[RBW] Re: Grant Petersen's views on mountain bike development?
Head angles starting tightning up with the 2nd MTB built, literally. Joe Breeze has stated that Breezer #1 (his personal bike) had a head-tube angle of 67.5 degrees and for Breezers #2-10, he made it 68 degrees. He had really liked a bike with a 70 degree head angle but some other characteristics of the bike didn't suit him so he chose not to use it as the basis for the geometry of his bikes. His second series of bikes also had 68 degree head angles but by 1982 he was building bikes with 70 degree head tubes. I think he was still sticking with longer chainstays though. For those really interested in this stuff, here's a fascinating article: http://www.peterverdone.com/?p=2399 On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 11:13:15 PM UTC-6, Mike Schiller wrote: oh gawd! alba/bosco whatever on an MTB... never in my life ( I hope)! The tighter geometry on MTB's was happening in '87 for sure. I was racing NORBA on a Fisher and it was not slack. https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/16209721716/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/16209721716/ The Bstones were a little steeper HA in the early 90's ( had an MB-2) but not much. Most MTB's transitioned to the NORBA geo of 71/73 angles and shorter chainstays in the late 80's including Bridgestone. ~mike Carlsbad Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Grant Petersen's views on mountain bike development?
Not Boscos (Alba instead) but this MB-3 has evolved some in the last 22 years. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-R9ltgUk-E44/VOP4e1JRHJI/AIk/i0ZQrTYILV0/s1600/MB3_crop%2Bsm.jpg On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 11:35:56 AM UTC-5, Grant Petersen wrote: I've changed my thoughts on handlebar height and toe clips...but I think I'm on more solid ground now. I see that MB-3 in the spread and ... it's begging for Bosco bars, and to be stripped of its toe clips! That was from 24 years ago, I think. I'll stand by the rest of it! G e or a Blug post? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Grant Petersen's views on mountain bike development?
On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 2:31:51 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote: Grant was responsible for the late-80's/early-90's transition to more roadish geometry on the Bridgestone MB's, so I would say he had a particular interest in the subject. It was much lauded by the cycling mags at the time, and quickly copied by *everybody.* I had the very nice opportunity to ride with Chris Chance in Texas in 1984. He had a van with a bunch of bikes, and we did a bunch of riding. I was astonished by how nimble his bikes were, how much they felt like fast road bikes, in contrast to the very long and slack geometry of that period. Rocketships. Perhaps the transition pre-dates Grant's MB's. ~pb -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Grant Petersen's views on mountain bike development?
oh gawd! alba/bosco whatever on an MTB... never in my life ( I hope)! The tighter geometry on MTB's was happening in '87 for sure. I was racing NORBA on a Fisher and it was not slack. https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/16209721716/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/16209721716/ The Bstones were a little steeper HA in the early 90's ( had an MB-2) but not much. Most MTB's transitioned to the NORBA geo of 71/73 angles and shorter chainstays in the late 80's including Bridgestone. ~mike Carlsbad Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen's views on mountain bike development?
I agree with you Grant. I think Bosco bars would be perfect on my 90s mountain bike! And definitely rid of toe clips. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Grant Petersen eatbacondont...@gmail.com wrote: I've changed my thoughts on handlebar height and toe clips...but I think I'm on more solid ground now. I see that MB-3 in the spread and ... it's begging for Bosco bars, and to be stripped of its toe clips! That was from 24 years ago, I think. I'll stand by the rest of it! G On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 7:21:23 AM UTC-8, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: Does anyone recall if Grant has discussed his views on the development of the mountain bike? He was in the Bay area at the time. He was an active cyclist at the time. He wrote a couple of books about places to ride in the Bay area. I'm curious if he was aware of the Klunker scene going on in Marin and when he saw his first MTB and what he thought? Did he meet any of the main protaganists while they were developing the MTB? Has he discussed this in any of the old RR issues? Maybe a good topic for a future issue or a Blug post? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Grant Petersen's views on mountain bike development?
I've changed my thoughts on handlebar height and toe clips...but I think I'm on more solid ground now. I see that MB-3 in the spread and ... it's begging for Bosco bars, and to be stripped of its toe clips! That was from 24 years ago, I think. I'll stand by the rest of it! G On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 7:21:23 AM UTC-8, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: Does anyone recall if Grant has discussed his views on the development of the mountain bike? He was in the Bay area at the time. He was an active cyclist at the time. He wrote a couple of books about places to ride in the Bay area. I'm curious if he was aware of the Klunker scene going on in Marin and when he saw his first MTB and what he thought? Did he meet any of the main protaganists while they were developing the MTB? Has he discussed this in any of the old RR issues? Maybe a good topic for a future issue or a Blug post? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Grant Petersen's views on mountain bike development?
Wow, thanks for that link! I see the Man, Ned Overend in that issue, riding a Paramountain. And there's a Paramountain review in the May/June issue http://cbklunkers.com/pdf/mayjune_1987.pdf (as well as a 3-page ad on the '87 MB-1). I have a Schwinn KOM-10, which is what they branded the Paramountain for '88 after Ned left for Specialized. A fantastic post-klunker MTB, like Grant's MB series. In fact, I have drops on mine like the '87 MB-1. On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 8:31:44 PM UTC-6, Wildcat96 wrote: http://cbklunkers.com/pdf/julyaug_1986.pdf Check out the ad and review for the 86 MB-1 on pages 27 and 35. The ad reads like something Grant could write and I believe this was the first bike Grant had some influence on. I have a 87 MB-2 and love the way it rides. I caught Grant on the phone one day and mentioned that I had an 87 MB-2. IIRC, he did say that the 86 MB-1 and 87 MB-1 (DirtDrops) and 87 MB-2 were the first bikes he had a hand in after arriving at Bridgestone. Maybe he'll chime in on this thread. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Grant Petersen's views on mountain bike development?
+1 on Joe B's post. Not sure I'd call it road ish... but, my '83 Fisher Montare had a long wheelbase and laid back angles - straight from the early Breeze/Ritchey designs. Which of course were based on the Schwinn Excelsior and the practice of getting reasonably sideways on steep, wide fire roads. If you find pre-GP Bridgestones, you'll find similar angles and measures. GP's designs when he went to work on the MB series tightened up the angles a bit and arguably nudged the design focus away from Klunkers. Others were working certainly working the same issues - that long slack bikes handled kind of - well, cruisery. But, yeah... I think GP got it right first. Of course, Chris Chance brought an east coast focus to his designs, Scott Nicol up at Ibis went at it a different way, finding that compact frames could give the handling he sought. Ritchey P series bikes were beautiful handling frames. Mountain Goats and others - ... some fine bikes to be had in the days of rigid forks. The intro of the Judy from Rock Shox seemed to be the point at which mtb designs pivoted away from the high end models being a rigid design. But I will say that if my '90 MB1 fails, I'm going to want something very, very similar to it. I tend to forget how well it handles. Then, when I'm zipping around the local trails, there's a point where I'm just grinning and shaking my head. Yeah. That bike just sings. - Jim / cyclofiend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen's views on mountain bike development?
This is precisely why I decided to refurbish my MB-1 a la Resurrectio http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2014/07/introducing-reno-rambler-resurrectio.html style. That bike is just too nice to not invest a little in keeping it on the road/dirt. It's not very easy to find a high quality early 90s rigid lugged steel mtn bike frame. I'm curious if anybody,( a bike magazine), wasn't so invested in selling advertising to actually write an article that really broke down the advancements in ideas that brought us the mountain bike as we know it today. I'm not thinking who invented it so much as those incremental advancements in the evolution. Cheers, Addison Wilhite, M.A. Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology http://www.washoeschools.net/aact *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”* Educator: Professional Portfolio http://addisonwilhite.blogspot.com/ Blogger: Reno Rambler http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/ Bicycle Advocate: Regional Transportation Commission, Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory Committee http://www.rtcwashoe.com/public-transportation-22-124.html On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on Joe B's post. Not sure I'd call it road ish... but, my '83 Fisher Montare had a long wheelbase and laid back angles - straight from the early Breeze/Ritchey designs. Which of course were based on the Schwinn Excelsior and the practice of getting reasonably sideways on steep, wide fire roads. If you find pre-GP Bridgestones, you'll find similar angles and measures. GP's designs when he went to work on the MB series tightened up the angles a bit and arguably nudged the design focus away from Klunkers. Others were working certainly working the same issues - that long slack bikes handled kind of - well, cruisery. But, yeah... I think GP got it right first. Of course, Chris Chance brought an east coast focus to his designs, Scott Nicol up at Ibis went at it a different way, finding that compact frames could give the handling he sought. Ritchey P series bikes were beautiful handling frames. Mountain Goats and others - ... some fine bikes to be had in the days of rigid forks. The intro of the Judy from Rock Shox seemed to be the point at which mtb designs pivoted away from the high end models being a rigid design. But I will say that if my '90 MB1 fails, I'm going to want something very, very similar to it. I tend to forget how well it handles. Then, when I'm zipping around the local trails, there's a point where I'm just grinning and shaking my head. Yeah. That bike just sings. - Jim / cyclofiend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen's views on mountain bike development?
And +1 on what Jim said. The reason I'm on this forum is my Bridgestone MB (# doesn't matter) from 1991 and how much it made me love riding and how great it still rides. It's still the best riding 26 inch wheel bike I know. (My Rivs are all 700C.) And the steepest hill I can climb can only be done on that Bridgestone. I can't do it on any of my Rivs or my Niner. -Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2015, at 4:06 PM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on Joe B's post. Not sure I'd call it road ish... but, my '83 Fisher Montare had a long wheelbase and laid back angles - straight from the early Breeze/Ritchey designs. Which of course were based on the Schwinn Excelsior and the practice of getting reasonably sideways on steep, wide fire roads. If you find pre-GP Bridgestones, you'll find similar angles and measures. GP's designs when he went to work on the MB series tightened up the angles a bit and arguably nudged the design focus away from Klunkers. Others were working certainly working the same issues - that long slack bikes handled kind of - well, cruisery. But, yeah... I think GP got it right first. Of course, Chris Chance brought an east coast focus to his designs, Scott Nicol up at Ibis went at it a different way, finding that compact frames could give the handling he sought. Ritchey P series bikes were beautiful handling frames. Mountain Goats and others - ... some fine bikes to be had in the days of rigid forks. The intro of the Judy from Rock Shox seemed to be the point at which mtb designs pivoted away from the high end models being a rigid design. But I will say that if my '90 MB1 fails, I'm going to want something very, very similar to it. I tend to forget how well it handles. Then, when I'm zipping around the local trails, there's a point where I'm just grinning and shaking my head. Yeah. That bike just sings. - Jim / cyclofiend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Grant Petersen's views on mountain bike development?
1991 Bridgestone catalog http://sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1991/pages/bridgestone-1991-04.htm http://sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1991/pages/bridgestone-1991-05.htm On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 9:21:23 AM UTC-6, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: Does anyone recall if Grant has discussed his views on the development of the mountain bike? He was in the Bay area at the time. He was an active cyclist at the time. He wrote a couple of books about places to ride in the Bay area. I'm curious if he was aware of the Klunker scene going on in Marin and when he saw his first MTB and what he thought? Did he meet any of the main protaganists while they were developing the MTB? Has he discussed this in any of the old RR issues? Maybe a good topic for a future issue or a Blug post? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Grant Petersen's views on mountain bike development?
Reader #11 has Frank Berto's Who Invented the Mountain Bike? article, which seems to be pretty well accepted by the pioneers. The article doesn't mention Grant but I assume it reflects his views since he published it. jim m wc ca On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 7:21:23 AM UTC-8, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: Does anyone recall if Grant has discussed his views on the development of the mountain bike? He was in the Bay area at the time. He was an active cyclist at the time. He wrote a couple of books about places to ride in the Bay area. I'm curious if he was aware of the Klunker scene going on in Marin and when he saw his first MTB and what he thought? Did he meet any of the main protaganists while they were developing the MTB? Has he discussed this in any of the old RR issues? Maybe a good topic for a future issue or a Blug post? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Grant Petersen's views on mountain bike development?
Grant was responsible for the late-80's/early-90's transition to more roadish geometry on the Bridgestone MB's, so I would say he had a particular interest in the subject. It was much lauded by the cycling mags at the time, and quickly copied by *everybody.* Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 11:34:31 AM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote: Reader #11 has Frank Berto's Who Invented the Mountain Bike? article, which seems to be pretty well accepted by the pioneers. The article doesn't mention Grant but I assume it reflects his views since he published it. jim m wc ca On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 7:21:23 AM UTC-8, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: Does anyone recall if Grant has discussed his views on the development of the mountain bike? He was in the Bay area at the time. He was an active cyclist at the time. He wrote a couple of books about places to ride in the Bay area. I'm curious if he was aware of the Klunker scene going on in Marin and when he saw his first MTB and what he thought? Did he meet any of the main protaganists while they were developing the MTB? Has he discussed this in any of the old RR issues? Maybe a good topic for a future issue or a Blug post? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
