Re: [RBW] Re: Frozen, then sloppy, spring ramble
On 03/27/2014 10:00 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: The coldest I've ever been was on a canoe trip in June. 40˚F, raining day and night, and I was in the river for a few hours try to free the other couple's canoe wrapped around a rock. I gave them my clothing since theirs was lost to the river. I don't recommend stage two hypothermia without a fire or half the sleeping bags you need. Wet and near freezing is as dangerous as it gets, if not more so because most people think it's not freezing, forgetting how much heat moisture sucks out of our wanna be carcasses. You mean, after all that they didn't offer to warm you up with the everyone gets naked in a pile of puppies first aid treatment that is recommended in Army first aid for that condition? Shame on them! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Frozen, then sloppy, spring ramble
Nope. My wife reminded me that we gave them both our sleeping bags, which zip together. My wife and I huddled with our dog in our tent in what clothes we kept for ourselves. It wasn't the best night we've had together but we did live to tell the tale. Grin. These are the kinds of people for whom liability waivers were invented. But they're family, so whatchagonnado? Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, March 28, 2014 6:30:27 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 03/27/2014 10:00 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: The coldest I've ever been was on a canoe trip in June. 40˚F, raining day and night, and I was in the river for a few hours try to free the other couple's canoe wrapped around a rock. I gave them my clothing since theirs was lost to the river. I don't recommend stage two hypothermia without a fire or half the sleeping bags you need. Wet and near freezing is as dangerous as it gets, if not more so because most people think it's not freezing, forgetting how much heat moisture sucks out of our wanna be carcasses. You mean, after all that they didn't offer to warm you up with the everyone gets naked in a pile of puppies first aid treatment that is recommended in Army first aid for that condition? Shame on them! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Frozen, then sloppy, spring ramble
Joe, the concept is that mass increases faster than surface area, so two people sharing body warmth wrapped in a blanket are going to be warmer than 1, 4 warmer than two. Though, ideally they don't all have hypothermia. But yeah, the California hot tub would help prevent or recover from hypothermia (though it might send the body into shock for having too much heat). With abandon, Patrick On Friday, March 28, 2014 8:38:31 AM UTC-6, Joe Hogg wrote: On 03/28/2014 05:30 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 03/27/2014 10:00 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: The coldest I've ever been was on a canoe trip in June. 40˚F, raining day and night, and I was in the river for a few hours try to free the other couple's canoe wrapped around a rock. I gave them my clothing since theirs was lost to the river. I don't recommend stage two hypothermia without a fire or half the sleeping bags you need. Wet and near freezing is as dangerous as it gets, if not more so because most people think it's not freezing, forgetting how much heat moisture sucks out of our wanna be carcasses. You mean, after all that they didn't offer to warm you up with the everyone gets naked in a pile of puppies first aid treatment that is recommended in Army first aid for that condition? Shame on them! Steve, I'll check on the Army's first aid remedies. Minus the cold, that sounds like a southern California hot tub in the 1970s. Joe Hogg LA, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Frozen, then sloppy, spring ramble
On 03/28/2014 05:30 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 03/27/2014 10:00 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: The coldest I've ever been was on a canoe trip in June. 40˚F, raining day and night, and I was in the river for a few hours try to free the other couple's canoe wrapped around a rock. I gave them my clothing since theirs was lost to the river. I don't recommend stage two hypothermia without a fire or half the sleeping bags you need. Wet and near freezing is as dangerous as it gets, if not more so because most people think it's not freezing, forgetting how much heat moisture sucks out of our wanna be carcasses. You mean, after all that they didn't offer to warm you up with the everyone gets naked in a pile of puppies first aid treatment that is recommended in Army first aid for that condition? Shame on them! Steve, I'll check on the Army's first aid remedies. Minus the cold, that sounds like a southern California hot tub in the 1970s. Joe Hogg LA, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frozen, then sloppy, spring ramble
Looks like a fun way to learn to ride in snow. Just good old fun. It was 21 degrees in MD this morning and I skipped my weekly training ride. I don't know how you do it, Patrick! Too cold for me! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frozen, then sloppy, spring ramble
You're clearly smarter than me, Michael! I'm dumb enough to believe there's no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothing. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, March 27, 2014 10:25:34 AM UTC-6, Michael wrote: Looks like a fun way to learn to ride in snow. Just good old fun. It was 21 degrees in MD this morning and I skipped my weekly training ride. I don't know how you do it, Patrick! Too cold for me! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frozen, then sloppy, spring ramble
Deacon, I suppose it's just setting your mind for what ever. Great images...love the Hung propped up in the snow, you don't need no stinking kickstand! I'd love to hear that ice song, and for that matter witness the Aurora Borealis, bucket list stuff. I've also become a huge fan of the LCG. Thanks for sharing. ~Hugh On Monday, March 24, 2014 1:27:37 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: It was below 20˚F when I started out, so the snow and ruts on the unimproved road was frozen solid. Freeze/thaw cycle in Spring makes backcountry riding extra adventurous. I tested out the theory that riding faster over crusted snow means you don’t fall through. Worked great, until it didn’t. Crunch! Flip! Plop. Hysterical laughing for way too long. It’s great being a kid! Made the reservoir after some mid-thigh snow pushing. The ice was singing from the heat change in the morning sun. Fantastic deep melodious tones, a lot like whale song. Mesmerizing. Heading back things had warmed up to 40˚F and were fantastically sloppy, muddy, and grand. Had to dodge people out shooting as much as possible (seriously? on Monday morning in spring? Who does that? But they were likely asking the same thing of me). A fantastic way to spend 6 hours! Now to recover from the gunshots sounds and massive construction vehicles blowing air horns. It’s a risky world out there when you don’t have a fully functioning brain! Here’s a few photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157642864727485/ With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frozen, then sloppy, spring ramble
You're right, Hugh, attitude always matters. But the wrong clothes in the wrong conditions will still kill the most determined, uplifting person. I'll take both, please. As one who has nearly lost his nuhnie and other bits a few times, ask me know I know. Grin. The coldest I've ever been was on a canoe trip in June. 40˚F, raining day and night, and I was in the river for a few hours try to free the other couple's canoe wrapped around a rock. I gave them my clothing since theirs was lost to the river. I don't recommend stage two hypothermia without a fire or half the sleeping bags you need. Wet and near freezing is as dangerous as it gets, if not more so because most people think it's not freezing, forgetting how much heat moisture sucks out of our wanna be carcasses. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:45:23 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote: Deacon, I suppose it's just setting your mind for what ever. Great images...love the Hung propped up in the snow, you don't need no stinking kickstand! I'd love to hear that ice song, and for that matter witness the Aurora Borealis, bucket list stuff. I've also become a huge fan of the LCG. Thanks for sharing. ~Hugh On Monday, March 24, 2014 1:27:37 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: It was below 20˚F when I started out, so the snow and ruts on the unimproved road was frozen solid. Freeze/thaw cycle in Spring makes backcountry riding extra adventurous. I tested out the theory that riding faster over crusted snow means you don’t fall through. Worked great, until it didn’t. Crunch! Flip! Plop. Hysterical laughing for way too long. It’s great being a kid! Made the reservoir after some mid-thigh snow pushing. The ice was singing from the heat change in the morning sun. Fantastic deep melodious tones, a lot like whale song. Mesmerizing. Heading back things had warmed up to 40˚F and were fantastically sloppy, muddy, and grand. Had to dodge people out shooting as much as possible (seriously? on Monday morning in spring? Who does that? But they were likely asking the same thing of me). A fantastic way to spend 6 hours! Now to recover from the gunshots sounds and massive construction vehicles blowing air horns. It’s a risky world out there when you don’t have a fully functioning brain! Here’s a few photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157642864727485/ With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frozen, then sloppy, spring ramble
Thanks, guys. A few more details for the snow-curious. The only sounds I've heard snow make are the whmp of the crust collapsing, usually under my weight -- a sound you do not want to hear on a slope barren 30-50˚ because that means you just triggered an avalanche; and the plink plink of a wet snow on my face and/or hood as it falls. Ice sings because of the expansion or compression from heat change and shifting from currents underneath. The bigger the body of water, the more varied the tones. So the change in heat from a rising or setting sun in spring (in fall they wouldn't be frozen) does the trick. I've only heard the singing on lakes frozen edge to edge. There was no gradually getting deeper in the snow when I tried it at speed in the hopes of staying on top. there was a crust of snow (melted and refrozen by the sun/night) on top of 4' - 5' of powder. Once you crunch through the crust (whether walking or riding), you are down a good 2'-3' in the power, with the crust surrounding you. The trail was fascinating in that you could see the power of the sun. Those areas that get full sun had no snow. Those areas that were shaded had 5' of snow, and they were often 10' apart. Made riding a wee be tricky, so there was a lot of LCG (lowest common gear). With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frozen, then sloppy, spring ramble
Patrick, This is my favorite ride report and set of pics to date. There are a lot of wonderful things about living on the coast in California (SF), but no opportunities for riding in hub-deep snow and listening to it sing in the afternoon. Thanks for posting. Michael Allen On Monday, March 24, 2014 1:27:37 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: It was below 20˚F when I started out, so the snow and ruts on the unimproved road was frozen solid. Freeze/thaw cycle in Spring makes backcountry riding extra adventurous. I tested out the theory that riding faster over crusted snow means you don’t fall through. Worked great, until it didn’t. Crunch! Flip! Plop. Hysterical laughing for way too long. It’s great being a kid! Made the reservoir after some mid-thigh snow pushing. The ice was singing from the heat change in the morning sun. Fantastic deep melodious tones, a lot like whale song. Mesmerizing. Heading back things had warmed up to 40˚F and were fantastically sloppy, muddy, and grand. Had to dodge people out shooting as much as possible (seriously? on Monday morning in spring? Who does that? But they were likely asking the same thing of me). A fantastic way to spend 6 hours! Now to recover from the gunshots sounds and massive construction vehicles blowing air horns. It’s a risky world out there when you don’t have a fully functioning brain! Here’s a few photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157642864727485/ With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frozen, then sloppy, spring ramble
Patrick: Thanks for posting. I never knew that snow sang. But like Michael, my experience with snow is limited. Love the photo where you can see the tire rut gradually get deeper until the bike falls over. I could hear your laughter from here when I saw the photo. Looks like loads of fun. dougP On Monday, March 24, 2014 1:27:37 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: It was below 20˚F when I started out, so the snow and ruts on the unimproved road was frozen solid. Freeze/thaw cycle in Spring makes backcountry riding extra adventurous. I tested out the theory that riding faster over crusted snow means you don’t fall through. Worked great, until it didn’t. Crunch! Flip! Plop. Hysterical laughing for way too long. It’s great being a kid! Made the reservoir after some mid-thigh snow pushing. The ice was singing from the heat change in the morning sun. Fantastic deep melodious tones, a lot like whale song. Mesmerizing. Heading back things had warmed up to 40˚F and were fantastically sloppy, muddy, and grand. Had to dodge people out shooting as much as possible (seriously? on Monday morning in spring? Who does that? But they were likely asking the same thing of me). A fantastic way to spend 6 hours! Now to recover from the gunshots sounds and massive construction vehicles blowing air horns. It’s a risky world out there when you don’t have a fully functioning brain! Here’s a few photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157642864727485/ With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
