[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[iamkeith]

Glad to hear you pulled the trigger, after all that.   Congratulations

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 2:51:23 PM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>
> they said its a homer blue and thats what i ordered
>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[iamkeith]

I'm just catching up - but that sounds like what i expected to happen with 
the 59.  Glad I didn't want one, because work would have kept me away at  
the crucial moment - not unlike trying to sign my kids up for after-school 
clubs.   Such a bummer that Grant couldn't get one though.

I'm not sure I've ever understood the chosen allocation of sizes in a given 
order.  Is it an attempt to be equitable to all body types, or do 
manufacturers require minimums in each size, whether you want them or not?  
It's not just Rivendell or even bikes, for that matter.   Ask any man with 
a 10 1/2 size shoe.

For those of you who might have missed out, I wonder if Blue lug would have 
any extras?  A little more shipping  cost, but maybe worth it?

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:53:20 PM UTC-7, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
> I'm too tall for 'em but just wanted to see additional pics and the 59cm 
> showed sold out only about 5 mins past the hour.
>
> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:09:26 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> Interesting - there were 5 total did the 59 really go that quick?
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:06:28 PM UTC-5, Clayton.sf wrote:
>>>
>>> Sucks. Had it in the cart and once I hit submit after entering payment 
>>> it said inventory issues. 
>>>
>>> Oh well.
>>>
>>> Clayton Scott
>>> SF, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 11:47:01 AM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:

 well its announced, get your finger ready for the 12pm pst post

 On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:44:50 PM UTC-5, Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>
> Anxiously awaiting any announcement.  Finger exercises and stretching 
> for quick-click reaction time so I can buy one as a LONG awaited 
> replacement for my dearly departed Quickbeam. 
>
> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 10:32:08 AM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> The real question is - will we see more about the Frank today?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[lconley]

57cm Blue, I don't understand the preference for silver, but it worked out 
for me.

Now I need to order some rims to lace to the NOS Campy hubs - definitely 
polished finish on the rims. I also have an NOS Spidel Crankset (French 
Campy copy that is actually nicer - it is finished on the backside of the 
crank arms, just like the front). In fact, think I have everything I need 
except for the rims and handlebars. Not sure about tires yet - likely 38mm 
Compass Barlow Pass Extralight. This is going to be old school, lightweight 
and stripped with dropped bars, but with comfortable tires. Given the low 
BB - this may be the bike for my Lyotard Marcel Berthet platform pedals.

Laing

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Belopsky]

they said its a homer blue and thats what i ordered

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 4:03:53 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> The blue is pretty. It reminds me of the old Ram color, although I think 
> it's an old Hilsen hue. Alas, I'm all full up on on bikes with my 2-speed 
> Cheviot and Bike Friday cargo bikes on the way. Enjoy, Jonesers!

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Joe Bernard]

The blue is pretty. It reminds me of the old Ram color, although I think it's 
an old Hilsen hue. Alas, I'm all full up on on bikes with my 2-speed Cheviot 
and Bike Friday cargo bikes on the way. Enjoy, Jonesers!

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Brewster Fong]

On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 4:13:36 PM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote:
>
>
> >"But with long (and slanted!) track ends, why not fixed? What am I 
> missing?"
>
> I had to read it a couple of times to understand, not being a fixed gear 
> rider.  Basically, he's saying there's too much chance of pedal strikes 
> with such a low bottom bracket.  Think corners without the ability to keep 
> your inside pedal elevated
>

Thanks. When I saw the name JONES, I thought this thread was about a Jones 
Bike, like those built by JEFF Jones.  I didn't know or realized that Riv 
is coming out with a "Jones" bike of their own. 

Good to know. So is it going to be lugged or is Riv going tig-welded like 
what they seem to be headed.

Good Luck!

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I'm too tall for 'em but just wanted to see additional pics and the 59cm 
showed sold out only about 5 mins past the hour.

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:09:26 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Interesting - there were 5 total did the 59 really go that quick?
>
> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:06:28 PM UTC-5, Clayton.sf wrote:
>>
>> Sucks. Had it in the cart and once I hit submit after entering payment it 
>> said inventory issues. 
>>
>> Oh well.
>>
>> Clayton Scott
>> SF, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 11:47:01 AM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>>>
>>> well its announced, get your finger ready for the 12pm pst post
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:44:50 PM UTC-5, Ken Yokanovich wrote:

 Anxiously awaiting any announcement.  Finger exercises and stretching 
 for quick-click reaction time so I can buy one as a LONG awaited 
 replacement for my dearly departed Quickbeam. 

 On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 10:32:08 AM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote:
>
> The real question is - will we see more about the Frank today?
>


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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Belopsky]

they said, absolutely, positively, there will not be another run.
This was at least 1 year in the making and Blue Lug for 2/3s of them

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Jeremy Tavan]

I had my LBS order a 55, but I think I was too late to get the silver one 
(my preference). That was fast. Oh well, the blue looks nice, too.

Now here's the fun question - do I build it up as a single speed or a 
3-speed IGH? 

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 12:05:07 PM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Well, I ordered the 53.
>
> I was hoping to see geometry for the 55 but I think the 53 is right.
>

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[tc]

Maybe they'll do another run.  I wonder how many to make it worthwhile?  

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:06:28 PM UTC-5, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> Sucks. Had it in the cart and once I hit submit after entering payment it 
> said inventory issues. 
>
> Oh well.
>
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
>
>


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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Belopsky]

Interesting - there were 5 total did the 59 really go that quick?

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:06:28 PM UTC-5, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> Sucks. Had it in the cart and once I hit submit after entering payment it 
> said inventory issues. 
>
> Oh well.
>
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
>
> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 11:47:01 AM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> well its announced, get your finger ready for the 12pm pst post
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:44:50 PM UTC-5, Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>>>
>>> Anxiously awaiting any announcement.  Finger exercises and stretching 
>>> for quick-click reaction time so I can buy one as a LONG awaited 
>>> replacement for my dearly departed Quickbeam. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 10:32:08 AM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote:

 The real question is - will we see more about the Frank today?

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Clayton.sf]

Sucks. Had it in the cart and once I hit submit after entering payment it 
said inventory issues. 

Oh well.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 11:47:01 AM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>
> well its announced, get your finger ready for the 12pm pst post
>
> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:44:50 PM UTC-5, Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>>
>> Anxiously awaiting any announcement.  Finger exercises and stretching for 
>> quick-click reaction time so I can buy one as a LONG awaited replacement 
>> for my dearly departed Quickbeam. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 10:32:08 AM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote:
>>>
>>> The real question is - will we see more about the Frank today?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Belopsky]

Well, I ordered the 53.

I was hoping to see geometry for the 55 but I think the 53 is right.

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Belopsky]

well its announced, get your finger ready for the 12pm pst post

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:44:50 PM UTC-5, Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>
> Anxiously awaiting any announcement.  Finger exercises and stretching for 
> quick-click reaction time so I can buy one as a LONG awaited replacement 
> for my dearly departed Quickbeam. 
>
> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 10:32:08 AM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> The real question is - will we see more about the Frank today?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Ken Yokanovich]

Anxiously awaiting any announcement.  Finger exercises and stretching for 
quick-click reaction time so I can buy one as a LONG awaited replacement 
for my dearly departed Quickbeam. 

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 10:32:08 AM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote:
>
> The real question is - will we see more about the Frank today?
>

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Belopsky]

The real question is - will we see more about the Frank today?

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Frankly, Jay, Ones enough. Okay, I'm (d)one.

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 8:15:44 AM UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Not completely random. It has a hidden message: Frank J(ones).  Frank J. 
> Ones. One's enough. One speed. Okay, maybe a stretch. I should go do some 
> bike maintenance.
>
> On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 10:03:53 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I love that the Blue Lug people were like, "Yeah, we'll take the random 
>> American name, let's go with that."
>
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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Not completely random. It has a hidden message: Frank J(ones).  Frank J. 
Ones. One's enough. One speed. Okay, maybe a stretch. I should go do some 
bike maintenance.

On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 10:03:53 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I love that the Blue Lug people were like, "Yeah, we'll take the random 
> American name, let's go with that."

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Re: [RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Joe Bernard]

That's ok, I meant Igor. We ride the same size bikes and he's always selling 
one 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[John G.]

Hey now—I hold on to my Rivs! Just having a bit of holiday impulse control...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, get that one. I'll buy it from you in a few months!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[John G.]

79.5 max saddle height? I think I can make that work!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Belopsky]

ooh a geometry of the 53. 
Given the 553 top tube I think that's the ticket...83 PBH is I.
Will have a tad bit seatpost showing than my Gunnar probably (~1cm more 
maybe)

My wallet's ready. Lets get i

Curious to see what build kits you guys think of Grant!


On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 4:22:27 PM UTC-5, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> Back from my short playdate...
> Going out again soon, but thanks for the correction on the PBH which 
> should've been SH, or the other way around. It's fixed now.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks for this. What is the sta -- does anyone know? It looks like a 57 
>> would be nice ...
>>
>> PAM
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 7:51 AM, Belopsky > > wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like there are more numbers now:
>>> /quote
>>>
>>> Frame sizeTTcm  conservative PBH range
>>>
>>> 48.5   53.564.5-67
>>>
>>> 51.5   54.4 !  66.5-69.2
>>>
>>> 53  55.3 !  68.5 - 72
>>>
>>> 55  56.270.5 - 73.5
>>>
>>> 57   57.572.5 - 75.5
>>>
>>> 59   58.174.5 - 79.5
>>>
>>> These recommendations are rough, loose, and assume a Nitto stem with at 
>>> least a 190mm quill. We now stock the Tallux with 225mm, which is probably 
>>> too long for the 53cm and smaller. With the Tallux on the smaller bikes, 
>>> you won't be able to get it even level with the saddle. I'm not 
>>> computer-modeling any of this, sorry, but it's pretty close to right.
>>>
>>>
>>> /end quote
>>>
>>> I assume that by PBH he means seat height?
>>> The 53 is looking mighty good, but the 55 may work as well. 
>>>
>>> How does Rivendell typically 'measure' their frame size? Is it bb center 
>>> to [theoretical] top?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Grant Petersen]

Back from my short playdate...
Going out again soon, but thanks for the correction on the PBH which
should've been SH, or the other way around. It's fixed now.



On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks for this. What is the sta -- does anyone know? It looks like a 57
> would be nice ...
>
> PAM
>
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 7:51 AM, Belopsky 
> wrote:
>
>> Looks like there are more numbers now:
>> /quote
>>
>> Frame sizeTTcm  conservative PBH range
>>
>> 48.5   53.564.5-67
>>
>> 51.5   54.4 !  66.5-69.2
>>
>> 53  55.3 !  68.5 - 72
>>
>> 55  56.270.5 - 73.5
>>
>> 57   57.572.5 - 75.5
>>
>> 59   58.174.5 - 79.5
>>
>> These recommendations are rough, loose, and assume a Nitto stem with at
>> least a 190mm quill. We now stock the Tallux with 225mm, which is probably
>> too long for the 53cm and smaller. With the Tallux on the smaller bikes,
>> you won't be able to get it even level with the saddle. I'm not
>> computer-modeling any of this, sorry, but it's pretty close to right.
>>
>>
>> /end quote
>>
>> I assume that by PBH he means seat height?
>> The 53 is looking mighty good, but the 55 may work as well.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for this. What is the sta -- does anyone know? It looks like a 57
would be nice ...

PAM

On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 7:51 AM, Belopsky  wrote:

> Looks like there are more numbers now:
> /quote
>
> Frame sizeTTcm  conservative PBH range
>
> 48.5   53.564.5-67
>
> 51.5   54.4 !  66.5-69.2
>
> 53  55.3 !  68.5 - 72
>
> 55  56.270.5 - 73.5
>
> 57   57.572.5 - 75.5
>
> 59   58.174.5 - 79.5
>
> These recommendations are rough, loose, and assume a Nitto stem with at
> least a 190mm quill. We now stock the Tallux with 225mm, which is probably
> too long for the 53cm and smaller. With the Tallux on the smaller bikes,
> you won't be able to get it even level with the saddle. I'm not
> computer-modeling any of this, sorry, but it's pretty close to right.
>
>
> /end quote
>
> I assume that by PBH he means seat height?
> The 53 is looking mighty good, but the 55 may work as well.
>
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> to [theoretical] top?
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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Clayton.sf]

dibs on a 59!

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Dave Small]

Yes, it has to be saddle height.  

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> I assume that by PBH he means seat height?
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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Grant @ Rivendell]

You can ride fixed, but since there's no coasting you have to be careful 
about clipping pedals. With a 75 drop (track bikes have 60, commonly) and a 
wider-than track cranky (presumably) there's more risk. That is hugely 
abated by the larger tires--which more than makes up for the increased 
drop. But as a maker - designer, I am always concerned about somebody 
putting on a high Q factor crank, 700x22;s, wide pedals, and pedaling while 
leaning over speed bumps. Then that person crashes, blames us, we get sued, 
party's over.

If all that makes sense and you still wanna ride fixed, it'll be a better 
fixie ride than a normal fixie bke, I'm pretty sure!

53cm has 54.4 top tube, by memory. I don't want to re-look it up now. 
Friend's on his way, we're going out to play. (And I hope my dissing of the 
importance of the length of a top tube without regarding the other 
variables that affect how much you have to bend and reach... is legendary!)


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>
> Queries: 
> it’s for single-speed freewheels, not fixed gear bikes. 
>
> But with long (and slanted!) track ends, why not fixed? What am I missing?
>
> 6 or 8 tooth accommodation; that's enough to give you quite a range, from 
> 16 t to 21 t easily; with a 42 t ring, 72" to 55", 16 t one one side, 17/20 
> or 21 t cogs on the other.
>
> the top tubes for the 48.5, 51.5 53, 55, 57, and 59 are 53.5, 54.4, 56.2, 
> 57.5, and 58.
>
> There seems to be a tt length missing: can anyone supply it?
>
> It sounds very nice and I am tempted, but ... but... shouldn't ... 
> shouldn't ...
>
> But wouldn't it be nice with some light wheels and a pair of Barlow Pass 
> extralights?
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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Belopsky]

Looks like there are more numbers now:
/quote

Frame sizeTTcm  conservative PBH range

48.5   53.564.5-67

51.5   54.4 !  66.5-69.2

53  55.3 !  68.5 - 72

55  56.270.5 - 73.5

57   57.572.5 - 75.5

59   58.174.5 - 79.5

These recommendations are rough, loose, and assume a Nitto stem with at 
least a 190mm quill. We now stock the Tallux with 225mm, which is probably 
too long for the 53cm and smaller. With the Tallux on the smaller bikes, 
you won't be able to get it even level with the saddle. I'm not 
computer-modeling any of this, sorry, but it's pretty close to right.


/end quote

I assume that by PBH he means seat height?
The 53 is looking mighty good, but the 55 may work as well. 

How does Rivendell typically 'measure' their frame size? Is it bb center to 
[theoretical] top?

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Bill Lindsay]

Probably buy both another custom as well as a Senor Frank Jones, if history 
has taught us more than aught.  

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> Monday or Tuesday we should have geometry/ordering info.
> With shipping it costs more than I can get a custom for..what is a boy to 
> do?
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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Belopsky]

Monday or Tuesday we should have geometry/ordering info.
With shipping it costs more than I can get a custom for..what is a boy to 
do?

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