[RBW] Re: Friend of Rivendell Maynard Hershon in LA Times
I contemplated a Tucson trip for this winter, but Maynard's negative impressions swayed me in another direction. Now that I've heard a more positive perspective, Tucson is back on my mind. Also, I have no fear of death, which helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/11yER3DclnUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Friend of Rivendell Maynard Hershon in LA Times
I rode through Clear Lake this year and had numerous people shout indecipherable babble out the window, presumably yelling at me to get my bike off the road or some other drivel. The closest I came to a physical threat was when someone threw a half eaten sandwich at me (other riders have had beer bottles thrown at them). Luckily no life-threating aggression with their motor vehicles. Toshi On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Joe yeah, that happened to me in Clear Lake a few years ago, too Bernard Vallejo, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Friend of Rivendell Maynard Hershon in LA Times
Clear Lake consists mainly of drunk people in pickup trucks, especially since the recession. Stay away. Joe On Thursday, November 8, 2012 10:52:29 AM UTC-8, ttoshi wrote: I rode through Clear Lake this year and had numerous people shout indecipherable babble out the window, presumably yelling at me to get my bike off the road or some other drivel. The closest I came to a physical threat was when someone threw a half eaten sandwich at me (other riders have had beer bottles thrown at them). Luckily no life-threating aggression with their motor vehicles. Toshi On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: [...] Joe yeah, that happened to me in Clear Lake a few years ago, too Bernard Vallejo, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/c-_g0GqdSOUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Friend of Rivendell Maynard Hershon in LA Times
I did get a couple thumbs up and encouraging waves while I rode through that area, but the obscenity to friendly wave ratio was probably 5:1 :(. Toshi On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: Clear Lake consists mainly of drunk people in pickup trucks, especially since the recession. Stay away. Joe On Thursday, November 8, 2012 10:52:29 AM UTC-8, ttoshi wrote: I rode through Clear Lake this year and had numerous people shout indecipherable babble out the window, presumably yelling at me to get my bike off the road or some other drivel. The closest I came to a physical threat was when someone threw a half eaten sandwich at me (other riders have had beer bottles thrown at them). Luckily no life-threating aggression with their motor vehicles. Toshi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friend of Rivendell Maynard Hershon in LA Times
In my experience the roughest time is right about now. Angst is high with El Tour de Tucson and then you have the snowbirds. If you are biking outside of the city it isn't so bad though. Lots of folks stop riding once the winter monsoons happen. I lived in Tucson when Maynard's anti-Tucson article came out and the city was not as bad as he was making it out to be. I'm not saying there never was a time when someone didn't get angry at me when I biked around just not as crazy as Maynard's experiences. Stephen On Thursday, November 8, 2012 10:10:17 AM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I contemplated a Tucson trip for this winter, but Maynard's negative impressions swayed me in another direction. Now that I've heard a more positive perspective, Tucson is back on my mind. Also, I have no fear of death, which helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/F7D7VTu4bVEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friend of Rivendell Maynard Hershon in LA Times
The most intense level of bicycling activity in Tucson declines considerably after the El Tour de Tucson (always on the Saturday before Thanksgiving). Many of the snowbirds are themselves cyclists and they're active right up until they return to their home roosts around late April! One of the better books, recently published, that shows some of the routes in the immediate Tucson area is Desert Journeys, written by Jerry Rosen (published by the author - http://www.jrphoto.org/journeys.htm ). It's nicely illustrated with photographs on a glossy stock paper. The most active local cycling club (for non-racers) is GABA ( http://www.bikegaba.org/ ) they have a variety of rides in the area, including some with support. One of my favorite day rides is from Amado (south of Green Valley) to Arivaca. A ride that includes some climbs and roller coasters and ends up in Arivaca, where there is a small market and some decent restaurants. Return is back to Amado (46 miles total with the opportunity for some side rides in the area). I first heard about this ride from Colin Laing, the British custom framebuilder (now retired) who had apprenticed with the Taylor Brothers. He once had a shop in Tucson and built a triplet for my family with a kiddie-crank conversion in the center position. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Nov 8, 8:46 pm, Stephen S elphk...@gmail.com wrote: In my experience the roughest time is right about now. Angst is high with El Tour de Tucson and then you have the snowbirds. If you are biking outside of the city it isn't so bad though. Lots of folks stop riding once the winter monsoons happen. I lived in Tucson when Maynard's anti-Tucson article came out and the city was not as bad as he was making it out to be. I'm not saying there never was a time when someone didn't get angry at me when I biked around just not as crazy as Maynard's experiences. Stephen On Thursday, November 8, 2012 10:10:17 AM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I contemplated a Tucson trip for this winter, but Maynard's negative impressions swayed me in another direction. Now that I've heard a more positive perspective, Tucson is back on my mind. Also, I have no fear of death, which helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friend of Rivendell Maynard Hershon in LA Times
Maynard Hershon used to write for Winning magazine and later Velo News. A compilation of his articles appeared in his books *Tales from the Bike Shop* and *Half Wheel Hell and Other Cycling Stories*. Well written. Stories about the bicycle racing scene in the 70's and 80's and the support young racers received from older bike shop owners. I recommend them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/lalVP-mWa8UJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friend of Rivendell Maynard Hershon in LA Times
He's well known in motorcycle circles, too; wrote for a free monthly motorcycle paper, City Bike, out of San Francisco for many years (I haven't seen one in a while). He has a downbeat style of writing that fit the paper well, but seemed a little off in the Readers. His last couple Reader pieces about aging, and aggressive drivers, were more down than most. It was clear that several forces coalesced at the same time in Tucson to create a less than lovely moment in his life. Joe yeah, that happened to me in Clear Lake a few years ago, too Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 5:57:03 PM UTC-8, MKahrl wrote: Maynard Hershon used to write for Winning magazine and later Velo News. A compilation of his articles appeared in his books *Tales from the Bike Shop* and *Half Wheel Hell and Other Cycling Stories*. Well written. Stories about the bicycle racing scene in the 70's and 80's and the support young racers received from older bike shop owners. I recommend them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/XuKkEpU9utYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friend of Rivendell Maynard Hershon in LA Times
I was actually a little surprised that Grant published the article in the Rivendell Reader. There are a number of Rivendell owners in Tucson. Several of us even got together on one occasion to display our Rivendells and distribute Rivendell catalogs during a GABA (Greater Arizona Bicycling Association) swap meet a number of years ago (Greg Yares, who coordinates the swap meet, pulled us together) I guess Maynard is a FOG (Friend of Grant) with certain prerogatives... Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Nov 5, 7:53 pm, Christopher Murray chrispmurra...@gmail.com wrote: I lived in Tucson and I would say that it is one of the best places to ride in the country. I have lived in NH, MA, CA, OR, and WA and the drivers were no better and worse in most cases than in Tucson. The fact is cyclists have issues with cars in every big city. Maynard is semi-famous so his voice got heard and published. I actually wrote to Grant after MH wrote those things about Tucson to say that it seemed totally unfair to Tucson without printing a pro-Tucson piece too. Obviously that did not happen. Even now after moving away from Tucson I still feel like what MH wrote and GP published was unfair and not right. I actually met MH just before he moved and thought he was very nice. It turns out we have mutual friends. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Friend of Rivendell Maynard Hershon in LA Times
I remember the Maynard article, but I thought it showed more about Maynard's known grumpiness than it did about Tucson. I never feared riding a bike in Tucson because of the article. jim m wc ca On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I was actually a little surprised that Grant published the article in the Rivendell Reader. There are a number of Rivendell owners in Tucson. Several of us even got together on one occasion to display our Rivendells and distribute Rivendell catalogs during a GABA (Greater Arizona Bicycling Association) swap meet a number of years ago (Greg Yares, who coordinates the swap meet, pulled us together) I guess Maynard is a FOG (Friend of Grant) with certain prerogatives... Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Nov 5, 7:53 pm, Christopher Murray chrispmurra...@gmail.com wrote: I lived in Tucson and I would say that it is one of the best places to ride in the country. I have lived in NH, MA, CA, OR, and WA and the drivers were no better and worse in most cases than in Tucson. The fact is cyclists have issues with cars in every big city. Maynard is semi-famous so his voice got heard and published. I actually wrote to Grant after MH wrote those things about Tucson to say that it seemed totally unfair to Tucson without printing a pro-Tucson piece too. Obviously that did not happen. Even now after moving away from Tucson I still feel like what MH wrote and GP published was unfair and not right. I actually met MH just before he moved and thought he was very nice. It turns out we have mutual friends. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Friend of Rivendell Maynard Hershon in LA Times
There was considerable flak somewhere (boblist? thislist?) about what many people seemed to see as MH's misanthropy; and wasn't that essay his last in the RR? At any rate, to my eyes, from the half dozen or so pieces of his that I've read, he does seem touchy. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Jim Mather mather...@gmail.com wrote: I remember the Maynard article, but I thought it showed more about Maynard's known grumpiness than it did about Tucson. I never feared riding a bike in Tucson because of the article. jim m wc ca On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I was actually a little surprised that Grant published the article in the Rivendell Reader. There are a number of Rivendell owners in Tucson. Several of us even got together on one occasion to display our Rivendells and distribute Rivendell catalogs during a GABA (Greater Arizona Bicycling Association) swap meet a number of years ago (Greg Yares, who coordinates the swap meet, pulled us together) I guess Maynard is a FOG (Friend of Grant) with certain prerogatives... Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Nov 5, 7:53 pm, Christopher Murray chrispmurra...@gmail.com wrote: I lived in Tucson and I would say that it is one of the best places to ride in the country. I have lived in NH, MA, CA, OR, and WA and the drivers were no better and worse in most cases than in Tucson. The fact is cyclists have issues with cars in every big city. Maynard is semi-famous so his voice got heard and published. I actually wrote to Grant after MH wrote those things about Tucson to say that it seemed totally unfair to Tucson without printing a pro-Tucson piece too. Obviously that did not happen. Even now after moving away from Tucson I still feel like what MH wrote and GP published was unfair and not right. I actually met MH just before he moved and thought he was very nice. It turns out we have mutual friends. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Friend of Rivendell Maynard Hershon in LA Times
I read some of MH's stuff in the Riv Reader years ago and couldn't understand why it was ever published by Grant. It was sour, negative, even mean. He came off as a cranky, bitchy old man. I remember reading one Reader with a very inspiring article about an amputee who was getting back on his bike and I found this to be a very heartwarming, inspirational story. Then I came to MH's piece and I went looking for eyewash. I wrote GP to inquire why he even considered printing this dark prose but he never responded. Since then I have refused to read any of his stuff because it is so down and depressing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/omVD7wm-BFkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friend of Rivendell Maynard Hershon in LA Times
Plus, he was hit on his motorcycle there. On Nov 4, 10:34 pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: Since you haven't lived in Tucson, I don't think you should judge what our conditions are regarding cycling. I've lived here since 1978, Tucson is definitely a very good place for cycling (I've also lived in Boulder, CO, by the way). Tucson is rated a Gold status as a Bicycle Friendly City by the League of American Bicyclists. If you happen to know any city in the U.S., of a size approximate to Tucson (roughly 1,000,000) with drivers who never behave in an aggressive or discourteous manner to cyclists, please let me know where that city is located. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Nov 4, 4:37 pm, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: He dissed the place for multiple run-ins with maniac drivers. I'd be pissed, too. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Sunday, November 4, 2012 1:02:30 PM UTC-8, Jim Cloud wrote: It's 15.2 miles from Denver to Golden, not so many mile-high miles. Maynard Hershon once lived in Tucson, until he dissed the place and moved on. He hasn't been missed here to my knowledge... Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Nov 4, 11:26 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-upended-campaign... Third to last paragraph. Sounds like he's putting in some mile-high miles! -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friend of Rivendell Maynard Hershon in LA Times
On Sunday, November 4, 2012 3:37:43 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote: He dissed the place for multiple run-ins with maniac drivers. I'd be pissed, too. Yeah, I recall he was almost run off the road by a driver. Then he chased/follow him and when he confronted the driver, the guy basically threatened to kill his butt and MH freaked out. After that, he supposedly went into some sort of depression and couldn't/wouldn't ride until he fled to Denver or whereever else he went. Never understood why he decided to challenge the guyGood Luck! Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Sunday, November 4, 2012 1:02:30 PM UTC-8, Jim Cloud wrote: It's 15.2 miles from Denver to Golden, not so many mile-high miles. Maynard Hershon once lived in Tucson, until he dissed the place and moved on. He hasn't been missed here to my knowledge... Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Nov 4, 11:26 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-upended-campaign... Third to last paragraph. Sounds like he's putting in some mile-high miles! -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/G2Ux1B8SkSMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Friend of Rivendell Maynard Hershon in LA Times
I honestly have no idea who this guy is (dont hate me) but if I stopped riding because someone tried to run me over and/or threatened me I doubt I would ride at all here in NYC. Its all part of the experience, so to speak, hahaha. On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Brewster Fong bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, November 4, 2012 3:37:43 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote: He dissed the place for multiple run-ins with maniac drivers. I'd be pissed, too. Yeah, I recall he was almost run off the road by a driver. Then he chased/follow him and when he confronted the driver, the guy basically threatened to kill his butt and MH freaked out. After that, he supposedly went into some sort of depression and couldn't/wouldn't ride until he fled to Denver or whereever else he went. Never understood why he decided to challenge the guyGood Luck! Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Sunday, November 4, 2012 1:02:30 PM UTC-8, Jim Cloud wrote: It's 15.2 miles from Denver to Golden, not so many mile-high miles. Maynard Hershon once lived in Tucson, until he dissed the place and moved on. He hasn't been missed here to my knowledge... Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Nov 4, 11:26 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/**nationworld/nation/la-na-** upended-campaign.http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-upended-campaign... Third to last paragraph. Sounds like he's putting in some mile-high miles! -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/G2Ux1B8SkSMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friend of Rivendell Maynard Hershon in LA Times
I made no such judgment. I reported why Maynard wasn't happy riding there. Joe Bernard On Sunday, November 4, 2012 10:34:48 PM UTC-8, Jim Cloud wrote: Since you haven't lived in Tucson, I don't think you should judge what our conditions are regarding cycling. I've lived here since 1978, Tucson is definitely a very good place for cycling (I've also lived in Boulder, CO, by the way). Tucson is rated a Gold status as a Bicycle Friendly City by the League of American Bicyclists. If you happen to know any city in the U.S., of a size approximate to Tucson (roughly 1,000,000) with drivers who never behave in an aggressive or discourteous manner to cyclists, please let me know where that city is located. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Nov 4, 4:37 pm, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: He dissed the place for multiple run-ins with maniac drivers. I'd be pissed, too. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Sunday, November 4, 2012 1:02:30 PM UTC-8, Jim Cloud wrote: It's 15.2 miles from Denver to Golden, not so many mile-high miles. Maynard Hershon once lived in Tucson, until he dissed the place and moved on. He hasn't been missed here to my knowledge... Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Nov 4, 11:26 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-upended-campaign... Third to last paragraph. Sounds like he's putting in some mile-high miles! -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/5ACGop_ZJ7MJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friend of Rivendell Maynard Hershon in LA Times
I lived in Tucson and I would say that it is one of the best places to ride in the country. I have lived in NH, MA, CA, OR, and WA and the drivers were no better and worse in most cases than in Tucson. The fact is cyclists have issues with cars in every big city. Maynard is semi-famous so his voice got heard and published. I actually wrote to Grant after MH wrote those things about Tucson to say that it seemed totally unfair to Tucson without printing a pro-Tucson piece too. Obviously that did not happen. Even now after moving away from Tucson I still feel like what MH wrote and GP published was unfair and not right. I actually met MH just before he moved and thought he was very nice. It turns out we have mutual friends. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ufstj0_n96sJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friend of Rivendell Maynard Hershon in LA Times
It's 15.2 miles from Denver to Golden, not so many mile-high miles. Maynard Hershon once lived in Tucson, until he dissed the place and moved on. He hasn't been missed here to my knowledge... Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Nov 4, 11:26 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-upended-campaign... Third to last paragraph. Sounds like he's putting in some mile-high miles! -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Friend of Rivendell Maynard Hershon in LA Times
Well, they're still mile-high! On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: It's 15.2 miles from Denver to Golden, not so many mile-high miles. Maynard Hershon once lived in Tucson, until he dissed the place and moved on. He hasn't been missed here to my knowledge... Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Nov 4, 11:26 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-upended-campaign... Third to last paragraph. Sounds like he's putting in some mile-high miles! -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friend of Rivendell Maynard Hershon in LA Times
He dissed the place for multiple run-ins with maniac drivers. I'd be pissed, too. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Sunday, November 4, 2012 1:02:30 PM UTC-8, Jim Cloud wrote: It's 15.2 miles from Denver to Golden, not so many mile-high miles. Maynard Hershon once lived in Tucson, until he dissed the place and moved on. He hasn't been missed here to my knowledge... Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Nov 4, 11:26 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-upended-campaign... Third to last paragraph. Sounds like he's putting in some mile-high miles! -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/JKqeDmT0qT0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friend of Rivendell Maynard Hershon in LA Times
Since you haven't lived in Tucson, I don't think you should judge what our conditions are regarding cycling. I've lived here since 1978, Tucson is definitely a very good place for cycling (I've also lived in Boulder, CO, by the way). Tucson is rated a Gold status as a Bicycle Friendly City by the League of American Bicyclists. If you happen to know any city in the U.S., of a size approximate to Tucson (roughly 1,000,000) with drivers who never behave in an aggressive or discourteous manner to cyclists, please let me know where that city is located. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Nov 4, 4:37 pm, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: He dissed the place for multiple run-ins with maniac drivers. I'd be pissed, too. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Sunday, November 4, 2012 1:02:30 PM UTC-8, Jim Cloud wrote: It's 15.2 miles from Denver to Golden, not so many mile-high miles. Maynard Hershon once lived in Tucson, until he dissed the place and moved on. He hasn't been missed here to my knowledge... Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Nov 4, 11:26 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-upended-campaign... Third to last paragraph. Sounds like he's putting in some mile-high miles! -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
