Tuffys. There's know way you're gonna get 32s on 
  the front with the stock Shimano brakes.

 Are the longboards wider, then? B/c I don't have any problem with the 
 shimanos.

 -sv

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[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-04 Thread Darin G.
The flyer indicates it can take up to a  35 with a fender,...

http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/03.html

Maybe I need to consider a larger fender?

On Jan 3, 1:41 pm, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote:
 28mm seems to be the practical limit with fenders on the Ram/Rom.

 On Jan 3, 11:50 am, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:







  I ran SKS35s with 28 Ruffy Tuffys. There's know way you're gonna get 32s on 
  the front with the stock Shimano brakes.

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[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-04 Thread Esteban
Not with the stock brakes.  Just not gonna happen.  I think the flyer
is overly optimistic.  SKS allow for more wiggle room than metal,
maybe.  But not much

For me, the limitations worked with the design of the bicycle.  While
the Rom/Ram shines with 35s on mixed terrain rides, it was designed
around those middle-reach brakes. It think the bike really shines with
28s.  This was when the Atlantis was the Atlantis, and the Saluki was
pulling country bike duty, and the Rom/Ram were versatileroad
bikes.  This was before all bikes did all things.

So, I'd say if you want fat tires and fenders, spring for an AHH.
Ride the Romulus as the classic road bike it is.

On Jan 4, 8:02 pm, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
 The flyer indicates it can take up to a  35 with a fender,...

 http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/03.html

 Maybe I need to consider a larger fender?

 On Jan 3, 1:41 pm, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote:







  28mm seems to be the practical limit with fenders on the Ram/Rom.

  On Jan 3, 11:50 am, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

   I ran SKS35s with 28 Ruffy Tuffys. There's know way you're gonna get 32s 
   on the front with the stock Shimano brakes.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-04 Thread cyclotourist
On 1/4/12, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Not with the stock brakes.  Just not gonna happen.  I think the flyer
 is overly optimistic.  SKS allow for more wiggle room than metal,
 maybe.  But not much

 For me, the limitations worked with the design of the bicycle.  While
 the Rom/Ram shines with 35s on mixed terrain rides, it was designed
 around those middle-reach brakes. It think the bike really shines with
 28s.  This was when the Atlantis was the Atlantis, and the Saluki was
 pulling country bike duty, and the Rom/Ram were versatileroad
 bikes.  This was before all bikes did all things.

 So, I'd say if you want fat tires and fenders, spring for an AHH.
 Ride the Romulus as the classic road bike it is.

 On Jan 4, 8:02 pm, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
 The flyer indicates it can take up to a  35 with a fender,...

 http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/03.html

 Maybe I need to consider a larger fender?

 On Jan 3, 1:41 pm, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote:







  28mm seems to be the practical limit with fenders on the Ram/Rom.

  On Jan 3, 11:50 am, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

   I ran SKS35s with 28 Ruffy Tuffys. There's know way you're gonna get
   32s on the front with the stock Shimano brakes.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-04 Thread Joe Bernard
I ran 32 Paselas without fenders for some most-excellent trail riding, and 
35s would've worked, too. But not with fenders. You'll inevitably face 
various versions of tire rub, and particle-trapping under the fork. 
 
I did do a bodge of cut SKS fenders over the 32s for a while: fenders in 
front and behind the fork and seatstay bridge, no fender material actually 
under either. It successfully kept some water off bike-and-body, but it 
wasn't pretty. 
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-04 Thread Darin G.
What about the Grand Bois Cerf 28s?  This is my go-fast bike but
I'm thinking of doing my first 200k brevet this spring and think
fenders would be a good idea.  Just curious as to what will be the
best fender/tire combo.  Not looking to turn it into a fat tire
tractor as my Sam takes care of that (although I am coming to view it
as a place to store the parts that I ultimately will put on an AHH--
sigh).

On Jan 4, 9:17 pm, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Not with the stock brakes.  Just not gonna happen.  I think the flyer
 is overly optimistic.  SKS allow for more wiggle room than metal,
 maybe.  But not much

 For me, the limitations worked with the design of the bicycle.  While
 the Rom/Ram shines with 35s on mixed terrain rides, it was designed
 around those middle-reach brakes. It think the bike really shines with
 28s.  This was when the Atlantis was the Atlantis, and the Saluki was
 pulling country bike duty, and the Rom/Ram were versatileroad
 bikes.  This was before all bikes did all things.

 So, I'd say if you want fat tires and fenders, spring for an AHH.
 Ride the Romulus as the classic road bike it is.

 On Jan 4, 8:02 pm, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:







  The flyer indicates it can take up to a  35 with a fender,...

 http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/03.html

  Maybe I need to consider a larger fender?

  On Jan 3, 1:41 pm, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote:

   28mm seems to be the practical limit with fenders on the Ram/Rom.

   On Jan 3, 11:50 am, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

I ran SKS35s with 28 Ruffy Tuffys. There's know way you're gonna get 
32s on the front with the stock Shimano brakes.

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[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-04 Thread Esteban
On a brevet I would choose the Challenge Parigi-Roubaix at 27mm.
Plenty of comfort, and a damn fast tire.  Maybe more quality control
than the GB, although I haven't been paying attention to that
discussion much (or any internet bikeyness for that matter) lately.
Paselas work great, but the 28s can be a bit rigid.  Especially with
TG.  I have 28mm Continental Ultra Sports on my Riv Road and those are
surprisingly comfortable.

I'd go with the Challenges, though.  Those with the 45mm Honjos would
give you plenty of clearance (I would guess), functionality, and
style.

Good luck on the randonee!

On Jan 4, 9:45 pm, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
 What about the Grand Bois Cerf 28s?  This is my go-fast bike but
 I'm thinking of doing my first 200k brevet this spring and think
 fenders would be a good idea.  Just curious as to what will be the
 best fender/tire combo.  Not looking to turn it into a fat tire
 tractor as my Sam takes care of that (although I am coming to view it
 as a place to store the parts that I ultimately will put on an AHH--
 sigh).

 On Jan 4, 9:17 pm, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote:







  Not with the stock brakes.  Just not gonna happen.  I think the flyer
  is overly optimistic.  SKS allow for more wiggle room than metal,
  maybe.  But not much

  For me, the limitations worked with the design of the bicycle.  While
  the Rom/Ram shines with 35s on mixed terrain rides, it was designed
  around those middle-reach brakes. It think the bike really shines with
  28s.  This was when the Atlantis was the Atlantis, and the Saluki was
  pulling country bike duty, and the Rom/Ram were versatileroad
  bikes.  This was before all bikes did all things.

  So, I'd say if you want fat tires and fenders, spring for an AHH.
  Ride the Romulus as the classic road bike it is.

  On Jan 4, 8:02 pm, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:

   The flyer indicates it can take up to a  35 with a fender,...

  http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/03.html

   Maybe I need to consider a larger fender?

   On Jan 3, 1:41 pm, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote:

28mm seems to be the practical limit with fenders on the Ram/Rom.

On Jan 3, 11:50 am, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 I ran SKS35s with 28 Ruffy Tuffys. There's know way you're gonna get 
 32s on the front with the stock Shimano brakes.

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[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-03 Thread Leslie
I've got VO 45 aluminum fenders on my Ram;  I started out w/ 32 Paselas but 
was having rubbing, especially under the fork, switched down to RuffyTuffys 
(28s). 

Through glass cuts in sidewalls, ended up putting a Pasela back on under 
the rear. That's how I'm currently riding, 32 in rear, 28 in front.  
It's close, but no rubbing.

I haven't tried SKS fenders, don't know how they'd do differently...




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[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-03 Thread Joe Bernard
I ran SKS35s with 28 Ruffy Tuffys. There's know way you're gonna get 32s on the 
front with the stock Shimano brakes. 

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[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

2012-01-03 Thread Esteban
28mm seems to be the practical limit with fenders on the Ram/Rom.

On Jan 3, 11:50 am, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
 I ran SKS35s with 28 Ruffy Tuffys. There's know way you're gonna get 32s on 
 the front with the stock Shimano brakes.

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